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I presume the third paragraph explains the fourth.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-29-11 11:19 PM
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1: Astute!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-29-11 11:20 PM
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I take it the fourth paragraph explains the use of the past tense in the first.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 5:13 AM
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Per Wiki, paratyphoid is milder than typhoid, which I suppose we could have guessed.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 6:08 AM
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Threats to use bio-weapons against a seated governor are more Bob's style, John.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 6:20 AM
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My opinion is that anthrax is a piss-poor bioweapon and we should give thanks that so much energy has been put into it. It has two virtues, first, that it is fatal if not diagnosed soon enough, and second, that its spores are extremely durable, so it can sit on the shelf forever. And the second one is a mixed blessing, since anywhere that it's used will be contaminated for a long time. The down side is that the treatment of choice is penicillin, with cipro recommended for those allergic to penicillin. And it doesn't seem to be that easy to disseminate, or terribly virulent. If we put on our socipath hats, I think that we'll all agree that this new thing is a million times better.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 6:34 AM
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I have no idea how the old and new rules compare to ideal regulation of abortion providers but reflexive opposition to supervision leads to stuff like this .


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:08 AM
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reflexive opposition to supervision


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:22 AM
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5:I am insulted that you so underestimate my misanthropy. A Governor, even my Texas own, is so small and petty a target for someone who has read "The Last Flight of Dr Ain" 100 times. Worrying about Republicans is like worrying about fire-ants. You just get the right tools and take care of the problem.

This post really depressed me last night, I kept staring at it. Where did we go so wrong and lose so much? What can we do? Who all do I hate for this? Fuck me, I don't know. But Repubs are beneath my notice. I need allies.

Hit my 60th a while back. Hit me hard. Black pool of despond. Clark Ashton Smith's cosmic sardonic indifference and eschatological pessimism was some kind of comfort.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:33 AM
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Except that reflexive opposition to supervision in Pennsylvania really did lead to the dropping of inspections which contributed to Gosnell's squalid clinic.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:40 AM
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Oh. I should link to at Naked Capitalism. His "Why Not Ron Paul? I'm So Confused" post is at 163 comments and still going.

"And much hand-wringing will ensue on the left, as they try to decide whether or not they like a racist anti-war isolationist who favors a society of bare-foot, pregnant women smoking dope in the kitchen." ...Atrios


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:43 AM
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But no abortion supporter is reflexively opposed to supervision. The opposition is to ideologically-based attempts to shut down abortion clinics under the guise of 'safety' or 'regulations'.

(And now I will stop responding to trolling.)


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:45 AM
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My understanding is that throughout most of the East, plain old corruption and handouts is a major factor everywhere. I doubt that ideological committment to choise was the problem. I suspect that the right person was getting little packets of money.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:51 AM
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11 Ted Rall says that you might as well vote for Obama, because it won't make much difference anyway.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:57 AM
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Or for Ron Paul, if you feel that way.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:58 AM
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But no abortion supporter is reflexively opposed to supervision. The opposition is to ideologically-based attempts to shut down abortion clinics under the guise of 'safety' or 'regulations'.

It's like you didn't even read the grand jury report. A pro abortion governor was elected in Pensylvania in 1994 and his adminstration made a political decision to stop inspecting abortion clinics helping severe problems with Gosnell's go undetected for many years.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:03 AM
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Not only is 7 a strawman argument, it doesn't even look like an accurate description of the linked discussion. Classy as ever, James.

And did you even read the article in the original post? It's not particularly in-depth. Here's the relevant bit:

The regulations treat abortion clinics as ambulatory surgery centers instead of doctor's offices, as they have been classified. Clinics must meet hospital-type standards mandating the size of exam rooms and the width of hallways. The regulations also establish new requirements for inspections, medical procedures and record-keeping.

Hospitals need facilities big enough for gurneys to move freely. That kind of thing would have been completely superfluous in any of the last three non-hospital doctors' offices I've been in. Do you honestly believe opposition to that is "reflexive"?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:05 AM
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In Knasas and probably elsewhere, the new regulations were fine-tuned to make it difficult for the existing abortion clinics, so that if they had hallways x" wide, the rules required (x+1)", and if the clinic had x^2 square inches of windows in each room, the regulations required (x+1)^2 square inches of windows.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:12 AM
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Reflexively pro-abortion people like John and Cyrus need to realize that any sort of inspection for any purpose is valuable. Why shouldn't an abortion clinic be shut down if it can't also perform quintuple bypasses or serve as a three-star hotel or house an impromptu Cirque de Soleil performance? There should be people trooping through these places 24-7 looking for excuses to shut them down based on random details everyone knows are unrelated to health or safety. Only in a world where openly operating a legitimately regulated abortion clinic is impossible will we get rid of the black-market abortion clinics that evade inspection through secrecy.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:20 AM
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What if the Baby Jesus had been aborted because no one bothered to sign legislation at this particular time of year? HUH, STANLEY, HUH?!?????


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:22 AM
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The fact that many of the regulations are proposed in bad faith makes it tempting to reflexively oppose all regulations, even sensible ones.

This applies to other things as well like fracking or nuclear power.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:28 AM
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The upside of Shearer's unvarnished racism in the education thread is that I can now save time by never reading anything he says ever again. I may even find the time to read an occasional comment from bob. Probably not, though.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:32 AM
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I used to be pro-choice. Now, I'm pro-fracking.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:41 AM
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6: about anthrax, I totally agree. Plus there is a very effective vaccine against anthrax. And I helped improve the vaccine process by participating in a three year study (pats self on the back). The study results showed full effectiveness with one fewer vaccine shot. The downside is that the vaccine does not give lifetime immunity - you need boosters like with the tetanus vaccine.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:47 AM
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Perhaps we should form an aerosal bird flu advocacy group.

My guess is that anthrax got put in the budget, and it wasn't ever possible to take it out.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:52 AM
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I'm pro-anthrax.


Posted by: all liberals, everywhere | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 8:54 AM
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From a pre-9/11 article: it is through inhalation that it is at its most deadly and proves to be fatal in about 95% of cases, even with medical treatment.

Per wiki, five died in the 9/11 attacks and 17 others were affected, or a 23% fatality rate.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:01 AM
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Anthrax is really useful as the anti-neutron bomb, destroying land and property, or militarily, making an area inaccessible and impassable. Dust Manhattan with enough of the right kind and and it is forever unvisitable.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:05 AM
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You can become infect through an open cut, through eating the spores, or through inhaling the spores, which is by far the worst way to get it. Early diagnosis and treatment are vital. In general the better health that you are in, the better your chances for survival. Human to human transmission is extremely rare.

My understanding is that it is difficult to create an aerosol with the spores.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:14 AM
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28: People can get vaccinated. Also, if you could 'dust' Manhattan, after a couple rains the spores would no longer go into the air, and you'd be concerned with getting them in an open cut or ingesting them.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:16 AM
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This the first thread I've been worried about my probation officer reading.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:25 AM
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The regulations are ridiculous.

They are unnecessary and are clearly an attempt to shut down clinics. They ignored the scientific and medical evidence on the topic.

But, this is really the same as the Carhart case. The Supreme Court ok'd the banning of one procedure for late term (medically necessary) abortions even thought ALL of the medical evidence said that procedure was safer for women under some circumstances. That law didnt stop abortions at that stage; it just made late term abortions less safe for some women. Yet, the Supreme Court thought that was ok.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:26 AM
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Right, because it was a profound expression of respect for the life of the unborn it's ok.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:50 AM
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16: OK, mister big-brain mathematician dude, let's see if you can puzzle out the role the anti-abortion movement in the US has had in helping to create an environment where things like Gosnell's clinic occur. Because puzzles, that's what countless generations of lily-white baby batter/ova mergers have made you good at, right?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:51 AM
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Symbolism is more important that science, will. That's GWB Post-Modernism 101.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 9:52 AM
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CC: The anti-choicers have been winning the marketing war.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 10:10 AM
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Absolutely, and Justice Mennedy's endorsement of 'marketing' in Carhart means they'll continue to do so.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 10:18 AM
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Or Kennedy.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 10:19 AM
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I'd like to think that the typo in 37 was motivated by having "mendacious" lurking in your subconscious.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 10:27 AM
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MENDOM!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 10:29 AM
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I was at that argument. Kennedy said to the SG: "So this means that the abortion can still take place, but Congress is just eliminating one method?"


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 10:58 AM
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11: Her. Yves Smith is a nom de plume. She's really Susan something.


Posted by: jim | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 11:17 AM
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42:The link was to a Matt Stoller guest post, but thanks anyway.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 11:51 AM
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... let's see if you can puzzle out the role the anti-abortion movement in the US has had in helping to create an environment where things like Gosnell's clinic occur. ...

It's the same as the role environmentalists have had in creating an environment in which things like the Gulf oil spill occur. Which is to say not much.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 12-30-11 7:33 PM
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Right! I knew you'd see it, because oil drilling has become every bit as marginalized as providing abortions.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-31-11 8:05 AM
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