I didn't realize iChat did Google Talk. Or, more likely, I had once been aware of it and decided it was unimportant, and thus forgot.
I presume it's not out of line to use this thread for test comments.
Expressions of disappointment that unfoggedbot is telling me that I am subscribed to "Dr Botly Bot", yet comments posted in this thread don't seem to be showing up in its gchat window.
To elucidate the meaning of the post, for people who might find it impenetrable.
I have yet to receive any updates on this thread via the bot.
This is most disturbing. I have gotten all the updates.
I note that you all have different resource ids than do I, though; that is, I am [email address]/talk, while otto is [email address]/gmail, and fedward is [email address]/something else entirely.
And then there's the seemingly-random string of hex digits after those.
& the bot reports attempting to send messages to those sns.
Yeah, your suggestion that we add "unfoggedbot@gmail.com/talk" rather than "unfoggedbot@gmail.com" surprised me. I added the latter, since that is how I am accustomed to adding contacts to the gmail chat client. I just tried adding the former, and it didn't seem to do anything.
I shall remain uninformed. Sigh.
Well, I signed in as the bot on google and it reports both you and fedward on its list.
Open thread?
I just rented a movie based entirely on Unfogged recommendations. I had never heard of this movie outside Unfogged, although it was made less than a decade ago. Will report back.
Paren, the bot is an IM thing that lets you subscribe to posts, and then (theoretically) sends you new comments.
Patience, Paren. I'm trying to do science and be a beta tester at the same time. I can only multitask so much.
17: I believe the idea is that it will send you Unfogged comments as instant messages, so that you don't have to reload the web pages.
the /talk thing on the URL seems to confuse iChat, but I could add the bot as a buddy without it.
Have you considered using Orbited, Neb?
21: And I'm reminding myself why it's a terrible idea to write software for other people to use. Nosflow should learn this lesson also.
I figured if I demonstrated a lack of patience, some nice man computer science person would come along and explain things to me. Thanks!
The stuff following the stroke doesn't appear to make any difference to pidgin's receiving it or not.
I added unfoggedbot@gmail.com/talk and it gave me an error message. I added unfoggedbot@gmail.com but now it just says the bot is offline. Am I doing right? I just entered the email address in the "chat" gizmo in the left hand sidebar on gmail.
OK, I changed a preference in iChat so it wouldn't try to use my local hostname (which is behind a NAT firewall). I've also verified now that I could chat with myself using another account and the Gmail web interface, but I don't know if that's what was tripping up the bot.
Gmail's interface doesn't seem to allow adding anything except an email address (sans "/talk"), and even then "sends an invitation" rather than just adding it.
I was able to send messages to otto from ruby's interactive interface using just the email address, no resource,
Now that the bot's back online, can it talk to me yet?
and changed the bot not to use the resource either,
which apparently works in pidgin but not gchat.
I do get the subscribe/unsubscribe responses back, but not actual messages from the thread.
I do get the subscribe/unsubscribe responses back, but not actual messages from the thread.
There was a reason this might have been the case which I have just now perhaps figured out how to circumvent.
What does one say to the bot to get it to start sending things?
OK, the google docs say I should set my location to "iChat." But they also say I wouldn't have been able to sign in, and I was clearly able to sign in and get some messages. Regardless I've made that my location.
One sends it a link to a comment thread. I believe a link to a post will also work, too.
Essear: would that we knew.
Everyone, can you resubscribe to this thread, if you were subscribed?
Yeah, links to a comment, a comment thread, or a post will subscribe you to that thread. Saying "subscribe posts" will tell it to alert you when there's a new post. Doing the same, when you're already subscribed, unsubscribes you.
It tells me I'm subscribed to this thread, but it is stubbornly silent.
So yeah, as I told nosflow, it's working for me now, but only through the pidgin client, and not through the standard gmail chat panel. Through that I get the same behavior as fedward (notifications of subscriptions/unsubscriptions, but no actual comments).
Can the unfoggedbot act like computerized telephone services, such that if we start using the word "fuck" a lot it will direct us to a human agent, viz., nosflow to abuse instead?
The subscription responses operate on a JID object, while the sns to which notifications are sent have been stored in a db and retrieved; I guess more needs to be serialized than just the name itself.
Though why in the world I would be able to get messages in that case, I have no idea.
If only there were some way you could notify us to change something on our end.
Yes, wouldn't that be swell? But I don't know what you might relevantly change.
I mean, my resource is "talk", which no one else's is. Why that would make a difference, though, is beyond my comprehension.
Maybe the bot has botulism. Heh heh.
The interactions of all these various clients, servers, and protocols continue to be a little confusing to me anyway, and this is what I do for a living. It only recently occurred to me that I could change Mail.app's inbox path prefix to [Gmail] for my gmail accounts and remove an unnecessary level of nesting.
Every year I teach artificial intelligence issues, and every year the students tell me "Computers can't think; they just do what you tell them to."
Your computer does what you tell it to do? Amazing. I've never seen one like that.
I probably don't get any messages within gchat, either...
nosflow, ooc are you running this from the machine hosting unfogged with access to the db, or are you scraping the site?
ooc?
It's currently running on the machine hosting unfogged, and until around 11 was running on my computer; the approach was the same in both cases, though. It doesn't access the DB, it parses the RSS files.
I'm getting nothin' on gchat except a notice that I subscribed to the thread.
I have invited the bot to chat, but the bot has not accepted my invitation.
Over in Pidgin-land, it says I am "not authorized" to chat with the bot.
The bot just became fucked up for no reason I can discern.
incidentally I flushed the subscriptions again.
Ha!
the gchat window can't handle HTML messages!
Fascinating thread, neb. Should I liveblog my debugging process as well?
It's not my fault I forgot that anyone actually uses google chat from within gmail.