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Also: do those stringy light bulbs from the first video have a special name? I like them.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:05 PM
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I'm glad to hear that Kansas radio is not necessarily dire. I'll be finding out for myself in a few weeks.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:07 PM
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That's one of the flat states somewhere in the middle, right?


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:12 PM
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Exposed-filament bulbs. Don't use them.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:12 PM
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I was on the radio today myself, and I even made a recording.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:15 PM
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You sure love your acoustic twee-core, don't you, Stanley?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:17 PM
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"twee" and "core" don't go together.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:19 PM
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I am aware.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:20 PM
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I bet Stanley would like the Seth Lakeman track I played.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:20 PM
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Namely, this one.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:23 PM
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6: I apparently like British people singing harmonies to acoustic strings and four-on-the-floor percussion. Assail me, if you must.

9: I just went and listened to that song. It's a bit emotive for my tastes. Go figure.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:24 PM
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7: If cuddlecore isn't twee, I don't know what is.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:30 PM
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Things which are some kind of -core might themselves be twee. But there can be no tweecore.

There can be tweakers and maybe even tweak-core, though.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:30 PM
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I suppose it's a little early in the thread to be posting off-topic, but I think this is worth noting.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:39 PM
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Twee-de-corps.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:40 PM
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14: That's unusual.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 10:45 PM
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14: Top 10 bro schools. Read the comments. (Also, it is hard not to conclude that Stanley lives in the very center of Brodom.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:03 PM
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17: I saw that list and thought "Hopkins? Really?" But then I saw the comments, which pointed that out and then some. This list looks most plausible to me.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:07 PM
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18: Agree. An example of the self-correcting nature of the Brosphere in action.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:11 PM
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Bros: big nags.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:13 PM
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The best comments in that thread are the first two, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:14 PM
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Stanley lives in the very center of Brodom

U.Va. sucks unless you befriend the (mostly student-run) bus drivers, who have a comfortable social scene. I'd be the first to make fun of the school's broligarchy.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:17 PM
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The students run the bus drivers?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:18 PM
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22: And I meant not just UVa itself, but also if you look a the schools in the various lists, you are located somewhat geographically centrally.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:20 PM
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I meant that students drive buses, neb. eekbeat for instance? She has a CDL.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:21 PM
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That really ups her hotness.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:22 PM
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As if it needed upping.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:22 PM
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As if she needed it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:22 PM
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Good pwnage. I'll take it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:23 PM
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I associate "CDL" with libraries, so make of that what you will.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:25 PM
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Stanley, do you have any warm feelings about UVA? Because I'd love to tell stories about my trip there earlier this year, but I won't if I'm going to offend you in any way. Actually, forget it; the stories are all boring. But man, did I hate it there.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:30 PM
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I bet ari got iced. But you know, when in Brome, do like a bro, man.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:36 PM
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I saw that list and thought "Hopkins? Really?"

Yeah, me too. In fact, I stopped reading after that point, since it was obviously a joke, or else the vote was rigged.

I've never been to Kansas. What's the matter with, or what have I been missing all these years?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:37 PM
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31: Nope. I learned to thrive on hating it there (by writing for the alternative newswrag). Story away.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:39 PM
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I stopped reading after that point, since it was obviously a joke, or else the vote was rigged.

Turned out the guy went and partied in Baltimore after the Preakness and somehow came to weird conclusions about Hopkins. His bros set him straight in the comments in inimitable bro style.

I've never been to Kansas. What's the matter with, or what have I been missing all these years?

It's very flat.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:40 PM
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It's very flat and humid as soup.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:43 PM
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That too. Also green.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:44 PM
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Not to interrupt the bromance, but before going to bed, I just wanted to say that I love me some Mumford and Sons, this song most especially.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:51 PM
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The last time I took the train across the country, in the middle of June, when we had a stop in Kansas where there was time to get out and walk around for a bit, the English traveler sitting near me said that it was the hottest weather he'd ever been in. He was in his early twenties, had been living in Canada working at a ski place, then went to the east coast for a bit and was on the way to LA; other than that, I don't think he'd been outside of the UK before.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:56 PM
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Eastern Kansas has hills, doesn't it? It's not Nebraska (or Colorado up to the Rockies). Iowa seems like it has hills, but actually, they just don't do very good track maintenance.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-10 11:57 PM
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40: Nebraska has hills in most parts (ask Moby about the Sand Hills). Since I-80 goes through a non-hill part in the eastern part of the state and the Platte River valley for the rest of the way, most travelers see it as flatter than it is.

Flint Hills in East-central Kansas are great--tallgrass prairie. Some of Kansas is dead flat.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:02 AM
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It's not Nebraska (or Colorado up to the Rockies).

No, but it borders both, and the bordering areas are pretty similar.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:04 AM
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And yeah, there are hills in some parts of Kansas, but overall, like the other Plains states, it's pretty flat.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:05 AM
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43: Yes, "hills" is relative.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:08 AM
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Also, if you're buying beer in Kansas, go to a liquor store, unless you're going for that genuine Kansan 3.2%-alcohol-by-weight experience.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:12 AM
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A distinctive and unexpected (for me) part of Kansas is in the extreme southeast along the Neosho and Verdigris Rivers which has a very southern feel to it. Not very Kansas-y.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:17 AM
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Kansas is actually flatter than a pancake. I remember so little that I read, but that piece has stuck with me through the years.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:22 AM
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I had a high school friend with bro-like tendencies (although not full-on bro; we worked together on the literary journal) who went to UVA. He joined this frat that was notable for its preppiness and also for the fact that it was full of seriously hardcore smack addicts and crackheads. I visited him and spent some time in a room where folks in pink oxford shirts and white baseball caps were shooting up, the only time I've ever seen this in person (as opposed to just hearing about people leaving the room). My friend developed a pretty serious H problem and dropped out for a few years, but then cleaned up and finished undergrad someplace else and his life is now totally great.

I always wondered how they could take the frat stuff seriously when the pledge rush chairman or whatever was nodding off, but apparently they all took it very seriously indeed.

It always takes me a second to remember that UVA is actually a public school.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:22 AM
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Nobody did smack in front of me while I was there, but there were acres and acres of oxford cloth in evidence, rows of statues memorializing secessionists, and a truly unhealthy reverence for Mr. Jefferson that permeated even the parking garages. The whole place was, despite being almost a caricature of itself, unnerving, as it seemed to lack all self-awareness or sense of irony about its stuffiness. UVA, you see, is a very serious and important place, seriously and importantly dedicated to the serious and important work of educating the serious and important children of the Southern gentry. Please ignore the smell of puke wafting around The Grounds.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:29 AM
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That said, it was very pretty. I'm a sucker for wavy brick walls. And the history faculty is excellent.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:30 AM
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I went to Hopkins and was pretty shocked by that list. Number 1 bro school in the number bro country in the world.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:32 AM
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The M/ller Center has always sounded appealing.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:33 AM
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There's probably a M/ller/icing joke in there somewhere.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:34 AM
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Stanley, I totally share your taste in twee-core. I'm guessing you like Johnny Flynn, too? Because that first song seemed very much in the same vein.


Posted by: persistently visible | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:36 AM
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51: Yeah, the original list I think was just from a random commenter, it was the subsequent "corrections" and alternatives in the comments that made it noteworthy. The original guy provided this explanation:

chill bros. its a list to get started and evolved. this is a very opinionated topic obviously. i went to hopkins after preakness which consisted of being a great time and unlike many of these posts, many hot broads were present. this was after school was out, and i went to 3 nice bars with probably a 2 to 1 broad to bro ratio. this was my 4th time visiting, and 2nd after the preakness. feel free to submit a more accurate one if you please.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 4:25 AM
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49: Have you been to William and Mary? Is it more tolerable than UVa? I know two people who went there and liked it. One's a Connecticut Yankee, and the other is from Kansas.

I know a Smith graduate who went there for business school and couldn't understand the drinking culture, given that all the B-school students were in their late 20's.

The Kennedys had a weird tradition of going there for law school.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 5:25 AM
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49 is dead-on-balls accurate.

I'm guessing you like Johnny Flynn, too

Dunno, but I'll be looking him up later, thanks!

56: Jon Stewart went to W&M, too. I almost attended, but the proximity to colonial Williamsburg was for some reason profoundly distracting to me. I blame the fife and drum corps marching about.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 7:04 AM
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I almost attended, but the proximity to colonial Williamsburg was for some reason profoundly distracting to me.

This is kind of hilarious, in an endearing way.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 7:27 AM
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Part of the geographical thing is the bro-lacrosse connection. Evidenced by the prominence of Hobart and William Smith College (and following up on a mention on the colelge thread, here are photos of the President of the place getting "iced" at graduation).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 7:31 AM
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Is this a UVa trashing thread? Stanley?!!??!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 7:34 AM
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60: Sure, why not? Go wild.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 7:41 AM
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UVa certainly has a healthy share of stuffiness, but I would be surprised if it was any stuffier than most schools with similar academic reputations.

In this area, W&M and UR are similar. I've always imagined that most schools thinks highly of themselves.

Just try talking with anyone that went to Reed!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 7:43 AM
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Well, you can try.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 8:24 AM
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I almost attended, but the proximity to colonial Williamsburg was for some reason profoundly distracting to me.

A friend of mine did a one-year gig as a visiting prof there. When I joked with him that in his free time he could dress up in colonial garb and be one of those people wandering around the streets, he informed me that the professor he was replacing for the year actually is the head of colonial dancing or somesuch there. She's a Goethe scholar, so I guess at least the timeframe is right.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 8:35 AM
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I didn't mean to trash UVA. It really is beautiful and an excellent school. I just found the Moonlight and Magnolias treacle leavened by the smell of semi-digested hops somewhat off-putting.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:09 AM
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I would be surprised if it was any stuffier than most schools with similar academic reputations

Stuffier than UNC, in my limited experience.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:19 AM
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Stuffier than UNC, in my limited experience.

Not germane to the question.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:27 AM
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UVA is definitely a good school, and it has a beautiful campus. Some members of my family (though no direct ancestors of mine, I think) allegedly attended it in the antebellum period, although I've never seen any proof that they actually did. It's totally bro central these days, though. (This is of course not totally unconnected to its traditional role as a training ground for Southern gentry.)


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:31 AM
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I would be surprised if it was any stuffier than most schools with similar academic reputations

Much more so, because of the pretensions of gentility. In my mind, the archetypal UVAer (though the archetype may be a small minority of the students) imagines UVA as Princeton South. There's a little bit of a "trying too hard" impression that's not unlike Duke.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:32 AM
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One school that is definitely not stuffy, although it has its share of bros: Rutgers.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:32 AM
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In my mind, the archetypal UVAer (though the archetype may be a small minority of the students) imagines UVA as Princeton South.

I think it might be better to see Princeton as UVA North.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:33 AM
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71: Ha! Yes.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:42 AM
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Much more so, because of the pretensions of gentility. In my mind, the archetypal UVAer (though the archetype may be a small minority of the students) imagines UVA as Princeton South. There's a little bit of a "trying too hard" impression that's not unlike Duke.

Spoken like a true Harvard man!


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73: touché.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:51 AM
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This is undoubtedly true of lots of schools, but U.Va. students and alumni in general have a vastly outsized impression of the school's nationwide cachet. (I mean, the school's literature un-self-consciously calls it "The Public Ivy" for Christ's sake.)

Having spent the early part of my adolescence outside of Virginia, I matriculated without the standard awe and reverence for "Mr. Jefferson's University", and the pretentiousness of the school had me all but ready to transfer (to W&M, actually) by the end of the first semster. Luckily, I happened upon a small but dedicated group of snarky misfits, and it all worked out.

And then I found five dollars a nickel Mr. Jefferson's Coin.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:54 AM
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Question:Why do I rarely hear mention of Cornell in these kind of threads? It's big, Ivy, good, not weird like Dartmouth or Brown. Is it just so average as to be invisible?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:59 AM
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Why do I rarely hear mention of Cornell in these kind of threads? It's big, Ivy, good, not weird like Dartmouth or Brown. Is it just so average as to be invisible?

Interesting question. I think "so average as to be invisible" is probably it. There's no shortage of bros at Cornell, but it's big enough and diverse enough that they don't dominate the way they do at smaller schools.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:05 AM
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Another thing about Cornell is that it's partly a Northern public school, and bro-ism is mostly associated with (some) Northern private schools and (many) Southern schools both public and private.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:06 AM
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No place with a dairy on campus can be entirely brominated. Cornell, Maryland, Virginia Tech: Dairies. U of Virginia: Douchebags.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:07 AM
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(See above re: Rutgers.)


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79: I hadn't thought about it that way, but it does make some sense. Land grant schools tend to not be so bro-ish.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:08 AM
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Rutgers also has a dairy.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:09 AM
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Or at least it's a more plebeian breed of bros*.

* What's the collective noun for bros.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:11 AM
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U.Va. students and alumni in general have a vastly outsized impression of the school's nationwide cachet

The operative word there being "nationwide". The thing is, as long as you remain in the mid-Atlantic region (including D.C.), UVa really is regarded as a top-notch credential. In that sense, it's like Duke grads in Atlanta or SMU grads in Texas. But the reputation varies inversely with the square of the distance to Charlottesville or something.

The irony of course is that UVA is AFAIK substantially more selective for out-of-state applicants, so the accomplishment is more impressive for a student from Terre Haute, IN, than one from Falls Church.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:12 AM
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But the reputation varies inversely with the square of the distance to Charlottesville or something.

It's interesting to contrast this with schools like Rutgers, which has basically the opposite situation: a generally much better reputation outside of the state than in it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:14 AM
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What's the collective noun for bros?

A scrotum of bros?


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:14 AM
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84.last: Ah yes, the admittance accomplishment.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:15 AM
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What's the collective noun for bros?

A broalition? (Just like cheetahs!)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:17 AM
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It's interesting to contrast this with schools like Rutgers, which has basically the opposite situation: a generally much better reputation outside of the state than in it.

Is Rutgers like UCLA, with something like a 60% admissions rate for in-state students, and 0.5% for out-of-state?

Wait, I can answer that question myself.

UCLA: No Dairy
UC-Davis: Dairy
UMass: Dairy
UConn: Dairy
UNC: No dairy.
Duke: No dairy.
NC State: Dairy.
Penn State: Dairy. But the NPR episode suggested douchebags as well.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:18 AM
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85: Yes, from my experience, for some New Jerseyites Penn State was the unofficial flagship state university of New Jersey. (Probably more so in the past--I think Rutgers is getting better appreciated, although I think the "campus" problem is still a problem for undergrads.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:20 AM
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A fraternity of bros. Isn't it obvious?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:20 AM
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91: Too obvious. Like a murder of lacrosse players.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:22 AM
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eekbeat's from New Jersey and has a high opinion of Rutgers; however, her judgment on all matters New Jersey is highly questionable and extremely prejediced with a blind homestate loyalty on par with Megan's view of California.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:24 AM
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90: Yeah, Buck's a New Jersey kid who went to Penn State for that reason.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:32 AM
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I have a Rutgers blind spot -- it's not that I think of it as a bad school, I just sort of forget that it exists, despite its being fairly local for me. Dunno why.


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prejediced

Remember: I was in-state at U.Va., so I can't be expected to spell correctly.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:34 AM
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Ah yes, the admittance accomplishment.

What else is there?


Posted by: OPINIONATED MANDARIN | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:42 AM
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Impedance.


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98: At non-dairy schools, the SI unit of electrical impedance is the Brohm.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:48 AM
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BROBE!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:48 AM
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I chose UVA as my safe school (see Terre Haute vs. Falls Church, above) over W&M because I figured the bigger the school, the better the chances of finding reasonable people. Based on what I learned from my sister & others who went to W&M, I was deeply wrong. I'm very glad I didn't have to test my theory.


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A bubble of bros.


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My godmother went to William Smith in the 60's--didn't love it, but the full ride was too much for a clergyman's daughter to pass up.


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eekbeat's from New Jersey and has a high opinion of Rutgers; however, her judgment on all matters New Jersey is highly questionable and extremely prejediced with a blind homestate loyalty on par with Megan's view of California is correct.

Don't make me call oudemia in here, Stanley.


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103.last: Could the fruit hang any lower?


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:53 AM
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However, Sir Kraab's judgment on which letters to cross out is is not correct.


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I think that the California schools don't consider in-state vs out-of-state for professional school admissions, but U.Va does. So, I know of people who planned on moving to Virginia to establish residency and then applying to law school.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:57 AM
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What's interesting is that UVA has somehow avoided the general northeastern prejudice against public schools, from which Rutgers (undeservedly) suffers. I.e., it is almost certainly easier to get a wall street job with a UVA undergrad degree than a Rutger's one, although I'm not sure why. UVA does have a really good law school and a good business school, which may skew perceptions.

89 -- UCLA's admissions rate for in-state kids is more like 20%. I believe it routinely gets more applicants than any other university in the USA.

The Cornell dairy is awesome, but it's the pig barns that really set Cornell apart.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:00 AM
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the bro-lacrosse connection
Land grant schools tend to not be so bro-ish.

I went to land grant colleges, two of them with dairies, from whom I bought milk or ice cream. I can confirm that I am not sure that I have ever seen a "bro" and I am certain I have never seen lacrosse being played, despite being out on park fields several days a week for years. I do see the Islanders playing rugby and the Thai playing volleyball.

My sister's friend attended CalPoly SLO for a degree in Dairy Science, and was immediately and ravenously hired on graduation. Somehow his work on milk protein powders fit exactly with the anti-terrorist theme of the early 2000's (biological warfare, like the anthrax powders in letters), and his Dairy Science degree (focus on milk) was in huge demand.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:12 AM
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There's no shortage of bros at Cornell, but it's big enough and diverse enough that they don't dominate the way they do at smaller schools.

My dad was in a fraternity at Cornell and neither he nor his fraternity brothers are/were anything like bros, so I tend to think of Cornell frats as benign, though I'm sure that actually has more to do with the fact that it was the late '50's. Still, in my world there are frats [shudder] and then there are my "uncles" from Sig Ep who used to serenade my mother at campfires.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:12 AM
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There are certainly plenty of local NJ boosters who hold Rutgers in high esteem, but it also suffers from the weird pervasive inferiority complex that afflicts a surprising number of people in the state. And it's not so much that it attracts a lot of out of state applicants like UCLA as that it sounds impressive to people in other states who have only heard of it as a research powerhouse in a wide variety of fields, which it absolutely is. Most of those people also tend to assume it's a private school based on the name.


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IME frats at Cornell are much like frats anywhere else, and most Cornell fratboys would qualify as bros the same way fratboys at any big state university do. As at most (other) big state schools, though, the frats don't totally dominate the campus the way they do at a lot of Southern schools.


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Land grant schools tend to not be so bro-ish.

I submit that there is also a negative correlation with having an engineering school as well, though it's hard to tell what the instrumental variable is with all the confounding factors. I'm thinking that it might be easier to construct a model around variables that positively predict bro-ism: an endowment above a certain size combined with fielding a lacrosse team and having a certain frequency of appearance in the NCAA basketball tourney might get you most of the way there.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:20 AM
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I was (briefly) in a fraternity at Cornell. It was sort of half-heartedly bro-ish with some intellectual pretensions. Then some of my fellow bros and I dropped out almost immediately after admittance and decided we could have a lot more fun just renting a house on our own with some other people (even women!) who we liked.

Cornell does traditionally have a very good lacrosse team and bro culture is more than available there if you're looking for it (n.b., the word "bro" was not in circulation during my time there). But Teo's right, the size of the place, and its general ethos (hard working pre-meds plus Animal Science majors plus Ivy League humanities types) tends to make the bro-ishness merely one option among many, rather than a dominant culture.


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n.b., the word "bro" was not in circulation during my time there

Nor during mine, but the concept was certainly recognizable.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:23 AM
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113: The U of C does not have an engineering school (voc ed, you know) and it is the anti-bro school. They built their library on top of the football field!

(On the other hand, one day I was walking up University Ave. when I came across a passel of bros. I literally stopped in my tracks and stared. Someone, whom I did not know, came up behind me and said, "There aren't many of them here, but there are some.")


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This college conversation led me to look at the course offerings for the Cornell Animal Science department, which was also one of my favorite things to do as an undergrad. How can you beat these classes? How did I not take them?

ANSC 2140 - Captive Raptor Management and Propagation
Summer. (July 18-August 7, 2010) 3 credits. letter grades. Lec, M-F 8am-10:30am; Lab, MTWR 1:00-3:00pm.
This course is an introduction to the natural history, care, and management of raptors (birds of prey). Approaches to captive care and maintenance, restraint, training, and captive breeding with potential for reducing pressures on wild populations of avian species is included. A major objective of the course is to present and discuss the scientific basis and merit of avian husbandry and breeding practices in species relevant to the course. Hands-on opportunities in basic raptor handling techniques are included.


AN SC 3800 - SheepSpring. 3 credits. Lec, T R 10:10; Lab, W 2-4:25. Alternate year course; offered odd numbered years; next offered 2010-2011. M. L. Thonney.

Emphasizes the breeding, feeding, management, and selection of sheep from a production-system approach. Lectures and laboratories are designed to give students practical knowlege of sheep production as well as the scientific background for improved management practices. Students work directly with sheep during laboratories and spend several days during the semester feeding and caring for ewes and their newborn lambs.]



Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:27 AM
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This college conversation led me to look at the course offerings for the Cornell Animal Science department, which was also one of my favorite things to do as an undergrad. How can you beat these classes? How did I not take them?

Hey, I used to do that too! I think the reason I didn't take any of them is that the part of campus where they meet is really fucking far from everything else.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:31 AM
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teo, I didn't know you went to Cornell. I thought Rutgers was your first academic foray to the East.


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117: ...sheep production...

boy sheep + girl sheep +time = more sheep


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Someone, whom I did not know, came up behind me and said, "There aren't many of them here, but there are some."

Conjecture: in much the same way that, in a flock of hens with no rooster, a dominant hen will adopt behaviors associated with the rooster, a simulacrum of bro culture will emerge in any group of students, no matter how nerdy. There was even a bro-ish clique at my statewide nerd camp. Interestingly, I subsequently learned that these guys were in fact the closeted gay clique.


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Cornell is for the birds.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:36 AM
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Right, Togolosh. But the course gives you "practical knowledge of sheep production." Practical knowledge. You know what I'm saying?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:36 AM
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n.b., the word "bro" was not in circulation during my time there

Nor during mine, but the concept was certainly recognizable.

I don't think the word "bro" was in circulation as a descriptor (as opposed to something people use to address each other) even two years ago. It's spread like wildfire.


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teo, I didn't know you went to Cornell.

People seem to have an inordinate amount of trouble with the concept.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:37 AM
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I of course avoided all bird-related parts of Cornell during my time there.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:39 AM
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123: Experiential learning is the best kind.


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(On the other hand, one day I was walking up University Ave. when I came across a passel of bros. I literally stopped in my tracks and stared. Someone, whom I did not know, came up behind me and said, "There aren't many of them here, but there are some.")

Can you pin down what it was exactly about these guys that made them instantly recognizables as "bros"?


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My dad was in a fraternity at Chicago, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't terribly bro-ish.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 11:53 AM
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Oh teo, if you have the chance, you should absolutely take classes like that. In retrospect, all my dumb regular classes blend together, and only Tractor Driving stands out. When are you going to get to do stuff like that again? Overcome your radius!


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128: Baseball caps? Jockish backslappery? Loudish jollisome "Oh yeah!" shouts? Vaguely bland and athletic American Boy looks?


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129: Important data point, for others, since neb knows, but the University Ave. I was walking up is home to several U of C frathouses.


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131: Helpful!


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132: Weren't they officially discouraged or something? Or maybe just not officially recognized? I remember the U of C having a particular attitude toward the few frats there were, but I can't think of what it was.


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only Tractor Driving stands out

I think I'm in luuuuv.

Where I come from, tractor driving is more something for grade school than college.


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125: Bro, I had been on Unfogged for all of 5 minutes at that point. (Seriously, I think the first comment I ever made was about a week before that.) Besides, once a person has seen you in that ranger hat, all other associations go by the wayside.


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&*^%*&%*&%^*&%^*&^))#@ flight delays.
The Indianapolis airport concourse is not where I wanted to spend 7 extra hours of my vacation.
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Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 12:34 PM
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I don't think I got enough credit on facebook when I made my status "is really enjoying Dudish historian Brosephus' *The Wars of the Dudes*. He's just gotten to the part where the Romans are about to enter Brasada". (Or something like that.)


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138: Brotastic, dude!


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138: Is that when the Dudes commit mass brewicide?


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Non-bro question. Does anyone know anything practical about acupuncture? Has anyone tried it?

I'm not all that interested in the Traditional Chinese Medicine stuff or the Japanese variations or modern distal techniques. I'm just wondering whether it helps anybody.

They are offering it community-style to clients at my work. I know one client whose headaches and backache seem to have been helped by a couple of treatments. (This is good, because all that the doctors say when he complains of back pain is: lose weight. And I'm not sure that he can do that without more instruction.)

I tried it for sunburn, and it may have irritated it initially but ultimately healed it faster. When the clients don't show up, I could get it for free or else I could pay about $15-$35 per session to get it at a clinic.

I'd like to find a way to help with headaches and fatigue. Of course, remembering to use my CPAP all the time is probably the thing that would help the most with fatigue, but I'm up for things to do in addition to that.

Apparently there was some study which suggested that real acupuncture was kind of effective on headaches as was sham acupuncture, though slightly less (even when patients realized which was sham), and both were more effective than the do nothing business.

Anyone have any stories?

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140: Brospehus went down with enough Smirnoffs that he didn't get iced once.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 1:08 PM
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I've had good results with inacupuncture.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 1:09 PM
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Brosephus' *The Wars of the Dudes*

I heard it's just full of bromides.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 1:11 PM
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I heard it's just full of bromides.

But recall that the brofession of historian was very much in its infancy at the time. And Brosephus is certainly one of the most brominent of his peer group.


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145: "peer group" s/b "beer group"


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 1:29 PM
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Sure, but compare the insights contained already in such Greek works as Jerks and Dudes (technically not a work of history, admittedly) and the Anabolics.


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148: Nor should we forget the sororities paradox.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 1:31 PM
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The one so memorably controverted by Dorothy Parker, I presume you mean?


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113: an endowment above a certain size
Oh, now you're just bragging.

I always think of the bro/brah/Chet stereotype in terms of their almost fetishistic adherence to the wearing of white baseball caps. It's virtually guaranteed that when you see a white baseball cap (at least around here), you will find a grinning, empty-eyed fool underneath it, waiting to ice a bro.

The U of M has at least its share of that type, but since it is a big land grant school, they're hardly the dominant force on campus. Most annoying, yes, but not dominant outside of frat row.


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116 is great.


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141: I've done it for back and neck pain, with generally good results. The guy who I went to leaves you for 30 minutes under a little red light like they use for keeping fries warm, so you end up all radiantly toasted up and down your spine, which has to help.


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149: Do you allude to the line about all the Vassar (?) undergrads being laid end to end?


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Yeah—though I've heard it with many different female undergrads being the object of derision.

The paradox in its classical form of course being that to lay any one, or two, or three of them is not surprising, but it would be surprising if they were all laid end to end.


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150: One of my favorite TAs commented that at his undergrad U., they referred to the fratty dudes as "White Hats", remarking on one occasion something to the effect of, "They don't have to be wearing white hats to be White Hats." I tried to get the term to catch on, but it never really stuck.


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Wikiquote seems to think it's the female attendees of the Yale prom. I suppose that by tradition they would have mostly come from Vassar? The folkways of the Ivies and Seven Sisters are mostly opaque to me.


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"White Hat" has a different connotation in other fields of endeavor.


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The paradox in its classical form of course being that to lay any one, or two, or three of them is not surprising, but it would be surprising if they were all laid end to end.

Surely the saw does not imply simultaneity.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 1:53 PM
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Q: Which dinosaur caused the Ice Age?

A: Bro-ntosaurus.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 1:54 PM
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Don't let's be a spoilsport, Minivet.


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Wikiquote seems to think it's the female attendees of the Yale prom. I suppose that by tradition they would have mostly come from Vassar? The folkways of the Ivies and Seven Sisters are mostly opaque to me.

That seems like a long way to go to a prom, but I guess nothing is close to Poughkeepsie.

Does the Mineshaft contain Yale graduates? The overrepresentation of Chicago and Cornell does seem to make some kind of cultural sense.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:01 PM
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Are there more than 2 Cornell alums who've been identified? I'm merely a legacy-didn't-want-to-be.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:05 PM
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Even one Cornell alum is overrepresentation.


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I think there are more than have been identified. I'm not sure if I've said here that it's where I got my graduate degree, but it is.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:07 PM
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The overrepresentation of Chicago and Cornell does seem to make some kind of cultural sense.

Places that admit (for somewhat different reasons) smart but slightly lazy weirdos?

As far as I know, Teo and I are the only regulars here with a Cornell connection. I feel like every other person has some connection to the University of Chicago (incidentally, this has caused me to discard my longstanding vague Milton Friedman-inspired prejdudice against the U of C).


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Is it theoretically possible to go back in time to change the state of my knowledge when writing 165 to reflect the knowledge I didn't have when posting but gained after reading 164? I think maybe essear's physics degree could help with this.


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Places that admit (for somewhat different reasons) smart but slightly lazy weirdos?

I took it that he was calling us a bunch of asocial sheepfuckers.


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167 hereby retracted.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:16 PM
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Is it theoretically possible to go back in time

Sorry, no. The next best thing is the phrase "x was cross-posted with y", I think.


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...retracted on account of excessive ratio of obnoxious:funny, and also because the implied targets are undeserving of it.


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It's theoretically possible to go into the database and edit comments, but I bill out at $400/hr.


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Sorry, no.

God damn it. I knew I didn't want to talk to a scientist, ya'll motherfuckers lying and getting me pissed.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:21 PM
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I am glad to know that KR believes that I do not fuck sheep.


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So there are all these magpies around here that keep being really loud and chasing each other and interrupting outdoor discussions and meals and talks. And I keep searching for a way to complete the joke "Fucking magpies, how do they x?", but then I realize probably no one I'm talking to would get the reference anyway.


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How do they chirp?


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Not bad, nameless person.


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One of my favorite TAs commented that at his undergrad U., they referred to the fratty dudes as "White Hats", remarking on one occasion something to the effect of, "They don't have to be wearing white hats to be White Hats." I tried to get the term to catch on, but it never really stuck.

My dad once went to a function where the big donors wore blue crab stickers. He then went on to call fancy marylanders "blue crabs" for about the next 10 years. I was kind of hoping that would catch on.


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Pater went to Yale, mother and her two sisters to Vassar. One uncle went to Cornell, One to Hopkins, One to Williams. All played lacrosse. This was in the before time, when bros had not yet been dreamed of.


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Does the Mineshaft contain Yale graduates?

There's at least one I can think of. (Not me.)


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:41 PM
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The hunt is on!


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179: I remember noticing that someone pretty clearly implied that they had in a recent thread (not sure if it was grad or undergrad).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:49 PM
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181: Pro tip: Someone commenting as George W. Bush is probably not the actual former president.


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182: Yah, the fucker ought to go to yail.


Posted by: Opinionated Swede | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 2:58 PM
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On the internet, no one knows you're a dog


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I am also aware of at least one Yale alum here, probably the same one Blume knows.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 3:39 PM
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I've said this before, although I don't remember if it was here, but Chicago:Unfogged::Cornell:EotAW. (I am so banned.)


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It was here.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 3:46 PM
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Thanks.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 4:11 PM
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For instance here (followed by essear on his doctorate).


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"Exposed-filament bulbs. Don't use them."

they are quite steampunk.

the southern prep thing is pretty funny, since it seems to be in emulation of northeastern wasps and kennedies who are the surely not popular in the south.


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southwest kansas (where i visited my dad's grandad when he was still around to watch cmt) is rather hilly.

the place that i always find weird is the random-tree and very small hills of missouri


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"I always think of the bro/brah/Chet stereotype in terms of their almost fetishistic adherence to the wearing of white baseball caps. It's virtually guaranteed that when you see a white baseball cap (at least around here), you will find a grinning, empty-eyed fool underneath it, waiting to ice a bro."

i had a white lacrosse hat, and my suitemate later told me he thought he would hate me when he saw that.
I think we used the term 'brah' more than 'bro', however.


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I feel like every other person has some connection to the University of Chicago

I think there are more than a few H-v-rdians here as well, tbh, but it may not be so apparent.


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Hiverdians for a Hivemind.


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I think there are more than a few H-v-rdians here as well, tbh, but it may not be so apparent.

Yes, quite a few, but not as many as there once were.


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195: Really? Not that the alma mater matters, but I didn't know that.


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Several of the early commenters who have left for various reasons had crimson associations.


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"Several" might be an exaggeration, but at least a couple.


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Imagine my excitement when I saw the word "crimson" and immediately thought of King Crimson.


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OK, I'm imagining it; now what?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 6:32 PM
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Now think for yourself.


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Ok, I'm thinking for myself. What do I do now?


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What's up with Crimson lately, anyway? I haven't checked in on them for a while. New trio? More Construkction of Light type stuff? I will check!

I wish Jeff Beck would come out with a new album.


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No Best Friends for this generation of kids.

"Imagine the implication for romantic relationships." one shrink says. Don't haveta, Huxley wrote a book.

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Further to 203.1: Hm. This is not your usual band, and not your usual form of PR.


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Adrian Belew: "King Crimson is on leave right now for an indeterminate amount of time. It's up to Robert really. Everybody's just waiting for Robert to say he wants to do something (laughs)."


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206: Yeah, that's pretty much what it sounds like. Can I sigh? I mean. Well, alright, that's fine, whatever, same as it ever was, after all, but *you know what*?

I heard an acoustic version of some Crimson song performed solo by Belew a year or so that was freaking fantastic. Something live in Brazil or something? Heard on the radio, so heard in passing, so I don't remember the details, but look: this is heretical, but does Crimson need Robert in order to do things?

It might be better just to follow Belew, say. The Vicar can run around willy-nilly, and the orange eyebrow (an old diary on the old Discipline Global Mobile site) can do as it pleases, which is fine, and they can announce themselves if and when the time comes.

(/end exasperation)


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I am familiar with the use of "White Hat" described in 155.

I may be 185. (Though I can think of one other.)


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 7:39 PM
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Heh. I hadn't actually clicked through to the interview linked in 206. Yay, Adrian.


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I may be 185.

Indeed you are. There's probably someone else I'm forgetting.


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I know that the conversation has moved on from UVA, but I remember looking, and being deeply disappointed to find that in their campus store, they didn't offer hand-embroidered University of Virginia sneakers.

I'd buy a pair! What else could so clearly say "I threw my life away out of spite?"


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like Rutgers, which has basically the opposite situation: a generally much better reputation outside of the state than in it

Berkeley's got an odd reputation in a similar way in that sure, people think of it as a good school in the US, but people from outside the US seem to be much more impressed. Also, Americans tend to associate the city with crazy radicals and non-Americans tend to associate it just with the University.

Also, also, quite a few people in the US don't realize that California, as it's known in most sports events, and Berkeley are the same school. I suspect this helps Berkeley limit the damage to the academic reputation when the revenue sports teams are hit with penalties, but I think the California name just goes back to when there was only one campus long ago.


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I may be 185. (Though I can think of one other.)

You're the one I meant, too.

There are at least three people here who went to Wash U as undergrads. Four if you count bitchphd.


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n.b., the word "bro" was not in circulation during my time there

Nor during mine, but the concept was certainly recognizable.

Kind of like with that Moliere character.


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Both of the first two sentences in 215 should have been in italics.


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Both of the first two sentences in 215 should have been in italics.

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Fixed!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 9:09 PM
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I knew it would be more fun for someone to not post a correction to my posted correction.


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"I am Timmy, boss of all the foxes and bears."

Watching Herzog's Grizzly Man

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:16 PM
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Kind of like with that Moliere character.

The one who had been speaking brose all his life without knowing?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-16-10 10:23 PM
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I also went to Cornell - just a year apart from teo, it's been worked out. I think the statement about the non-dominance of frats/bros is correct.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-17-10 6:31 AM
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