Re: And that, friends, is why there's an analogy ban.

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I'm trying to imagine how entrapment into child pornography would work. An online fed goes "hey dude, this is totally messed up" and links a 1-gig torrent?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 12- 2-10 9:03 PM
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Comparing entrapment of a potential terrorist with entrapment of a potential child abuser is like comparing apples to a different type of apples or maybe apples to a whole different type of fruit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 2-10 9:12 PM
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1: Take a look at the facts section in Jacobson v. United States. "There followed over the next 2 1/2 years repeated efforts by two Government agencies, through five fictitious organizations and a bogus pen pal, to explore petitioner's willingness to break the new law by ordering sexually explicit photographs of children through the mail." 503 U.S. 540, 543 (1992)


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 12- 2-10 9:56 PM
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Wow.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 12- 2-10 10:01 PM
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Yeah, what widget said. I thought it was non-controversial that a lot of child pornography cases proceed via means that are at least near the entrapment end of the spectrum. But I guess not? I'm not sure what the OP is trying to say, honestly.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 12- 2-10 10:36 PM
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5: I'm supposed to try to say something now? Sheesh. Talk about moving the goalposts.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 2-10 10:51 PM
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There's a whole TV show about entrapment of people, who aren't doing anything wrong otherwise, into demonstrating their intent to commit some sort of molestation. I didn't think entrapment into pornography would be a fruitful endeavor for the government, but since the crime just consists of "have certain pictures on one's computer", it wouldn't be too hard to take someone down with little involvement by them.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12- 2-10 11:01 PM
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Yes to 3 and 5. Also, iirc, Jacobson, which is a child pornography case, is the leading case on the entrapment defense. So, if you want to talk about the law of entrapment, you kind of have to do it by analogy to a child pornography case.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 12:08 AM
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It's why I don't listen to call-in-shows, also. Listening to people no more informed than I am on some topic (and frequently much less so) run on about it with the combination of ignorance and smugness that call-in shows always seem to select is a special kind of torture. I don't know if I'd choose it over waterboarding, but I'd definitely give it some thought.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:22 AM
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no more informed than I am on some topic (and frequently much less so)

I resemble that remark.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:39 AM
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9. And yet you're here.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:39 AM
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6: banned analogy. If you try to move the goalposts they might topple, and somebody could get killed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:44 AM
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7: It's not a whole show, at least it wasn't the last time I watched network TV with any regularity. It was just the odd episode of Dateline NBC.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:46 AM
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It's a whole show.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:47 AM
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A friend of a friend was on that show!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:50 AM
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15: Was the FOAF caught?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:53 AM
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16: indeed he was. Pled guilty, quit the band, had to register. The whole shebang.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 7:55 AM
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#11. Here I can't hear the voices (except for the ones in my head).

Even better (where better is much worse) than talk radio is BlogTalkRadio which combines the triviality of blogs with the power of radio!

Stanley, here's your chance to take "Ask the Mineshaft" to the air internet.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:00 AM
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17: Did you ask him how the cookies tasted?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:01 AM
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As Warholian 15 minutes of fame go, that's a pretty lousy one to get.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:02 AM
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I only watched TCAP once or twice (out of morbid curiousity), and found it rather unsettling. Seeing socially maladjusted creeps ruin their lives over something that isn't the worst thing they could be doing is not very entertaining.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:06 AM
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20: ah, he had like 20 minutes, easy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:08 AM
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20: I'm going to go with painting my name on the side of the polar bears at the zoo.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:10 AM
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As loath as I am to engage in the kind of rigid value judgment that so plagues this blog and the Internet in general, but I cannot think of a non-total-dickwad explanation for the vehicle next to mine in the parking garage this morning--a black Cadillac Escalade extended cab pickup truck.
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:10 AM
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24: GM clears $10k or so on every one of those. They don't make money on what sane people buy because GM doesn't make used Accords.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:13 AM
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24: one of these?

Maybe they need to haul gold bullion around. Or bride-cows.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:13 AM
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26: Yep, that would be the one.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:16 AM
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Wow, it even comes in a "Crew Cab" model (full 2nd row of seats w/door). Only $61K MSRP but I'm sure you could work them down to the low 50s. (Hmm, maybe Natilo is right.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:22 AM
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I'm beginning to understand why NBC rejected out-of-hand my show proposal. The idea was to follow each week a different high-powered decision maker from the publishing world. I never should have named it To Sketch an Editor.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:29 AM
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Maybe they'll like my Wall-Street-profile idea better: To Kvetch: a Creditor.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:34 AM
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Or the new Bank of America-sponsored show for people with recourse mortgages: To Fetch a Debtor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:37 AM
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I'll definitely have a smash with my documentary warning about the danger of using too many ketchup packets at McDonald's on your fries: Two Ketchups, Red Tators.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:41 AM
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I don't know what it means that I've actually seen the vehicle linked in 26 not just once but on a number of occasions. Maybe I should move.

(It's not the same one.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:41 AM
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Would it be too much of a stretch to pitch a show about prehistoric art called Tusk Etch: Ape Editor.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:48 AM
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Gamble away incontinent children and elders on You Bet Your Bedwetter.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:48 AM
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a black Cadillac Escalade extended cab pickup truck

If I had a rocket launcher . . .


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:50 AM
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Or my show where the bulls win: To Stretch a Matador.


Posted by: Mo Macarbie | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 8:53 AM
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Wasn't there a thing back in the early Bush years where Alaska lawyers were buying Hummers that, because of some nifty tax treatment, were free (although the sticker was above 60k, the cut-off)?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:03 AM
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I was just entertaining the possibility of a tv show that sets up habitués of social networking sites with compatible partners, to be called To Match a Redditor.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:08 AM
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i think there was a small business credit that let you write off half of the cost in the first year, and maybe the rest in the next two years?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:11 AM
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Kurt Suzuki? A.J. Pierzynski? Rod Barajas? Which baseball stars will appear in the upcoming survival-horror miniseries, To Predate a Catcher?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:15 AM
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I was going to look into a show about the brave men of the Union's navy repair crews: To Patch a Monitor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:15 AM
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I have high hopes for my rom-com screenplay, documenting the unexpected pairing of a former SNL star and a world-class tennis champion: Two: Dratch and Federer.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:17 AM
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38, 40: Yes, the vehicle had to be over 6,500 lbs GVWR--intended for real crew cabs and plumber's vans etc.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:18 AM
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Bowing to international protests over their whaling industry, but eager to preserve their tradition of whaling, the Japanese are switching to non-lethal whaling with blunt, padded harpoons. Find out more tonight at 9 on Discovery Channel in To Prod A Cachalot.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:18 AM
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re: 24

There's an entire class of cars* whose entire purpose is to broadcast that the person driving them is a bastard. I see a lot of them in my daily commute out of London.

* luxury 'SUVs', basically. Huge bullying hogs of things.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:19 AM
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Ah-hah, I find on wiki that this class of car is labelled the 'crossover'.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:20 AM
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47: Is that different in the UK? I thought "crossover" in the US referred to smaller SUVs (like, say, the RAV4), built on car frames, rather than truck frames. I could be wrong, though.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:22 AM
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re: 48

I'm thinking mostly of the larger type, and also luxury SUVs in general. BMW X6s, Audi Q7s, and the US equivalents, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV

The UK term 'Chelsea Tractor' would be close to what I have in mind. I think of them mostly in terms of a four-letter word beginning with 'C'.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:24 AM
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47, 48: Anal crossovers.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:24 AM
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48: Yes. If you need a bit more space for a family, but don't want a giant SUV (i.e. you want to get better gas mileage), you get a crossover. You need to pick a vehicle that fits your life. It's in my new book, To Match a Commuter.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:25 AM
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* luxury 'SUVs', basically. Huge bullying hogs of things.

Driving one of those wheeled ziggurats (a Lincoln Navigator, if memory serves) was one of the more unnerving driving experiences of my not-particularly-varied motoring life.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:25 AM
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Sandra Lee's Semi-Homemade Confections Special: To Retch on Petits Fours


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:26 AM
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My show on useless backpacking tips: To Cache a Radiator.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:26 AM
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re: 51

I think we are thinking of different sorts of vehicles. I'm not thinking of mini-van type things. I'm thinking of big ostentatious things driven by people with cocks the size of peanuts.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:29 AM
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I think of them mostly in terms of a four-letter word beginning with 'C'.

Chic?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:31 AM
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I think we are thinking of different sorts of vehicles.

I'm not sure you are. The BMW X6 is a small-ish SUV by US standards. Too big for my tastes, but it's on the smaller end of the size scale.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:32 AM
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Ah, OK. Then we are, and I'm making a different value judgement.

I imagine the meeting in BMW when they were designing the X6 went something like:

"Look, we just aren't attracting the arsehole market like we once did. A lot of people are drifting over to Audi. We really need to build a vehicle that appeals to that crucial massive bell-end market."


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:34 AM
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Then there's that new porno, Two Snatch, One Penetrator.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:35 AM
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There's always the one where men report success stories back to match.com, Dude: Match, I Wedded Her. (The ones involving more short-term success stories can have s/Wedded/Bedded/)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:36 AM
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Reality show following Donald Trump's attempt to become a guru, Too Crass a Meditator.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:37 AM
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Have we lured Magan back yet, or do we have to do more?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:38 AM
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I guess this is as good a place as any to announce the title of my forthcoming memoir of my time at Unfogged: To M/tch, a Commenter.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:39 AM
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58: You are also thinking of more expensive vehicles. Domestic SUVs are often big and cheap, until you need to go anywhere. In most U.S. contexts, they no longer convey they kind of wealth/status seeking that having a BMW would be related to. The Escalade may be a $60,000 thing, but you can get something just as big for less than 1/2 that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:39 AM
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62: You're going to spell her name wrong until she comes to get you?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:40 AM
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63: I give up. I can't beat that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:40 AM
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re: 64

Yes, I'm thinking of expensive SUVs and SUV-type vehicles, rather than just someone driving a scruffy Land Rover they've had for 20 years, or a builder who drives a Land Cruiser, or whatever.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:41 AM
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67: See, if makes me think of mom with three kids and a husband who won't be seen in a minivan.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:42 AM
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re: 68

But the key thing for most of these vehicles is that they aren't actually better for that purpose [carrying 3 kids]. The X6 and the the Q7 and the like aren't any better for that than any standard saloon or estate [station-wagon]. They are just built in a way that makes them more ostentatiously bullying on the road, i.e. better suited to wankers.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:45 AM
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Don't miss Jennifer Love Hewitt in The Cooch Vajazzler.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:46 AM
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I would buy an SUV named Ziggurat.


Well, no, not really, but I'd be marginally more amused about the whole thing.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:50 AM
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I'm not trying to fight wars over SUVs again [although I still maintain that they are, outside of rural environments, fucking stupid]. I'm interested more in the recent class of SUVs where the divide between their supposed purpose -- spacious, practical, versatile, comfortable -- and i) what they are actually good at, and ii) the _real_ reason they are bought has widened.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:51 AM
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Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:51 AM
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Anal Ziggurat. That'll work.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:55 AM
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OT: The speech Obama should be giving.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 9:59 AM
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Shorter 71: Ziggur', please.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:00 AM
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Christ(ie), what an asshole.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:01 AM
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I was thinking about this thread last night as I wandered the frigid, sepulchural streets of downtown St. Paul. My running gag about dt St. Paul is that it's actually a US government project to imagine what a major metropolitan area would be like after a neutron bomb detonation. The real estate is fine, there's just no people.

Anyhow, that got me thinking about the Dead Kennedys' song "Neutron Bomb", and how it's strange that, within living memory there were still people who could be viscerally offended by things like the US nuclear weapons industry. You just don't see that anymore. The only things that grab people that way right now are taxes and pedophiles. Seems kinda suspicious, all this time and energy and attention spent on a relatively rare class of criminal, not to mention the conflation of pedophilia (disgusting, evidence of serious mental and emotional health problems) with pederasty (disgusting, evidence of poor values and decision-making skills). Could the nuclear industry be behind it all? The quest to answer this dilemma will be the subject of my new television program Nuke/Lech: My Metier


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:03 AM
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Now I'm starting to have Piers Ant/hony flashbacks.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:24 AM
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I completely believed 78 was serious until the end. I am a sucker.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:36 AM
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79: Then I suppose you won't be interested in my pitch to the CBC about an undercover reporter looking into the steamy world of ski chalet hookups, Toque H.: Après Dater?


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:39 AM
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Anyhow, that got me thinking about the Dead Kennedys' song "Neutron Bomb"

Surely you mean The Weirdos?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:39 AM
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Or I suppose you could be thinking of a mention of the neutron bomb at the beginning of "Kill the Poor."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:41 AM
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Actually, I meant "Kill The Poor", but was too lazy to look up whether that was the title or just the refrain.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:42 AM
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80: The funny thing is, it actually was serious until the end. I didn't realize the pun potential until just before I got to the last sentence.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:44 AM
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80: Me, too. I was even composing a retort to Natilo's perrennial nostalgia --- you know, back then, we thought more about nuclear weapons because it seemed more likely that we would use them -- and then I realized -- it's all a set-up for another stupid quasi-pun! A sucker, that is I.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:46 AM
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85: Is that a kind of pwnage?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:47 AM
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I am not the biggest Dead Kennedys fan ever. That would be Mike Esposito of Berkeley, who has been following them since he went to an all-ages show of theirs in 1980, at the age of 14, and has never looked back. He's 6' 7" and outweighs me by a good 60 or 70 pounds.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:48 AM
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Also, weird morphic field resonance effect: The principal designer of the neutron bomb just died on Wednesday.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:51 AM
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Triassic Park: To Hatch a Pre-Raptor.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:51 AM
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89: But his house is still standing.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 10:52 AM
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Christ(ie), what an asshole.

At first, I wondered if that's a common unintended consequence of having elected state AGs - governors hiring outside firms to have more control over litigation they initiate - but on inspection the NJ AG is appointed, so I can only say, This.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 11:04 AM
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I ♥ Unfogged! Yay!


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 11:32 AM
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88: What about that dude who kicked Jello Biafra's ass in at the Gilman? He seemed concerned with the progress of their oeuvre.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 11:42 AM
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See Western PA. We have better read vandals than you.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 1:10 PM
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From the article in 95:

Police haven't said whether the message offers any clue to who might have vandalized the cars. They're hoping surveillance video will help them catch the perpetrator.

Nice tie in, Moby!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 12- 3-10 2:43 PM
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