"No more masturbating to...no wait, only masturbating to faculty-student sex."
Just thought you might enjoy sharing my excitement about Calculus, laydeez.
Because of this blog, when I read, in volume one of The Will, that "a man will introduce his hand into a cupboard but will not attempt to insert it into a thimble!", I mentally added, "laydeez".
Is Yale a first mover on this? I have the vague impression that there isn't a hard-and-fast rule like the new Yale rule most places, but I don't know if there are some schools with rules that tight already.
What about cuddling? Or finger-banging?
The archives say finger-banging counts.
A similar proposed rule at Stuffwhitepeople Like University was shot down by the faculty, led by a sociologist who studies sexuality using a lot of post-toasted methods. She gave the really bad argument that "You can't police desire." And yet it won the day.
Post-toasted methods? Are these tipsy ideas?
Its a combination of "post modern" and "are you high?"
When a really bad argument wins the day, sometimes that is not because people are moved by the force of the argument.
What I'm saying is, cui bono? The answer we are told is suum, as in cuique, but qui?
You can't police desire
...and not desire police.
"You can't police desire."*
*This generalization is robust once we discount empirical evidence to the contrary provided by human civilization.
"You can't police desire."
But you can nurse it.
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Paging KR, analysis needed aisle 3.
Spirit Airlines will charge as much as $45 each way for a carry-on bag, adding a fee that bigger airlines have yet to try. The charge will apply to bags in the overhead bin. Personal items that fit under the seat will still be free.
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Except for you, Gswift! All of us desire you intensely! I myself have been bad and broken several laws. You should probably take me into custody.
18 looks like the start of something great. Please keep us informed of the whole meet up. Pictures would be nice, but I don't want to push things.
But but but ACADEMIC FREEDOM!!11!!
but I don't want to push things.
Helpy-Chalk: unwilling to volunteer.
I don't think Gswift has jurisdiction to arrest people for indecent exposure across state lines.
The first annual Dirndl & Handcuffs Day.
One has to be pretty well endowed, or audaciously situated, to expose oneself indecently across state lines.
The people at Four Corners are missing a good way to draw tourists. When I was there, most of there attempts at earning money from the geographic uniqueness involved selling trinkets.
24: You could stand on top of the Four Corners monument.
"there" s/b "their" or "thier". I'm too tired to look it up.
You could do it at Carowinds (half-hearted attempts starting at the 8th or 9th photo down).
I shot desire, but forgot about its deputies.
Also, I could have sworn this policy was tried before somewhere, but then repealed.
It's possible there were different policies for grads and undergrads, but the UofC rules on the subject were just that faculty couldn't date someone they graded or otherwise supervised and that the relationship had to be disclosed to the powers that be.
I believe Harvard has the rule that faculty can't date someone they teach/grade/supervise OR someone they might possibly teach/grade/supervise in the future. This makes it officially against the rules for a grad student who teaches any kind of classes to date any undergrad because that undergrad might possibly take grad studnet's class. As you can guess, it's pretty hard to enforce such a rule.
grad studnet
This is how you keep a hot smart guy, Laydeez. Specialized nets.
The Va Bar recently said lawyer-client sex was probably a bad idea, but not out-and-out banned.
And extending it to potential clients à la Harvard would really hurt.
I once had someone tell me that she couldn't attend a social function to which I had invited her because she had previously interpreted an event at which I was present, and such a situation might also arise in the future. She said it violated the Code of Ethics. I was irritated by this because the result of such a policy would be that no interpreter is allowed to be friends with any deaf person, and, unless you think the interpreters only benefit the deaf people, no interpreter is allowed to be friends with any hearing person either. Which is dumb. Plus I HAVE interpreter friends, so whatever, man.
Then, because I was irritated by the lack of common sense, I didn't press the matter. Who wants to hang out with illogical interpreters, anyway? Not me.
I only hang out with charitable interpreters.
38: Man, that'd make it hard to stay fluent in ASL, not being allowed to associate with deaf people.
See? It's a good thing she didn't come to my party, I would have spent the whole night lecturing her about thinking through her arguments a little better.
32: the UofC rules on the subject were just that faculty couldn't date someone they graded or otherwise supervised and that the relationship had to be disclosed to the powers that be
I like the caveat at the end there: it is to say that that you can't do this, but if you do, you have to tell us? I understand the sentiment, but it is a little funny.
The permitted relationships had to be disclosed.
If you had to get a permit, doesn't that mean it's already disclosed.
[Thank you, I'll be here all night. Because I'm at real risk of failing to meet my deadline.]
42, 43: Seriously, Ben and I are very familiar with the policy. We had to be.
I am not the least bit familiar with the policy, but if I let that stop me, I think society would be the real loser. So, my question is: Isn't disclosing relationships to some university official really awkward?
I can think of few more uncomfortable situations in a new relationship than discussing when we should tell Dean XYZ. In order to have a reporting requirement that was meaningful for sexual harassment prevention, you'd about have to tell the dean (or whoever) sooner than I would think is wise to start telling any but close friends about the relationship. And then, how can you just dump someone after they've filled-out a form and told the dean? A break-up is bad enough, but having to tell your boss about it would be worse, at least for a shortish relationship. If you don't want a serious relationship, you'd have to say "Nope, I'm good. Bye," right there before they went to the dean.
Maybe there's some sort of e-filing system to make it smoother. Just as long as they don't get it confused with any public records system they might have.
Better yet, you could have a mobile app and then you could, by which I mean be legally required to, file in real time during "activities".
43: Ah. The phrasing was ambiguous enough that I had to ask (the alternative was comical). It's a fair enough policy, though I admit I might start to wonder what counts as a relationship.
We had to be.
Oh? What counted as a relationship?
On preview: obviously a departmental Facebook-style app is needed whereby status updates are dutifully provided.
The only real solution would be to have everybody file notices of intent or interest for everybody with whom they might like to have a relationship. If you want to stop harassment, you need to worry most about the asymmetrical dyads. Also, this would do wonders for controlling costs. I can see the e-mail now: "This year, you can either have expanded coverage of prescription medication or a 5 second peak at the list of people who might give you the time of day."
Oh? What counted as a relationship?
We screwed like rabbits.
With big floppy ears and a puffy tail?
I don't even know how rabbits screw, to be honest.
52: After the class had ended. There are standards.
We screwed like rabbits.
He sniffs her and continually hops around her. He mounts her several times and the process starts over again. Sometimes she hops away from him and he has to mount her again. The male rabbit will then ejaculate sperm inside the female rabbit. Right after this happens you will hear a loud squeal and the male rabbit will flop over onto the floor.
Is there a costume exception? I mean, if you didn't know whom you were with, how could that affect your professional abilities?
51: Yeah, a 5 second peak may be a bit disappointing.
the male rabbit will flop over onto the floor.
Well of course. Its axis mundi has fallen.
It's good that the link takes care to specify that the male ejaculates sperm.
60: As far as I knew, rabbits ejaculated salty remarks. "Carrots are fuckin' outstanding!" That sort of thing.
Someone here recently referred to the Eliade story of the axis mundi and I found it difficult not to think of that link and laugh, since that's most of what I know of Eliade.
I think I've made a terrible mistake.
have everybody file notices of intent or interest for everybody with whom they might like to have a relationship
Then they can just save these notices to use for the last chance dance at the end of college.
Better yet, you could have a mobile app and then you could, by which I mean be legally required to, file in real time during "activities".
It's supposed to work like the FISA wiretapping court, where you go ahead and invade someone's personal space, and then you're required to justify it within a week to get a retrospective warrant. So you get punished if you're a repeat offender.
38: Yeah, that interpreter's pretty stupid. There's certainly nothing in the code of ethics saying anything like that.
68: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9)!
69: Stanley!
Punked you, eh son?
[Slur it a bit. Have some drinks if you need to.]
This is what passes for a sex thread these days?
There was a good five seconds in it. Somewhere.
75: All the threads are sex threads now, teo, but it's really, like, extremely unsatisfying sex.
Maybe Future Yale postdoc can tell us more about their terrible sex mistake.
Ever since you lost your virginity, teo, we've had to drop the pretense that sex was actually worth talking about.
The person you gave it too still has it, Teo.
He or she could have given it "too" someone else.
AWB's transferable virginity theory introduced here and explored later in the thread. (And slightly upthread neb makes the virginity/druthers connection.)
Oh, I see that a link to that very post was the connection to which JP referred.
But I only read the linked post itself, so did not see that AWB had brought her idea up in the comments there several years before the Unfogged thread.
Wouldn't it be easier if you separated the shit from the writing before you wrote nothing (or very little)?
It's not impossible that even if you did separate the shit out first you'd still write more than very little.
I'm at the point where I have written shit today, but need to write much, much more. I hate stuff that has to be footnoted but also written very quickly.
I'm at the stage where I can't even tell if I need to address something with a largeish literature, which I started out thinking was important, but whose point for my project I can no longer quite discern.
I think I might, though, need at least to say something about it.
"Also relevant is X, although a detailed discussion of this issue is beyond the scope of this paper."
I have an interesting topic that fits uneasily into the subject of the course, and the subject of the course doesn't interest me that much. Plus, I just don't feel like taking 20 pages when I know I can make my point (for purposes of the course) in 10. It's not like this is for potential publication - if it were, I'd do a better job and write even more; and there's very little at this point for me to learn about the practice of writing papers for courses. I'm at the end of my student years, not the start. If I want to write a lot, I'll do a thesis. This is a professional degree, however, and it appears that this program is a bit unusual in its paper-assigning practices.
A week or so ago I put out a new paper that included a footnote with a remark like "A similar argument will apply to [topic X], which has received a great deal of recent attention. A sample of papers that might serve as a starting point for this literature is [references]." And, inevitably, I got emails from people complaining that I omitted their paper from the list.
99: What I'd like to be able to do is just link to a bibliography compiled somewhere, or maybe just to a static list of search results. I mean, if I don't have anything to say about a specific paper except to note it, and noting it is a formality but not an entirely empty one, it should be easier to just note it.
I apologize for failing to cite 98 in my comment.
And I've been reading stuff from the 50s when they had this beautiful convention of only citing literature that they are actually making use of in some way, instead of our modern practice of saying "my friends down the hall are doing work that also uses the word 'and' \cite{friend1,friend2,friend3,friend4,...}" to avoid getting angry emails.
99: Yeah, if there's some sort of review article that lists all the references, citing it works well in situations like that. Beyond that I don't know any satisfactory approach.
That tittyfucking thread was great. It's linked somewhere in here. Or somewhere else. Somehow I found myself reading it today.
I get pleasure from having a lengthy bibliography. "All right!", I think, "scholarship! I know shit!".
My bibliography indicates that I probably should have started writing last night instead of quickly reading a few more articles. I have too many peripheral sources for this shit. I wish I were better at doing half-assed research, but the research part is what I enjoy. Now, I will proceed to leave a ton of stuff out that could fit with more time.
I'm nearing the point of needing to write about 2 pages per hour, proofreading included.
I've come to realize that I much prefer compiling bibliographies to writing papers.
Hence this, as well as my decision not to pursue academia as a career.
I've come to realize that I much prefer writing bizarre shit than a dissertation.
I wouldn't mind writing something real, that is, for publication at this point. I kind of wish I'd followed up on earlier research papers, but I've always, always hated this kind of course paper. I'm slowly resigning myself to missing this deadline. Shit.
re: 101
That's how things still largely work in the humanities, no?
My understanding is that there's a lot of that sort of footnoting in history, at least, and some of it comes in during peer review (to judge by some complaints about footnoting stuff that there's no real reason to footnote).
101: For my undergrad thesis I read Reynolds' original (1888?) paper in which he demonstrates the importance of the (as yet un-named) Reynolds' number. Awesome: doing fluid mechanics calculations without the use of the del operator, so all the equations were written out in long form. Also awesome was that he not only explained wtf he was doing in detail, he took the time to actually complete the work before publishing instead of simply firing of an LPU for each subsection. The font was nice, too.
re: 112
I did get someone comment on my d.phil thesis that the bibliography was quite short [it was still fecking long], but I only cited things I'd quoted from, or explicitly referred to in the text. It probably only reflected a fraction of what I'd actually read for the thing.
114: I'll cite your thesis in my next article. People who read medical journals probably need more exposure to other fields.