Re: NFL Referees

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Excellent. Always reassuring to know that sports are more important than education.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:01 AM
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Maybe they would if Vegas would print lines on the future success of random fourth graders.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:03 AM
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Er maybe they would care about education.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:03 AM
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Anyhow, misplaced priorities at the root or not, why not take it?

I announced to my lab-mates that I was boycotting the NFL until the real refs were back and they were troubled and disbelieving.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:04 AM
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1: Take the OP with a much bigger grain of salt, then.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:05 AM
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I think this is actually fairly wonderful; this is probably the one union where the members 1. seem pretty blue collar but are 2. basically immune to attacks from republican politicians.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:07 AM
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5: Just to be clear, I'm not grumping at you, right?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:09 AM
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The loudest voices on my facebook feed blame the locked out refs for being greedy. Also, the folks most outraged at the replacement refs were extremely outraged at the real refs for bad calls last season, and will resume that outrage as soon as the lockout ends.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:10 AM
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7: Oh, no I didn't think that. What I mean is that these are all Unfogged people saying these things in my facebook stream.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:13 AM
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Or nearly all. But people who were already pro-union, seizing the opportunity to point out the illustration.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:15 AM
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1. If heebie's facebook feed is any indication of the pulse of the country, people are really taking the NFL ref situation as a referendum on union-busting and the value of well-trained and compensated workers.

2. People are not really taking the NFL ref situation as a referendum on union-busting and the value of well-trained and compensated workers. (Are you kidding?)

3. Therefore, heebie's facebook feed is not a good indication of the pulse of the country. (Which is what I would have guessed anyway.)


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:15 AM
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I'm not a sports person, but the leftish spectrum of persons has of course been pointing out that this NFL referee business is one of the very rare cases in which conservatives are, in outraged fashion, defending union rights. (I mean, as far as I can tell, that's the position adopted by the outraged.)

I'm not sure it amounts to much more than: look! hypocrisy! I have no idea whether otherwise anti-union types will notice that.

I doubt it. And I hate to say it, but Shearer has occasionally said here that he supports sports-related unions because. Whereas other types of unions are a different matter. Shrug.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:22 AM
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It's true. It's all true.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:22 AM
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The Bobcats are 4-0, and will safely get to 6-0, I think, after visiting Davis 10 days hence. What are you people talking about? People still care about the NFL?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:25 AM
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I heard some sports-talk bloviator going on about how unions are ruining everything. These replacement refs are terrible, and if only there wasn't a union the regular refs wouldn't have walked out!

But I'm actually surprised at how rare that sentiment is. The overwhelming majority of sports radio people, as far as I can tell, get that (a) the owners are being greedy and ridiculous. (b) the refs don't make that much money in a super profitable league, and their demands for more are fair , and (c) that however much you hate the regular season refs, the scabs are way worse. People who aren't super ideologically blinded seem pretty uniformly willing to blame the owners.

I don't think that means that sports fans (who weren't otherwise inclined) are going to start singing "solidarity forever" but it's a decent indication most people don't hate unions per se.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:26 AM
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The quotes from sports fans I've seen (there were a ton of emails posted by Halford's favorite sportswriter) have been almost universally supportive of the (union) refs and down on the league.

Apparently there is some clause in the players' CBA that prevents them from taking any organized action to support the refs?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:29 AM
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most people don't hate unions per se

Probably not: it's just unions for me, and not for thee.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:31 AM
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Oh, then I'm grumping inappropriately at le tout unfogged. Comment 1 withdrawn!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:35 AM
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most people don't hate unions per se

Most people I know hate unions. I think most people, if pressed, would say there shouldn't even *be* a referree's union, so that strikes like this don't happen. (More or less exactly the same tack they take with teachers.)

That said, everyone does seem to recognize that the league is very profitable, and so the owners are the ones with power to immediately end the strike. And more important than breaking the union is immediately ending the strike. That's the sports radio angle I keep hearing: yes, both sides are being greedy, yes, they're both at fault, but the owners are the ones who CAN end it and so THEY MUST, NOW, because we can't possibly suffer through any more of this.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:38 AM
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16: A friend of mine posted the following on FB: "While the Collective Bargaining Agreement contains a no-strike/no-lockout clause that prevents a work stoppage during the 10-year term of the deal, the CBA doesn't expressly prohibit a sympathy strike, in which the players would respect the game officials' picket line. The players could, in theory, boycott games under that principle."


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:40 AM
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I don't get it. A sympathy boycott isn't a work stoppage?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:44 AM
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The professional sports world is a world apart: the monetary stakes are very high, and the number of people who might possibly find themselves in a position to work in it is small.

Some portion of general anti-union sentiment -- in, say, the building trades -- has to do with pushback against the fact that you can't work a lot of jobs unless you're a union member. People find it difficult to become union members.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:45 AM
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20: There is no picket line, so there 's nothing for the players to refuse to cross. There is no picket line because there is no strike. This is a lockout. The refs are being locked out because they want (roughly) the same pension package they've had for many years, and that's unacceptable to management.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:45 AM
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And more important than breaking the union is immediately ending the strike.

As you probably realize, there is no strike. Nobody is striking. I wish there was a way to make that point so that it sinks in with people.

The refs are willing to come to work, but the owners insist on reneging on past commitments.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:50 AM
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23 reads like it's from Sideways Stories From Wayside School.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:51 AM
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Unimaginative gets it, and gets it first!


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:51 AM
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I feel like this is an instance where having six separate sports talk radio stations pre-programmed in the car radio is finally paying off.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:00 AM
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Apologies for my repeated uses of the word "strike" in 19. I stand corrected.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:01 AM
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Right now Jim Rome, who is not exactly a member of the Green Party, is going off about how awful and greedy the owners are.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:04 AM
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And he just smacked down one of the "clones" by saying that the regular refs arent perfect but still should be able to get cash from the greedy owners. I'll have to turn off the radio now and stop this real-time reporting/commenting while driving.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:13 AM
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Whoever Jim Rome is, he's probably only concerned that the game must go on. Obviously that's really important.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:21 AM
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I'm with halford here. My oldest brother is a liberal Democrat, but (and?) somewhat susceptible to "conventional wisdom" type crap. He also listens to a shit ton of sports radio. He called me up last night ranting first about what greedy fucks the owners are and second about how pathetic it is to hear "douchebag hypocrites" Scott Walker and Paul Ryan whine about the scab refs. A little later however he segued into some nonsense about how the refs need to give a little too since they make "a whole lotta money for a part-time job" and "pensions are out of control." I then did some ranting of my own, and he conceded basically instantly, but maybe that was just to shut me up. He also thinks "real" owners like the Maras are going to put an end to the shitshow sooner rather than later.

TL;DR: "While there is still some generic animosity against mostly well-compensated 'strikers,' it's very much outweighed by loathing of the scab refs and the NFL owners."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:21 AM
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they make "a whole lotta money for a part-time job" and "pensions are out of control."

The money at question is probably less than what the NFL charges for a couple of Super Bowl ads.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:27 AM
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33: Heh. Yeah, he knows that. I'm guessing he was repeating bullshit some NY sports radio doofus felt he had to tack on so as not to feel too pro-labor.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:33 AM
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A little later however he segued into some nonsense about how the refs need to give a little too since they make "a whole lotta money for a part-time job" and "pensions are out of control."

These kind of people are from another planet to me. I don't know how someone looks at America right now and concludes that anyone working for a living* is over compensated.

*excluding outliers like CEOs, etc


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:42 AM
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How much do NFL refs make?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:47 AM
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Last season rookies made more than $75,000. The most senior refs just under $200,000.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:50 AM
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About $150,000 per year.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:50 AM
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Hmm. I wouldn't object to them making twice that, or even more.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 11:55 AM
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The refs aren't that much more part time than the players during the season, are they? Also, if they focused on football only during the season, wouldn't it be likely that they'd make fewer mistakes?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:05 PM
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Which is to suggest that they should be paid more and paid to do a bit more (although that's up to their negotiations - I have no say on it).


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:06 PM
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Thanks. They're close to the 1%, but that has nothing to do with whether they should continue to have union protection.

39: It's a bad idea to adjudicate how much a person's job is worth. I mean, I'd do that. But it would come out like this: NFL refs should make, oh, the median wage. Teachers should make at least twice that. Sanitation workers should make twice what they make. Waitpersons should make the median wage.

Fights would ensue, because our current arrangements don't remotely compensate people according to the true value of their work.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:08 PM
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Can someone knowledgeable explain why the NFL isn' t using expereinced Division I college refs, who ae accustomed to working in large stadiums, with top athletes and televison coverage? Or if they are, why are they so much worse in the pros than in the college game? Aren't those guys basically doing the basically same job as the professional refs?


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:08 PM
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I don't claim to be knowledgeable, but I think I read something about it being against their contracts. Also, the rules are different.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:14 PM
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What's the true value of this person's labor?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:14 PM
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42: NFL makes a shitload of money, and refs are integral to that. I don't see why they shouldn't make a shitload of money, then.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:15 PM
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link failure in 45


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:15 PM
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44: Right. Aren't they in their own union? Plus, I think, anyone with any desire ever to be a pro ref pretty much can't take scab work.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:15 PM
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Its also important to note that these refs starting at $75,000 are those who have reached the top of their profession. They've already put in a lot of low-paying years in rec-league, high-school, and college football, before they make it to the NFL.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:16 PM
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43: From a Sports Illustrated article from last summer:

When officials went on strike for one game in 2001, major-college refs filled in. That won't happen this time. NFL refs now serve as supervisors of officials for five major conferences--the Big East, Big 12, Pac-12, Big Ten and Conference USA--and they won't allow officials from those conferences to work NFL games. The source said that, in solidarity with the NFL zebras, supervisors in other FBS conferences won't allow their officials to work NFL games either. That means the replacements will come from high schools or lower levels of college, or be retired and/or dismissed college refs.

via Quora. I guess I should look at that site more often.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:18 PM
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For comparison, MLB umpire salaries range from approximately $84,000 to $300,000 per year.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:20 PM
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I was going to say what 49 does. I would assume that the refs who make it to the NFL are extremely experienced and have highly developed skills.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:20 PM
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If the NFL lockout helps create more support for unions, will it also create support for better a better regulator state?

(crickets)


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:22 PM
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That's right, a double better regulatory state.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:23 PM
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My friend's dad was a college ref, and then later a pro ref, and he had a separate career as a corporate lawyer making beaucoup bucks. So calling refs "part-time" is more meaningful than calling players "part-time". It's not just that the season only lasts four months - they can hold another job during the week.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:23 PM
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49: Okay, but I think $300k (per 39) is a bit much.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:23 PM
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thanks for the explanations to 43!


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:24 PM
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Basically, I don't see the broader societal value in major league sports, so while I understand why players, and referees and coaches and whatnot, are paid why they are, having advanced to the top of their professions, it's never going to make sense to me morally. Not in a "He/she deserves more than that" sense.

None of this is to say that I don't completely support the NFL refs union.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:27 PM
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It's not just that the season only lasts four months - they can hold another job during the week.

That's kind of why I was asking, should they? If the owners believe in a market for labor and want referees focusing entirely on the game, how much would they have to pay people to referee full-time during the season? And why don't they?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:28 PM
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As I understand it, the issue isn't really salary. It's the league/owners deep-sixing the officials' pension plans and moving them to 401k plans.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:31 PM
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how much would they have to pay people to referee full-time during the season

It isn't a matter of pay; it's the schedule. Most weeks, there are only games on Sunday (all in different cities), with one more game on Monday.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:33 PM
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60: That's what I heard.

Since they have the public's eyeballs, they should take the opportunity to point out to the public that a shift from a defined benefit to a defined contribution plan is a problem.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:36 PM
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61: But using my n of 1, he was often scheduled for local games. He lived in metro Detroit.

I'm not exactly arguing against anything, since this guy was fantastically wealthy, and it's easy to imagine that the wheels of being a ref turn more smoothly for you when you're independently wealthy.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:38 PM
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I do know what makes it possible to hold another job while refereeing NFL games. Thinking through this, I guess there's nothing you can do to stop people from working another job, but I wonder if more prep time/practice between games could actually help the level of refereeing that leads people to complain a lot about the regular refs. Probably nothing, since everyone always complains about refs.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:38 PM
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Huh. Apparently "a deal is at hand." We shall see!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:40 PM
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401(K)s are evil. They are sold as empowering workers in their retirement, but "embowering" is basically a code word for "shifting risk to".


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:42 PM
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63: Right, I'm just saying that it isn't possible to referee "full-time" in the way that basketball or baseball officials do because the sport is (for the most part) only played on one day a week.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:43 PM
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Also, "embowering" is a code word for "empowering"


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:43 PM
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If we were to set salaries from an a priori moral worth standpoint, per parsimon's idea, we wouldn't have any of these problems with lockouts or unions!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:47 PM
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68: Tebowering workers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:47 PM
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Basically, I don't see the broader societal value in major league sports

I have to side with Robert Nozik on this one (thinking of his famous Wilt Chamberlain example). If millions of people are willing to spend money on sporting events (and more chose to watch them on TV) then they are clearly providing value.

Most of that value is just entertainment, but think about this way:

1) If actors are putting on a play that people pay to attend is it fair for them to get paid out of the ticket money? (yes)

2) If actors are putting on a play that people pay to watch on TV is it fair for them to get paid out of that TV money? (I don't see why not)

3) If actors are putting on a play and advertisers are willing to pay to broadcast that play, should they get paid out of that money? (again, I don't see why not)

So why is the calculation any different for pro sports? The money involved is absurd, but that's a matter of market size, I'm not sure how to make a moral distinction that would let me oppose having people in pro sports leagues make huge amounts of money.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:53 PM
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I think the response to the refs lockout is pretty amazing, actually. The workers in this case are all wealthy men who don't need the money. They're almost all white Republicans. They could theoretically demand whatever they want since they mostly have other jobs and are not suffering in the least from not being paid right now. They don't even have the various sob stories that athletes have, coming from poor backgrounds, having careers that end before age 40, being exploited instead of educated, etc. And still, everyone who supports labor rights mostly people who would hate them personally, supports them.

And so do a lot of people who don't support labor rights, because it is IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS that they aren't replaceable. This will be a useful example in any number of labor struggles in the coming years. "Remember when they tried to bring in a bunch of schmoes to replace the well-trained, well-respected referees? Well, this is like that, but with waiters / housekeepers / whatever. You don't spend a lot of time watching what these people do, but you can be assured that they are better at it than replacement workers would be. And pinching pennies on labor will make your life inconvenient because the workers all of a sudden will not know what the hell they're doing."


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 12:53 PM
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Contrarian article proposal: why don't we create a "Ref for America" initiative to bring in young, inspired referees on a two-year basis?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:06 PM
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72: Really all this proves is that football is important to Americans in a way that nothing else is.

But we knew that already, right?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:14 PM
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I'm just not sure that booksellers really deserve a living wage. After all, they're just undermining our public library systems, which is the real unvarnished good. People get accustomed to having books in their own home and then support for the public system erodes. It's like people who sell books are just serving the agenda of corporate interests who want to undermine the welfare state. Not very deserving of a good salary, if you ask me.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:16 PM
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Am I being too assholish?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:20 PM
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76: I wrote something replying to 75, and erased it when I saw this. My answer to your question would be "yes".


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:23 PM
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74: I actually don't know that it does. The nature of pro sports is such that the exclusivity of the athletes is part of the attraction. People wouldn't be that interested in watching the best 10% of athletes; they want to watch the best 0.01%. So the potential labour supply has an inherent cap on it, and those few who find themselves within that supply can command huge salaries. Then you have the mass media aspect of it, that allows you to expand your customer base beyond any particular city to hundreds of millions.

If there were only, say, a thousand teachers in the country, and most people learned most things from them, on the television, they'd probably get paid very high salaries, too.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:25 PM
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IT'S A PRETTY SWEET DEAL, REALLY.


Posted by: OPINIONATED BILL NYE | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:27 PM
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And 78b, incidentally and hilariously, is what futurologists of the 40s and 50s thought would be the primary use of television.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:29 PM
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I never finished reading JR.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:31 PM
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76: I wrote something replying to 75, and erased it when I saw this. My answer to your question would be "yes".

Don't worry, though, essear! My answer to your question would be—scratch that, is—"no".

Not that you should necessarily be more assholish.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:31 PM
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80: they didn't anticipate the resistance that would bring from the teachers' unions?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:32 PM
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77: I think the important difference with sports is that, unlike, say, novels, sports have the ability to elevate as well as entertain. That should be reward enough.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:32 PM
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I think one of the things it shows is that people are more likely to be responsive to demands of workers for more pay when you can show that the bosses are bringing it in but not sharing it. I think an intuitive problem people have with public sector unions is a sense that the state is "broke" and can't afford to pay anything. That's so obviously not the case with the NFL.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:33 PM
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77: I think the important difference with sports is that, unlike, say, novels, sports have the ability to elevate as well as entertain. That should be reward enough.

Indeed. Sepp Gumbrecht has written movingly on the beauty of sports, but has, contrariwise, never written movingly on the beauty of novels. I think that says everything one needs to know.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:36 PM
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sports have the ability to elevate

I miss Slamball.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:43 PM
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There was a guy who used and maybe still wrote for yahoo sports or had content syndicated there who advocated making an sports equivalent of a performing arts degree.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:44 PM
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People wouldn't be that interested in watching the best 10% of athletes; they want to watch the best 0.01%.

The remarkable popularity of high school/college sports (in the US anyway) would seem to argue against that.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:47 PM
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I have no ability write anymore.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:47 PM
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elevate

Start at 3:00, go back to the begining if there;s interest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98yRuBkUBGQ


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:51 PM
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There's a new Graeber post at CT! We should have a long thread about it.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:56 PM
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91:

Oh hey it's Japanese WWE.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 1:56 PM
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89: High school football is a community rather than commercial affair. College football is minor league NFL. Anyway, the point I was driving at was that in most industries you can meet increasing demand by hiring more people and building more facilities, but in pro sport you can't do that without hurting the quality of the product.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:00 PM
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College football is minor league NFL.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHj-yuMrskE


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:07 PM
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92: Allow me to be the first to make 500/5000 jokes about the title.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:07 PM
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I mean, really. Go repeat that to anyone at all in Lincoln, Nebraska. Or State College Pa, for that matter.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:08 PM
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97: I know those shitbirds love their school and their team, and think it's the center of the universe, but that doesn't mean they're right.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:11 PM
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Full disclosure: I was interviewed for a post-doc at Penn State a few years ago, which I didn't get, but would not have accepted anyway, because jesus christ, State College...


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:13 PM
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I really think the importance of quality players is overrated. It's mostly about the competition. That's why reality TV competitions are so popular, even when nobody competing actually has much talent.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:17 PM
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State College may or may not suck (I've never been) but Lincoln is great.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:22 PM
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And most kids playing college ball know going in they have no shot at the NFL (Or NBA, for that matter). You have to stop thinking that the world of the 1% is the same as the world of the 99%.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:23 PM
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I'm really confused by this whole lockout, as it seems to me that the amount of money involved is really really small relative to the NFL's revenue and other expenses. Is the point just cultural solidarity where the owners want to stand firm with their brethren in the "job creator" community by irrationally fucking over their workers whenever possible? Or is it some long game where they want to shift *player* pensions over to 401Ks?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:27 PM
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State College may or may not suck

It does.

Lincoln is great.

I certainly thought this as a kid. I wonder what I'd make of it as an adult.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:35 PM
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It's getting new storm sewers so I assume that would be sufficient improvement.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:38 PM
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[quote]High school football is a community rather than commercial affair.[/quote]

Yeah, that's my point. It's not necessarily about watching the best of the best.

Anyway, the point I was driving at was that in most industries you can meet increasing demand by hiring more people and building more facilities, but in pro sport you can't do that without hurting the quality of the product.

But you can "hurt the quality of the product" and still have people turn up. There are 92 teams in the English football league, and the ones at the bottom really aren't very good. Thousands of people still turn out every week to watch them. Hell, thousands of people turn out to watch the 92 teams below them.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:43 PM
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I don't know what you're getting at, precisely, carp. Doesn't college football function basically as an NFL farm league? Regardless of how many make the transition.


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106: I wasn't precise enough, sorry. Clearly people will watch even children and terrible athletes play sport from time to time. Replace "watch" in my original comment with "patronise to an extent that profits can be made from them watching".


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:48 PM
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107: College football seems to be basically university self-promotion and student/alumni bonding mechanism.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:53 PM
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107 and 109 not mutually exclusive.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 2:54 PM
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I was interviewed for a post-doc at Penn State a few years ago, which I didn't get, but would not have accepted anyway, because jesus christ, State College...

Small world: the person who did get that postdoc is a dear friend of mine. According to friend, it's even worse than you think in State College.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 3:01 PM
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111: Well, holy shit.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 3:03 PM
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111: Wait, how do you know? I don't know if it's known in this forum what area I study?


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 3:05 PM
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You use your real name and don't make a secret of where you live? The google tells all.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 3:06 PM
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it's even worse than you think in State College.

SRSLY. It's very pretty though!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 3:07 PM
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How many people named ffeJ can there be, after all?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 3:08 PM
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hmm crazy times we live in


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 3:11 PM
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ITYM "Soothly we live in mighty days".


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I really loved our wedding photographers, and I look in on their blog semi-regularly. It appears that at a wedding they recently photographed, the best man iced the groombro during the toast. UGH.

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Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 4:14 PM
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119 is worthless without links.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 4:18 PM
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If they're not drinking rectally, they barely mean it. Where's the conviction?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 4:21 PM
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107: 109 is more right. I think college football is not unlike high school football in this regard. It's not just that few players are going to have professional careers. Nearly all of them know it as college freshmen. They aren't playing for a chance to get to the NFL, but because they like it, the college pays (some of them), and it has shorter term social benefits.

The census says 80,000 people live in my city. The Griz' 25,000 plus stadium sells out every game. And fan interest is way more intense than any Redskins game I've been to or seen on TV.

Now its true that the pros draw their players from this pool. But that's really a 1% kind of thing, and when you say that the purpose -- functional or intentional -- of the big pool is to serve the little pool, you're really missing the point that (a) players play; (b) fans watch; and (c) universities sponsor.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 4:21 PM
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108 -- Town gown relations are always an issue, but all spring as our rape thing was unfolding, you couldn't throw a rock without hitting someone worried about the economic fallout for town if the U football program was tainted enough that attendance fell significantly.

Lots of money is being made on college athletics, and none of it is coming from the NFL.

We have, in marked contrast, an actual farm team for the Arizona Diamondbacks. Broke the attendance record this year, and went to the playoffs. But everyone understands what a farm team actually is, who calls what shots, and how these things work. And no, while I see someone in maroon every day, I don't see Osprey gear outside the stadium, and way more maroon in the stadium.


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For comparison, MLB umpire salaries range from approximately $84,000 to $300,000 per year.

For many more games (140+).


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122

... Nearly all of them know it as college freshmen. ...

Maybe they should know it but I am not convinced they do. Anyway the number who think they have a shot at the pros must far exceed the number who actually make it.


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I think this is actually fairly wonderful; this is probably the one union where the members 1. seem pretty blue collar ...

Is that true? I was under the impression that being a pro football referee was basically a rich man's hobby.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 4:55 PM
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121 is correct. Non-butt-chugging icing is no icing at all.


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12


... And I hate to say it, but Shearer has occasionally said here that he supports sports-related unions because.

I have said I support the baseball players association because otherwise the owners would use their totally unjustified exemption from antitrust rules to pay below market wages. Is that so hard to understand?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:00 PM
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121 made my day.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:23 PM
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Why is everybody so shocked or whatever about the butt-chugging thing? Kids been doin' that since ever.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:28 PM
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119 is worthless without links.

Here ya go. About 2/3 of the way down. (It won't let me link to individual photos.)


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:30 PM
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OK, so Tweety has butt-chugged. Who else?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:30 PM
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131: Holy moly. Brotastic. Brotrocious? (I like the beige linen suit + white bucs + light blue bow tie, though. Shoot me.)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:33 PM
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I haven't personally! It's super dangerous. But come on, how many times do I have to say it?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:34 PM
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75 is somewhat bewildering. Obviously I'm aware that the market sets incomes, and the market's measure of value is divorced from other measures of value.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:35 PM
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I like the last wedding shot. We're now in the angry drunk phase!

Otherwise it looked pretty much like a wedding, maybe with more floor dancing that the usual.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:43 PM
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133. I like the suits too.

The next wedding at the blog almost makes me want to get married. I spent many, many hours as a kid in McKim, Mead & White's Boston Public Library. Now I find that you can have a party there?!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 5:52 PM
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I have super stupid sibling drama that I want to share, but it's too long to type on the iPad, and I'm laying in bed and so very lazy about dragging myself back out of bed.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:04 PM
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If you drink with you butt, doesn't the ice cause problems?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:04 PM
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138: I will die if you don't tell us. OK, fine. I can wait. But I am very nosy.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:05 PM
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136: Do people normally get iced at weddings you attend? I don't claim it's of particular interest outside that.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:07 PM
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I had to get out of bed to help Jammies who is fixing the dishwater. Ok, I'll write the STUPID STUPID drama up!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:10 PM
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YAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYYYYYY


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:10 PM
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I liked the one at the beach, with the people* ignoring bride and groom. Had a little of the end of Graduate vibe.

But as a rule, I have always tried to steer clear of the kind of people in the photographs. Big healthy whitebread professional alky jock or lawyer types. Not my crew.

No offense.

*the people on the beach were my kind, and I know the contrast was supposed to be to their disadvantage


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:12 PM
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141 -- I'd like to say yes, but sadly the answer is no.

I've said before I think the world would be a happier place with more, not less, icing.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:13 PM
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Brother C's wife is finally pregnant with their second child, after years of infertility. (I'm really happy for them.) I've known for a few months they're pregnant.

We don't speak super often. I called to wish him a happy birthday this weekend. Later in the phone call I told him that I'm pregnant. (Haven't mentioned that here yet but seems reasonable to.)

I speak to my other brother often. Today he told me that Brother C said it was weird/rude of me to announce that I'm pregnant on his birthday phone call.

To be honest, if they were still trying to conceive, I would have made a separate phone call, because that would seem inconsiderate. But once you're pregnant, shouldn't it just be "wheee, happy for all!"?

Finally Brother C also said "This is the second time she did this! When she called to tell us she was pregnant with Hokey Pokey, she called on Mother's Day!"

Uh, I believe them, because it probably barely registered with me that it was Mother's Day...Also, they're extremely private about their infertility, and the only reason I know about it is that my parents can't keep a secret. So I certainly wouldn't have had any idea three years ago.

Finally - I'd be happy to apologize, I mean who cares, right? Except I'm not supposed to know, because my previously sane brothers now engage in stupid triangular whisper campaigns instead of talking directly.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:16 PM
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Too long to read it all but congratulations and best wishes to you and jammies.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:19 PM
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And this is their second kid, so I'm sure I would have said "Happy Mother's Day!" on that occasion.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:19 PM
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When she called to tell us she was pregnant with Hokey Pokey, she called on Mother's Day!

But... neither of them is your mother. But you're still required to honor mother's day for them somehow? I don't get it.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:20 PM
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Also, fuck that: if you were calling to tell them that you were going to be a mother (again), then it was just as much THEIR responsibility to say happy mother's day to YOU. Geez.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:21 PM
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146: Nope, that's insane.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:23 PM
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Congrats, heebie.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:23 PM
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I mean, I don't want to do jerky things that hurt people's feelings. But...I'm also not being talked to directly and told that their feelings are hurt. So all I can do is shrug and say "They sure as fuck don't try to give me the benefit of the doubt, do they."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:23 PM
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Heebie just makes all holidays about her. What's next, you'll call on Arbor Day? Laylat al-Qadr? During Black History Month? Not cool, Heebert.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:23 PM
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And thank and thanks!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:24 PM
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Come on, Blume, it's not so crazy—if you assume (apparently contrary to fact) that heebie knew they'd be trying to conceive, then it's reasonable to think that mother's day might be a sore day for them generally and in particular a sore day for them to hear that someone else is preggers.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:24 PM
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Heebie just makes all holidays about her. What's next, you'll call on Arbor Day? Laylat al-Qadr? During Black History Month? Not cool, Heebert.

She even announced her pregnancy on Yom Kippur!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:24 PM
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I know the contrast was supposed to be to their disadvantage

I found that photo a little off, too. Also, looking at wedding photos semi-regularly makes me think that people often look pretty weird in wedding photos. I don't know these people, but I imagine they don't necessarily look like that usually.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:24 PM
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then it's reasonable to think that mother's day might be a sore day for them generally and in particular a sore day for them to hear that someone else is preggers.

Would you be sore on Mother's day when you already have a kid? Don't you just take the time to relish the pampering and whatever else?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:26 PM
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it's not so crazy

Eh, if you assume it's not crazy to hold things people couldn't have known against them.


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158: well, to be fair, we don't always wear those tiny furry hats.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:26 PM
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That's totally nuts, but I'd just call the brother in question and apologize, and also reveal you know about their trying to conceive. Just say fuck it and do it.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:27 PM
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I mean, sure, you can feel sore about whatever you want. But that would have been right exactly when they started trying, not when they would have known they'd have trouble.

(Maybe they had trouble conceiving the first kid. They're very private.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:27 PM
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but I'd just call the brother in question and apologize, and also reveal you know about their trying to conceive.

Humorously, I've actually sent two follow-up texts to the birthday conversations already of ways I thought I might have offended them - an inadvertent first trimester comparison and then a follow up imagined misstep. In hindsight, I guess both of these were off the mark. Or perhaps the fallout could have been worse.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:29 PM
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The whole "she got pregnant and was happy about it when we were very excited about a pregnancy! ours should have stood alone and supreme!" bit is no good.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:29 PM
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Are these the same people who were like you can't have your kid's birthday party because it's the day before our anniversary, or something like that? Or was that someone else entirely? I don't know where I am most days.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:31 PM
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166: few too many icings?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:32 PM
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Too few. Too few.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:33 PM
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166: Sort of - both siblings and spouses were involved in that craziness.

I would never completely wash my hands of them, mostly on my parents' behalf and because there will always be family functions. But at what point do you decide to withdraw your emotional attachment to someone? There seems to be very little payoff to this relationship besides me inadvertently insulting them and simultaneously getting my feelings hurt.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:35 PM
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Not "simultaneously" - I get my feelings hurt on different occasions.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:36 PM
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Fortunately I enjoy dishing about them behind their backs on the interwebs.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:37 PM
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She even announced her pregnancy on Yom Kippur!

Sandy Koufax would have had the courtesy to wait a day.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:39 PM
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I wanted everyone to know why I wasn't fasting.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:39 PM
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Too drunk?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:40 PM
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That must be why this bar is not very full.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:41 PM
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175 to atoning.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:41 PM
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175: I think the holiday's already over where you are, actually.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:43 PM
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Maybe it's just because Wednesday.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:44 PM
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So it's fine that I'm drunk.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:44 PM
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Too drunk?

You can't get drunk while you're fasting, silly. Unless you do it rectally, I guess.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:45 PM
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Maybe it's just because Wednesday.

Prince Spaghetti Day?

Great, heebie. Ruin that too.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:45 PM
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What day?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:48 PM
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The next time it's someone's birthday let's all tell them how pregnant I am.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:49 PM
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That's probably tomorrow. There are lots of bodies.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:51 PM
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It's what day already?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:51 PM
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Bodies day.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:52 PM
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I think during the holidays heebie should send out blue-and-silver or red-and-green (as appropriate) cards that say I AM STILL PREGNANT!!!!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:52 PM
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This bartender always gives me a glass of water when I order a rusty nail. Also, always puts in a lemon twist and never looks up the recipe.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:53 PM
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I'm happy to do that for the next several decades, regardless of whether or not I'm packing fet.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:53 PM
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186: oh. I thought it was what day.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:54 PM
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188: he doesn't look up the rusty nail recipe? I... should hope not?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:55 PM
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Bodies day?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:55 PM
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What?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:56 PM
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Buh?


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:57 PM
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Congratulations!

Have you picked out a pseud?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:57 PM
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Congrats!


Posted by: X.Trapnel | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:58 PM
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194: I'm sure it's somebody's buh day.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:58 PM
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Boobies day.


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195: yes, I'm sticking with Sifu.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:58 PM
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199: I never understood that pseud until I saw Kung Fu Panda.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 6:59 PM
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191: None of the under thirty bartenders seem to know it and everywhere but this place seems to think it is an old man drink.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 7:01 PM
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Sifu is an old man drink?


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 7:02 PM
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202: why not kick back and get them off your lawn with a tall glass of me tonight.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 7:04 PM
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I'm thinking of ordering a Donald Sutherland to see if anybody but wikipedia used the term. Except then I'd have to drink Canadian whiskey.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 7:07 PM
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Sifu is an old mean drunk.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 7:09 PM
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Why not get off my lawn and let me kick your glass goddamned ass tonight?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 7:11 PM
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Heebie, hooray! (Your brother is being a dick.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 8:16 PM
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Thanks! And good.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 8:20 PM
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188: That sounds disappointing. How do you get drunk on that?


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209: Rectally.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 8:34 PM
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The Pirates finished the year without being eliminated from payoff contention if you use the Jewish calendar.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 8:39 PM
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The congratulations are for the deal, I assume.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-26-12 10:40 PM
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Seconding the 'fuck Heebie's brothers' comments, and the 'Congratulations, Heebie (and Jammies)' ones.

re: 158

Yes. I look at a lot of photo blogs, including a couple of wedding ones, and it's really hard to make some people look both natural and good, I think, and some photographers have it (that skill) in a way that others don't. Someone like J /onathan C /anlas is way better than most, but I still look at some and think, 'Jeez.'


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:58 AM
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Someone like J /onathan C /anlas

Huh, he's that widely known? My sister is married to his younger brother.


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re: 214

He's quite big in the 'people who still use film' community because he promotes a lot of workshops and sells his (over-priced) e-book. So I probably came across him via some film-photography blog. I've no idea if he's super well-known but his blog is widely linked, and a fair number of people attend his workshops. I quite like what he does [as a wedding/event photographer] although like anyone after a while you spot the repeating tropes and tricks that he uses.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 2:47 AM
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Have you picked out a pseud?

Hinky Punk? Hippy Puncher? Hanky Panky?

PS Your brother is a dick.


Posted by: L. | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 6:05 AM
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Yay, babies! Boo, weird siblings!


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 6:12 AM
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Unfortunately, I've exhausted the names of my childhood guinea pigs. I'll move onto other childhood pets, but they won't be HP-themed.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 6:58 AM
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Aside from common sense, there's no reason you can't buy another guinea pig today and give it an HP-themed name.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:03 AM
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It's either that or re-use the existing pseuds.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:06 AM
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I guess you could buy a guinea pig, name it, and then give it away to somebody willing to deliberately keep a rodent in their house.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:08 AM
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Aside from common sense, there's no reason you can't buy another guinea pig today and give it an HP-themed name.

Brown Sauce would be an odd name for a guinea pig.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:14 AM
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221: Done and done! Keep your eye out for a package arriving in the mail with air holes.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:16 AM
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For security reasons, I put all my mail in the swimming pool for a week prior to opening.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:18 AM
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I don't think that should affect its name.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:18 AM
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Maybe not, but it's probably good that pool-using weather is past.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:21 AM
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Boy: Huge Penis
Girl: Hebrew Princess

Or vice versa.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:23 AM
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Or vice versa.

Huge Princess or Hebrew Penis?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:26 AM
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Or vice versa.
Huge Princess and Hebrew Penis?


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Pwned and nameless. Not a good start to the day for me.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:27 AM
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I don't know who you are, but stop stealing urple's comments.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:27 AM
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Pwned on mocking for pwnery. Oh well.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:28 AM
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Sorry, 229 was me.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:30 AM
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Wait, no it wasn't.


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Hasty Pudding


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Horse Placenta


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Hockey Puck


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Hakuna Potato


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Stop trying to steal my comments, urple.


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Hooptie Pilot


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Hairy Pooter


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Henny Penny
Hewlett Packard
Harry Pollitt


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Hitlerian Plot.


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Hippo Potamus


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Heir Pressure


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Hanky Panky


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Hermeneutical Phenomenology


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they won't be HP-themed

I don't want this to sound judgmental, but I've always heard the rule of thumb that if you have too many children to give them all HP-themed pseudonyms, you have too many children.


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Hunny Pot


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Heir Psupply (the P is silent as in Psmith and ptarmigan).


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Habermasian Pragmatism


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Harry Potter


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Hipster Poseur


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Helicobacter Pylori


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Hickey Pfreeman


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250: Helter Pskelter


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Huggies/Pampers.


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Heavenly Princess and Hegemonic Patriarchy.


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The Hoo-ha Puba


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Hepatitis P


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Uncle: He bit me.
HG: The Patriarchy hurts men to.


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Higgledy Piggledy


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Harold Pinter


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too.


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Halal Porkchop


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 7:47 AM
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Heavenly Princess and Hegemonic Patriarchy.

Sounds too much like a band.


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Hipster Prime


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Huffington Post. (Stolen from the last time (LB?) we had a string of these jokes. But still funny.)


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This morning, my radio guys' take on the NFL strike was "the refs wanted way more money for a part time job and bullied the owners into getting their way." They're jerks though.


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Harvey Pekar


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"and bullied the owners" - by getting locked out. Yes, that makes sense.


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Hot Pocket.


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Hitler's Pet


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271: By being too competent to be easily replaced.


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274: I tried that strategy but it was a fuck-ton of work.


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Heaven's Prisoners.

Or just name your kids after characters in Heaven's Prisoners. Dave Robichaux, Minos Dautrieve, Claudette Rocque.


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Lovecraft


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Harry Pussy
Heterodox Pope


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Love crafting.


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Henkai Pan.


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Hentai Porn


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Hieronymus Poshspice


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Hella Poopin'


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Hierophant Priestess


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Heroic Panty


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Humbert Pumbert


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Heffalump Pooh


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286+++


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Hello Pussy


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Hermeto Pascoal


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Hermetic Practice


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HP 3: Back to Perfection.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:13 AM
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HP 3: Helectric Poogaloo


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Hitler's-willing Pexecutioners


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Hematologic Pruritis


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For those following the saga, my wallet was returned to my apartment building around 10am this morning -- a guy gave it to the super. No money or metrocards, but apparently it looks like everything else is in there.

I am now convinced that it wasn't stolen, I dropped it somehow, but of course I'm being silly, because the return doesn't change the odds of anything; it's just as likely to have been returned after a thief emptied and dropped it as it is after I dropped it. Obviously, I still might have, but I'll never know either way.

Yay for the good Samaritan who brought it back, though.

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Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:21 AM
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Pruritus.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:22 AM
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May the good Samaritan not be the one who rots in hell!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:23 AM
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296: Hooray! Still a pain in the ass, but at least you've got the cruft back. I get quite attached to my cruft.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:23 AM
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(297: Sorry, old habit. I make that correction about 10-20 times per month in my job.)


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:23 AM
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Hooray for photos, also.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:24 AM
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Helpful Pruritus-editor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:24 AM
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Hitties! Pooray!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:25 AM
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Were the credit cards still there? Had you already cancelled everything?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:27 AM
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If somebody stole your credit cards, you need to cancel them even if you get them back.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:28 AM
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It's great about the pictures getting back though.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:29 AM
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HP sauce.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:32 AM
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I hadn't actually looked at the photos in my wallet in years. It's nice having them back.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:34 AM
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Hitler Phitler.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:35 AM
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If somebody stole your credit cards, you need to cancel them even if you get them back.

But with a lightness in your step and song in your heart that wouldn't have been there otherwise.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:35 AM
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304, 305: Oh, yesterday was devoted to cancelling everything, closing my checking account and opening a new one (checkbook wallet) and so on. Perhaps the most annoying bit of this is going to be having a new credit card number; I had the old one memorized, which was handy for online shopping.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:36 AM
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Really? As long as they held it long enough to write down the numbers, your heart should be about the same as if they kept the physical card.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:36 AM
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You don't love your cards?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:37 AM
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You don't love your cards?

Of course you love your cards. That's Moby's point--it hurts to have to look them in the eyes while you cut them into tiny pieces. It's almost easier just to have them lost and never seen again.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:41 AM
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If it helps, put the little pieces in your child's bed the night you fake out the baby-sitter.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:43 AM
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I guess getting the cards back is a comfort in that it means that your wallet wasn't stolen by somebody who gets sexually aroused by looking at your name embossed in plastic.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:48 AM
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Or at least they feel too guilty to indulge their passion.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:50 AM
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Maybe they'll sublimate it into some great work of art.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:51 AM
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First, they destroyed the world economy. Now, the banksters are trying to destroy NFL football. . Where will it end?


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:53 AM
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At the end of the day this past Tuesday, I changed into bike gear and couldn't find my helmet anywhere. I decided I must have absentmindedly left it with the bike on the rack, and let it get stolen at some point during the day. I hated the idea of biking for any distance without a helmet, and felt compelled to pick up a new one on the way home (it fits better, happily).

Yesterday, I noticed the old helmet at home.

My bag is too small to lose a helmet in, so the only explanation I see remaining is that I rode all the way to work on Tuesday without noticing I was bare-headed, even though I never ever do that. WTF?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 8:59 AM
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Hoik Patooey


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the only explanation I see remaining is that I rode all the way to work on Tuesday without noticing I was bare-headed, even though I never ever do that

Once this past summer I noticed I was helmetless about 8.5 miles into a 20-mile loop. Oops. I was secretly excited, though I probably went slower on the downhills than I usually do.

Last weekend Tweety and I tried out Boston's bikeshare bikes, also helmetless. So liberating.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:19 AM
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closing my checking account and opening a new one (checkbook wallet)

Huh? Can't you just cancel the cheque book?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:20 AM
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I always notice when I'm riding helmetless because it feels so delightful. Then I turn around and get my helmet.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:21 AM
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I miss the days when I didn't give a damn about wearing a helmet.


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323: I would have thought so, but the nice woman at the bank who handled cancelling my debit card said that anyone with the full checking account number on the checks would be able to use it to take money out of the account, so the account number had to change.

I am always puzzled by the security aspect of this kind of thing. Literally hundreds of random low-paid people have access to my credit card number every month or two, given that I give it out every time I buy something, and I don't worry about it. But once a known thief has touched the physical card, it's presumptively a problem.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:31 AM
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People are people so why should it be,
just this one guy wants to steal from thee.


Posted by: Opinionated Depeche Mode | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:35 AM
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I choose not to wear a helmet, although I personally know two people who are alive because of their helmets. But I ride everyday, and the pleasure of being helmetless adds up. Also, I'm on short trips on flat, well-marked roads.

When I have kids and have to set a good example, I'll wear a helmet. But not until then.

(No one needs to tell me that's dangerous. I know the risk and I'm taking it.)


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:35 AM
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Also, I'm so glad that most of your wallet came back to you, LB. Now it is truly yours forever.

Yeah, it always strikes me that the level of security that banks impose on a lost/stolen card is out of synch with the way I treat my card the rest of the time (which is to use it for purchases with staff who see the number).


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the nice woman at the bank who handled cancelling my debit card said that anyone with the full checking account number on the checks would be able to use it to take money out of the account, so the account number had to change.

This is an insane way to handle security. Essentially every time you give someone a cheque, you are giving them the full checking account number - and therefore the power to take as much money as they like out of your account?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:38 AM
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As opposed to each time you hand someone your credit card?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:39 AM
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I'm not sure that she's wrong about what you can do with the full number, though. I've certainly set up online payments without anything more than my checking account number (and wondered why that was okay). This makes paying for anything by check unsettling, of course.


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330: It does basically work that way for on-line payments you make with checks. However, paying your electric bill with someone else's checking account isn't exactly a hard crime to solve. I think that's why they worry so much about a stolen card. A thief likely knows of a way to get money out without using his own name while the dude at the store who took your payment for groceries probably doesn't.


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333 is just me thinking it, not like any actual knowledge. I'm not really sure how to launder money.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:45 AM
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334: well it's a linen cotton blend, so.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 9:57 AM
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As opposed to each time you hand someone your credit card?

Well, then you see the charges on the statement at the end of the month and complain (and refuse to pay them). So it's safer.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:11 AM
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When I have kids and have to set a good example, I'll wear a helmet. But not until then.

I suppose setting a bad example for other people's children doesn't phase you.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:40 AM
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I promised a friend once to always wear my helmet. She still had her jaw wired together, and was holding her cracked helmet, and the crash wasn't her fault, so it seemed very reasonable at the time. And now I've promised.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:45 AM
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"Faze," please.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:50 AM
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Racist.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:52 AM
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I always wear a helmet because I'd feel like even more of a dumbass than most people would if I got a closed-head injury. They sure are overrated as a Magic Safety Totem, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:54 AM
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I always wear a helmet and make those around me, too, because I've got a quite a phobia about cars.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:05 AM
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And I'm talking about sitting around the dinner table.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:05 AM
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Honey Poopoo


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:11 AM
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We don't let cars sit at the dinner table.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:16 AM
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Guess who's coming to dinner?


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344 to 346?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:20 AM
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Given the trees and hills, if it's at my table, it won't be a car unless somebody put in some time with a chainsaw first.


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There is a heartwarming story of life in the town called Gorges in the NYT.

Google 'because incessant documenting' and keep an eye on the corrections.

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Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:25 AM
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shiv told me once he didn't really need to wear a helmet, but he would to humor me (and also because I told him it was that or I'd hide his front wheel). And then he flipped his bike down a mountainside and landed on his head. The helmet had a flat spot the size of my hand on the top and six cracks all the way through. We're pretty sure he would have been dead or paralyzed without it. I know they're not magic, but I think of them as mandatory.


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350: I was talking about general city/town biking. Mountain biking or road racing are a different story.


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I suppose setting a bad example for other people's children doesn't [faze] you.

Fleur and I were apprehended by the police in Germany for crossing the street against the light. The Polizist used exactly that argument. He let us off with a warning, after I pretended not to understand him.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:43 AM
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I don't even see children.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 11:45 AM
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I suppose setting a bad example for other people's children doesn't [faze] you.

I particularly love riding my bike through the foyer of my work in the morning. Ride in through the automatic doors, turn left to get to a door that needs a swipe from my pass to open (twenty feet). On the right is a daycare, and the kids eyes open wide at the proof that one can indeed ride one's bicycle inside.


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354: I suppose you've decided that since you can't set a good example, you might as well serve as a horrible warning.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:04 PM
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Every now and then, put your arm in a sling and put black-eye make up on. For the children.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:09 PM
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And a tight, thin shirt. For the adults.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:12 PM
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A horrible warning of the freedom you'll have when you're an adult and can ride your bike wherever the guards don't stop you? I should also warn them that they can have pancakes and ice cream for dinner when they're grown up.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:12 PM
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Also, you should smile more.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:15 PM
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Maybe I should start wearing mine again.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:25 PM
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Maybe I should start wearing mine again.

Your smile? Your tight, thin shirt? Your helmet?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:27 PM
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Putting a tight, thin shirt on the fireman.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:28 PM
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326: the nice woman at the bank who handled cancelling my debit card said that anyone with the full checking account number on the checks would be able to use it to take money out of the account

I'm pretty sure this is hogwash.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:37 PM
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Here's the truth, y'all: Megan doesn't wear a helmet because her hair is curly, and her vanity exceeds her sense of self-preservation.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:41 PM
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That is, people can use the full account number to put money *in* to the account, but when was the last time you could just declare that money should be taken out of the following account number: blah blah blah xxxyy and it would be done? No. Having the actual checkbook is a different matter, sure; then a signature can be forged.

(This comes up from time to time at the bookshop, when European customers want to do a direct bank transfer by way of payment, and ask for our bank account number. My partner frets, "Can't they then take money from the account??!" No.)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:43 PM
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I can only assume Megan is naked as she does this.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:46 PM
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Close. My sense of pleasure exceeds my sense of self-preservation. Remember that I put a large value on my immediate lived experience and a helmet causes a small but non-trivial frequent loss of pleasure.

(Also, I don't think the risk is high for my rides. The penalty is high, but I don't think the likelihood is high.)


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:48 PM
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Heh. I've proposed to the City that they have a clothing-optional lap swim hour (not all of them, but one available). Sadly, it went nowhere.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:49 PM
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The check has the ABA routing number too. That's crucial.

I have had a debt collector (library fine!) "create" a debit over the phone with just the info I could read out from my checkbook. .


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 12:52 PM
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369.2: I stand corrected, then. Do we all have to stop using checks altogether, if anyone with the routing number + account number can take money using that information?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 1:00 PM
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370: Yes!

Use cash only and keep your money underneath your mattress, and don't tell anybody where the mattress is.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 1:12 PM
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370: Seems to work fine in Europe.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 1:26 PM
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372 to 368.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 1:38 PM
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Fleur and I were apprehended by the police in Germany for crossing the street against the light. The Polizist used exactly that argument. He let us off with a warning, after I pretended not to understand him.

Once, in Berlin, I crossed the street against a red light while a child and his mother were on the other side of the street waiting to cross. The kid pointed at me as if astonished and told his mother all about how I was crossing the street but the light was red!@!!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 2:08 PM
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I recommend either having the clothing-optional lap swim hour, or allowing adults to eat pancakes and ice cream for dinner, but not both.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 2:16 PM
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I've never had the cops stop me when jaywalking in Germany, but I did get both plaintive and angry versions of 'Aber die Kinder!'.

Remember how Giuliani tried to get rid of jaywalking in NYC, complete with ticket quotas for the cops? It didn't last long, but I did once see a cop in midtown very apologetically ticketing someone for it in Midtown.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:26 PM
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You see, Midtown is a part of midtown.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-27-12 10:36 PM
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121: If they're not drinking rectally, they barely mean it.

This is not actually a safe thing to do.

Authorities think Ale/ander P. Brou/hton, 20, of Memphis, who had a blood-alcohol level thought to be "well over" 0.40 percent, ingested the alcohol by a method known as "butt chugging," in which wine was inserted directly by a tube into his rectum for quick and potent absorption.

Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 2:14 PM
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Thanks mom.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 2:15 PM
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How can one swim with a child on one's lap?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 2:36 PM
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370: Seems to work fine in Europe.

This isn't directed specifically at Blume, but:

I hear claims to this effect all the time: no one uses [typical American method of payment] in Europe, because everyone uses [credit cards with chips, or perhaps something more exotic]. And IME it's not true at all. Most of the Rheinland and Vorarlberg seem to run primarily on cash; credit card acceptance is random at best; and I've certainly seen checks used. So what's the deal? Is this just an unevenly-distributed future thing, or what?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 2:41 PM
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381: My experience in Europe is that everyone uses smart cards with chips everywhere. I've met people who didn't know what a check was. I don't think they were German, though.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 2:51 PM
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In enlightened crotchless Europe, they no longer use checks.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 2:59 PM
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In Germany, everyone seems to use bank transfers in exactly the way I would use checks (phone bill, rent, etc.).


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:11 PM
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382: That's just so odd. We never succeed at buying my FIL dinner because it seems like every damn restaurant is cash-only, and we don't carry 200 Euros most of the time.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:12 PM
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I don't think most (younger) Americans use many checks anymore either - I write 1 or 2 a month at most, except when paying workmen or whatever.

Actually, personal checks (as opposed to business) are even rarer.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:15 PM
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I haven't seen checks in Switzerland or France in a long, long time. The ones they used to have were either Postal checks which IIRC could only be used to pay existing bills (e.g. electric or phone) through the postal service and 'Eurochecks' which were some weird thing that combined aspects of check, certified check, and debit card. Their advantage was that they weren't denominated so you could pay in any currency and were more widely accepted than credit cards so my parents always kept a few around when travelling.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:26 PM
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I've routinely used credit cards for restaurants in Europe. Perhaps we're communicating from parallell universes? The wormhole is probably located right inside nosflow's brain.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:27 PM
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I looked through my checkbook recently and pretty much everything in it was a co-pay or a hospital bill.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:33 PM
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I pay the mortgage with checks -- there's some size over which automatic payments make me unhappy. Anything over a grand or so, I want to take positive action each time the money leaves my account. Other than that, the only time checks come up really is for kid-related organizational things. Soccer leagues and such tend not to be set up for credit cards.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:42 PM
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Are you guys counting electronic checks sent directly from your computers, or just the paper kind. If it's the former, which AFAIK turn into paper checks on the way to the payee, I use a bunch, mainly for rent. I virtually never use paper checks, maybe once or twice a year. For years I was using my bank's proprietary dial-up network that predated the Web.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:53 PM
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For years I was using my bank's proprietary dial-up network that predated the Web.

I pay my bills exclusively by Minitel.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 3:59 PM
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388: Astonishing. I want to say that, literally, 75% of the restaurants* on the Rhein and Mosel (below Remagen, above Trier/Bingen) don't take cards, including in more urban places. And, again, same deal in Vorarlberg. I've never lived there, but I've spent a couple months cumulatively. This isn't based on the one night when I couldn't find a restaurant that would take my Visa.

PS - as a small businessman, I've gotten offers to help me take credit cards and electronic payments. Checks are fine by me.

* disregarding chains or whatever, but including small shops selling wurst usw.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 4:01 PM
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They didn't take Visa or the didn't take your obsolete chipless Visa? I haven't run into many cases of the former in Europe, but a ton of the latter. Back when I lived in Koblenz a dozen years ago, before the EUropean card tech upgrade, I don't remember it ever being a problem.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 4:07 PM
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I pay my bills exclusively by Minitel

AKA text only web with banking, social network stuff, and messageries roses.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 4:09 PM
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So, but what do people make of md 20/400's tale in 369.2 that I have had a debt collector (library fine!) "create" a debit over the phone with just the info I could read out from my checkbook?

It was indeed my understanding that in Europe, direct bank transfers -- which require the payee's account number -- are fairly common. I totally don't get how someone can take money *out* of the account with just the account number (plus, I guess, your name and perhaps address). I'd probably throw a hissy fit if my bank allowed that to happen. Obviously everyone you've ever written a check to has the requisite information.

Also: I've never received payment via online bill pay -- which is how I pay a lot of my bills. Do you receive a paper check generated by the bank that shows your account number? Just kind of curious about what those billpay checks look like.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 5:18 PM
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If a debt collector calls looking for your ex-husband's new wife, is it right or wrong to give them her cell number?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 5:27 PM
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It's right. Completely right.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 5:28 PM
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Also: I've never received payment via online bill pay -- which is how I pay a lot of my bills. Do you receive a paper check generated by the bank that shows your account number?

Yeah, I get child support this way. It just shows up in my mailbox like any other corporate check and I guess he arranges it online.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 5:31 PM
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I want to say that, literally, 75% of the restaurants* on the Rhein and Mosel (below Remagen, above Trier/Bingen) don't take cards, including in more urban places.

Yeah, I would bet that a lot of them (ones expensive enough to want not to pay cash, certainly) you can pay by EC-Karte. I've never spent much time in the Rhineland, but it's been the case everywhere else I've spent serious time. (Göttingen / Hamburg / Dresden / Berlin.)


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 5:35 PM
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399: Does it have *his* bank account number on it?

This isn't really important, but I'm curious, since we run across enough bookshop customers who are so incredibly paranoid about identity theft and such, presumably because they've been told a million times that they should trust no one, that they render themselves nearly incapacitated.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 5:52 PM
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401: I'm not sure, to be honest. I mostly just pay attention to the amount and pay-to-the-order-of. I don't think so, though.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 09-28-12 7:51 PM
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In 2001, I paid for a night at a hostel in Narvik, Norway by credit card and they did an imprint. I had to pay as soon as arrived so they'd have time to process the payment before I left the next day.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 09-29-12 1:53 PM
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