Re: Debate Thread

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Watch the game without sound, listen to the debate? Or watch the debate without sound, listen to the game?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 3:59 PM
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Listen to the debate.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 4:01 PM
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Watch the game without sound, listen to the game.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 4:04 PM
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Have a stupid cold and will be required to be an actual person most of the day tomorrow starting about 7 AM. So I am sedating myself heavily and going upstairs to bed before the debate. I'm counting on you guys to do good.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 4:12 PM
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This is the debate where they'll finally talk about climate change, right?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 4:24 PM
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My annual craving for candy corn arrived late this year, but it has hit hard.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 4:47 PM
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When does this damn thing actually start? I went to TPM and CNN, and they were all "w00t, live blog!" but the streaming is all "within the debate hall!" Nowhere did they post the actual start time, as you might hope a news organization to do.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:05 PM
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There's no debating in baseball!


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:09 PM
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This is one of the few times I prefer to watch Fox during a political event.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:09 PM
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Jeez. Not even CSPAN. What would it cost you people to provide informational captions?

However "patch.com" hooked me up. 9-10:30 Eastern. Available via streaming on CSPAN (and some others I'm sure).


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:09 PM
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This is the debate where they'll finally talk about climate change, right?

Mr. President, Governor Romney: Do you agree with those scientists that claim that that climate change caused by burning fossil fuels poses a threat to the US, or those that argue that 'global warming' is just a bogus theory used as an excuse by left wing scientists to destroy the American economy.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:17 PM
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Oh, the fucking baseball is on tonight as well. Thank God George Will ruined baseball forever and there is no need to watch. But I guess I want the team from the city named for a foreigner to win.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:19 PM
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The people calling in on C-Span are freaking me out.

Why am I even watching this? I know fuck all about foreign policy.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:19 PM
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Why am I even watching this?

To witness the crushing of your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:27 PM
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And crazy C-Span-calling motherfuckers are flat-out crazy motherfuckers for sure.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:31 PM
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Oh good! I was already feeling glum for a bunch of little whiny reasons (fighty child, alleged vacation day spent entirely on grading a lot of kind of crummy student papers, realized I had a nice big package of new clothes for me and Jane sent to an old address). A presidential debate will be JUST THE THING to fix me up.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:31 PM
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Football's on, too. Go Bears!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:31 PM
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15 I still remember a caller from over 10 years ago on Washington Journa,l or whatever that morning show is called, who sounded like she was 90 years old and said that Hilary Clinton was a registered lesbian in Arkansas. I remember thinking at that time that somewhere, in these vast United States of ours, an Alzheimer's ward was missing a patient.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:36 PM
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No one cares about your stupid foosball, Stanski.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:37 PM
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But off to do drugs.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:38 PM
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17: Detroit v Chicago??? It's a proxy war!!!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:40 PM
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"Lynn University: Wold Performing Arts Center," according to CSPAN. Is Wold a place?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:44 PM
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Ah, the donor.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:46 PM
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"The school first opened in 1962 as Marymount College, a women's junior college" ... "In 1974, the name of the school was formally changed to the College of Boca Raton" ... and "officially became Lynn University in 1991." (wikipedia)

That kind of rapid name-changing is just crazy.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:52 PM
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Crap, my computer clock is five minutes fast. No wonder nothing interesting is happening yet.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:55 PM
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24: Yeah, but at least none of the names are just two or three letters long.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:58 PM
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Anyone know who this dude is that's sitting with the FL? He's a real close talker.


Posted by: Mentioner | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:59 PM
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Here's my prediction:

ROMNEY: Mr. President, when you met with Benjamin Netanyahu, you failed to fellate him to completion.

OBAMA: I did too fellate him. We can go to the tape.

ROMNEY: Well maybe you did, but you wiped his creamy gobbets off your chin. That sends a signal to Iran -- a green light to invade Israel. As president, my foreign policy will be to proudly wear Netanyahu's critical ally-gravy on my chin, my nose, wherever.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 5:59 PM
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More interesting factoids about Lynn University!

On July 1, 2006, Kevin M. Ross succeeded his father as president of the university. Donald E. Ross retired after 35 years in office. According to the chronicle of Higher Education,[4], he received a total compensation of $5,738,422 in his final year of service, the highest of any university president in the United States.

The son gave a little speech a few minutes, which was a fine speech as these things go, but he looks about 35.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:00 PM
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The horses are at the gate.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:00 PM
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The people calling in on C-Span are freaking me out.

I love them. They are awesome. You can't know what's going on in the country without listening to them. (And even then, they watch CSPAN and call in, so you know they're an off-beat bunch already.)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:01 PM
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For the last five minutes, CSPAN has been eerily silent, with an unmoving Bob Schieffer on screen, as the tinny voices of cable-news talking-heads echo faintly through the auditorium.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:01 PM
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But about Trump's promised October Surprise??? What about that???


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:02 PM
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This is the debate where they'll finally talk about climate change, right?
Only in a roundabout, "what will you do to accelerate it as quickly as possible" sort of way.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:02 PM
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Libya right out of the gate!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:04 PM
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Oof. Bob Schieffer sucks.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:04 PM
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Oy. Now Obama is doing that "I will stare at you as you speak" thing to Romney.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:05 PM
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"a great deal of HOPE that there would be a CHANGE"


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:05 PM
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"Al Qaeda-type-individuals"


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:05 PM
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Romney: "We can't kill our way out of this mess."


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:06 PM
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"those who actually killed us on 9/11"


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:07 PM
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"Lynn University: Wold Performing Arts Center," according to CSPAN. Is Wold a place?

All I know is it's an occult noise metal band from Saskatchewan. Is Lynn University in Saskatchewan?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:07 PM
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Obama references the pro-American marches after attacks in Benghazi. Finally.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:08 PM
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Is someone doing a blink-count? They both seem very blinky.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:09 PM
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42 - Perhaps it moves between the Cotswolds and the Yorkshire Wolds on alternating years.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:09 PM
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Romney's plan: "A path to get the Muslim world to reject extremism on its own."


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:09 PM
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I'm blinky too, but my roommate roasted a pumpkin and the apartment is saturated with pumpkin smoke.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:09 PM
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This is cra-maaazing.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:10 PM
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Romney wants to build civil society and gender equality in the Muslim world?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:10 PM
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Bave, why are they debating in your apartment?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:11 PM
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Only in Mali.


Posted by: Alfrek Macsteinie | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:11 PM
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O on Romney: "Foreign policy of the 1980s, social policy of the 1950s, and economic policy of 1930s."


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:11 PM
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51 to 49. I don't think you live in Mali, Bave.


Posted by: Alfrek Macsteinie | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:12 PM
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That's the thing. I loaded the C-span website and there they were, I assume in a pumpkin-smoke-free atmosphere.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:12 PM
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Bases loaded.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:13 PM
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I like feisty, but O is sounding petulant and making R sound statesmanlike by comparison.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:13 PM
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Obama ended well, but he really oughtn't to have had that extra chance to talk--wasted his earlier chance with a wrong-footed attack on Romney.

Now to Syria!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:16 PM
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Huh. I thought the "Don't attack me for lying. That's not leadership" seemed pathetic.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:17 PM
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Jesus fucking Christ. Let's go Detroit Tigers.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:18 PM
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Syria is Iran's route to the sea? Romney, I, uh, don't get that.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:18 PM
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60: Thanks for verifying that he said that. I thought I was going crazy.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:19 PM
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60: Heh. About to type same.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:19 PM
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Only give arms to insurgents who will have responsible parties.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:20 PM
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We organize the Friends of Syria charity luncheon. May I put you down for a raffle ticket?


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:20 PM
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Maybe the Syrian ports are nicer? It's true that the coast in Southern Iran is not very inhabited. Maybe there's not much infrastructure.

Somebody told Romney that, and there's probably a weird rationale.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:21 PM
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Will anyone mention "the route to the sea" thing during the debate? That was a full blown gaffe.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:22 PM
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Oh, jeez, way to sound like you can just overthrow Assad and replace him with a stooge. That shit has consequences, Mitt.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:22 PM
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The people who are most likely to take over Syria if Assad's government falls are Sunni Islamists, right? And Romney wants to arm them?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:23 PM
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The Persian Gulf is just a Gulf. The Gulf of Oman too. But the Med, that's a Sea.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:23 PM
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68 - It worked great in Afghanistan!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:23 PM
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The "route to the sea" thing is probably a garbled reference to the Suez. It's still stupid.


Posted by: L.M. | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:24 PM
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The "route to the sea" thing is probably a garbled reference to the Suez. It's still stupid.


Posted by: L.M. | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:24 PM
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The "route to the sea" thing is probably a garbled reference to the Suez. It's still stupid.


Posted by: L.M. | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:24 PM
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I'm willing to be dictator of Syria if anybody wants.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:25 PM
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God, Mitt looks so smarmy when he hears a point he thinks he can jump on.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:26 PM
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"The idea of him crushing his people was not something that we could possibly support." :{


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:27 PM
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Oh, now you're going to take Ahmadinezad's insults seriously? C'mon, Mitt.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:28 PM
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How is Obama doing? So far, good debate results have correlated with good baseball results, and bad baseball results with bad debate results. So I'm assuming this debate is incredibly terrible and we've now lost the election.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:28 PM
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Wikipedia blah blah blah.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:28 PM
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STRONG


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:29 PM
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It's just a touchdown, Halford! The Rams could come back!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:30 PM
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What might happen if America were dispensed with?


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:31 PM
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The country's major port of entry is Bandar-Abbas on the Strait of Hormuz.

However! Freight rail, however, kinda sucks from the depopulated (because hella desert) South to the populated North. That's largely because of sanctions.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:31 PM
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14,400 Google Results for: "Romney 'Syria is Iran's route to the sea'"

Heh. Indeed.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:32 PM
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Dammit, Obama, this is a foreign policy debate. Stop talking about jobs.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:33 PM
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85: They don't actually disagree about much in foreign policy. Much better to talk about domestic.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:34 PM
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At least Obama is specifying that Romney's "state" was Massachusetts. It's been bugging me that Romney has been allowed to get away with never mentioning the name of his state.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:36 PM
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Yeeorg. I was BORED with the domestic policy squabbling. And here we are.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:37 PM
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O maybe just missed a good opportunity to throw "government doesn't create jobs" at R as he talked about how many jobs he's going to create?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:37 PM
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I thought his state was gaseous.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:37 PM
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Romney is a foreign policy lightweight. By making it domestic, Obama isn't playing to his relative strength.

Also, I'm sick and tired of the same tired topics.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:37 PM
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Romney really does come off as smarmy.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:38 PM
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Romney talking about education sounds like a Sunday School teacher talking to 6 year-olds.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:38 PM
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But why don't they cut to the chase and whip out their cocks? Bob brought a ruler.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:38 PM
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San Francisco 7 St. Louis 0 after 3. Go Giants.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:39 PM
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Schiffer or McManus?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:40 PM
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Giants! Dunno what Halford is on about. This is a good game so far.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:40 PM
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Minimum differentiation.

Also the lamest bullshit from Romney. so sick of these questions, claims, and counterclaims. Just bored with the rehearsed crapola. Mitt is so full of shit.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:41 PM
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Shearer gets it exactly right.


Posted by: Crytic ned | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:41 PM
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OK, now I'm watching. See, this is where Obama should have practiced law for a while. He could have pulled out a copy of Romney's budget from is own website and walked him through it, proving that it's bullshit.

Romney sounds terrible here to me, but what do I know.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:42 PM
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At least we now know which side of the Great Navy debate Romney is on (team Crooked Timber ftw!).


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:43 PM
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The tuition thing really pisses me off. Fees--and I'm not talking about room and board--are much higher at U Mass schools than tuition. A blog tells me that U Mass Lowell's tuition was $1,454 per year. Other fees were $9,000.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:43 PM
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What the fucking fuck why is Shearer a Giants fan?

Actually, why am I mad about that, you guys have the scientific racist fan base locked up.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:44 PM
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Audience is cracking up at the "We also have fewer bayonets than in 1916" line from Obama.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:44 PM
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Okay, Obama destroyed that line of bullshit and linked Romney to a horrible movie.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:44 PM
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104: it was funny.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:45 PM
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The "we have ships that go underwater" thing seems riskily condescending/bad-sportish. I hate that I'm worried about these minutiae of image but they seem to matter.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:46 PM
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Jesus Christ. Bob Schieffer has now asked the candidates to make a major policy declaration: "Is an attack on Israel an attack on the United States?" Jesus, Schieffer should know what that would mean to say out loud and in public without preparation.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:46 PM
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Obama was totally condescending. It was awesome.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:47 PM
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"First of all, I want to underscore the same point the President made."


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:47 PM
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I just can't think that Mitt understands what it is like to work with the asshole leaders around the world.

Also, how the fuck do you indite Ahmadinezad under the Genocide Convention?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:49 PM
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108: no joke, that was freaking awful.
Regarding Iranian sanctions: we'll do the things that Obama does, and then be meaner. And then doubling down on the Bushite diplomatic doctrine of "never talk to your opponents."


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:50 PM
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111: You don't. It was bullshit.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:50 PM
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Obama now making exactly these points.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:51 PM
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FUCK YES. Perfect regarding American leadership and sanctions.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:51 PM
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WTF genocide? Also you know Reagan loving Republicans should shut the fuck up about apartheid.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:51 PM
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Apparently holocaust denialism = genocide?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:52 PM
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Apology tour! Weee!


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109: it was, to us. We don't matter, because we're not a couple of nattering idiots in states that, by various accidents of history, might actually affect the result, and who somehow are still making up their minds about who to vote for.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:53 PM
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good lord romney is such a fucking cunt


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:53 PM
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Apology tour 2008!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:53 PM
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Now we're refreshing the old 2004 attack of Obama's being willing to meet with our enemies = weakness.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:53 PM
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Dammit. I have the baseball game on and a George "M" Allen ad just came on. Is there no escape?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:54 PM
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Romney's vision of leadership is Bush's vision of leadership. STRONG STRONG NEVER BACK DOWN.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:55 PM
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nothing governor romney said is true

Obama going for it here.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:55 PM
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The only sanctions we do are crippling sanctions, which show strength.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:55 PM
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126: Our sanctions are the sanctioniest.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:56 PM
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We'll always be four years closer to a nuclear Iran, Mittens.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:56 PM
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Mittens is such a fucking twat.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:57 PM
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"America has not dictated to other nations; America has freed other nations from dictatorship!"

Dickwad.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:57 PM
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The CNN independents don't like Romney this time.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:57 PM
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Yeah, I think Obama is killing it.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:58 PM
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Israel Fuck Yeah!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:58 PM
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Mittens really is a disgusting person.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:58 PM
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130 is so true.

Obama is just taking the piss at this point --- i didn't take donors

(our bombers are on the way? wtf)


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:59 PM
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Okay, here I agree with Mitt: "Let's not deal in [really stupid-ass] hypotheticals."


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:59 PM
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Fucking Bob Schieffer. These questions are so stupid.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:59 PM
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Hey! Good answer, Mitt! That was a really stupid question.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 6:59 PM
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Maybe only let women moderate the debates from now on?


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:00 PM
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Mitt has a bigger flag pin.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:00 PM
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Maybe an age-limit.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:00 PM
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Romney tells Schiffer to stop with the stupid hypothetical!


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:00 PM
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"Democrat Senators"


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:02 PM
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140: We must know the relative sizes of other things they have. Bob, the ruler please!


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:03 PM
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Romney's flag pin appears to have a spot of dirt on it.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:03 PM
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It's (a) mole.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:04 PM
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Can Bob Schieffer's questions be taken out and shot?


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Also, damn, is the debate in HD?


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:04 PM
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Romney looks pink and sweaty.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:05 PM
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Yeah-Schieffer and Lehrer have both been SO poor.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:06 PM
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Is Obama going to start saying Tally-bahn? I hate that.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:06 PM
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Could you imagine any of the other available Republican candidates doing even near as well as Romney is doing now? He's getting swatted and looking desperate, but Bachman? Santorum?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:07 PM
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When do we get to the part about global warming?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:07 PM
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"Nation-building here at home" as a segue is getting a little TIRED, Obama.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:08 PM
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Is he really looking desperate? I'm not watching it anymore.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:08 PM
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152: Huntsman.


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153 Never. But a single kudo for Mittens for bringing up Latin America.


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156: Ron Paul.


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I hate how all the topics of discussion here are just dripping with "serious"-ness. Strength! Bombs! War! Threats! Terror! Jesus christ, grow up, you assholes.


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156.--Sure, the moderate Mormon, funded almost entirely by his father, spoke Mandarin during a Republican primary debate, and polled at 1%.

He'd probably do ok debating Obama.


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156: Oh, well then Ike! He'd be great!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:10 PM
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Did he really just say "Obama Bin Laden"? Also "is it time to divorce Pakistan"? What the hell.

I feel like Romney is just getting trounced here.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:10 PM
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He's word salad on Pakistan.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:11 PM
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kudo for Mittens for bringing up Latin America

I was struck by that as well. Didn't say much of anything about it, but still.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:11 PM
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Mitt: DRONZ HOORAY!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:11 PM
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Bob Schieffer's commentary this weekend regarding blackberry shame was quite a bit more insightful than his moderation of this debate.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:12 PM
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Romney seems awfully bad at this.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:12 PM
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Loves me some drones. Mmmmmm.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:12 PM
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Oh dear. Lapel pin arms race?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:12 PM
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I'm not actually watching the debate, but my basic indicator is whether Josh Marshall is gloating or rationalizing, and right now he's gloating, so I figure it must be going OK.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:12 PM
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A Republican is going to enable Muslim moderation. The party that freaked the fuck out about a mosque in the financial district.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:13 PM
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Like Mittens gives a shit about talks between Palestinians and Israel. We all heard the tape.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:13 PM
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Apparently the reason to treat women with respect and dignity is that nations that do so succeed.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:13 PM
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It is really hard to half-heartedly listen and do the crossword at the same time.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:13 PM
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The foreign policy debate always sucks because American foreign policy is so consistently and bipartisanly shitty. It's the one time things would really be improved by having the Libertarian candidate on the stage.


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I thought Mitt started pretty strong, even on defending his experience, and Obama was a little shaky and surprised by some of his lines. And then Obama broke him.


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Special for Jackmormon.


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177.--Awesome.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:16 PM
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Great, a nuclear Iran.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:17 PM
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let's talk about x is so annoying


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:17 PM
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Feel our muscles.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:18 PM
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Maybe Mitt Romney usually goes to bed by 9 pm.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:19 PM
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Currency Manipulator!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:19 PM
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Day one, Mitt will declare war on China.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:19 PM
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I call embargo on phrase "Day one"


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:19 PM
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Wank wank wank


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177. Damn I forgot about the Caspian Sea. Baku or bust.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:20 PM
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I guess Halford will vote for Romney. Guy seems really into intellectual property rights.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:20 PM
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Uh oh he's making the play for my vote again.

Valves! NO COUNTERFEIT VALVES.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:20 PM
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Some valves. Oh, great story! Snap!


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:20 PM
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Counterfeit valves.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:21 PM
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I'm not watching the debate so I ask from ignorance, but the difference between the Guardian's take and that of you guys/Marshall/Sullivan is stark. What are they seeing?


Posted by: Angela Lurkel | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:21 PM
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Wow, fully domesticated this discussion of China.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:21 PM
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China so could be our gf if she'd just learn to beehave


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:21 PM
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Confidential to Obama: explain why a trade war with China is a terrible idea.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:22 PM
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What's the Guardian's coverage like?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:22 PM
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You're a son of something but it ain't Detroit.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:23 PM
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The Guardian live-blog seems to judge this as another sleepy Obama night.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:23 PM
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"I would do nothing to hurt the US auto industry."


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BLOOMFIELD HILLS AIN'T NO DETROIT.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:24 PM
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Romney is so smarmy.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:24 PM
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smarm smarm smarm


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:25 PM
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He doth protest too much. "As if I would EVER want to liquidate the industry"


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:25 PM
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Mitt: "Research is great!"


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:25 PM
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I want to hear more about how great America is.


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204: At universities, no less!


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:26 PM
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Scary thought: what if China got nuclear weapons.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:27 PM
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Sullivan seems to agree that Obama is doing nicely.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:28 PM
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14:26 is somewhat shameful for a Tuesday. I blame politicians.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:28 PM
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Fucking irritating. Why won't B.S. get them to talk about China?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:28 PM
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Mitt Romney met someone in Appleton, Wisconsin.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:28 PM
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I watched about 30 seconds. Romney was talking about cars and Detroit.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:28 PM
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Mitt laughing at Obama's "way too many tv commercials" line: creeeeeepy.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:30 PM
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Honestly, no more closing statements.

Uniformly awful.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:30 PM
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213: that wasn't Schieffer?
211: Was it Cousin Larry?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:31 PM
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Obama's prepared closing speech is clearly intended to hammer on the domestic-policy themes.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:31 PM
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213: that wasn't Schieffer?
I think not.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:32 PM
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Heading towards Greece. That's perilously close to Iran's road to the sea!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:32 PM
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215: Don't be ridiculous.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:32 PM
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Hope of the earth! Torch of freedom!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:33 PM
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Bidding for the senior citizen vote.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:33 PM
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What is this new emphasis of Romney's on "higher take-home pay"? Does that mean reducing withholding? Because I haven't heard anything about how he proposes to get me a raise.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:33 PM
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WE ARE THE HOPE OF THE EARTH. Except for the part about destroying the earth.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:33 PM
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I definitely picked the right night to perform ritual TiVo maintenance.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:34 PM
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224: have you read the pertinent portions of the fucking archives?


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224: I picked the right night to update my macports tree.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:35 PM
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Weird moment: Romney's clan swarms out, overwhelming Michelle and Barack, who go over and introduce themselves. Romney just wants them to GO AWAY.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:36 PM
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Romney sounds terrible here to me, but what do I know.

Nothing they say matters, Halford.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:37 PM
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" 'Greatest Generation,' my ass. Are they really considering all the generations? Maybe there are some generations from the Iron Age that could compete. And what makes them so great anyway? Because they were poor and hated Nazis? Who doesn't fucking hate Nazis?!"

Barbara Weston in August: Osage County.


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226: That actually sounds less fun than watching the debate.


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224, 226: I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:39 PM
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Ari Fleischer says this debate won`t change a thing. I`ve never seen a spinner concede defeat so obviously.


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228: Some of what they say could be counterproductive.


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230: I dunno, it wasn't bad. The terminal menu bar kept displaying "clang" as things built, which was kind of rhythmic and soothing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:41 PM
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224, 226: We're all adults here, guys. You don't have to use all these coy euphemisms.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:41 PM
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I wasn't watching when it was said, but doesn't Romney's "We can't kill our way out of this mess" sound just like what the weak guy in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie would say, right before Arnold says "YES WE CAAAN."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:42 PM
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I love baseball's capacity for producing obscure and irrelevant statistical facts. But why aren't they telling us how many pitchers won an all-star game, won a game 7, and threw to first more than 10 times in a two-year period with runners on first and third in the first three innings of a game where no team led by more than 3 runs?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:43 PM
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Arg. On FB a nephew said (I paraphrase), I'm voting for Obama but I can't respect all those ignorant blacks who are voting for him just because he is black. It is better if they don't vote than that they cast an "ignorant" vote.

I noted that that community has supported Democrats (recently) for very good reasons. D is a good shorthand for their positions. The majority of them voted for the Dems in 2004 too. And that guy was WHITE.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:45 PM
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CBS scores it 53 to 23 in favor of Obama. Talking head calls it a reverse of the first debate.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:53 PM
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8-0 in SF.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:55 PM
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Giants got the two-point conversion.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:55 PM
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FWIW Der Spiegel has 'Obama Dominant, Romney in der Defensive'. Their initial take on the second debate was that it was a tie, soon changed to a narrow Obama win.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 7:56 PM
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I declare: that was godawfully boring. I haven't read the thread. I don't mean you all.

Many of the CSPAN call-in people allow as how Romney seemed very presidential, and it's time for a change.


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"Romney dagegen hätte vor dem Zugriff zunächst Pakistan um Erlaubnis bitten wollen, um den al-Qaida-Führer dort zu exekutieren. Er jedoch, so Obama, habe niemanden um Erlaubnis gefragt, sondern gehandelt."

Go Obama?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 8:04 PM
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I skipped the debate but am enjoying the Al Jazeera International analysis. They're giving due attention to how similar the basic messages are, but also replayed the Battleship line, which I thought was very well delivered.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 8:06 PM
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CNN scores it 48-40 Obama.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 8:15 PM
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246

CNN scores it 48-40 Obama.

And I score it 9-0 San Francisco.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 8:46 PM
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Tonight's big loser: Football.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 8:56 PM
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My own personal low-information voter found the debate very boring, but said that both O and R seemed more intelligent than W, McCain or God help us Palin, which pleased and surprised her.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:02 PM
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Let's go Tigers. Until the world series is over, I'm changing my handle to "Roberto Tigre." Never let it be said that I don't know how to win.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre/Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:04 PM
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I blame Bobby Valentine for everything bad since Nixon died Obama's fair-to-middlin' performance.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:06 PM
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Roberto Demente.


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252 is great.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:12 PM
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"We can't kill our way out of this mess

Romney said that? Seems kind of un-American.

I missed the debate because I was up late working on a last minute/effectively overdue paper for work which I COULD EASILY HAVE DONE THIS WEEKEND IN A MUCH MORE PLEASURABLE AND THOUGHTFUL MANNER THAT WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN ME IN ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE WITH MY BOSS AND MADE ME MISERABLE. Why do I do this to myself?


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:12 PM
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254.last: Because the president told you to.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:15 PM
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Don't ask me, I'm going to be in work hell tomorrow because I spent today arguing about Presidential speeches.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:18 PM
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249: Possessive and condescending? You're giving us a run for our money, reprobatewise.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:20 PM
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256: Just account for it in six minute increments.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:23 PM
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The comments are even conveniently timestamped in your own time zone.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:24 PM
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Did they actually disagree with each other on anything or was it just a pose-off? Was Romney smart enough to avoid threatening to invade anybody?


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:29 PM
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250 As a paleo Tigre I presume you will be subsisting on chopped raw beef soaked in seasoned spicy butter.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:31 PM
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Butter??


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:39 PM
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Butter


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:45 PM
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Shape of Iran: views differ.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 9:48 PM
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Hmmm. That butter does look pretty sweet.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 10:02 PM
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264: Seriously? He's said it so many times that despite the fact that it makes no sense it's obvious he means something by it? What about, if not calling it a lie, calling him profoundly dumb and ignorant of the existence of maps?


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 10:36 PM
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Welcome to the world of fact-checking.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-22-12 10:46 PM
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My guess is that Romney's language is intended to evoke memories of Great Game-like geopolitical machinations - cf. Russia's Path to the Sea. Russia obviously already had coastlines, but for North Atlantic diplomacy purposes sea access was only relevant if it meant year-round access to western Europe. Iran is a new enemy at a Great Game scale, so we need Great Game language to defeat it.

This doesn't make the Romney references factual or not stupid, or not insane, but I don't think they're meant to be literally correct. As we've discussed in earlier threads, fact-checkers have problems not only with the concept of fact but also with simile, metaphor, analogy, and symbolism. So they're forced by their own narrow fact-checking frameworks into mealy-mouthed bullshit articles where Pinocchio or pants-on-fire declarations are their only goal.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.


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268 sounds right to me.


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doesn't Romney's "We can't kill our way out of this mess" sound just like what the weak guy in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie would say, right before Arnold says "YES WE CAAAN."

The world is ready for Arnie to play Bob the Builder.


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^^^would watch


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"HEY, BENNETT. REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD YOU I'D HAVE YOUR EXTENSION AND PATIO FINISHED BY SEPTEMBER AT THE LATEST? I LIED."


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40: Romney: "We can't kill our way out of this mess."

"[M]ess" = climate change?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 2:41 AM
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Aflac!
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 3:19 AM
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Today's FoxNews agenda:

1) Obama is mean and petty and non-presidential. Our guy is white.
2) Marines *do* use bayonets. And the military still has horses

But I really want to see if they double down on the indict Ahmadinejad = Iran solved! ploy.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 3:49 AM
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I wonder if Romney alerted his neocon FP advisers that they were all going under the bus last night? Probably, "Don't worry, guys, it's just words to fool the goobers."


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275.2: Because for all I know we may have more horses and bayonets now than 2016. And that will be very important to find out and discuss.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 3:58 AM
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We use the horses for neigh-tion building.


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I do wish Stanley would rein in that punning impulse. I groan whinny writes those things.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 4:54 AM
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Shape of Iran: views differ.

I love the way the factcheck cites a Globe report citing a Jerusalem Post report citing a Torygraph report on the "Iranian army base in Syria" claim.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 4:59 AM
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You're my main man Stanley.

But I refuse to be cheered by you jokers because per Charles Pierce:

Tonight, the existential absurdity of having Willard Romney, a complete creature of the financial elite, at even money* to be elected president of the United States a mere four years after that same elite burned down the world economy and looted what was left
And that state of affairs remains.

*And don't be bringing any of that Nate Silver shit. The fact that it is even within shouting distance is a sin.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 5:08 AM
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Pierce called this election for Romney back in the spring. He may be right, but more to the point he's a consistently cynical old pessimist (which is why I love him).


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But I refuse to be cheered by you jokers

Wither your sense of humor? I bridle at the implication that you can muzzle us.


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283: OK, that does it, everybody out of the pool it's a hard rain that's gonna fall.


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281,282:I the most cynical nihilist still call it for Obama, even though Romney has momentum and a slight national lead. 70-30, better than Silver.

a) It's all about Ohio. Enough other states can't switch to make Ohio non-essential to Romney

b) Apparently Obama has the better ground game and GOTV, although turnout is more difficult and necessary for Obama.

c) Kim Ki-Duk won at Venice? "the first South Korean film to win a major international award."

KKD is ok, but not that good, and there have been and are many better in South Korea over the last two decades. This is a shock. Hong Sang-soo my current rave.


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I suspect the "route to the sea" thing is related to the "smallest navy since xxxx" line. Together they make it sound like Obama has gutted our ability to fight Iran? Because that would happen on the Mediterranean?


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If you learn foreign policy on Civ II, it makes sense. Also, you can totally get away with using nukes so long as you have enough guys ready to clean up the pollution.


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Because that would happen on the Mediterranean?

The last time the Iranians fought a significant naval engagement in the Mediterranean was the Battle of Salamis. True, much of the actual fighting was done by Syrians, so maybe that's what he's getting at. But, whatever, it was still two and a half millennia ago.


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Deli meats have only become more important since then.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:21 AM
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(Look, somebody had to.)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:22 AM
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The Mortadella Mandate.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:23 AM
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Mitt Romney is in favor of a return to salami battles. Allowing fish in battles is ruining it for everyone.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:31 AM
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It's not a region that will have a good reaction to weaponized pork.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:33 AM
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Mildly related fact: the first line of the marching song of the French Foreign Legion translates as "Look, here's a sausage".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:37 AM
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for all I know we may have more horses and bayonets now than 2016.

The US military almost certainly does have more bayonets now than in 1916. The US army was only 100,000 strong in 1916, it's a lot bigger now, and AFAIK they still get issued bayonets.

It also has more zeppelins now than it did in 1916. Progress!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:40 AM
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The only salami I've ever had is all beef.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:44 AM
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A Republican is going to enable Muslim moderation.

I read this, for just long enough to smile, as a suggestion that the Republicans were advocating a Muslim moderator for some future debate.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:44 AM
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Even if you want to keep kosher, you can still put in some salt and spices with the beef.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:45 AM
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295.last: Blimps, not zeppelins. Dirigibles are out of fashion, sadly. We're left with glorified balloons.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:55 AM
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We're left with glorified balloons.

You should have paid enough to get somebody reputable.


Posted by: Opinionated Board Certified Plastic Surgeons | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 6:58 AM
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294: I hadn't expected quite so much discussion of Vietnam in the Foreign Legion sausage song. The spiteful mockery of the Belgians surprises me less, I suppose.


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 7:00 AM
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299 is sadly accurate.

301: only one mention of Vietnam - Tuyen Quang. Or are there other verses somewhere?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:22 AM
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295: and AFAIK they still get issued bayonets.

I think just the Marines get them.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:27 AM
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And the military still has horses

Indeed

Today I ride with special forces on those wily Afghan horses / Dostum's Northern Alliance give their thanks / No matter defeat or victory, in battle it occurs to me / That we may see a swelling in our ranks

But I refuse to be cheered by you jokers because per Charles Pierce:

Roger Ebert expresses similar sentiments

A depression has descended upon me. I look at the blank screen, and those are the words that come into my mind. I do not believe for a second that Mitt Romney will win the election. I do believe that at this moment he is tied, 50-50, in various national polls. Many of my fellow Americans have at least temporarily disappointed me.

...

After reversing himself on the central issues of the campaign, Romney's standing went up in the polls. How? Why? Were the members of the electorate paying absolutely no attention to the campaign? Were they responding only to the general opinion that Romney "won" the debate? Is winning, in the pro football truism, now the only thing?


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:30 AM
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Au Tonkin, la Légion immortelle/À Tuyen-Quang illustra notre drapeau

Of course this is basically the same place mentioned twice but spelled differently. But it still constitutes quite an elaborate discussion in a song that's otherwise largely made up of "haha the belgians, sausage power sausage power, we are sly, we will die, sausage power"


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:34 AM
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Oooh, a Le Boudin thread.

The last time I went to France, I was sitting next to a 20 year old American who was off to join the Foreign Legion, which seemed unusually romantic. He didn't speak a word of French. I wonder what happened to him -- I think maybe it costs you your US citizenship?


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:42 AM
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Tuyen-Quang was one of the two great heroic stands of the Legion, along with that place in Mexico.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:43 AM
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Roberto Tigre

By the way, I should thank you for your work yesterday. I don't know how productive that argument was, but I did appreciate the various links.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:50 AM
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You're dead to me, NickS.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 8:55 AM
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306: The trope of join-the-French-Foreign-Legion-when-your-gal-throws-you-over was still present enough when I was little for me to be familiar with it. (Why? Merrie Melodies, I guess?) In any event, once in France I walked by a FFL enlistment office (somewhere in the south, maybe Orange?) and it was so very seriously sketch -- on a par with a sell-your-plasma type joint in El Paso.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 9:00 AM
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Tuyen-Quang was one of the two great heroic stands of the Legion, along with that place in Mexico.

Camerone.

And I'd argue the case for Dien Bien Phu as well, to be honest, though the Legion is understandably less keen to remember it.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 9:05 AM
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Yes, all I knew about the FFL until I went hunting for the Boudin song earlier today was Beau Geste run-off.


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 9:10 AM
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An Internet search reveals a surprising number of Yahoo Answers from Americans about joining the FFL.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 9:12 AM
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The trope of join-the-French-Foreign-Legion-when-your-gal-throws-you-over was still present enough when I was little for me to be familiar with it.

Likewise, decades later, when I was little.


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There's a good book called "Legionnaire" by an UMC Brit called Simon Murray who did just that and ended up in Algeria before and during the Generals' Revolt.


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306: The trope of join-the-French-Foreign-Legion-when-your-gal-throws-you-over was still present enough when I was little for me to be familiar with it. (Why? Merrie Melodies, I guess?)

Crock, maybe?


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Surely the dirty hive mind can come up with a better caption for this.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 9:59 AM
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She was raised Episcopalian; only converted to marry Mitt.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 10:12 AM
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"Cowboys are my weakness."


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"This finger is going all the way up Iran's route to the sea."


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 11:13 AM
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"More cowbell."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 11:14 AM
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"This pipeline contains only domestic oil."


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"Debate or not, we still have our Monday routine."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 11:27 AM
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"Cowboys are my weakness."

I've just heard that a couple weeks ago. good song.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 11:33 AM
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And I'd argue the case for Dien Bien Phu as well, to be honest, though the Legion is understandably less keen to remember it.

Alamo, Kosovo, Gettysburg... though perhaps people whose chosen identity is "imperialist bastards" rather than "motherland patriots" aren't as keen on memorializing defeats.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 11:58 AM
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Camerone was a defeat for the Foreign Legion, similar to the Alamo except that the Legionnaires were more courageous.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 12:07 PM
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Oh, OK.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 12:17 PM
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But the Alamo and Camerone were blips in an otherwise glorious trend. DBP was part of the downfall.
Same as the British - we quite like Dunkirk, but that's because we ended up winning.


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Well, the war being fought in Camerone was a total loser as well for La France, but the point's taken.

Also DBP didn't produce an awesome prosthetic wooden hand that the Legion could march around with.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 2:33 PM
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Roberto you should totally bring a wooden hand to your next Cinco de Mayo party and see if anyone gets it.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-23-12 3:10 PM
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I was just about to mention the wooden hand. Very odd indeed.


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