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Thou shalt not covet because it is simply unnecessary. I will place such a heavy tax burden on those that have achieved the American Dream that, by the end of my term as President, nobody will have any wealth or material goods left for you to covet.

Oh, SNAP!!!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:16 PM
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We need someone who speaks Hebrew to weigh in on the anti-Christ article. 'cause you know, I might have to believe it unless it is debunked.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:21 PM
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It's about time we had some well-sourced articles around here.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:22 PM
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It's always the Old Testament with these losers, isn't it?

In other religion news, reading Eberhard Bethge's biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer is getting me down.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:25 PM
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Well, birtherism was at the end of that article.

Yglesias and DeLong each had post about polls and birthers, Yglesias broke down by party and DeLong broke down by region, both finding the numbers amazing. So I collated the results in my mind to decide that like 80% of Southern Republicans are birthers, and almost the entirety of the movement.

I guess the point is that I am so fucking tired of these people.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:29 PM
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That's some pretty weak stuff. Standard-issue anti-tax with only a trace of race-baiting.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:31 PM
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The ultimate goal of the thought police's minions in government, Hollywood, the media, academia and various homosexual and Moslem advocacy groups is not to restrict us to our own borders. It is to restrict us within them, and with every victory their iron burka descends ever lower over those who speak Truth

Iron Burka FTW.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:35 PM
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Of course, I didn't read the comments.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:42 PM
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just yikes. What a bunch of dumbasses.

Thanks for, urm, sharing.


Posted by: Paula Helm Murray | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 6:54 PM
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I am so fucking tired of these people.

I've been finding your strategy of ignoring them pretty satisfying, if not effective.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 7:27 PM
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It's effective at making me not turn homicidal and/or suicidal. So there's that.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 8:08 PM
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Thou shalt not kill, unless you have an unwanted, unborn baby. For it would be an abomination to punish your daughter with a baby.

I see their point here. Punishing your daughter with a baby is the American way, dammit!


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 8:40 PM
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11: Homicide is preferable, but mockery is better still.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 8:55 PM
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Honest to god, I think the Southerners=birthers thing is a damning indictment of public education in the southern states.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:00 PM
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It makes me wonder what the fuck kind of official state records they have down there in the South.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:11 PM
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Iron Burka FTW.

Coming this fall to HBO.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:31 PM
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It makes me wonder what the fuck kind of official state records they have down there in the South.

Birth certificates come on stone tablets signed by God.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:37 PM
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Southerners=birthers thing

I'd like to see a little more data first, if it's okay with y'all.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:37 PM
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Honest to god, I think the Southerners=birthers thing is a damning indictment of public education in the southern states.

I think this is a mistake. It's maybe true to some extent. But you can't expect schools to overcome systematic cultural bias. People who grow up among redneck dumbfucks aren't going to become enlightened, productive citizens just because they have a good civics teacher.

(I admit I may have a bit of defensiveness, having gone to public schools in a nominally southern state.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:38 PM
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18: Jesus Christ, apo, the man posted his birth certificate to Daily Kos! What more do you want?!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:45 PM
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20: Data = who's a birther and who's not.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 9:55 PM
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It's OK, Apo, you're not like most of those people.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:01 PM
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Yeah, they're going to Heaven.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:01 PM
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21: Joke=making a funny.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:04 PM
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24: Um, uh=Like what I was doing in my "correction". That's the ticket! Mine was a joke too ... she's not buying it? ...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:11 PM
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25: The meta-ness! It is destroying us all!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:13 PM
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I never meta-thread I didn't like.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:24 PM
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19: See, I'm saying that b/c I know and am fond of so many southerners. What I meant is that at the very least you'd think people would be learning what does and doesn't constitute evidence.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:29 PM
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DeLong's data is here, and it's pretty striking. I'd've expected more crazy in the west, but maybe it's the steadying influence of California.

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/07/republicans-the-party-for-people-who-are-insane-southern-republicans-by-contrast.html


Posted by: elemund | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:34 PM
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Well, there you have it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:41 PM
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So just last week my little brother was out here, and he happened to mention that both my parents love Glen Beck. Jesus Fucking Christ. I am now afraid to ask them where they think Obama was born, even more afraid to ask what religion they think he is.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 10:54 PM
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Sometimes with family, it's best not to know.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:00 PM
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Does the Antichrist really "have" a "religion" per se?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:03 PM
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33: Well, I suppose it would be Christianity, you know, for him or her to be into the whole "Christ" idea in the first place.

I sense a problem here.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:07 PM
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Beelzebub does have constituents, and your parents are among them.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:09 PM
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29:That's what I was trying to do at 5, just ballparking, if 45 percent of Republicans are birthers, and a lot of Northern Republican are sane, that would mean a very high percentage of Southern Republicans would ned to be birthers to create the average. And then if you poll "Southerners" you will include a lot Democrats, liberals minorities, etc who are not birthers...and so forth.

As far as education goes, I can only say that aggressive ideologues (and others) will tell things to pollsters and otherwise publicly profess beliefs for a lot of reasons, including tribal solidarity. There are things to deduce from statements, but a person's true belief (whatever that means) is rarely one of them.

I think that Southern conservatives partly profess belief in stuff like creationism and Obama's birth status in a direct desire to separate themselves from the rest of us. In a particular way.

Digby has focused on this, They want to dislike us, and have created an identity and purpose from that dislike. A lot follows from understanding that.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:12 PM
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Some people obviously can compartmentalize. Believe Obama is a Kenyan despite all evidence, or that the world is 8000 years old and then go run the nuclear plant.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:21 PM
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Southern Whites ...via CT, somebody else is trying to massage the numbers.

the proportion of white Southern voters with doubts about their president's citizenship may be higher than 70 percent.

Dig it. If 70 percent of white Southerners have those doubts, well at least 25% of Southern whites are Democrats, so how many Southern Republicans? Almost all of them?

It's a tribal/purity marker.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:29 PM
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I wonder if the Sunday Law. Pope is the Antichrist folks are feeling threatened by the Obama=AC movement. Is there no safe haven from the man's meglomania?

The title of the Pope in Rome is Vicarius Filii Dei [Latin for "Vicar of the Son of God"]. This is inscribed on his mitre; and if you take the letters of his title which represent Latin numerals (printed large) and add them together they come to 666.

V = 5, I = 1, C = 100, A = 0, R = 0, I = 1, U = 5, S = 0 total =112

F = 0, I = 1, L = 50, I = 1, I = 1 total=53

D = 500, E = 0, I = 1 total=501
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TOTAL 112 + 53 + 501 = 666


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-31-09 11:30 PM
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33, 34: The question is a bit more Jesuitical than I feel entirely comfortable with, but I have quoted this before when the subject of the Antichrist came up:

"Christ and Christ's adversary the devil are mutually exclusive opponents, but in such a way that even the devil, unwillingly, must serve Christ, and willing evil, must ever again do good, so that the kingdom of the devil is always only under the feet of Christ. ... The world is not divided between Christ and the devil; it is completely the world of Christ, whether it recognizes this or not."

(Bonhoeffer, Ethics)


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 7:45 AM
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If God was so angry with the Jews for not searching more diligently into the prophecies he had given them to know Christ by, why should we think he will excuse us for not searching the Prophecies which he hath given us to know the Antichrist by?
- --Newton
Sir Isaac Newton wrote his comment upon the Revelation to console mankind for the great superiority he had over them in other respects.

--Voltaire


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 8:14 AM
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Great dream this morning: I was part of the Jewish Resistance after the collapse of civillization. We were holed up in the house I grew up in, and my sister's cat had gone completely insane and kept leaping 20 feet at a time to attack my head and face. The forces of evil were almost upon us, and we knew they were going to eat us when we were captured. My companion suggested that the best thing to do was pull a Massada and ritually kill ourselves rather than face capture and eating. Just then, there was a knock on the back door. A gigantic train of crusty punx had just arrived to save us! One of the evil people came by to gloat, and the crusties trussed her up and threw her into the stewpot. For they were cannibals too, you see.

I blame SM Stirling.
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Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 11:06 AM
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Were you in Sitka?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 11:08 AM
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I dreamt that I brutally murdered a fat man for no reason, in cold blood.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 11:12 AM
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Cold Blood, Nevada?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 11:25 AM
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44: Okay, well, I'll have to stay clear of Irvine for awhile then.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 11:59 AM
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I don't live there anymore, minnie.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 12:34 PM
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42: "[R]itually"? I'm no scholar of pre-rabbinical Judaism, but were the Masada suicides conducted in a ritual manner?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 1-09 1:04 PM
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Reading the link in the original post, I got to wonder if any of the people arguing with each other were for real. Helen Louise reminded me of Chimt Illms. Not to say it was him under a different pseudonym; it could have been someone else adopting the same rhetorical pose.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 5:34 AM
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I'm no scholar of pre-rabbinical Judaism

That's what they all say.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 5:50 AM
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I've spoken to Chimt, and it definitely wasn't him/her.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 7:19 AM
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Chimt is more into defense than forays into enemy territory, you see.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 7:22 AM
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Chimt is more into defense

Repulsion, one might say.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 7:28 AM
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48: I'm pretty sure it wasn't ritual, just on old-school stabbing.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 7:29 AM
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Rereading 49, I meant to say "I got to wonder [sic] if any of the people arguing with each other weren't for real." I assume that they're mostly sincere with one or two spoofs or parodies in there mocking and encouraging the nutcases for their own amusement, not that they're all spoofs.

51-53: Sure, quite possibly someone else then, like I said.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 7:44 AM
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55: I can't speak for the veracity of Chimt's denial, but I can assure you that I didn't comment in that thread.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 8:10 AM
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56: For the third time, I believe it. All I ever said in the first place was that someone there "reminded me of" him.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 8:13 AM
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57: I'm mostly just goofing, but you did write "Sure, quite possibly someone else then, like I said."

To me at least, "quite possibly" means something along the lines of "maybe", and my mental response is "no, dammit, it's not quite possibly someone else, it is someone else, because Chimt didn't do it."


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:11 AM
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58: I hedge my bets in my phrasing. Is that so wrong?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:14 AM
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59: Quite possibly.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:16 AM
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Have you considered rearranging the letters in "Chimt Illms"?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:17 AM
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cat nosflow.61.txt > /dev/standpipe


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:19 AM
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61: I have indeed considered it. Seems impractical though.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:23 AM
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61: What, you think I should take his word for it?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:27 AM
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64: Quite repulsively possibly.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:32 AM
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That would be uncharacteristically trusting of me, especially given the topic. No offense to Chimt, but it's the kind of thing he might have lied to you about.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:34 AM
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NO WAY WOULD CHIMT ILLMS EVER LIE!


Posted by: MC ILL HITS | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 9:38 AM
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YOU WANT REPULSIVE?


Posted by: MILCH MILTS | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 11:07 AM
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68: Hey, find your own anagrams!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 11:34 AM
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69: But I have none! A bit of a shocking result at first blush, but only 2 vowels to 9 consonants and the "J" as a constraint.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 11:54 AM
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And in scary fast google-bot fashion that instance of "Milch Milts" is already #1 (of 5) google results. (Picked up from the front page not the thread).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 11:55 AM
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Heh: Gelt Pang.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 11:57 AM
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but only 2 vowels to 9 consonants and the "J" as a constraint.

So spell your name "Jay Pee Stormcrowe".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 12:06 PM
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My actual name anagrams to Ass Burners. Which, given the Mongolian death worm thread, is eerily appropriate. Apostropher scrambles to Rather Poops.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 12:21 PM
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My actual name anagrams to Ass Burners

Also "Bass Nurser".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 12:31 PM
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And come to think of it, I think "Asss Burner" is even better. You know, in homage to the sizzly "sssss" sound that burning stuff makes.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 12:36 PM
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"Cry us." How boring. The question of what my actual name anagrams to is fraught with meaning, but let's do it multiple choice: my first name plus preferred middle and preferred last anagrams to, among other things, "Cycle Queers Love Us." My first name plus just preferred last name anagrams to exactly three words: "Cuss queer levy."

Arlen Specter has possibly the best for a politician: "creep rentals."


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 12:50 PM
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Arlen Specter has possibly the best for a politician: "creep rentals."

Spiro "grow a penis" Agnew begs to differ.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 1:06 PM
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Ronald Wilson "Insane Anglo Warlord" Reagan


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 1:10 PM
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Wow. You're right, he wins.


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80 to 78, but I think it applies to 79 too. Apparently I have low standards for anagrams from politicians' names.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 1:12 PM
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Norm Coleman = Moral Con Men


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 1:46 PM
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George Herbert Walker Bush = Huge Berserk Rebel Warthog


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 1:53 PM
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Sarah Louise Palin = Sensual Oil Pariah


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 2:04 PM
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Joseph Lieberman = Menial Herpes Job
He might prefer
Joseph Lieberman = Joe Helps Nab Emir


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 2:06 PM
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73: So spell your name "Jay Pee Stormcrowe".

Sure now, go ahead and disrespect me Mum 'n' Dad and the name they give me.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 2:28 PM
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Charlottesville, Virginia = Hello, Cavalier virgin tits


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 3-09 10:12 PM
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