Re: The Lurkers Support Me In Cocktails

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Alas, my vaguely salacious plan involves being at a conference out of town until late on the 21st!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 12:57 PM
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I am possibly around! And a couple blocks away.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:00 PM
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I don't think it can be a salacious plan the way you wrote it. Maybe you meant "at a conference" "out of town" until "late" on the 21st?

You're welcome. Happy to help.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:01 PM
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2: Goddamn it, oud! :-(
I demand a special meetup!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:17 PM
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I demand a special meetup!

This one wasn't enough?


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:20 PM
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We never did that!! I'm sitting here dissertating with all my clothes on and no webcam!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:27 PM
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In 6 short comments, you've destroyed both alameida's dreams and KR's. When will it ever be enough for you?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:32 PM
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and no webcam

That ASCII art isn't going to create itself, AWB. Let's get cracking already.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:36 PM
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When a friend of mine introduced me to the Web, lo these many years ago, the very first thing he showed me was an ASCII art nude chick. But I think ASCII art will never again reach the heights of textmode quake.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:42 PM
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6: But we really wanted to see your books!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:47 PM
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your s/b ur


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:47 PM
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essear has needs.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:51 PM
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All I see is books. I would take pics but it is too depressing that this is my life.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:56 PM
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I have a great idea for a trendy webcomic. "Admiral Ackbar and Jeff Davis".

It's a trap!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 1:56 PM
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My wife has "It's a frap" as the background image on her computer.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 2:06 PM
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I bet "Admiral Ackbar and Jeff Foxworthy" would be pretty excruciating to watch.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 2:13 PM
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so, oudemia and i are meeting, that seems good. chime in, motherclownfuckers in NYC. sorry we'll be missing AWB, though.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:04 PM
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Has there been a black and white house update?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:07 PM
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18: Yes, will, Obama won.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:10 PM
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17: If it's just me and alameida, it will have to be conducted in anapests or something.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:12 PM
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When a friend of mine introduced me to the Web, lo these many years ago, the very first thing he showed me was an ASCII art nude chick.

Lemme guess... Meriday in the Morning?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:14 PM
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But it is also true that I may well be in NJ or OH, so I will have to figure out my schedule.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:15 PM
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I'm around and can hie myself to 90th and Park or wherever, postponing my salacious plans until later in the evening. Saturday would be better than Sunday, I'd say.

"Oudemia and alameida" is iambic.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:18 PM
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23.2 -- "Alameida/Oudemia Meetup."


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:22 PM
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I generally have a hard time getting out on weekends, but if a venue gets picked, I'll try to pry myself from the bosom of my family.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:23 PM
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25: I'll try to pry myself from the bosom of my family

In Soviet Russia, family pries itself from bosom of you!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 3:35 PM
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We never have Bay Area meetups, unless you count me having breakfast with Josh or lunch with Otto or drinks with Ben. But all one-on-one hangouts, not a party. They're never in the same room at once. I am convinced that they are all the same person.I ALMOST met Ogged, but then he totally bailed. I am convinced that he is not a real person, and merely Wolfson trolling.

I wish I was going to NYC! I really enjoyed hanging out with AWB and Bave. Have fun, alameida! Eat a pierogi for me! I had never had one before. Why did I heretofore lead such an impoverished life? And where can you get pierogies in the Bay Area?


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 5:41 PM
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What ever happened to the sanctity of off-blog communication? Everybody here is wonderful, but the truth is that increasingly frequent references to private meetups and private email conversations is off-putting.

Belle-Lettre, I'm not harping on you in particular, not at all, but this trend is becoming really weird, and people are dropping out as this place seems to become more and more of a private club. If that's what it becomes, that's fine, of course. I would, myself, ask for a bit more of a return to that ol' sanctity of off-blog communication thing.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:08 PM
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The mere fact that you communicated with someone does not constitute a violation of the sanctity of off-blog communication.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:21 PM
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Also, are not meetups as old as the bloggy hills?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:22 PM
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The mere fact that you communicated with someone

Mentioning that fact, even, to forestall little-bitchery!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:23 PM
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Some people are just understandably sensitive about that time the Apostropher went to Baltimore. VERY sensitive.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:25 PM
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Redfox wants to forestall criticism of her frequent meet-ups with Snarkout. Why wasn't the whole blog invited, we ask?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:25 PM
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I'm not sure that's legal in Ohio, Megan.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:28 PM
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28: Ooops, sorry parsimon. I didn't think about that. Certainly, that would add to the in-groupism sense of the blog. I certainly haven't been participating long (nor as deeply recently, due to work) and I wouldn't consider myself a part of the the "private club." I recall reading some threads from years back, in which commenters (even/esp. Ogged!) would refer to private emails and hangouts, and so I guess I thought it's all fair game. I seem to miss all of the threads on Unfogged etiquette. Apologies if I step on toes! I've always felt welcome here, but goodness knows I don't want to contribute to in-groupism.

I was looking up the rock climbing thread from a couple years back, since I just went rock climbing yesterday. I read in the comments the origin of || and |> to denote an off-topic comment. I had just been copying that because I figured it was some stylistic thing, and only yesterday found out that it had to do with pause and play and a pic B sent Ogged of PK. I swear, I miss everything.


Posted by: Belle Lettre | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:32 PM
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35: As I said, not talking to you specifically. Yeah, there's a history here of referring to private exchanges -- ogged and B had a joking thing about it. I will say that ogged protected the very fact of private communication carefully. But he doesn't set the terms of exchange here any more, being gone (PBUH), so that's not really relevant. It is, yes, just really about in-groupism and the effect it has. It's up to the blog at large.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:39 PM
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Somewhat geographically on-topic, I note that Roy Edroso is moving from New York to a "small town in Texas". I like this comment of his, And that it's the only place in the country that gives New York serious competition for the most self-regarding jurisdiction on earth ... , which I can appreciate.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 6:41 PM
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The mere fact that you communicated with someone does not constitute a violation of the sanctity of off-blog communication

IIRC the Bush administration relied on a similar theory to legally justify certain interceptions of telecommunications metadata.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:01 PM
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I'm around this weekend, but have out-of-town guests to monitor. So please keep me in the proverbial loop, but I make no guarrantees.

...this all assumes I make it back to NYC, as my train has been sitting stationary on the tracks outside of Metropark for the past hour now.


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:12 PM
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OT: Anyone know what the origin of "have it in spades" is? The question at the moment is whether it has any connection to the racist use of spade.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:13 PM
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39: I love that half of the ads at Metropark are for Pakistani cricketers and Bollywood stars.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:15 PM
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40: Your friends have clearly never played Bridge.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:19 PM
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OT: Anyone know what the origin of "have it in spades" is? The question at the moment is whether it has any connection to the racist use of spade.

According to the OED, it's because spades is the highest suit in bridge. So: not racist.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:22 PM
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More to 40: oudemia (or other students of Greek), does this sound right to you?

To call a spade a spade, which means, ironically for this discussion, 'to speak plainly and bluntly; to speak without euphemisms', is first found in Ancient Greece. The exact origin is uncertain; the playwright Menander, in a fragment, said "I call a fig a fig, a spade a spade," but Lucian attributes the phrase to Aristophanes. Later, Plutarch notes that "The Macedonians are a rude and clownish people who call a spade a spade." (It is worth noting that the Greek word translated as "spade" seems actually to mean something like "bowl" or "trough"; the "spade" may be based on a Renaissance mistranslation. In this case the original expression was "to call a bowl a bowl," and thus the "spade" expression is "only" 500, rather than 2,500, years old.)

Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:23 PM
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Trumped!


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:24 PM
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43: That's what Random House says, but I trust the OED much more. Thanks.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:24 PM
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44: That doesn't set off any "no way!" alarms and seems consistent with how folks talk in new comedy. I'd have to dig up line numbers to be sure.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 7:29 PM
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I could stop by this weekend. I haven't met any of you before, though, and I bet I can't just head toward the geeky group like most blog meet-ups.


Posted by: Shamhat | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 8:04 PM
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48: The canonical means of mutual recognition is to ask "Who wants to sex Motumbo?"


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 8:17 PM
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s/b Mutombo


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 8:17 PM
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What ever happened to the sanctity of off-blog communication? Everybody here is wonderful, but the truth is that increasingly frequent references to private meetups and private email conversations is off-putting.

Really? I find it comforting.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 8:27 PM
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I can probably make it.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 8:41 PM
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We never have Bay Area meetups, unless you count me having breakfast with Josh or lunch with Otto or drinks with Ben.

Which makes me realize that I haven't seen comments from Otto in quite a while. I hope this is a good thing.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 8:44 PM
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Anyone know any good bars on the UES or somewhere else accessible?


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 9:00 PM
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53: He is plotting to lure France into a foolhardy, premature declaration of war, at which point he will unleash a devastating attack with innovative rail-mobilized infantry tactics. And maple syrup.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 9:00 PM
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Also, are not meetups as old as the bloggy hills?

Yet older.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 9:03 PM
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54: Or just anywhere maybe 6 train adjacent? I mean, one of my very favorite bars is on the UES, but it is 1. tiny and 2. expensive, but bigger places tend to be frattier. I will think on't.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 9:10 PM
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Special interborough travel advisory for this weekend. No C, the A is skipping Fulton/Broadway-Nassau, no 4 in Brooklyn or downtown M'hattan, and I think the 5 doesn't operate in Brooklyn on weekends at all. This means Brooklyn - UES travel will be somewhat of a pain. Inflicting this on visitors seems a bit cruel, so definitely Manhattan.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 9:26 PM
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The Subway Inn is technically UES and definitely not expensive (nor is it particularly hygienic, of course, but you get what you pay for).

I think 6-adjacent but non-UES is probably the best option.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 9:28 PM
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Someplace in the Union Square area? Very easy to get to from the UES and the BQNR all go there from Brooklyn.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 9:40 PM
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People have been fleeing this blog for a long time. I doubt mentions of meetings has much do with it, given that such mentions were part of the busier days.

Anyway, I fully expect there to not be a meetup in the Bay Area this summer while I'm there. (I've said this before and will probably say it again.)


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-15-10 10:27 PM
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Old commenters leave, new commenters show up, same as it ever was. I really don't think there's been any increase in the rate of defection; if anything the opposite, in that there seem to be more regular commenters now than back in the day, or at the very least not less.

And I definitely don't think commenters mentioning that they've seen each other in real life (on a thread devoted to a meet-up, no less) has anything to do with it, nor has it ever been deprecated here. As rfts said, sanctity of off-blog communication is about the contents of that communication, not the fact that it happens.

Shorter: I don't think Belle has violated any Unfogged rules of etiquette.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 7:41 AM
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40: I'm sure it's cards, but I have a vague belief that it's not bridge, but some game I don't play with a complicated scoring system. I want the full phrase to be 'in cards and spades', where each of 'cards' and 'spades' means something for the final score. But googling suggests that I have the phrase slightly wrong -- there are only five hits, and only one is someone using it the way I want to.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 7:52 AM
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Be the folk etymology you want to be in the world, LB.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:17 AM
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Here's my phrase -- the card game is casino. But on looking at the definition, I think I was wrong and 'in spades' as an intensifier is bridge.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:23 AM
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Keep trying, LB. I'm sure you'll hone in on the correct etymology sooner or later.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:24 AM
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As rfts said, sanctity of off-blog communication is about the contents of that communication, not the fact that it happens.

Nobody likes an argument from etymology, so I won't make one, but in its original usage it referred precisely to the fact that it happens. The idea was to maintain the polite fiction that we were all one, big, happy clique conducting our business in public on the blog, rather than an umbrella group of sub-cliques conducting a material portion of our business in private.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:35 AM
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Nobody likes an argument from etymology, but everybody likes etymology.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:35 AM
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67: That's not what you told me in e-mail.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:36 AM
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66: I am enraged to the point of speechlessness. Luckily, I can still type.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:37 AM
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70: And take dictation.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:38 AM
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67: The concern is a valid one. OTOH, I remember worrying about it, and commenting about my worries, three years ago or so.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:38 AM
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But more seriously, I've been around since it started being brought up as a rule here, and that's never how I understood it. Not that that means anything other than being a data point.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:38 AM
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44: a little late, but yes, the phrase is "τὰ σῦκα σῦκα, τὴν σκάφην σκάφην λέγει", and the quoted description gets it right (including the point that the word doesn't actually mean "spade"). Lucian also has Herakles saying "άγροικός ειμι, την σκάφην σκάφην λέγων" ("I'm a simple man, I call a bowl a bowl"). Don't know if there's any basis for connecting it to the English expression.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:42 AM
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Let's all just agree to start using "to call a mole a mole" instead.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:43 AM
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67, 72, 73: Actually, I think M/tch is right about the phrase, "the sanctity of off-blog communication" -- that it really was Ogged being controlling about not wanting people to quote him from emails on the blog, while not worrying about concealing the fact that emails were happening. But I think SB is right about the longstanding concern that online communities get stagnant and unwelcoming when they turn into a place where people talk more than occasionally about their RL interactions, rather than places where the action is online.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:44 AM
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On the somewhat obvious point that "calling a spade a spade" was not originally a racist expression (which is a different question from whether it can cause offence nowadays), I always heard it as "Call a spade a spade and not a bloody shovel".

I've heard many unsubtle dog whistles from racists in my time, but 'bloody shovel', not.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:48 AM
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I am enspeeched to the point of ragelessness, but I agree with 76. This place is at odds with my IRL persona so I have frequent worries about the three Unfoggedtarians who are my facebook "friends".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:49 AM
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But I think SB is right about the longstanding concern that online communities get stagnant and unwelcoming when they turn into a place where people talk more than occasionally about their RL interactions, rather than places where the action is online.

I'll go along with that, but I don't think anything on this thread is excessive in the RL interactions department.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:53 AM
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This place is at odds with my IRL persona

You've said that before, and I've been curious about what would surprise your RL friends. In RL you're a heavily tattooed bouncer at a biker bar?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:55 AM
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He's prolix.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:57 AM
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And maybe I'm just thick, but I haven't noticed any recent significant uptick in references to off-blog interactions, nor any increase in the dropout rate.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:58 AM
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In real life he's completely scrutable.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:58 AM
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I am enspeeched to the point of ragelessness

A feather in your cap, Ned.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 8:59 AM
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To repeat, however, something M/tch says above: This is a *post* about meeting up IRL! Surely it cannot be untoward or contrary to the spirit of Unfogged to discuss the topic of the OP? Oh wait . . .


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:02 AM
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Whatever happened to the sanctity of only insulting other commenters, never praising them?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:02 AM
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82: Recent, I'm not sure, but there are certainly oldtimers who haven't been around in the last year or two. I miss SCMT, Cala, Emerson, I hate making lists like this because I'm terrible at remembering everyone but just because I don't list someone doesn't mean they're not missed.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:03 AM
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Is this the wrong thread in which to invite Natilo to send me an email? Every time I land at MSP, I remember that - want to have a communication with him, but then I forget before getting it initiated.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:06 AM
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74: The LSJ says yes, and even calls "τὴν σκάφην σκάφην λέγειν" a proverb.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:06 AM
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Is this the wrong thread in which to invite Natilo to send me an email? Every time I land at MSP, I remember that - want to have a communication with him, but then I forget before getting it initiated.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:09 AM
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87: Oh, I'm certainly not denying that people drop out. And I miss the folks you mentioned too, not to mention soupbiscuit, Armsmasher, Joe Drymala, Matt Weiner, Clownaesthesiologist, stras, Adam Kotsko, Ogged, Fontana, Bob, Unf, and on and on.

I just meant dropouts are nothing new around here. Magic Johnson set the trend long long ago. And I don't see the claimed correlation with references to offblog interaction. That might be the reason for some of the departed, I don't know, but people drop out for all kinds of reasons.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:13 AM
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And 91 was only a sampling of the gone and missed, not a comprehensive list.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:15 AM
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frequent worries about the three Unfoggedtarians who are my facebook "friends"

I'll try not to shame you, Ned.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:28 AM
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I only communicate with Blume on unfogged, not to worry.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:45 AM
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I think 94 is constructively pwnd by 33.com.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:55 AM
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And normally I'd just say that to Sifu's face and not here, but . . . .


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:56 AM
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I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of a fabulous rejoinder to the implication in 95 which was delivered through a different communications channel.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:58 AM
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The lurkers support me in semaphore.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:59 AM
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They're old school.com.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:00 AM
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CharleyCarp, if you're not friends with him on FB but remember his real name, you can connect with him via my friends list (provided you can remember my real name).


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100 -- In this case, 1/2 = 0.


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(And now my plane, so I'll be dark for a few hours more).


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I'll be dark for a few hours more

...laydeez.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:19 AM
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slaydeeze (?)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:21 AM
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JP Stormcrow gets dot com.com.


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Value dot biz.


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Nobody likes an argument from etymology, but everybody likes etymology.

FACT, i.e., something done.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:34 AM
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The apostropher is lame.com.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:42 AM
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How come neb's comment doesn't appear in the sidebar?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:42 AM
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But seriously, it's much much funnier in spoken communication. You can trust me.net.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:43 AM
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'Allo.gov!


Posted by: Happen/n' Englishm/n | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:44 AM
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"CharleyCarp, if you're not friends with him on FB but remember his real name, you can connect with him via my friends list (provided you can remember my real name)." s/b "Kobe.net!"


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:46 AM
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99: Should be "old school.arpa."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:48 AM
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114: Ableist.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:49 AM
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It's a trap.net!


Posted by: Commander Akbar | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:51 AM
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You can trust me.net

Redirects to: you can trust me.org


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:57 AM
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Is this Unfogged's way of telling me that everyone is friends IRL with Diablo Cody but me?

I am surprisingly ok with that.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:04 AM
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'Allo.gov!
'Allo yourself.co.uk!

I'm sure this would be much funnier in spoken communication.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:28 AM
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A store named 1-800 luggage.com used to exist. The domain is abandoned now.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:39 AM
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In spoken communication, the funniness goes to 11.com.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:41 AM
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As a relative new comer, I would have to say that knowing people already knew each other and were in communication was quite nice; working out the links between people off-site (because yes, such things do matter, and are going to happen in any community) is made much easier when there are references to off-blog communication. I would be far warier if a fiction was maintained that none of us knew each other off-blog, and then had it revealed to me at some later date. I'm pretty sure there's no way you could maintain such an illusion forever, and if it comes late to one person they're just going to feel like more of an outsider.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:42 AM
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Stay gold, Parengirl. Stay gold.


Posted by: Johnny | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:48 AM
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128 is genius.teenangst


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.comity!


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comity.gold!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 12:10 PM
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People exist offline?

In unrelated news, I believe that I have linked the flippanter e-mail address to my FB account, for the stalkers in the audience who wish to be disappointed by my rare and irrelevant updates.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:06 PM
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132: I just tried, flip! No dice! Or maybe you have me pre-emptively blocked?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:11 PM
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Facebook status update that just landed in my Live Feed from somebody I've never met in person, but who knows my wife: "Black Cock is phenomenal, and they're playing several more times during SXSW. I definitely recommend seeing them if you can."

I started to type the comment you'd expect, and then remembered, "Oh wait, I don't actually know this person..."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:17 PM
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the comment you'd expect

From apo? So, what, a link no one at work should click on?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:19 PM
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It would have started by quoting "Black Cock is phenomenal".


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:21 PM
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They're phenomenal.cok.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:27 PM
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Black Cock may be phenomenal, but they've got nothing on Black Mole.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:28 PM
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105: Did you defriend me, Carp? I just went to FB message you with Natilo's name, and you're not in my friends list any more. You dick!


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:48 PM
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Was it your wife who recommended Black Cock to this person?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 1:53 PM
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I think I may be in love with Judge Frank Roesch. He's the dude that told DWR that they have to have a real take permit to run the pumps, not a stack of binders from other reports that DWR pretends is a take permit.

Today he told Pleasanton that they have to take their fair share of housing, and must change their zoning to densify. It gives me hope that Jerry Brown filed with the plaintiffs, on the basis that "Pleasanton's housing limits added to urban sprawl and led to increased vehicle use, air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions." Perhaps he'll be a green governor after all.

If you google Judge Roesch, you see some Christian-types complaining about him, so I like him for whatever that was too.

Judge Roesch is going on my boyfriend list.

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I'm thinking this, from last December, is what the Christian-types were complaining about:

Judge: Only 'Bigots' Would Pull Their Kids Out of LGBT Education Programs
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Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:11 PM
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I like him for whatever that was too

Probably this.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:12 PM
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Huh. Same link, even.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:12 PM
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Yep. Great minds, and all that.


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Yep. Great minds Black cock, and all that.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:15 PM
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That's just what I was thinking about!


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127: Life is so much easier when you have the social intelligence of a cactus. It's simply not possible for me to track other people's interconnections, so I don't worry about it. I have a hard enough time keeping individual people straight in my head. I tend to assume that if I recognize the name that means I like them. Only if there's some outstanding incident or attribute do I recall specifics. In other words if you want me to remember you, punch me in the face while screaming your name.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:18 PM
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*punches togolosh in the face while screaming "M/tch M/lls"*


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:25 PM
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with a Chinese accent.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:29 PM
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In other words if you want me to remember you, punch me in the face while screaming your name.

Actually, this is the approved Unfogged protocol.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:30 PM
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He's the dude that told DWR that they have to have a real take permit to run the pumps

What pumps does Design Within Reach run?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:48 PM
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151: That is an impressive memory of the archives.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:51 PM
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153: It's more that that's just a classic, classic thread.


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Even so . . .


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:56 PM
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OK, now I think that the flippanter e-mail links properly to my FB account.

Based on my last experience being punched in the mouth, I don't recommend it.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:58 PM
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It's the Department of Waterways and Runnels, Josh.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 2:58 PM
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153: It's an ancient Chinese secret.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 3:15 PM
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155: You're not the first one who has noticed.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 3:16 PM
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153: It's more that that's just a classic, classic thread.

I like that a classic thread could be under 25 comments. In ancient times, quality was so much more concentrated.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 3:25 PM
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160: That was a long thread for its time. I still remember the first few times a thread hit three digits. It was a big deal back then.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 3:29 PM
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♪ We'd sing and dance forever and a day ♪


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 3:34 PM
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162: "sing and dance" should be "cry, cry, masturbate, and cry"


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 3:39 PM
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OK, now I think that the flippanter e-mail links properly to my FB account.

I searched for it via the "Search for People" field, but still no dice. I will email you my real name so that you can add if you like. I enjoy rare and irrelevant updates. The irrelevanter the better, I always say.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 9:52 PM
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Which makes me realize that I haven't seen comments from Otto in quite a while. I hope this is a good thing.

Yeah, y'all got leechblocked from the work machine about a month ago. Which is a sign of love! And also a sign that I really do think it's about time that I finished my data analysis. I get 5 min/hr to divide between Facebook, Bloglines, and here. Since it seems to be easier to get such bite-sized interactions out of FB than here, much of my procrastination efforts have gone that way lately.

But yes, there has been another factor at play. A female factor. I've been spending time with a girl. Enough time, in fact, that the details feel too personal to blab about on in the comment sections of obscure blogs. So, there's that. We'll see where it goes. Pessimism springs eternal.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:01 PM
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YAY!!! Otto and a girl person! I approve!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:04 PM
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Felicitations, Otto! Here's to hoping there's no software limiting you both to only the occasional Bisquickie.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:10 PM
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Sigh. You guys are totally going to spoil things with these "congratulations" and this "expression of excitement". It all still feels somewhat tentative. Have y'all noticed that I'm kind of insecure and neurotic? Because I am.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:13 PM
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My bad, shug. It is probably nothing, in a pleasant sort of way, for the time being.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:14 PM
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Ñongratulations!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:19 PM
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Dude, busting out the tildes. It must be a special occasion!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:23 PM
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Did this thread ever determine a place for the meetup before veering into discussing whether meetups were contrary to the Bloggeist?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:23 PM
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172: I think it got as far as 6-train adjacent, with someone suggesting the vicinity of Union Square.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:24 PM
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Jesus, I know of nothing around that area.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:28 PM
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Still, you must go there and spread the Word.


Posted by: Jesus | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:29 PM
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Bloggeist

Tomorrow, I have to give a presentation as part of the group - in many ways, I'd rather just have a one person lecture, since it's pretty much just a lecture - and it appears that I'm going to have to say Überlieferungs/bildung.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:33 PM
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174: Yeah, I think that's why it got no further. Either tiny fancy bars (Hi, Bar Jamon!) or enormous tourist bars (No thanks, Heartland Brewery!). But someone else can surely think of something nearish.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:34 PM
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Where did this girl go to high school?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:36 PM
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So just now, looking at our favorite dating site, I see a woman writing about killing herself. I sent her a message with a bunch of links to suicide prevention resources. Here's hoping she was either being overly dramatic or looks at one of the links I sent here.
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Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:40 PM
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178: Not with you. The person you are thinking of and I are "just friends".


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:42 PM
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Can we move it up the 6 to the Murray Hill or down to the Chinatown neighborhoods? Not that I know anywhere in particular to go around there, either, but they seem like more likely bets.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:48 PM
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Er, -e.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:49 PM
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No, my child. Your remit is among the Lurs in distant Assyria.


Posted by: Jesus | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:49 PM
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Just occupy the second-to-last car on a 6 train. All night long. There will be plenty of lurkers.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:50 PM
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I said Lurs not Lurkers.


Posted by: Jesus | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:51 PM
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181: Fine with me!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:54 PM
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Can we move it up the 6 to the Murray Hill or down to the Chinatown neighborhoods?

I'm fine with either of those neighborhoods, if anyone has ideas, though I think down is a better bet than up. I didn't suggest Union Square but plausible bars I can think of near there would be Flatiron Lounge (fancy), 119 (divey), or Rye House (whiskey-ey).


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 10:55 PM
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I vote cheap, quiet, and accessible. I also vote against serving a mission in Lorestan.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:16 PM
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I really should have chosen a better pseud, shouldn't I?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:17 PM
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Hooray for Otto and his "female factor"!

I thought the only reason to go near Union Square was the Strand. Mmm, books.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:34 PM
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I really should have chosen a better pseud, shouldn't I?

Why? Are you under the impression that you're the only Josh on the internet?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:36 PM
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ok I just googled "Josh" and I see a little special google feature "Results from people in your social circle for josh - BETA - My social circle - My social content" with an old post from EotAW.

wtf, google? I do not want this!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:37 PM
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191: It was more the nagging sense that no one reads my comments.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:40 PM
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Google knows what you want better than you do. How could it not? It's spent more time analyzing your preferences than you have.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:40 PM
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Oh, I thought you were afraid that the woman you tried to talk down might trace you here or something.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:43 PM
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That thought had occurred to me, actually, but what I wrote was sufficiently vague that I'm not terribly concerned about it.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-16-10 11:44 PM
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165: May your pessimism prove exaggerated and needless.


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179: Which site is our favorite dating site again? I forget.

And that was incredibly nice and decent of you. It's really hard to know how to react to something like that; I might have just succumb to feeling helpless to do anything. But it reminds me of something I read or heard on the radio once. I can't remember if it was about suicide generally or specifically about people who commit suicide by jumping off the Bay Bridge, but there was someone who did kill themselves by jumping off the Bay Bridge and the note they left, or maybe their last journal entry, said something along the lines of "I'm heading off to jump now. If even one person smiles at me on the way there, I'll turn around and come back."


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 5:52 AM
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Crap. "succumbed".com.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 5:53 AM
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165: Allow me to be the first to jinx and doom your budding relationship by wishing you best of luck.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 5:54 AM
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165: Enough time, in fact, that the details feel too personal to blab about on in the comment sections of obscure blogs

Sure, but what's stopping you from doing it here?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 6:18 AM
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We could go to that bar in the 30s where we've gotten together to watch election returns. It's kind of a crummy bar, though. The Ginger Man is nicer, but I don't know what the Saturday crowd is like.

119 looks good. Or we could try Whiskey Tavern in Chinatown (I haven't been).


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 10:30 AM
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177: The very first NYC Unfogged meetup was at Old Town Bar and Grill on 18th -- I haven't been in a decade, but it must still be open. Or Pete's Tavern for the O Henryness of it all.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 10:33 AM
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I was thrown out of Pete's Tavern when I was sixteen for making fun of a plate of hot antipasto. Well, and being drunk and underage while I was doing it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 10:42 AM
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Was the antipasto friends with the bouncer or something? Or is there a regulation against hurting food's feelings in Manhattan?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 10:45 AM
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I think the management objected to the manner in which my friend and I were making fun of the antipasto. (That is, if we hadn't been helpless with laughter for no good reason, they probably wouldn't have figured out how drunk we were. As it was, they figured we were not adding to the ambiance of their establishment.)


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198: This article. (Golden Gate Bridge, not Bay Bridge. Nobody jumps off the Bay Bridge, 'cause there's no pedestrian access.) And yeah, that suicide note was exactly what I had in mind.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 11:00 AM
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Incredibly decent of you, Josh. I hope she's ok.

Otto: low five. Exclamation point free, tentative and half-hearted felicitations.


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207: The part of that article that most strongly affected my thinking about suicide was this:

A familiar argument against a barrier is that thwarted jumpers will simply go elsewhere. In 1953, a bridge supervisor named Mervin Lewis rejected an early proposal for a barrier by saying it was preferable that suicides jump into the Bay than dive off a building "and maybe kill somebody else." (It's a public-safety issue.) Although this belief makes intuitive sense, it is demonstrably untrue. Dr. Seiden's study, "Where Are They Now?," published in 1978, followed up on five hundred and fifteen people who were prevented from attempting suicide at the bridge between 1937 and 1971. After, on average, more than twenty-six years, ninety-four per cent of the would-be suicides were either still alive or had died of natural causes. "The findings confirm previous observations that suicidal behavior is crisis-oriented and acute in nature," Seiden concluded; if you can get a suicidal person through his crisis--Seiden put the high-risk period at ninety days--chances are extremely good that he won't kill himself later.

Thinking about that also inspired me to track down an old post at respectful of otters which says something similar, even in the case of people with chronic pain or incurable illness.

[P]roponents of Physician Assisted Suicide (PAS) have successfully created the impression that there's a bright line of distinction between (1) crazy people, who want to commit suicide because they're depressed, irrational, and impulsive; and (2) incurably ill people, who want to commit suicide for rational reasons. . . . But there's nothing exceptional about the suicidal wishes of people with incurable illnesses. The desire to die is associated with depression, hopelessness, feeling unsupported, and seeing oneself as a burden with nothing of value left to offer the world. That's true for both the physically ill and the physically well. And these symptoms respond to treatment, for the physically ill and the physically well alike.

So I think you were very clearly doing the right thing.


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So I think you were very clearly doing the right thing.

Also, it's a smart move approaching the suicidal on dating web sites - you can count on them for low expectations.


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207: Oh yeah, the Golden Gate bridge. Duh. (That's what I was thinking of, I don't know why I called it the Bay Bridge).

And that's not the article I was thinking of, but it contains a lot of the same material. I'm pretty sure it must have been a radio program I heard.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 3:14 PM
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I can never post from my phone so I don't know if this will go through, but I'm perfectly happy with any manhattan destination. I was going to say LES but it's not actually 6-adjacent.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 10:46 PM
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I can never post from my phone so I don't know if this will go through, but I'm perfectly happy with any manhattan destination. I was going to say LES but it's not actually 6-adjacent.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 10:46 PM
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Wow, rocking the double-post! I'm fired up.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 03-17-10 10:48 PM
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Whiskey Tavern looks interesting, and is right near the Canal Street 6 (and everything else) stop:

http://nymag.com/listings/bar/whiskey-tavern/


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 03-18-10 3:39 PM
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Whiskey Tavern looks promising, is just a few doors up the street from good Thai food, and, most important, represents a concrete and specific plan, which we don't currently have. I say we do it. Time? I guess day, also; I'm assuming this is Saturday, but don't know if that was ever confirmed.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 03-18-10 9:09 PM
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Sounds good to me. Saturday and 8? I'll re-post in a bit.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 03-18-10 9:22 PM
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Sounds fine and is also reachable by the Q for those of us coming from Brooklyn.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 03-18-10 9:23 PM
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Sure!


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Excellent.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 03-19-10 6:44 AM
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A plan!


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To do something!


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