Re: Republicans all agree that Iraq was a mistake.

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...and nonetheless the neocon architects of the war will still be welcome at Republican functions, treated as honest men, and listened to on matters of war, terrorism, and security.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:39 PM
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And they will dutifully line up and declare whatever country the next Republican president decides to bomb to be the gravest threat since 1945.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:42 PM
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2.last: declare whatever country the next Republican president decides to bomb to be the gravest threat since 1945.

Josh Hutcherson on the new Red Dawn:

We've changed quite a bit of the story, but the heart of the story is there. The American, patriotic feel of the original, rising up against the invaders, is still definitely there. The Chinese are invading now, so we're switching that up just to stay with the times a little bit.

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:48 PM
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Red Dawn, the remake: Now with added racism!


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:50 PM
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I was hoping that Hot Tub Time Machine was what the plan for a Red Dawn remake had turned into. Very fun movie, btw. For men.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 1:55 PM
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Red Dawn, the remake: Now with added racism!

I can't believe they missed the obvious opportunity to rebrand it as Yellow Dawn. We used to be world champion racists, and just look at how we've fallen. What has Obama wrought? I weep for this country.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:00 PM
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...and nonetheless the neocon architects of the war will still be welcome at Republican functions, treated as honest men, and listened to on matters of war, terrorism, and security.

Democratic functions too.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:05 PM
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This morning on the radio when they were discussing about offshore drilling, some guy called in to talk about how you never hear amount the dangers of becoming dependent on electric cars. Namely, its because 90% of the world's Lithium, a "rare earth element" used in batteries, comes from China. And one day the Chinese won't want to sell it to us. So, offshore drilling it is.

In real life, China produces about 10% of the world's lithium. Still, we should totally go to war with them and take their lithium.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:23 PM
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8: Still, we should totally go to war with them and take their lithium.

That would be really depressing.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:26 PM
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Zing!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:27 PM
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8: If you want to get lithium, think of everyone you know who used to have huge mood swings and no longer does. Then rifle their medicine cabinets.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:28 PM
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9: Do you feel better now?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:28 PM
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No Blood for Equanimity


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:31 PM
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Huh, Duncan voted against. I thought all the Republicans voted for. (McClintock was still helping to fuck up California at the time - I think he ran as the "conservative alternative" to Schwarzenegger while in the legislature - and no surprise Rohrbacher would have voted for and then, when convenient, decided it was a mistake.)


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:32 PM
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It's fine to acknowledge that the Iraq war was a mistake, as long as everyone avoids the implication that the hippies who opposed the Iraq war were right. I'm sure everyone on that panel would still scoff at that rather silly idea.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:37 PM
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"Because there was no possible way we could have known at the time that this might be how things would turn out."

This has been the standard line pretty much since 2006, hasn't it? I don't think anything has changed.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:39 PM
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16 is 15 cont., in case that's unclear.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:40 PM
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Also, I think the Republicans owe France an apology.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:41 PM
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The "freedom fries" guy turned against the war at some point. I can't remember when.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:42 PM
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12: Quite.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:44 PM
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I thought all the Republicans voted for.

Six nays in the House (Duncan, TN; Hostettler, IN; Houghton, NY; Leach, IA; Morella, MD; and Ron Paul, TX) and one in the Senate (Chafee, RI).


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:48 PM
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I think a House Resolution apologizing to France would be hysterical.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 2:51 PM
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19: 2005.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:00 PM
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Lithium is not one of the rare earth elements on which China has a monopoly. Bolivia is the place with all the lithium.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:19 PM
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Bomb La Paz!


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 3:22 PM
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I want non-Americans to read this article. It will help you understand what must seem odd.

Not only does our legislature not work, it has never worked. Even during the golden ages that the old-timers celebrate in this article. Apparently at that time, our legislature worked as if we had a House of Lords but not a House of Commons. Now thanks to party discipline, the situation has changed so that the Lords can be voted out of office, but only if they fail to spent half or more of their time asking for bribes.

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Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 4:23 PM
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I haven't read it, but I see from a search that that piece doesn't include Henry Adams on the Senate. Probably for the best, as that Adams quotation tends to be overused.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 4:31 PM
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Lithium isn't a rare earth, it's an alkali metal.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 4:32 PM
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It is, however, a rare metal on earth. (Or pretty much anywhere, for that matter.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 5:03 PM
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29: Don't believe those mass spectrometers. There is a shitload on Alpha Centari.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 5:19 PM
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Depends on your definition of rare. It's more abundant than copper, nickel, zinc or chromium.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 5:48 PM
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During the Cold War there was some kind of thing (minor Congressional bitching) about how all of our chromium had to come from the Soviets or South Africa. Which kind of bad did we want to support for shiny bumpers and making bad jokes about oral sex that involved trailer hitches?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:16 PM
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30: I've lost track; are you proposing the plot of Red Dawn III or the rationale for Iraq War III?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:20 PM
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33: I just think science should work more on how we can built more big rockets and less on telling me again and again to conserve lithium.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 6:31 PM
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24,28,31: It's almost as if you are insinuating that the random wingnut on the radio had no idea what he was talking about.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:32 PM
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He had some idea of what he was talking about. He probably said "lithium" instead of "lanthanum".

Sample pompous editorial on the subject


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:37 PM
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"lanthamum" s/b "laudanum"


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:47 PM
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Lanthanum makes a lot more sense in the context.

However, the "China dominates the lanthanum supply" theory of why we need to drill offshore for oil doesn't really stand up in light of the large lanthanum deposits in California and Australia.

It seems we only buy the stuff from China because they aren't burdened by the extra cost of those pesky environmental standards. Which is actually a pretty shitty way of obtaining green technology...


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:56 PM
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China's all like "more like FUNthanum! Wheeeee!"

Jerks.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 7:58 PM
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Need some dysprosium? Tianjiao International. "Our Philosophy: Quality First, Credibility First, Decisiveness First".


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-10 8:22 PM
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You know what China really dominates? Global cement production. We can't allow ourselves to become dependent on China for our construction needs. We must move to an adobe economy!


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 3:34 AM
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Taiwan seems to have an incredibly large, relative to its economy, cement industry. One of my uncles (at some remove) spent his career in the cement industry.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 3:46 AM
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We could totally take Bolivia.

Wait, the US Army is stuck in a quagmire in Bolivia? How did that happen?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 4:44 AM
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This graphic only covers beer, but it does seem to indicate that, while Texas is a bit on the lush side, it has nothing on North Dakota.

http://www.sloshspot.com/photos/blog/full/photo_1246056700.png


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 10:29 AM
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D'oh, wrong thread.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 7-10 10:30 AM
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