Kids these days. Why can't they just drop acid, like when I was a lad?
Did I really misspell serotonin? That's too bad.
Anyhow, that whole blog from the first link is a good read. Talks about how a lot of this stuff is due to counterproductively overbroad legislation of chemical analogues.
2 -- Yeah. Although, back before I was 20, some guy came by with some JB-318 he was able to get some of us to try. As an experiment.
Kids remember: if it ain't in PiHKAL or TiHKAL, don't do it.
The proliferation of synthetic canabanoids really freaks me out. That stuff seems really dangerous. This is one reason I think marijuana legalization can't come soon enough. Its the only way to kill the market for that synthetic shit, and to ensure that what our kids are smoking is safe.
Yeah, all of this really makes the point that it's harm reduction or harm, like, escalation. You can choose one or the other, but those are the only options.
Forensic toxicology seems like a pretty hopping career field these days, between the blossoming designer drug business and the chemical weapons inspectors with their fancy Nobel Peace Prize.
When I first saw this post heading, I thought that this post might provide an interesting discussion of why people should avoid taking long tubs with bath salts. (Epsom salt is about as much vice as I engage in.)
Also, check your local criminal code. Here we have a statute that targets huffing that is broad enough to use against things like spice and salts and it's the exact same level of offense as possession of weed. You might be frying your brain and not dodging legal consequences at all.
10: but nobody's worried about the possession side (or the legal jeapordy, particularly), right? It's the "can I buy it pretty easily on the internet" piece.
Around here we still see a lot of smokeshops trying to move that kind of thing and frequently people buy it thinking they can't get busted for it.
But yeah, I hadn't thought about the ordering online part. I imagine that's a lot of the appeal.
You might be frying your brain and not dodging legal consequences at all.
Dude. Dude.
9: Until this thread, I assumed people with getting high from Epsom salts.
Yeah, no "bath salts" is just a cover, like "research chemicals" or "cement cleaner", which is what [ REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED ] before [ REDACTED ].
18: I maybe don't want to know the answer, but I'm talking in another forum with parents of a child with dramatic mental illness and I wonder if there's a black market in the sort of drugs they're looking for to keep the kid from burning through Depakote and Risperdal and so on. They know biochemically what they want but not whether it exists. This is not my life and I totally don't want to go there (nor do they, quite) but....
19: sodium valproate certainly seems to be readily available. Beyond that I have no idea, but... Probably? Some of these places you might even be able to ask them to make it for you, whatever it is.
But I should not give you the wrong idea: in practical terms I know basically nothing about buying drugs ("research chemicals") online.
Like, apparently that link is a legit site who won't sell to norms,. Sorry!
Seriously, it is not a euphemism that I would never ever buy or mess with anything like that. It's just sort of fascinating to me that it's out there. I'm not cut out to live in the cyberpunk future, but I think I'm okay with that.
I remember when it used to be called "airplane glue".
Like, I've told you guys I used to be addicted to ice cubes, right? I don't mess with real stuff. No way.
I knew a girl who was addicted to chapstick.
Thorn, I'm confused - the generics are still too expensive and they want cheaper, or they want to design their own custom analogs? I'd be extremely surprised if some black market version is cheaper than a generic prescription drug. It's not that most things are hard to make, but I would be scared witless to try someone's homebrew antipsychotic.
So Donovan wasn't singing about banana peels?
27: homebrew artisanal, hyperlocal antipsychotic.
Great, so the hipsters are even trying to take over the black market drug labs now.
Ydnew, they're not actually looking for homebrew. It was just conversation 1 million about what antipsychotics work or don't work and how frustrating it is to see them not working. I'm sure somewhere there's a secret group of parents who are using designer drugs on their kids, but luckily I have no clue, not least because I think that would probably obligate me as a mandated reporter to let the state know.
a secret group of parents who are using designer drugs on their kids
Like a mash-up of Lorenzo's Oil and Breaking Bad. Excellent.
I follow, though. Poor parents, poor kids. I hope the field gets better predictive tools fast - I think it's headed that way.
26: Tell it to some of the artistic high points of the 20th century.
26: Tell it to some of the artistic high points of the 20th century.
Or not:
Option A [The influence of Scotchguard] has since been refuted. In a quote that appears everywhere from Wikipedia to Answers.com (but doesn't seem to be cited anywhere), the duo explains that Scotchguard was simply "the most slime-bag thing we could think of."
"Ice cubes" and "chapstick" are euphemisms now? What a confusing world....
Anyway, I thought for the last year or two or whenever it was we were already supposed to associate bath salts with eating people's faces, and hence probably want to avoid them.
Those stories were more fun when I thought that the cannibalism was caused by the misuse of what people use to soak their feet.
Those stories turned out to be wrong, though, didn't they?
Well, the sort of person who I see around, who would do something called bath salts recreationally, is someone I could imagine eating someone.
But yes, that never happened.
Some fun data on what the kids are buying on the Internets these days.
Definitely some shit on there I don't even recognize.
Seriously, what's a pseudonymous performer to do?
23- Merging threads, I just spend the whole morning working with the stuff. BIL bought my kid one of those evil model airplane kits with 240 plastic parts you have to break off the sheets of plastic parts and paint and glue with high precision. Anyone who gets gifts like that (erector set is another favorite) should be forced to be the person who actually helps put it together.
I'm sure this has been discussed here like every other topic of human inquiry but baths per se are gross.
Does putting salt in the tub make you feel better about them?
43: I know it sounds wasteful, but you're supposed to change them after every use.
Baths are not gross! Baths are wonderful! Surely it is one of the highest pleasures known to man to fill a bath up with hot hot hot water, then slowly, slowly, slowly put one foot in, then gingerly, gingerly, gingerly, put the other in, standing up and observing the reddening of the submerged flesh, then to descend bodily into the water! And one can do all of this with a BOOK, too.
I admit that if you are filthy a bath is not a very enticing prospect.
I just feel like some kind of soup, I don't know. Specifically some kind of soup that is only the right temperature for about two minutes between being too hot and too cold.
Well that's two minutes more than any other kind of soup can manage. Plus, you don't have to drink baths.
Is this the chatty thread? I dearly hope so, because I feel like a bad person.
I was at the market earlier, the one where everyone is rather chatty (which I like), and the check-out clerk, while checking me and my selected goods out -- ringing them through the cash register -- observed that I had a container of nuts here.
"What are these? Pecans?" he asked.
"No, those are almonds," I explained.
"What do you do with those?" he wondered.
I paused. "Well, *I* intend to make granola with them."
"Granola ...." OK. "So, how many bagels do you have here?"
You see, the check-out clerk was like 18 years old; with the previous customer he'd been going on about sports teams, to the point that the previous customer was lingering while they declared to one another that it was all down to ... I don't know what teams they mentioned. I think it was basketball. San Diego?
In any event, I feel badly, because I developed, in all of 2 minutes, an impatience with this young man, who was undoubtedly just trying to chat in a way he thought would be engaging.
And yet: Dude! They're fucking almonds! What do you do with them? You eat them! What kind of question is that?
Finishing up: earlier in my perambulations about the market, I'd been looking at the almonds, along with other nut- and seed-like things, and an older lady joined me as we contemplated these things. Which were at a reduced price. She noted that she really liked these wasabi peas, "A bit hot, you know, but that can be good," she confided.
I observed that while the reduced-price price was right there, I couldn't see what the original price had been, so how much off was this? We squinted together at things for a moment, then she looked up at me with "I work here, and I can't even figure it out!" and jabbed me lightly in the ribs.
So you see. It's an enjoyable place to shop and chat with people: I'm a bad person for being so irritated with that kid. "What do you do with those?" Seriously, dude, just check out my purchases.
Unless the water is dirty, books don't redden when you submerge them.
(I'm done now, by the way. My local coop is relocating at the moment, so I can't get almonds there yet. This is what happens.)
Back in the '80s, my father said that some EPA guy he knew from work had said that any focus on outdoor air pollution was essentially a scam to prevent people looking into indoor air pollution levels, which were orders of magnitude more damaging. I feel like, to some extent, this eventually became the conventional wisdom, with focus on radon, formaldehyde, other off-gassing, etc.
The question then becomes, based on inhaling PVC primer and cement fumes for a cumulative ~30 minutes over the last week, how many mouse-orgasms worth of my cognitive capacity have I destroyed, compared to people who weren't trying to do all their own plumbing?
I admit that if you are filthy a bath is not a very enticing prospect.
But if you're not filthy, why would you need to take a bath?
52: Dude! They're fucking almonds! What do you do with them? You eat them! What kind of question is that?
Well, presumably he'd been fooled before by people buying peppermint extract or nutmeg for non-cake-related purposes.
51 et seq.: I really think you're overthinking this. So you didn't have anything meaningful to chat about with the kid at the cash register. It's not a big deal.
43: but baths per se Gummo are gross.
57: You take the shower to get the grime off. The bath is for soaking in warmth. In the morning in the winter, they raise your body temperature.
Soaking in epsom salts sooths sore muscles. Nice scents are relaxing.
So you take a shower, then a bath? Seems like that would take a lot of time.
59: I'm sure you're right. I just felt badly for not being able to chat amiably, and instead turning into nothing more than a sour-faced customer/consumer.
Since I encounter customers/consumers -- buyers -- of books on a regular basis who are sour-faced from the get-go, I'm sensitive to being one myself.
During my brief sojourn in the US as a kid I went to middle school with a kid who, on the first day of art class, carefully made a tube out of construction paper the exact circumference of his face. He then proceeded to pour some rubber cement on a piece of paper, place the tube over it, and put his face in the tube, huffing the fumes for the remainder of the class. He stashed the tube and repeated the performance for every subsequent class. I have no idea how the teacher did not notice, or if she did, wtf she thought he was doing.
Seems like pretty inefficient huffery.
But if you're not filthy, why would you need to take a bath?
You might be less than perfectly clean, but not fully filthy. Or you might not need to take a bath, but be desirous of bathing regardless.
I, at least, occasionally do things which I do not strictly need to do.
Or you might just revel in the delectable sensation of the asses' milk gently enveloping your nether regions.
I was trying to come up with a Fermi style estimate on the rubber cement dose delivered via paper tube but I don't have enough information. Experiments would be required.
And if you intentionally expose children to fumes, suddenly you're the bad guy.
I used to enjoy huffing bus fumes as a little kid. And somehow I knew you weren't supposed to say anythting about standing as close to the stop/street corner as you could and breathing deeply. I never sniffed airplane glue specifically (although I noticed an effect a few times building those damn models*). We did nearly burn down our garage once using nearly spent tubes as nasty little flamethrowers.
*I sort of hated getting them, for a while half of my friends were into them and I didn't have the nerve or self-confidence to tell people I did not like making them. (I was well aware of my lack of fine motor skills and patience so mine came out sucky--but we ultimately blew them all up with firecrackers over a ravine and *did* set the woods on fire in doing so.)
66, 67: I guess I'm too much on Team Smearcase on this one to see the appeal.
I, at least, occasionally do things which I do not strictly need to do.
Does this require a universe that is not deterministic?
Clearly Team Smearcase is not up on the latest Beyonce release, which apparently goes into explicit detail about what sort of ostensibly enjoyable things can be done in the bathtub. (I am not up on it myself, but have a friend who's been posting "helpful" visual aids on facebook.)
Speaking for Team Smearcase, I'm pretty sure we are not up on the latest Beyonce release and it's bathtime recommendations.
Do the members of Team Smearcase all wear matching jerseys or something?
That is, I definitely am not and I'm pretty sure Smearcase himself isn't either.
79: Surprising no one. Maybe you need better facebook friends. (Worse? Not clear, I guess.)
76 but have a friend who's been posting "helpful" visual aids on facebook
Having just listened to the song, I think those visual aids might be necessary. Does a surfboard fit in a typical bathtub? And... no, I just don't get it.
Surely Beyonce's bathtub isn't typical.
Plus, you don't have to drink baths.
Frick. What?
85: that would be urple's bathtub, obviously.
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Crossposted at the Other Place because it's just that important: don't fly United.
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Because of... baths? I think because of baths.
Because of a three-hour, 50-minute-and-counting delay in a flight. I certainly want a bath by now.
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OMG, guys, it's 11:00 and I'm still out of the house! That's three whole hours, and I get another drink before I go home, though Lee is going to keep texting me to hurry it up and also bum a cigarette for her because she unquit. But three hours! Also, Fever Tree ginger beer!
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Still at the gate. Having legal problems with how many consecutive hours staff can work. The pilot said we'd be there in an "expeditious manner." I really do find that insulting. The delay is now almost as long as the flight was supposed to be.
96: I'm happy for you at the moment, but then, I'm a bit sad that that's considered real news.
95, 97: That sucks. A similar thing stranded me at O'Hare overnight a week ago.
I almost always fly United because I built up status on Continental when I lived in New Jersey and then they merged. I had a lot of United problems in the years before I lived in NJ, and then after the Continental merger it wasn't causing me many problems, but in the last several months it's been pretty uniformly bad.
And thanks to a canceled trip I'm dropping back down to Silver status for a while. Although with a trip to China coming up, I guess I should be back to Gold relatively soon.
97.2: I am failing at every aspect of life that isn't work or parenting, and even those are questionable. I even stopped using goodreads last spring and can't track how many books I finished this year, though it was a decent amount. But I did manage to stay out until midnight, even if it did require vociferous agreement with a neighbor-friend-lawyer about how fucked up a certain judge is, because I could go on for days there. And I came home and got the baby back to sleep and gave Lee her cigarette and will go to sleep myself soon. I've been trying not to talk about the awful stuff, but there's a lot and it's really bad. I've been hoping both of those will change soon, but maybe not.
But I had an hour out in October or November and went to Pittsburgh earlier this month and was gone for 24 hours, and now I was out for 4. Otherwise it's just half and hour here or there to get groceries, and I did take all three girls on more than a 2-mile hike today, though Selah rode in a carrier most of the way. I am not good at self-care yet and baths are often as good as it gets, so take that, Team Pantsless Smearcase! Maybe your indolent privilege is showing, or you're just better people than I can be.
Well, maybe we don't have three kids.
Right, but maybe that's a good choice on your part. And if I weren't fostering, I wouldn't HAVE TO wear pants as much as I do, but that's not really a good argument against it. (Now I'm mentally debating whether to take a bath even though it's too late and I shouldn't. Stupid thread!)
Sorry, should have just said "112: ... Laydeez!" Especially because Smearcase isn't particularly in the market, and so more for you!
Or 102 rather than 112, but maybe that too. It's unlikely to beat Bojangles, though.
I guess we'll just have to wait a few comments and see.
Maybe I should put some form of 102+104 on my OkCupid profile.
You should message me because: I totally don't have three kids.
The first things people usually notice about me: my lack of kids.
On a typical Friday night I am: childfree.
The six things I could never do without: not kids, that's for sure.
I will pay you cash moneys if you put those on your profile, teo.
Dunno. How much does a nice bottle of bourbon cost up there?
Aw, I got a team while I was away. Go team! And yeah, clearly I am not up on Beyonce. Good call team-mate.
Now I am trying to remember what kind of things were on my OKCupid profile. I know one of my adjectives for myself was "indoorsy."
"Indoorsy" is great. I should use it on mine.
In the context of Alaska it would be more of a warning sign than an enticement, it's true.
I am Team Smearcase on most meaningful issues, but my spine and joint pain are greatly improved by baths and neb is of course right that being able to bring a book is a huge plus. So I'm stuck with baths and kids on my hypothetical okcupid profile and the rest of the Team will just have to live with it or ostracize me.
Maybe Team Smearcase needs a challenge.
