Since I'm currently doing some research on pornography, I've been testing out some of my theories by trying to keep up with some of the trends in new porn, and it's sort of a problem when about half of my conversations end up with me saying something like, "So I was watching this really interesting pornographic video last night..." Not cool!
Did he seem to think having dated a Suicide Girl was impressive?
How can there be new trends in porn? I would have thought Rule 43 precluded "trends".
4: The relative popularity of fetishes can change over time.
So spanking has bottomed out?
Art School Sluts
Was this by the producer of New Wave Hookers?
1: You know, "really interesting" isn't a phrase you generally hear with regard to porn. You hear a lot of things along the lines of "sexy" and "hott" and a lot of things along the lines of "disgusting" and "offensive." I generally hear "misogynist" and "feminist" with equal frequency.
But "interesting" porn, that sounds like a real find.
8:Agree.
Centipede Porn?
I could imagine porn becoming interesting with new classes of amateurs:Hollywood stars, Congresspersons, athletes but of course that would be interesting as a social phenomena but not in itself. And not interesting for very long, except to academics and social theorists.
I can think of nothing else in porn that would be interesting but not also very disturbing, like Japanese "cute"
7: I'm sure I don't know.
3: I didn't get that impression. He seemed like enough of a loser that one might fairly have been impressed, maybe?
Jane Espenson has said that the best jokes for a TV show are the ones that reveal something about the character, rather than relying on something you already know about the character. Not "Ha ha, the sidekick character is booze hound" but "Wait, Brittany and Santana are sleeping together!"
I would be interested in porn where the sex scenes have that kind of relationship to character development. Of course, character development itself is fairly rare in the genre.
I'd also like to see self referential porn that carries on a thoughtful metanarrative about porn itself.
But "interesting" porn, that sounds like a real find.
A wall of books opened, and I walked like a lamb into that bustling pleasure palace known as Flossie's. Red flocked wallpaper and a Victorian decor set the tone. Pale, nervous girls with black-rimmed glasses and blunt-cut hair lolled around on sofas, riffling Penguin Classics provocatively. A blonde with a big smile winked at me, nodded toward a room upstairs, and said, "Wallace Stevens, eh?" But it wasn't just intellectual experiences. They were peddling emotional ones, too. For fifty bucks, I learned, you could "relate without getting close." For a hundred, a girl would lend you her Bartok records, have dinner, and then let you watch while she had an anxiety attack. For one-fifty, you could listen to FM radio with twins. For three bills, you got the works: A thin Jewish brunette would pretend to pick you up at the Museum of Modern Art, let you read her master's, get you involved in a screaming quarrel at Elaine's over Freud's conception of women, and then fake a suicide of your choosing - the perfect evening, for some guys. Nice racket. Great town, New York.
I'd also like to see self referential porn that carries on a thoughtful metanarrative about porn itself.
I think, actually, that this would likely fail as porn, and that you would not like to see it all that much.
I'd also like to see self referential porn that carries on a thoughtful metanarrative about porn itself.
Boy, has the tone around here changed over the past four years.
Not on the subject of porn, but rather on the subject of concerts, I'm going to hear a toy piano recital tomorrow night.
Ryan North is all over this issue, at least for some values of "this issue."
Not on the subject of concerts, but rather on the subject of porn, I'm going to hear a toy penis recital tomorrow night.
13 "The Whore of Mensa"!
Porn, I reckon, need not be interesting or perhaps shouldn't be interesting. Porn is a hookup, not a date. It should be compelling, but only if that's a euphemism.
I mean, ok, I suppose it can be interesting if you watch it dispassionately, sociologically. But if you're comfortably watching it that way, it probably isn't good porn.
12: When you get into hoity-toity stuff like plots and characters, let alone clever self-referentiality, you're talking about Erotica. Porn is porn because it is workmanlike.
14: and that you would not like to see it all that much.
For instance, Inserts . (Not porn, but pretty unwatchable and you can extrapolate from it to rhc's proposal.)
For good "meta-porn" (but without any actual porn), I do recommend Inside Deep Throat narrated by the late, lamented Mr. Hopper.
Oh, I guess it probably wouldn't work. I was just imagining for a second that it could work.
Porn is porn because it is workmanlike.
Porn features plumbers, cable guys, waitresses, and construction workers. Erotica features vampires.
18 A reenactment of the France Gall video?
Art School Sluts
I really think I've either seen this or read an article about it. I don't particularly feel like googling it right now, though.
That was the Caitlin Flanagan article about the Slut School Arts.
Caitlin Flanagan was traumatized for life by walking by Megan's house on the wrong night.
I don't particularly feel like googling it right now, though.
Probably a good idea, because then you might end up at the iafd*, which links to reviews of the movie the contrast between which is so great as to be kind of hilarious.
*Very much not to be confused with the imdb.
My god, Violet Blue is beyond belief.
"The difference between erotica and pornography is lighting." Gloria Leonard
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pornography
29: Why?
Also, what went on with her and Boing Boing a ways back?
Suicide Girls interview with the director of Art School Sluts:
DRE: But is this movie for guys to jerk off to?
EM: That's the commerce of it but I see a lot of art in it as well. For VCA to back a project like this it needs to be in a certain digestible structure that they can sell. It has to have so many discreet sex scenes, a certain amount of anal and things like that. These are the hard and fast things that a porno company needs to get the money back out of it. Pornographers are like Indians in that the movie gets cut up into compilations then the stills from it are sold to the web. It's part of this bigger machine. The actual sales of each porno movie are very small. That's why I think Art School Sluts can be successful because there are definitely a few thousand people who want to see these kinds of girls.
DRE: Well if you had your druthers would you not put anal in the movie?
EM: I think people want to see anal. Katja Kassin really likes anal so with her we did anal. I'm not a big fan of DPs just because its two dudes' asses flopping around.
Pornographers are like Indians in that the movie gets cut up into compilations then the stills from it are sold to the web.
Huh?
I understand how the pornographers are making money, but I don't get how this makes them like Indians. I can't even figure out which Indians he is referring to.
I'm curious, and would like to read more, but really shouldn't, because I have to work and the kids are around.
33: possibly they're like American Indians in the "using every part of the buffalo" sense. I agree, it's a bit obscure.
"You can use every part of a pig except the squeal...and we're dubbing that onto the soundtrack!"
33: I think he means that they randomly break out into really big dance numbers with inexplicable smoke effects and shimmery silk curtains.
Actually a Bollywood musical inspired porn movie could be quite good. Or "interesting" at least.
29: Why?
Her review of the film in question.
33-36: I thought he meant Bollywood too, although I didn't get the actual "randomly break out into really big dance numbers" bit. I just saw "Indian" in the context of moviemaking and assumed he meant some common practice in or around Bollywood that I couldn't think of. I'm not sure 36 sounds right, but I wouldn't know.
From the context, I'm quite sure ajay is right.
I don't get why there are so few desis in porn, esp. sience they are the hottest and theres like a shitload of super por people there.
also thats like 'artisinal'' shit at whole foods. people should get paid enough doing usful shitty jobs they can do their 'art' as a zero income socially useful hobby
Wow. Is yoyo-style even better than tierce-style or Btock-style?
41: By zero income socially useful hobby you mean amateur porn, right?
though if you're expert at syntax, explicating "you're the [bee's knees's]/[bee sting] and so am i" on a blog could count too
41.1: The major centres of porn production in the Americas, Europe and Japan don't have large porn-friendly desi populations. I'm sure there must be desi-centric porn sites by now, though.
I'm sure there must be desi-centric porn sites by now, though.
Oh sure, lots of them. Just google "indian tgp".
Which is odd if you have seen circa .5 millenia ago india religous art
halfway through that i thought of equivalent catholic art, so postfail
52. It's an American usage, approx. = Brit. "Asian", but in point of fact more precise. Derived thusly.
Thanks. Very interesting - easier to use than "South Asian" or "subcontinent" or whatever, and avoids the ambiguity of "Asian" which a lot of people interpret as "East Asian". I was worried it might be vaguely derogatory but apparently not! Will start using.
You will increasingly find 'Desi khana' sections on restaurant menus (and restaurants of that name) in Britain. Colloquially, this translates as 'home cooked style' and IME is usually worth a try.
or 'desi chana' which i am not sure if its worth a try, having not opened the bag yet. tho as chana dal they are good, if a bit dusty tasting
the first link i saw for desi khana was for jain cooking, which if i remember right doesn't use alliums. which makes it pretty evil.