Re: My first post title seems slightly NSFW, what with the big bold font and all.

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So what was the first post title?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:51 AM
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"No more masturbating to...no wait, only masturbating to faculty-student sex."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:53 AM
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Just thought you might enjoy sharing my excitement about Calculus, laydeez.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:53 AM
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Because of this blog, when I read, in volume one of The Will, that "a man will introduce his hand into a cupboard but will not attempt to insert it into a thimble!", I mentally added, "laydeez".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:55 AM
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Is Yale a first mover on this? I have the vague impression that there isn't a hard-and-fast rule like the new Yale rule most places, but I don't know if there are some schools with rules that tight already.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:57 AM
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What about cuddling? Or finger-banging?

The archives say finger-banging counts.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 12:02 PM
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6: What about ZJs?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 12:03 PM
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A similar proposed rule at Stuffwhitepeople Like University was shot down by the faculty, led by a sociologist who studies sexuality using a lot of post-toasted methods. She gave the really bad argument that "You can't police desire." And yet it won the day.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 12:59 PM
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Post-toasted methods? Are these tipsy ideas?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:00 PM
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Corny and flaky ones.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:01 PM
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Its a combination of "post modern" and "are you high?"


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:01 PM
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When a really bad argument wins the day, sometimes that is not because people are moved by the force of the argument.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:01 PM
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What I'm saying is, cui bono? The answer we are told is suum, as in cuique, but qui?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:02 PM
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You can't police desire

...and not desire police.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:02 PM
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"You can't police desire."*

*This generalization is robust once we discount empirical evidence to the contrary provided by human civilization.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:13 PM
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"You can't police desire."

But you can nurse it.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:14 PM
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Paging KR, analysis needed aisle 3.

Spirit Airlines will charge as much as $45 each way for a carry-on bag, adding a fee that bigger airlines have yet to try. The charge will apply to bags in the overhead bin. Personal items that fit under the seat will still be free.
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:21 PM
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Except for you, Gswift! All of us desire you intensely! I myself have been bad and broken several laws. You should probably take me into custody.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:36 PM
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18 looks like the start of something great. Please keep us informed of the whole meet up. Pictures would be nice, but I don't want to push things.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:53 PM
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But but but ACADEMIC FREEDOM!!11!!


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:54 PM
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but I don't want to push things.

Helpy-Chalk: unwilling to volunteer.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:56 PM
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I don't think Gswift has jurisdiction to arrest people for indecent exposure across state lines.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:59 PM
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The first annual Dirndl & Handcuffs Day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:00 PM
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One has to be pretty well endowed, or audaciously situated, to expose oneself indecently across state lines.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:04 PM
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The people at Four Corners are missing a good way to draw tourists. When I was there, most of there attempts at earning money from the geographic uniqueness involved selling trinkets.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:09 PM
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24: You could stand on top of the Four Corners monument.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:10 PM
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God fucking dammit!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:10 PM
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"there" s/b "their" or "thier". I'm too tired to look it up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:16 PM
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You could do it at Carowinds (half-hearted attempts starting at the 8th or 9th photo down).


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:17 PM
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I shot desire, but forgot about its deputies.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:21 PM
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Also, I could have sworn this policy was tried before somewhere, but then repealed.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:21 PM
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It's possible there were different policies for grads and undergrads, but the UofC rules on the subject were just that faculty couldn't date someone they graded or otherwise supervised and that the relationship had to be disclosed to the powers that be.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:27 PM
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I believe Harvard has the rule that faculty can't date someone they teach/grade/supervise OR someone they might possibly teach/grade/supervise in the future. This makes it officially against the rules for a grad student who teaches any kind of classes to date any undergrad because that undergrad might possibly take grad studnet's class. As you can guess, it's pretty hard to enforce such a rule.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:39 PM
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grad studnet

This is how you keep a hot smart guy, Laydeez. Specialized nets.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:56 PM
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The Va Bar recently said lawyer-client sex was probably a bad idea, but not out-and-out banned.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:01 PM
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...divorcéez


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:04 PM
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And extending it to potential clients à la Harvard would really hurt.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:04 PM
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I once had someone tell me that she couldn't attend a social function to which I had invited her because she had previously interpreted an event at which I was present, and such a situation might also arise in the future. She said it violated the Code of Ethics. I was irritated by this because the result of such a policy would be that no interpreter is allowed to be friends with any deaf person, and, unless you think the interpreters only benefit the deaf people, no interpreter is allowed to be friends with any hearing person either. Which is dumb. Plus I HAVE interpreter friends, so whatever, man.

Then, because I was irritated by the lack of common sense, I didn't press the matter. Who wants to hang out with illogical interpreters, anyway? Not me.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:35 PM
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I only hang out with charitable interpreters.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:54 PM
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38: Man, that'd make it hard to stay fluent in ASL, not being allowed to associate with deaf people.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 4:00 PM
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See? It's a good thing she didn't come to my party, I would have spent the whole night lecturing her about thinking through her arguments a little better.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 4:02 PM
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32: the UofC rules on the subject were just that faculty couldn't date someone they graded or otherwise supervised and that the relationship had to be disclosed to the powers that be

I like the caveat at the end there: it is to say that that you can't do this, but if you do, you have to tell us? I understand the sentiment, but it is a little funny.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 5:48 PM
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The permitted relationships had to be disclosed.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 5:58 PM
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If you had to get a permit, doesn't that mean it's already disclosed.

[Thank you, I'll be here all night. Because I'm at real risk of failing to meet my deadline.]


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:07 PM
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42, 43: Seriously, Ben and I are very familiar with the policy. We had to be.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:07 PM
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I am not the least bit familiar with the policy, but if I let that stop me, I think society would be the real loser. So, my question is: Isn't disclosing relationships to some university official really awkward?

I can think of few more uncomfortable situations in a new relationship than discussing when we should tell Dean XYZ. In order to have a reporting requirement that was meaningful for sexual harassment prevention, you'd about have to tell the dean (or whoever) sooner than I would think is wise to start telling any but close friends about the relationship. And then, how can you just dump someone after they've filled-out a form and told the dean? A break-up is bad enough, but having to tell your boss about it would be worse, at least for a shortish relationship. If you don't want a serious relationship, you'd have to say "Nope, I'm good. Bye," right there before they went to the dean.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:27 PM
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Maybe there's some sort of e-filing system to make it smoother. Just as long as they don't get it confused with any public records system they might have.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:34 PM
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Better yet, you could have a mobile app and then you could, by which I mean be legally required to, file in real time during "activities".


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:35 PM
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43: Ah. The phrasing was ambiguous enough that I had to ask (the alternative was comical). It's a fair enough policy, though I admit I might start to wonder what counts as a relationship.

We had to be.

Oh? What counted as a relationship?

On preview: obviously a departmental Facebook-style app is needed whereby status updates are dutifully provided.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:41 PM
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The only real solution would be to have everybody file notices of intent or interest for everybody with whom they might like to have a relationship. If you want to stop harassment, you need to worry most about the asymmetrical dyads. Also, this would do wonders for controlling costs. I can see the e-mail now: "This year, you can either have expanded coverage of prescription medication or a 5 second peak at the list of people who might give you the time of day."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:41 PM
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s/b peek not peak. Sorry.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:42 PM
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Oh? What counted as a relationship?

We screwed like rabbits.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:51 PM
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With big floppy ears and a puffy tail?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:52 PM
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I don't even know how rabbits screw, to be honest.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:52 PM
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52: After the class had ended. There are standards.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:53 PM
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We screwed like rabbits.

In other words:

He sniffs her and continually hops around her. He mounts her several times and the process starts over again. Sometimes she hops away from him and he has to mount her again. The male rabbit will then ejaculate sperm inside the female rabbit. Right after this happens you will hear a loud squeal and the male rabbit will flop over onto the floor.

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:54 PM
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Is there a costume exception? I mean, if you didn't know whom you were with, how could that affect your professional abilities?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:55 PM
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51: Yeah, a 5 second peak may be a bit disappointing.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:55 PM
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the male rabbit will flop over onto the floor.

Well of course. Its axis mundi has fallen.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:55 PM
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It's good that the link takes care to specify that the male ejaculates sperm.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:56 PM
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60: As far as I knew, rabbits ejaculated salty remarks. "Carrots are fuckin' outstanding!" That sort of thing.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:03 PM
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Someone here recently referred to the Eliade story of the axis mundi and I found it difficult not to think of that link and laugh, since that's most of what I know of Eliade.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:08 PM
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I think I've made a terrible mistake.


Posted by: Future Yale postdoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:16 PM
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Do you need help hiding the body?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:27 PM
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have everybody file notices of intent or interest for everybody with whom they might like to have a relationship

Then they can just save these notices to use for the last chance dance at the end of college.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:50 PM
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Better yet, you could have a mobile app and then you could, by which I mean be legally required to, file in real time during "activities".

It's supposed to work like the FISA wiretapping court, where you go ahead and invade someone's personal space, and then you're required to justify it within a week to get a retrospective warrant. So you get punished if you're a repeat offender.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:54 PM
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58: It's never happened before.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 8:19 PM
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38: Yeah, that interpreter's pretty stupid. There's certainly nothing in the code of ethics saying anything like that.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 8:29 PM
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68: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9)!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 8:32 PM
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69: Stanley!


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 8:55 PM
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Vigorous punctuation!


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:06 PM
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Staid. Punctuation.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:08 PM
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nopunctuationorediting


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:08 PM
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Punked you, eh son?

[Slur it a bit. Have some drinks if you need to.]


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:24 PM
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This is what passes for a sex thread these days?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:24 PM
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There was a good five seconds in it. Somewhere.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:25 PM
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75: All the threads are sex threads now, teo, but it's really, like, extremely unsatisfying sex.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:26 PM
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Maybe Future Yale postdoc can tell us more about their terrible sex mistake.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:32 PM
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Ever since you lost your virginity, teo, we've had to drop the pretense that sex was actually worth talking about.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:38 PM
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I could try to find it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:48 PM
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I think neb has it.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:51 PM
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No, I have his druthers.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 9:52 PM
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The person you gave it too still has it, Teo.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:04 PM
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He or she could have given it "too" someone else.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:05 PM
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That would be [sic].


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:13 PM
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AWB's transferable virginity theory introduced here and explored later in the thread. (And slightly upthread neb makes the virginity/druthers connection.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:36 PM
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The virginity/druthers connection.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:50 PM
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Oh, I see that a link to that very post was the connection to which JP referred.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:51 PM
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But I only read the linked post itself, so did not see that AWB had brought her idea up in the comments there several years before the Unfogged thread.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:56 PM
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Wouldn't it be easier if you separated the shit from the writing before you wrote nothing (or very little)?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:57 PM
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It's not impossible that even if you did separate the shit out first you'd still write more than very little.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 10:59 PM
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I'm at the point where I have written shit today, but need to write much, much more. I hate stuff that has to be footnoted but also written very quickly.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:01 PM
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I'm at the stage where I can't even tell if I need to address something with a largeish literature, which I started out thinking was important, but whose point for my project I can no longer quite discern.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:03 PM
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You probably don't.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:09 PM
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I think I might, though, need at least to say something about it.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:12 PM
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"Also relevant is X, although a detailed discussion of this issue is beyond the scope of this paper."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:14 PM
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I have an interesting topic that fits uneasily into the subject of the course, and the subject of the course doesn't interest me that much. Plus, I just don't feel like taking 20 pages when I know I can make my point (for purposes of the course) in 10. It's not like this is for potential publication - if it were, I'd do a better job and write even more; and there's very little at this point for me to learn about the practice of writing papers for courses. I'm at the end of my student years, not the start. If I want to write a lot, I'll do a thesis. This is a professional degree, however, and it appears that this program is a bit unusual in its paper-assigning practices.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:16 PM
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A week or so ago I put out a new paper that included a footnote with a remark like "A similar argument will apply to [topic X], which has received a great deal of recent attention. A sample of papers that might serve as a starting point for this literature is [references]." And, inevitably, I got emails from people complaining that I omitted their paper from the list.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:16 PM
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99: What I'd like to be able to do is just link to a bibliography compiled somewhere, or maybe just to a static list of search results. I mean, if I don't have anything to say about a specific paper except to note it, and noting it is a formality but not an entirely empty one, it should be easier to just note it.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:19 PM
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I apologize for failing to cite 98 in my comment.


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And I've been reading stuff from the 50s when they had this beautiful convention of only citing literature that they are actually making use of in some way, instead of our modern practice of saying "my friends down the hall are doing work that also uses the word 'and' \cite{friend1,friend2,friend3,friend4,...}" to avoid getting angry emails.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:19 PM
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99: Yeah, if there's some sort of review article that lists all the references, citing it works well in situations like that. Beyond that I don't know any satisfactory approach.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:23 PM
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That tittyfucking thread was great. It's linked somewhere in here. Or somewhere else. Somehow I found myself reading it today.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:24 PM
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I get pleasure from having a lengthy bibliography. "All right!", I think, "scholarship! I know shit!".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:32 PM
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103: linked in comment 6.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:32 PM
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My bibliography indicates that I probably should have started writing last night instead of quickly reading a few more articles. I have too many peripheral sources for this shit. I wish I were better at doing half-assed research, but the research part is what I enjoy. Now, I will proceed to leave a ton of stuff out that could fit with more time.

I'm nearing the point of needing to write about 2 pages per hour, proofreading included.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:39 PM
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I've come to realize that I much prefer compiling bibliographies to writing papers.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:48 PM
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Hence this, as well as my decision not to pursue academia as a career.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:49 PM
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I've come to realize that I much prefer writing bizarre shit than a dissertation.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 11:49 PM
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I wouldn't mind writing something real, that is, for publication at this point. I kind of wish I'd followed up on earlier research papers, but I've always, always hated this kind of course paper. I'm slowly resigning myself to missing this deadline. Shit.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 12:18 AM
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re: 101

That's how things still largely work in the humanities, no?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 12:34 AM
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My understanding is that there's a lot of that sort of footnoting in history, at least, and some of it comes in during peer review (to judge by some complaints about footnoting stuff that there's no real reason to footnote).


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 12:44 AM
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101: For my undergrad thesis I read Reynolds' original (1888?) paper in which he demonstrates the importance of the (as yet un-named) Reynolds' number. Awesome: doing fluid mechanics calculations without the use of the del operator, so all the equations were written out in long form. Also awesome was that he not only explained wtf he was doing in detail, he took the time to actually complete the work before publishing instead of simply firing of an LPU for each subsection. The font was nice, too.


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I did get someone comment on my d.phil thesis that the bibliography was quite short [it was still fecking long], but I only cited things I'd quoted from, or explicitly referred to in the text. It probably only reflected a fraction of what I'd actually read for the thing.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 7:04 AM
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114: I'll cite your thesis in my next article. People who read medical journals probably need more exposure to other fields.


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