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He hates bagpipes, too. I say we kill him.


Posted by: Cecily | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:14 PM
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I think he might be kidding.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:17 PM
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As Tweety says, he's joking, heebie. Not that I'm one to defend Keillor, whose obnoxious faux folksyness makes me crazy.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:21 PM
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I think Sifu just might be right.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:21 PM
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Also, Tweety, where y'at?


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:21 PM
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Here I am!

(waves)

Yoo hoo!

(jumps up and down)

LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:24 PM
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Can it be a joke if it isn't funny, though? I'm not sure I buy it.


Posted by: woah | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:26 PM
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Amusingly, I was in the middle of writing a comment about totally failing to get Keillor's "wry" "satire" at a previous moment when I instead decided to give up on that project and completely fail to get 5.

All these people with their "jokes" and "references" and "less than entirely literal prose" crap. Super confusing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:26 PM
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Dan Savage memorably failed to get Keillor's distinctly un-funny brand of holding-up-a-wry-and-mournfully-affectionate-mirror-fail a few years back. Keillor responded, saying that he was kidding, but not answering for his painfully unfunny mien.

I pretty much think Keillor's being genuine about what he intends to do, and think he pretty much fails at it two hours a day on radio stations around the country, but it should be said that Dan Savage remains unconvinced.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:33 PM
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"two hours a day once a week", that is.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:33 PM
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7: guess what?

Chicken butt.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:33 PM
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I could be convinced that he's kidding, because I don't think this is exactly his shtick, but what exactly is the clue that he's kidding?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:35 PM
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They played APHC 4 times per weekend at my old NPR station. I hate that guy... Sounds like the cryptkeeper oughta.


Posted by: Turgid jacobian | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:36 PM
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12: you're supposed to know that Garrison Keillor is a good-hearted liberal guy who's only playin'. You're supposed to know that because you've listened to his show and read his columns and generally lapped up his obnoxious faux-folksiness (to coin a phrase) for thirty years. What, you don't listen to his terrible show?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:38 PM
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Everything on NPR is really dull. I just keep hitting buttons until I get Lady GaGa or 80's songs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:39 PM
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Oh. That card. Got me!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:39 PM
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to coin a phrase

At least you spelled it write.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:43 PM
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I thought Garrison Keillor was a good-hearted liberal guy who was also an uprightly moral religious Christian. Like Robert Fulghum.

Although technically Robert Fulghum is a Unitarian, he did write a popular play about delightful Christmas traditions.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:46 PM
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I don't get what the joke is supposed to be. All these people who who try to take the "Christ" out of "Christmas" are mockable? Is that it?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:46 PM
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All these people who who try to take the "Christ" out of "Christmas" are mockable? Is that it?

Unitarians are filthy hippies who should be punched and denied healthcare reform.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:49 PM
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I think the joke is that all these people who think these people who try to take the "Christ" out of "Christmas" are mockable are mockable. However, much like Garrison Keillor's political commentary, the fact that he has spent 25 years creating an image as both the most boring man alive and the most tradition-obsessed man alive makes it hard to see him as joking when he writes in the voice of a boring and tradition-obsessed person.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:50 PM
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12: The clue for me was the I thought pretty well-know fact that "Christmas" is basically the Christian co-opting of pre-existing winter solstice celebrations.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:51 PM
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19: (further to 22) The joke being that all these people bitching about the war on Christmas and Jesus is the Reason for the Season are woefully ignorant.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:54 PM
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I can imagine a vaguely similar column whose joke is "Silly Christians, all your cherished traditions are actually stolen from someone else!" I assumed that this was his intent.

Unfortunately, a) the column doesn't really get that across very well, and b) it's not all that funny a joke anyway. Oh well.


Posted by: micah | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:55 PM
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to coyne a fraze?


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 6:55 PM
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This post is a transparent ruse intended to lure back B and Emerson.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:01 PM
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25: See 3. Or don't. Whatever, man; it's all good.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:04 PM
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OT: Would anybody like to talk about how annoying Frank Rich's column was yesterday or Ross Douthat's was today? This just in: many of the people on the Times op-ed page are annoying!


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:07 PM
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And yet people still read their words.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:10 PM
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Garrison Keillor in his written voice can be pretty snotty, an angry guy. I tend to separate that voice from his Prairie Home Companion voice. There are two Keillors, and all that.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:29 PM
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Happy solstice, everyone!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:31 PM
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Not that I'm one to defend Keillor, whose obnoxious faux folksyness makes me crazy.

You know who makes me crazy? Sir Ian McKellen. Turns out, he's not actually a wizard.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:32 PM
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31: Happy solstice, Ponald Pagan.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:33 PM
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He was just pretending.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:34 PM
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Fuck that shit.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:34 PM
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21 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:35 PM
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32, 34, 35: Are you sure you don't have Ian McKellen confused with Michael Gambon? I'm pretty certain one of them was a real wizard.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:41 PM
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It must be nice to get it "exactly right". Someday.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:42 PM
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32:Not really a fascist either, although he has played one, well, if we count Magneto, more than 6 times.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:43 PM
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Does Bob Hoskins sound exactly like the Geico gecko in everyday life, or was "The Long Good Friday" an atypical depiction of his daily routine?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:44 PM
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I hate to tell you, ned, but the Geicko gecko is not really a lizard.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:55 PM
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You know, the solstice might be even more worth celebrating if it were someone's birthday as well.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:55 PM
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Going thru the credits, I count one more certain fascist, Hitler and Chauvelin from Pimpernel, who could count.

I note in 1970 McKellan played Edward II, Richard II, Keats, and Hamlet for British TV. This is the stuff my dreams are made of.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 7:56 PM
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS (McQueen, not of Nazareth)!


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:01 PM
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I was actually thinking of Hu Jintao. But now that you mention it, it is my birthday, isn't it?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:03 PM
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45: Does everyone in your family share birthdays with Asian heads of state?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:09 PM
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Happy b-day, Hey-zeus. Did you do anything fun?


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:10 PM
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38 - Naw. Then you come to emotionally need it and Teo dicks around with your feelings.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:15 PM
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Happy Birthday, McQueenie!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:21 PM
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44 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:21 PM
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OH GOD DOES THAT FEEL GOOD. YES! YES! OH YES!


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:23 PM
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Now I feel dirty.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:24 PM
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46: Not quite, but my dad shared a birthday with Gorbachev and my mom with Mao, so there's that.

47: I was served breakfast in bed by my daughters, which was pretty nice, and we went to kids' concert featuring highlights from Messiah. So yeah, I suppose I did.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:25 PM
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I just had dinner with Don Johnson's mother-in-law.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:28 PM
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Garrison Keillor is just bitter he can't celebrate Chalica like all the cool Unitarians. Its our very own cross between Festivus and Kwanza!


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:33 PM
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38 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:35 PM
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Eh, been there, done that.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:40 PM
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You know who makes me crazy? Sir Ian McKellen. Turns out, he's not actually a wizard.

God that's a great bit. Everyone, go watch Extras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sbtkQM6zc


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:43 PM
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44 - Unitarians don't believe that the reason for the season is Jesus!!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:45 PM
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well, if we count Magneto

This made me laugh.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 8:53 PM
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Are you sure you don't have Ian McKellen confused with Michael Gambon?

You mean Michael Followthrough?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 9:00 PM
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Happy birthday, Jesus!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 9:52 PM
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So apparently my mom has a student this year whose family didn't have enough money, in their estimation, for a decent Christmas this year, so they became Jehovah's Witnesses in mid-December.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 9:55 PM
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28: I laughed this morning when I read Douthat's column. It was like he thought, BAM! gotcha! with his last lines. Whereas I thought, sure, that sounds about right.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:06 PM
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we went to kids' concert featuring highlights from Messiah

Oh man I love it when they ditch all the stupid choruses and just have a countertenor doing the recitatives. Stupid kids got all the luck.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:07 PM
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Hey wow, my webpage from 16 years ago is still archived for some reason. Boy, that background was pretty obnoxious of me.

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:11 PM
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63 is awesome, in its own special sad way. You know what else is awesome? A yard display featuring Jesus killing Santa, that's what.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:12 PM
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66: B1FF? Is that you?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:18 PM
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My Lord. That looks like one of those nasty stereo images that were all the rage back in the day.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:23 PM
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48 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:27 PM
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... laydeez.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:28 PM
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Happy birthday, J. McQueen!


Posted by: Fake Accent | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:30 PM
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66: Good Lord! I would like some info about your web design services, though. Does that email address still work?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:51 PM
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I like some aspects of A Prairie Home Companion and I'm not afraid to admit it.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:56 PM
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74: It's the ketchup ads. Admit it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:57 PM
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Eh, I prefer the rhubarb pie ads.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 10:59 PM
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Thanks, everyone. But really, you have to love that yard display.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-21-09 11:02 PM
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Even better than the rhubarb pie ads are the Mournful Oatmeal ads, but they don't seem to do those much anymore.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 6:59 AM
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My MIL's love for APHC is yet another item on her indictment.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:18 AM
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You all think Kellior was kidding? I'd read that as sincere pique at secular/Unitarian Christmas celebrations and traditions. I'd figure he'd defend it as not actually anti-Semitic/Unitarian on the grounds that he wouldn't mind Jews getting snippy about Unitarians throwing a God-free seder, or Unitarians getting hostile about anything particularly Unitarian. But I'd take Kellior's hostility straight.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:27 AM
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66: You know, you've got a stray apostrophe in an 'it's' on that page. Might want to fix it before someone notices.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:28 AM
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Unitarians getting hostile about anything particularly Unitarian

Such as?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:29 AM
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81: I know the many typos by heart. It's not my fault, though; I only had nine years to correct them before I lost my ability to edit those pages.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:29 AM
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82: Yeah, it kind of breaks down there. I'm not sure what a Unitarian would get defensively hostile about.

To be clear, I think Kellior's being an ass about this -- I'm just surprised people thought he was kidding.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:30 AM
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(Also, I feel that I should admit that Buck is a huge PHC fan, and we in fact went to see it live only last month. Everyone's allowed to have quirks. The musical guests were surprisingly interesting -- a band called Punch Brothers.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:32 AM
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Topical.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:35 AM
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As well.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:37 AM
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So I finally read the entire column, and I can report that I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about at any point in the piece. Is he usually so incomprehensible? Does he write drunk? Has the dread specter of early-onset alzheimers reared its head?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:42 AM
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Dude did have a stroke recently. He seemed coherent on stage last month, but maybe he has good days and bad?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:43 AM
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It struck me as sort of kidding-on-the-square -- poking fun at the views he's expressing as Christian ones but ultimately affirming them.

Except the bit about "lousy holiday songs by Jewish guys that trash up the malls" seems too over-the-top for that interpretation, because it's either a genuine sentiment (in which case, ugh) or else really discredits the underlying viewpoint.

So I dunno.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:53 AM
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Yeah, recent mild stroke, but he's written like this since forever. I think the tone he's trying to go for is drier than dry, but it really doesn't work, I think in part because he's mixing in things that he's actually sincere about with the fake pretendy ones.

I think the "all those lousy holiday songs by Jewish guys that trash up the malls every year" is supposed to be the tell that he's joking, since obviously he knows that some of the best chistmas music was written by Jews. But unless your him or predisposed to read his intentions in, that's not really obvious.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:55 AM
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but it really doesn't work, I think in part because

...he has always been painfully unfunny.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 7:59 AM
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Another part of the problem is that when he is talking, his inflection is painfully gentle. When he is writing, he doesn't seem to realize that it won't be delivered in his own personal tone of voice, and so the content is probably more biting than he realizes.


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I did not see 92 when I said painfully. Painfully painfully painful.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:03 AM
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I did find his takedown of BHL pretty funny.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:07 AM
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British Hockey League? Baby Hawaiian Lunch?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:08 AM
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BLACKROCK DFND OP CR?

Biodiversity Heritage Library?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:20 AM
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his takedown of BHL


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:26 AM
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88: Again, I think Sifu might be right. The excerpt quoted in the OP read like straightforward satire. But in the context of the column as a whole? I have no ideea what he's on about.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:28 AM
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joking, since obviously he knows that some of the best chistmas music was written by Jews

I don't think that was meant as proof he was kidding. If you complaining about secular Christmas music, "written by Jews" is a coherent way of referring to it. Kind of awful, but coherent.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:35 AM
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Keillor is the Axl Rose of potluck dinners: focused, yet diffuse.


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98: Wow, that's great, and a much better and pithier version of the Klosterman essay from TAL, where he muses on German misperceptions of America and how easy it is to come up with a false insta-ethnography based on any given traveller's Oberservations and Insights.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:38 AM
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Keillor is the Axl Rose of potluck dinners

See, this is just wrong. You've totally misunderstood both his intent and his execution. He's obviously the Angus Young of potluck dinners. Sheesh.


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100: Right, but I think he thinks we're supposed to infer from his show, where he sings the secular Christmas stuff every year, that he thinks it's pretty great.


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28: I dunno, Douthat's column just struck me as kind of hilarious. It's so much more harmless and less hateful than the other stuff I've seen from him.

I mean, seriously, this:

The question is whether Nature actually deserves a religious response.

I'm cracking up.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:43 AM
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I also read Keillor as being an ass, LB. Between that, the column Dan Savage objected to, and the yucky way he wrote about women in the one book of his I read (and the fact that I never listen to the radio at all), I'm done with Keillor.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:43 AM
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It wouldn't surprise me if we were also supposed to infer that he finds "Silent Night" kind of dire, and Cambridge a perfectly pleasant city to visit.


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He's obviously the Angus Young of potluck dinners. Sheesh.

Says the Dahlia Lithwick of gene-sequencing. As if.


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the Dahlia Lithwick of gene-sequencing

How could I not have seen this before?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:45 AM
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It's obvious once someone points it out.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:46 AM
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It's your outsider's eye, SBP.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:47 AM
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I also don't get what's particularly annoying about Douthat's column.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:48 AM
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Standpipe-Bernard Plévy?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:48 AM
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I prefer to think of myself as the Bernard-Henri Lévy of appliance repair.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:53 AM
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Small appliance repair. That poseur Claude Levi-Strauss has captured the refrigerator market.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 8:55 AM
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The BHL review really is brilliant; I would note that it's not - even a little - in his APHC voice. It's a clever, but straightforward, piece of writing by a smart person.


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I'm too, too fascinated by Douthat's photo, in which his skin has been buffed to babylike smoothness.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:09 AM
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I don't enjoy listening to Keillor at all, but I have to admit that I was moved by his print obituary for JFK Jr. I remember it as being overtly emotional, but also sufficiently earnest that I simply liked it. At the time it was a surprise because I didn't think I had any feelings at all about JFK Jr. other than a general sadness and pity.


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No buffing involved; the man just moisturizes religiously.


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No buffing involved; the man just moisturizes religiously.

What an odd extended metaphor for masturbation.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:14 AM
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Make of his sheen what you will.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:15 AM
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PHC is one of my semi-guilty pleasures. I love the guys' voice, and at its best "News from Lake Wobegon" is a rather spectacular high-wire act, with perfect emotional pitch and narrative tension within a familiar form. It's not often at its best these days; it seems that doing the same shtick for decades has lulled Keillor into a pit of self-referentiality whence little light can escape.


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pit of self-referentiality whence little light can escape

Totes mouseover.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:22 AM
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Woulda been megatotes if I'd quoted the leading "a".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:22 AM
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I agree with 21 as well. Playing the character of a boring and tradition-obsessed person is fine - after all, that's Stephen Colbert - but doing it for 25 years primarily on NPR approaches criminal stupidity. At best, the performance itself becomes boring. At best.

I did like the takedown of BHL, though.


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I'm too, too fascinated by Douthat's photo, in which his skin has been buffed to babylike smoothness.

I have a friend who has recently become a nearly obsessive amateur photographer and he does lots of portraits of friends, colleagues, random people on the street. And then he tweaks everything on the computer to soften fine lines, etc. And then he shows me the before and afters -- though, when he shares them with the subjects, he doesn't tell them they got retouched. It's really amazing how much difference a few quick tweaks can make.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:25 AM
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Playing the character of a boring and tradition-obsessed person is fine - after all, that's Stephen Colbert

Not hardly.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:25 AM
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Is it Nosflow, then?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:26 AM
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It's really amazing how much difference a few quick tweaks can make.

Yep. I've mentioned our pro-photographer family friend before. I have no idea what he does, but generally pictures of myself make me want to hide my head and weep. Pictures from this guy, OTOH, don't seem fraudulently flattering, but they look like what I think I look like, rather than like what other mean cruel cameras think I look like.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:32 AM
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If you skip over the movie tie-in and start reading at "As usual, Alexis de Tocqueville saw it coming", Douthat's column reads like a thoughtful meditation on modern religion.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:36 AM
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Come to think of it, I've heard various Unitarians sing Silent Night probably about 100 times, and I don't once recall anyone changing the words.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:42 AM
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66 is making me laugh and laugh. Tweety, my teenage self thanks you, and feels startlingly fashionable in comparison.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:44 AM
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I've never once heard of Unitarians anal-probing anyone, not without their consent. He just made that up.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:44 AM
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I'm too, too fascinated by Douthat's photo, in which his skin has been buffed to babylike chubby Reese Witherspoon-esque smoothness.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:48 AM
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133: Are you kidding? Forced anal-probing is a key element of any Unitarian service; it comes between the Chalice Lighting, and the Sharing of Joys and Concerns.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:54 AM
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Regarding his photo, I long for a cinematic release in which Douthat is played by Ricky Gervais. Or vice versa. Or both.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:56 AM
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I like how "joy" is an option post-probe, as well as "concern".


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:58 AM
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135: "Rise up, O flame," iykwim.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 9:59 AM
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Also.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 10:01 AM
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British Hockey League? Baby Hawaiian Lunch?

Barack Hussein L'Obama


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 10:14 AM
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Keillor is the Axl Rose of potluck dinners

Was it here that someone posted an anecdote about attending a big family Thanksgiving dinner, and one of their cousins brought her boyfriend, who was Axl Rose?


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 11:09 AM
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Says the Dahlia Lithwick of gene-sequencing.

Really he's more the Gene Simmons of dahlia licking.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 11:33 AM
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LOVE IS THE SPIRIT OF THIS CHURCH
THE QUEST FOR TRUTH IS ITS SACRAMENT
AND SERVICE IS ITS PRAYER.

TO DWELL TOGETHER IN PEACE
TO SEEK KNOWLEDGE IN FREEDOM
TO SERVE HUMANITY IN FELLOWSHIP
THAT ALL MAY GROW IN HARMONY WITH THE GOOD.

THUS DO WE COVENANT WITH ONE ANOTHER.


Posted by: OPINIONATED UNITARIAN | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 12:32 PM
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I think we're at the emotional peak of the movie. All the secrets are out, everyone is realizing who they actually love, and everyone is roundly miserable.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 12:38 PM
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Whoops, wrong thread.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 12:38 PM
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OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU.


Posted by: OPINIONATED OTHER UNITARIAN | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 12:39 PM
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and everyone is roundly miserable

What love is all about...

['Emerson ran with this schtick better.']


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 12:48 PM
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"Rise up, O flame," iykwim.

This reminds me of my favorite Unitarian joke:

Did you hear about the Unitarian wing of the KKK? They burn question marks in people's front yards.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 1:04 PM
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The version I heard was how do you run a Unitarian family out of the neighborhood? Burn a question mark on their lawn.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 1:18 PM
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OKAY, ALL THAT IS NEGOTIABLE, BUT IF YOU START QUESTIONING THE INHERENT WORTH AND DIGNITY OF EVERY HUMAN BEING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WORDS.


Posted by: OPINIONATED FIRST UNITARIAN | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:21 PM
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How do Unitarians start their prayers? "To whom it may concern..."


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:31 PM
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Did you hear the one about the wishy-washy Unitarian?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:32 PM
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What did the Unitarian say to the hot dog vendor?

A: "I'd like a hot dog, please."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:34 PM
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The one about the Unitarian funeral is too old even for me.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:40 PM
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Orthodoxy is normal to the Unitarian.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:43 PM
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I believe the unitarian church recognizes both ortho and hetero doxies.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:44 PM
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Not to mention para.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:47 PM
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I don't think you all appreciate the full genius of my pun.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:49 PM
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Are those like transsexuals?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:49 PM
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Arians are scalars.


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OK, maybe you do.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:50 PM
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Actually, I don't think I do.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:53 PM
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I think you might.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:53 PM
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Try subbing "tangent" for "normal" and see what you get.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:55 PM
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I'll me over here, admiring myself.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:56 PM
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I'll me? ME? I think someone mistyped.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:57 PM
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Actually, I don't think I do.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 3:58 PM
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Oh, I guess I do. I was hesitant only because I wasn't sure if there was more to it.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:01 PM
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166: Yeah, 'me' s/b 'Standpipeself'.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:02 PM
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Or maybe 'myself'. Whatevs.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:02 PM
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"I'll myself over here, admiring myself"?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:03 PM
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I don't think you appreciate the full genius of my substitution.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:04 PM
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I was hesitant only because I wasn't sure if there was more to it.

The "Is it in?" of the hyper-educated.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:05 PM
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I'm taking this thing all the way to 174.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:06 PM
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Myself'll me over here, adstanding pipeself.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:06 PM
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174 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:06 PM
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No sleep till 174!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:06 PM
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Stand'll pipe'll over me, ing my meself.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:07 PM
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I liked 155, though I'm not sure "Orthodoxy" and "Unitarian" works better than a wide class of other possible "X is normal to Y" jokes.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:08 PM
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The "Is it in?" of the hyper-educated.

I don't think you appreciate the full genius of my erection.

179: It does have the advantage that "Unitarian" can be decomposed into the vectorlike "unit"+"arian".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:09 PM
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And then there's the synergy of "ortho" and "normal"!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:10 PM
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Take it to Standpipe's blog.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:11 PM
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It is my honor here.
Currently, praise him.
I stand completely thanks to the talent.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:11 PM
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I'm not sure "Orthodoxy" and "Unitarian" works better than a wide class of other possible "X is normal to Y" jokes.

It does, for two reasons. First, the relation between "ortho" and "normal" does not obtain for a wide class of other possible X. Second, there are not many heresies to which you can prefix "unit" and get another Christian denomination, while at the same time suggesting a geometric figure to which things are often found normal (or tangent).


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:12 PM
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That's what I get for pausing to appreciate Neb's erection.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:13 PM
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This is one of two reasons. In many cases, at the same time, the second "link" and "normal" heresies, 1 major one or two X - In other cases, the line, Purefikkusuoruto first class, "Christian Single 1,111,111,111,122 (or ) after the bill is人我people "are allowed to gain the trust of the general geometric tangent.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:14 PM
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Ha, there was something more to it! I had forgotten about Arianism.

I told you I didn't appreciate the full genius of your pun!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:15 PM
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People must not be allowed to gain the trust of the general geometrical tangent!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:15 PM
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It really is genius.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:16 PM
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I feel like this entire thread had only touched the original post at a single point.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:16 PM
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I told you I didn't appreciate the full genius of your pun!

That's very gratifying. I'll be over here, gratifying myself.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:17 PM
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...until Standpipe's joke.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:17 PM
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Differently-believing is a rubric under which to find dimensionless wrong confessions.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:24 PM
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184 helps a great deal, but doesn't it belong on your other blog?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:26 PM
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193 to 194.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:27 PM
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Let's go normalize some Arians!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:29 PM
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Your tannins are so supple, essear. Like cheese.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:31 PM
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As long as it's here it strikes me as somewhat insensitive to discuss where it belongs.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 4:32 PM
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193 s/b "Dimensionless wrong confessions believe differently."


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198 to 185.


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133: What is your story? Unitarian service between Raidakarisu problem is to provide a lighting element is to share the joy of the importance of the anal probe.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 5:03 PM
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(Also, it is a big fan of the back of the Primary Health Care, I was actually last month, all habits, they are watching live. This is a great interesting music - Bandopanchiburazazu In addition, recognition Today, I feel the need.)


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 5:04 PM
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Enough with the translation party!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 5:06 PM
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Translation stop!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 5:07 PM
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I've been neglecting my role here lately.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 6:02 PM
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My Mom has an old friend who is a very active Unitarian. She is married to a now retired UU minister. You can not talk to him without hearing a comment about how every single important historical event in Western history featured Unitarians prominently. It's annoying unless you laugh at it.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 6:21 PM
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Get An Amazing FREE 7-Day Private Lessons That Will Reveal You The Genuine Wizardry Power


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-22-09 6:31 PM
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Nothing worse than a holier-than-thou Unitarian....


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53:

"but my dad shared a birthday with Gorbachev and my mom with Mao"

Though consistent with his ideology, it's still surprisingly progressive of Mao to go in for polyandry.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 12-23-09 5:44 AM
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I think Keillor is trying to be sort of wry but not actually kidding. His relationship with religion is strange and ambiguous. While his act is full of references to Lutheranism, he was actually raised Plymouth Brethren, a fundamentalist sect, and later became a Lutheran and then an Episcopalian. He often talks about his doubts concerning God, but for all his church-switching, he also seems to regard religion as a crucial tribal marker and aesthetically dislikes the idea of stuff from different religions mixing. On multiple occasions he's stated that he thinks it's a bad idea for atheists to marry Christians, and he seems to genuinely dislike self-identified atheists, even though some atheists would probably say that Keillor is one at least part of the time.


Posted by: Matt McIrvin | Link to this comment | 12-23-09 10:06 AM
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