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It's like no one else woke up at 4:30.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:32 AM
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Needs moar salacious details.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:41 AM
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Well, I had a 6 am flight. But we're having mechanical difficulties. IYKWIMAITYD.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:59 AM
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That was criticism of the Post article, not you, Heebie. If this thing is going to be tried in the court of public opinion, it needs video or pictures or something. Right now it sounds like she got in a fight with her half-sister. Which is bad, but not NFL bad. Or maybe its much worse than that. HOW AM I TO KNOW?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:16 AM
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Well, it's a part they need for the radar system, and we were supposed to be getting a replacement part on a 9 am flight from Detroit. But now they're saying that the weather has cleared up in Atlanta so we're going to leave without the part. Since you asked.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:20 AM
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ESPN has some blockbuster reporting on the Ray Rice case (warning: autoplay video on loading). It's thinly sourced, but credible* to my eyes. If you think your opinion of Roger Goodell couldn't go any lower, read the piece and be surprised.

* it reads to me like one of the sources is close to John Harbaugh, and may be Harbaugh himself.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:21 AM
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"And why aren't more people talking about the fact that domestic violence isn't simply an issue of men against women?"

#notallwomen


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:34 AM
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Getting into a drunken fight with non-immediate family at a party, while not exactly laudable behavior, is not what people usually mean by domestic violence.


Posted by: Disingenuous Bastard | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:49 AM
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I learn from the article in 6 that Philadelphia has a defense attorney named Michael J. Diamondstein. From this, I can only assume the entire thing is made up.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:50 AM
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One difference is that Hope Solo's case hasn't gone to trial yet. A conviction requires much more than an indictment/arrest, especially on domestic violence cases, which are often (like in Solo's case) he-said/she-said swearing contests with little or no physical evidence.

I don't see why any employer, whether it's the NFL or Home Depot should fire someone just because she got charged with something. Maybe sometimes a suspension with pay is in order, if it's for some reason just impractical for the person to keep doing her job. But, goddamn, presumption of innocence. You'd want the same if you were sitting in that seat accused of something.

(Spike: all your salacious details here.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:52 AM
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10.1: one difference with what? Ray Rice's case never went to trial, and Adrian Peterson's case hasn't gone to trial yet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:57 AM
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11: Oh, yeah, that was unclear. I was thinking in comparison to Ray Rice's case, and I was thinking of his case's resolution (the controversial acceptance into a pretrial diversion program for which many/most? people with his charges have never qualified) as meaning his case has effectively "gone to trial" in the sense of coming to a final disposition.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:02 AM
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which are often (like in Solo's case) he-said/she-said swearing contests with little or no physical evidence.

There were "visible injuries" on both victims, according to the police report; bruising and cuts. None on Solo, though her lawyer is claiming that she was the victim of an assault.

Getting into a drunken fight with non-immediate family at a party, while not exactly laudable behavior, is not what people usually mean by domestic violence.

Well, that's sort of the point of this post, isn't it? For that matter, women beating up male teenagers is "not what people usually mean by domestic violence" either.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:07 AM
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"too fat and overweight and crazy to ever be an athlete"...
While demonstrating that you can be quite nutso and still be an athlete.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:07 AM
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8 gets it right. None of the especially horrible things about domestic violence apply to a fight with people she doesn't live with. It's just a fight, it's not abuse.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:11 AM
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Solo has long had a reputation as bit of a nut. But without judging this case, we really do live in Twitter world now, don't we? Bunch of people on Twitter get outraged, someone's gotta do something! For the most part, things people get outraged about I find sympathetic, but it's something to see. Optimistically, hey, the people have a voice. Pessimistically, the real world is looking more like internet outrage world.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:11 AM
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I think it's weird to even call this domestic violence at all. It doesn't fit the most commonly used definitions.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:14 AM
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I am a bit sceptical about 15, though. Really? So if dear old Ray Rice hadn't been living with his fiancee, no problem?
It's an interesting point. Given that there are some offences for which everyone agrees you should be suspended from, say, the NFL (beating your fiancee unconscious) and others for which everyone agrees you shouldn't be (speeding?), where does the line get drawn?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:16 AM
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Solo's charges are misdemeanors, what are Rice's?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:19 AM
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Right this side of Ben Roethlisberger.


Posted by: Opinionated Steeler | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:20 AM
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20 to 18.last.


Posted by: Opinionated Steeler | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:20 AM
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(I realize the charges against Rice were dropped.)

Ray Rice's case never went to trial, and Adrian Peterson's case hasn't gone to trial yet.

Video and pictures, though. I mean, clearly Goodell is now trying to act like he cares, but if there were pictures of Solo's nephew with some bad injury, there'd be a lot more pressure to do something about her case.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:25 AM
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If there were pictures of Solo's nephew encased in Carbonite.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:27 AM
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The crimes of Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson were documented with pictures. Absent a video, Hope Solo has a plausible counter-narrative, and even the alleged victims' accounts don't detail abuse on the Rice/Peterson level, and don't describe a level of victims' defenselessness comparable, either.

Here's the worst of it, from the WP's account:

Solo charged him, punched him in the face and tackled him, the court document alleges. ... Police wrote in the affidavit that the teen's T-shirt was torn and he had scratch marks on his arms and a bleeding cut on his ear when officers arrived.

The defenselessness of the victims is a key feature of the Rice/Peterson situations. In Solo's case:

The teen tried to pull Solo off his mother and then broke a wooden broom over her head, the document says.

Everything isn't the same as everything else. I don't know what they've got on the less-prominent NFL abusers, but its pretty easy to differentiate Solo from Rice and Petersen.

As DB says in 8, drunken fights between people who don't live together are correctly put in a separate category.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:28 AM
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"The fact is that the national news media basically doesn't give a shit about women's sports stories unless they can be made into stories about men. Unless Solo's case, in other words, can appear as a footnote to the Ray Rice story and (worse) absorbed into some broad popular sense that women, in general, are somehow getting away with something."


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:28 AM
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24 multiply-pwned.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:29 AM
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That too.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:29 AM
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27 to 25.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:29 AM
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drunken fights between people who don't live together are correctly put in a separate category.

I am still sceptical that a male footballer who beat up his sister and her teenage kid to hospitalisation point would be getting the same "oh, well, there were probably faults on both sides, and they gave as good as they got" treatment as in 24.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:33 AM
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I think that there's an important element of betrayal that lies at the heart of intimate partner violence which makes it worse than the kind of violence Hope Solo is apparently guilty of. I don't know how or if the law should try to grapple with the impact of the heartbreak and betrayal that compounds the suffering of victims of intimate partner violence, but from my limited experience with survivors the emotional component is just as bad, if not worse, than the mere physical beating, especially if the violence is an ongoing thing as opposed to a one-then-out situation.

Solo definitely deserves punishment, and her sponsors should think hard about what kind of things they want their brand associated with, but she's not Ray Rice or Adrian Peterson.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:36 AM
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29: Ah - I wasn't aware that the nephew and half-sister were hospitalized. I've only read the Post account.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:36 AM
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The only actual domestic violence allegations involving Solo are where she was the victim and the perpetrator was a formal NFL player, for fuck's sake. Yeah that NFL is getting an bum rap from people not talking about Solo.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:43 AM
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"Hospitalization point" sounds different from "scratch marks on his arm, and a bleeding cut on his ear".

And I think the better comparison is how the press would cover a male footballer who got into a fight with his _brother_ and nephew. It's not that women have a free pass to be violent -- Solo sounds like a violent nutcase if the story really is the way it sounds. But Ray Rice was beating someone who didn't have a hope in hell of physically defending herself, and Solo was in a fight with two people who plausibly weren't all that physically outclassed (the extent to which this is true is complicated. World class athlete on the one hand, but close relatives pulling from the same gene pool on the other, and I don't know anything physically specific about the sister an nephew.) Still wrongful behavior, but you can identify it as different while still calling it wrong.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:44 AM
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The real reason for the differing reactions is that no one gives a crap about soccer, while football is the national obsession. A soccer player could kill a family of 4, and it would get less attention than if the backup center for the Raiders went to a restaurant and forgot to tip.

On the other hand, if Rice hadn't been seen dragging his unconscious girlfriend out of the elevator -- if the story had just been that Rice and his girlfriend got into a public fistfight -- it would have blown over immediately.

On the other, other hand, there's an obvious gendered aspect to the public reaction. People think of men as dangerous, and women as not.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:46 AM
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Pwned by everybody.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:47 AM
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This doesn't sound any different than what the Palin clan did a couple weeks ago, although I think they all fought people outside the family, not each other.
Also the pernicious thing about domestic violence is that the victim is often trapped in the situation and therefore more vulnerable to future injury or can't even report the abuse for fear of retribution. If this is a case of fighting with other family members who can get along perfectly well with never seeing Hope again, sure it was assault but not necessarily something worse.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:49 AM
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I would have agreed about "hospitalization" before having my kids school send two of my kids to the ER, one with a scratch on his nose from banging it on a desk while dodging thrown paper, the other with supposed breathing difficulties that was just him being upset after running into another kid in gym. $200 copay for me both times though, thanks school nurse!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:51 AM
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This case is domestic violence in the way that the white guy from Nigeria is an African American, right? They don't live together and don't have the kind of interdependence that makes the paradigm DV cases so bad.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:58 AM
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The white guy is supposed to be from Kenya or South Africa. The prince who wants your bank account number is from Nigeria.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:00 AM
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The Prince who wants your extra time and your kiss is from Minnesota.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:07 AM
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#notallwhitesfromafrica.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:09 AM
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Too soon with the pistorius damn


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:15 AM
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I would say that like Pistorius, I wasn't fast enough.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:31 AM
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I don't know anything physically specific about the sister an nephew

The nephew is fat and unathletic, as I understand it.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:38 AM
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The nephew is fat and unathletic in ways that the ancient Egyptians wouldn't be able to understand.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:39 AM
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Also, this story sounds suspiciously like what happens when you invite the Palins to a party.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:39 AM
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I don't think any of the Palins are that good at sport?


Posted by: conflated | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:52 AM
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I thought the Palin kids were named after sports. Isn't one of them named Dodgeball or something?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:54 AM
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47 If you don't count shooting wolves from helicopters.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:59 AM
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I thought that was one of the black sheep branches of the Adams family. Dodgeball Adams, brother to Puck and Niblick.


Posted by: conflated | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:00 AM
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I don't think the Hope Solo case is directly comparable to either Rice or Peterson (who also aren't really comparable to each other) but it would be nice if it took some of the sheen off of women's soccer, America's most annoyingly saintliest sport.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:03 AM
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47: Todd Palin is a champion snowmobile racer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:05 AM
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Anyone remember when Maks slapped Hope on Dancing? How would that have gone over if it had happened last week? At the time, it was just part of the drama of the show, and Solo said something like "I give as good as I get."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:09 AM
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Oh, wait, I'm conflating memories and reports. He was rough with her on air during their dancing, but the slapping accusation came later in her book.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:11 AM
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47: Snow _machine_. God, it's like you don't even pay attention when Alaskans explain things.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:14 AM
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When I hear "snow machine," I think of the thing that makes snow for the ski slopes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:17 AM
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I think snow blower. It sounds like something my 79-year-old grandpa would say, "Gonna go snow machine the driveway!"


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:20 AM
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Help the man out. He's too old for that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:22 AM
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women's soccer, America's most annoyingly saintliest sport.

Yes, I can't imagine a more annoyingly self-righteous athletic endeavor.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:23 AM
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56 is my instinctive thought, too.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:25 AM
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I can't imagine a more annoyingly self-righteous athletic endeavor.

The Fourth Crusade? I mean, that wasn't an athletic endeavour per se but it probably still required a bit of upper body strength and co-ordination.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:27 AM
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59 took me a second, and then I laughed.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:29 AM
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And I still haven't got it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:31 AM
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Crossfit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:32 AM
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55.last: hey, thanks!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:34 AM
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Yes, but no one who doesn't participate in Crossfit thinks its saintly and there's no media narrative supporting that (rather, the media narrative is that Crossfit people are fanatics/jerks). Yet we've all seen hundreds of media stories about the modern day holy women that are the members of the US national women's soccer team.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:37 AM
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I just feel like, as a mother, I'm uniquely qualified to determine saintliness.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:40 AM
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I just feel like, as a mother, I'm uniquely qualified to determine saintliness.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:40 AM
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That was me, ipadding it up in the Atlanta airport.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:41 AM
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Yet we've all seen hundreds of media stories about the modern day holy women that are the members of the US national women's soccer team.

The German national women's team saw to it that no one makes that mistake with them. I can't link to it from work, but a largish group of them posed for the German edition of Playboy.

Shockingly, this fact goes unmentioned on the Wikipedia entry on the team. The article does, however, contain this lovely bit of history:

1955 beschloss der DFB auf seinem Verbandstag, das Fußballspielen mit Damenmannschaften zu verbieten. In der damaligen Begründung hieß es, dass „diese Kampfsportart der Natur des Weibes im wesentlichen fremd ist", dass „im Kampf um den Ball die weibliche Anmut schwindet und Körper und Seele unweigerlich Schaden erleiden", und dass das „Zurschaustellen des Körpers Schicklichkeit und Anstand verletzt".

(In 1955, the DFB [national governing body for soccer] approved a resolution at its national convention forbidding soccer games with female teams. The justification at the time claimed that "This type of competitive sport is fundamentally foreign to the nature of the woman*," that "in the struggle for the ball, the feminine comeliness disappears and the body and soul unavoidably suffer damage," and that "the display of the body is an offense against decency and decorum."

* the text used a word for "women" that had slightly perjorative connotations even then, something like "broads".


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:00 AM
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"in the struggle for the ball, the feminine comeliness disappears and the body and soul unavoidably suffer damage,"

Clearly they'd seen a few lacrosse games.


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71: If Fleur were around, she could tell you the story of the events leading up to her ejection from a high school lacrosse game and expulsion from the team. Or maybe it was field hockey, I forget. The important thing, for the purposes of the story, is that it was one of the sports where you carry a potential weapon onto the field.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:07 AM
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70: If I didn't know better I might think you only knew one fact about the German national women's soccer team.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:15 AM
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73: And you'd be right! (I looked for that comment to link to it, but my google-fu was too weak.)


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:32 AM
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Snow _machine_. God, it's like you don't even pay attention when Alaskans explain things.

365 electoral votes determined that we don't need to call it a snow machine.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:42 AM
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So lawyers: no one gave me much of a chance in court with this theory. What about if you had this set of facts? $150K for a procedure that usually gets reimbursed for less than $2K? Are we in "shocks the conscience" territory yet?


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:59 AM
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I was considering posting about that. Every doctor needs to be on a fixed salary.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:03 AM
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It's like that line about most healthcare systems being pretty much equal, except the US, which is significantly worse than all the rest.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:05 AM
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The important thing, for the purposes of the story, is that it was one of the sports where you carry a potential weapon onto the field.

That's an awful lot of sports, isn't it?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:17 AM
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76: You know, I wasn't involved in the earlier discussion, and it isn't my main line of work, so take this with a grain of salt -- but I think what you want here isn't a contract case, it's something like a California Section 17200 class action, or other state equivalent. Or find a friendly blue-state AG with similar-looking enforcement powers (NY, MA, something like that) to set a precedent. Some statutory scheme that gets you away from the contract language and into generalized "treating consumers unfairly or deceptively" territory.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:18 AM
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There are in fact a ton of hospital-pricing 17200 cases, brought both by the state and private lawyers. Not really my field either (I do a lot of 17200 cases but never anything involving the health care system) but there's a lot of legal work going on in the general area, in California and probably elsewhere.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:21 AM
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79: every sport, if, like mine, your body is a lethal weapon. (Specifically it's a sort of blunt instrument, of considerable weight, with no sharp edges.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:25 AM
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Though, it seems likely to me (though I don't actually know, not my area) that the specific issue raised by Knecht is also governed by state statute and insurance regulation, such that general contract law or unfair competition law principles wouldn't apply. It certainly seems likely that if a "you are unfairly charging me way too much for out-of-network care based on bs rates case" was viable as a 17200 case, it would have been brought and succeeded long ago.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:27 AM
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Somewhere that we've talked about this before, I suggested that what's necessary is a statutory or regulatory prohibition on charging for out of network care provided without specific prior notice to the patient. Good luck getting it passed, of course, but that's what's needed.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:31 AM
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The German national women's team saw to it that no one makes that mistake with them. I can't link to it from work, but a largish group of them posed for the German edition of Playboy.

I don't know anything about the saintliness of (or anything else about) the US women's soccer team, but the DisreputableWeb tells me that Hope Solo was among the celebrities who had nude photos stolen and posted on the internet this weekend, and that they included a bunch of close-up anus selfies.

Do angels poop?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:33 AM
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Saints, angels, goalies, whatever.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:35 AM
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If you can do a wide-angle anus selfie, your arms are too long.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:43 AM
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87: Don't judge, Mobes.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:51 AM
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85: The strikes me as really, really bro.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:53 AM
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a bunch of close-up anus selfies

Wait, how can people tell that the close-up anus selfies are hers? Does she have distinguishing tattoos in the immediate vicinity? Or some unusual feature of her anatomy that make identification unmistakable?


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:54 AM
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That, even.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:55 AM
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If not two snowflakes look alike....


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:56 AM
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Yes, but unless I've got an authenticated photo of snowflake 1 for comparison purposes . . .


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:58 AM
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It doesn't have to be a photo. It could be a plaster cast or topographical map.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:02 AM
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Presumably the photos were stolen from her phone, so unless she had a bunch of other people's anus selfies, it must be her. The context seems to suggest it's her. Certainly she hasn't come out and proclaimed "Those photos are of someone else's bunghole!" Which would be Weiner-esque but not necessarily untrue, I guess.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:03 AM
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I haven't seen the snowflakes, but presumably they aren't solely close-up anuselfies?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:04 AM
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Happy anuses are all alike; every unhappy anus is unhappy in its own way.


Posted by: Opinionated Leo Tolstoy | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:05 AM
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She could have had pictures of other people's anuses that weren't selfies. Maybe she is an avid anus photographer.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:06 AM
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89: You've been iced assed, bro!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:06 AM
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avid anus photographer


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:07 AM
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98: That's the other possibility, but you'd think she'd have disclaimed the anuses (is there more than one? Inquiring minds want to know) by now if that was true.

Could be they were intended to send to opponents to taunt them. Nothing prurient here, move along now.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:09 AM
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Excessive anus disclamation can lead to prolapse.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:12 AM
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avid-anus photographer.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:14 AM
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This reminds me of a Kids in the Hall sketch that ended with one alien suggesting another take up rectal photography (of abducted humans) as a hobby.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:20 AM
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You know this is a controversy that someone who is either not at work or unusually bold could just resolve for us.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:21 AM
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I think it's professional; what is a goalie but a sphincter?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:25 AM
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A sphincter should occasionally let things through, though, and a goalie never should.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:26 AM
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A goalie uses her hands, whereas hands use a sphincter.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:28 AM
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Maybe a sphincter could learn a few tricks from a goalie.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:29 AM
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If you give s sphincter a soccer ball...


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:30 AM
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Someone get Leo Bersani on the horn.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:31 AM
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BALLS STOP HERE


Posted by: Enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:32 AM
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106-108: the riddle of the sphincter


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:32 AM
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A sphincter should occasionally let things out.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:33 AM
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Enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus
we'll get there fast
and then we'll take it slow
That's where we wanna go,
way down in Kokomo.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:34 AM
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110: but if you TEACH a sphincter to ball...


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:34 AM
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Oh my god, 115 made me snort.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:35 AM
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115, 117: wait, you know where that's from, yeah?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:37 AM
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I should probably just get Standpipe on the horn when Leo Bersani's done jabbering.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:38 AM
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118: Best thing ever on the internet!

Your bottom, 5th column, effectively pro-Saddam.

(I think? From memory!)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:39 AM
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Well now we know who posted 112 at least.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:39 AM
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118: no?


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Oh ha!


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121: Perhaps not who you think.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:40 AM
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That's very pleasing.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:41 AM
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I can only find a part of it quoted.


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Not this?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:41 AM
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How many enormous mendacious anuses could there be?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:41 AM
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128 to 124.


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TV news suggests the supply is functionally limitless.


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127: yeah that's the whole song. I feel like the original post had more, though. Damn, one of the bloggers at that blog was hilarious.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 11:59 AM
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Hope Solo is an attractive woman, and if someone told you there were selfies of her crotch, you might think, "Huh, in spite of myself and greater human dignity, I might wouldn't mind seeing those," and you'd be wrong. I feel like someone just shat on my optical nerve. There are a few pictures where she's shooting the photo up from her crotch and you can see her face. In other photos, with the same light, some with the same fingers/rings in them, it's just her anus, and it looks like they were taken sequentially as she clenched and unclenched her asshole. Clearly just her checking out her body in "what does that really look like?" kind of way. Hard to imagine a more private moment being uploaded to the world (and being described to a bunch of dirty, dirty, blog denizens).

You know, it's not hard to understand the appeal of seeing unattainable, beautiful celebrities naked, but making those photos (in general, and Solo's in particular) public is so cruel I'm actually a little surprised that even the conscienceless 14-year-old boys that I imagine populate 4chan would do it, but I'm clearly naive.


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Hard to imagine a more private moment being uploaded to the world

And if you can imagine one, go ahead and keep it private.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:03 PM
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Ooooh! I just thought of something!


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taken sequentially as she clenched and unclenched her asshole

Why, that makes Paris Hilton blowjob videos seem downright quaint and charming by comparison.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:12 PM
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Knowledge is power. It's great to learn.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:14 PM
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but I'm clearly naive

For a naive guy, you've got an unusually large base of knowledge about asshole photography.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:18 PM
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Large bases are important when exploring anuses. Safety first!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:30 PM
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I wonder, of all the camera-equipped phones that have ever been purchased, what percentage of them have been used to take at least one nude photo? There's no way of knowing, but I'm guessing it's over 50%, minimum.

Who among the unfoggetariat has not taken at least one nude selfie, even if it was deleted moments later?


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:41 PM
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Thinking... I am pretty sure I have not.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:41 PM
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We could all post pictures of our sphincters in the pool.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:43 PM
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If the anus is wearing a little hat and moustache and googly eyes does it still count as a selfie?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:44 PM
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"My anus, myself."


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:46 PM
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I have never taken a selfie, nude or not.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:46 PM
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139: Not me! But I should probably review my photo library before I let my kids browse it, now that I think about it.

143 deserves praise.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:51 PM
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We could all post pictures of our sphincters in the pool.

You should always wait at least thirty minutes after your sphincter eats before you let it go swimming.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:53 PM
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What if you're just dropping the kids off at the pool?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:58 PM
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post pictures of our sphincters in the pool

Guess the sphincter day!

Not only have I taken a nude selfie, but I think at least one instance was prompted by LB telling us that Buck's penis is banana shaped, and claiming that (therefore?) all penises were banana shaped. I felt confident that mine was not, but because science, I checked. Verdict: LB, wrong again.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 12:59 PM
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TMI, lady.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:00 PM
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Ogged, you had to take a picture to verify that? Or did you have to take a picture so that LB could verify it?


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147: I don't think that makes a nude selfie more appropriate.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:02 PM
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LB's point was that guys see their penises from above, so they imagine them to be straight, when in fact they're curved (when seen from the side), so I took a photos (several photos?) to verify it for myself. Maybe a mirror didn't occur to me, or maybe I just couldn't get an erection without my phone. Hard to say; it was many years ago.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:08 PM
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151: Depends on your definition of "appropriate".


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:08 PM
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148: I have no memory of this interaction.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:09 PM
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It was obviously someone else talking about the shape of Buck's penis.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:10 PM
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153: and here I had assumed it was a euphemism for legislating from the bench.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:10 PM
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I didn't tell you about it, duh.


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148.last: Penises are sort-of banana shaped, especially considering the wide range of shapes bananas can have, from the nearly straight to the distinctly curved. I'm pretty sure I could find a banana shaped like my penis without having to look too hard. If you want anatomical detail like a glans I think LB is ought of luck, though.

Let's all post pictures of bananas shaped like our penises in the flickr pool.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:13 PM
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Re 148, the necessity of photographic evidence for confirming the shape of one's own penis is an intriguing subject of inquiry, but I'm laughing too much right now to pursue it.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:14 PM
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The original discussion started here.

Penises are sort-of banana shaped, especially considering the wide range of shapes bananas can have

This is clearly a perversion of the meaning of calling something "banana-shaped."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:14 PM
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Either your link is broken, or my net nanny is blocking it. Anyway, I easily might have described penises as roughly banana shaped, I'm just surprised at myself for having brought Buck personally into it, and am hoping you got that bit wrong.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:16 PM
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You totally didn't. You claimed that penises are banana-shaped, and I teased that now everyone knows the shape of Buck's penis. Hey, implication.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:19 PM
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161.last: cleverly, Ogged never said you brought Buck into it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:19 PM
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161: The link is not broken.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:19 PM
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163: Yes he did.

LB telling us that Buck's penis is banana shaped,

He was untruthful, but that's what he said.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:21 PM
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Well, you did tell us, just not in so many words.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:22 PM
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I will note that as someone who lived in a country where many varieties of bananas are grown, "banana shaped" covers a broader range of variation than you may believe if you're limiting yourself to your local North American grocery store.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:23 PM
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I don't think that the fragment quoted in 165 means that ogged said you brought Buck into it. It could just mean that the significance of your actions was to inform everyone that &c.


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168: I'd buy that if Ogged had used a word like "revealing". "Telling", as I understand it, requires that the thing told be explicit.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:25 PM
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167 last, see 160 last.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:25 PM
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"Telling", as I understand it, requires that the thing told be explicit

The OED seems to require only "making known," and doesn't mention explicitness.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:28 PM
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169: so you wouldn't buy "the lipstick on his collar told a tale", for instance?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:28 PM
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"The banana in his pants told her everything she needed to know. This was no ordinary cock."


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:29 PM
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So great to learn about other people. I don't even look in the mirror beyond cursory grooming checks. I don't have much emotion about my appearance one way or the other-- neither flinching nor flexing for me.

139. I claim that there's a super-steep age distribution on this. I would guess 25% at most for camera phones owned by those over 30 in the US. Somehow, I do not think that selfies are all that big in China, where most phones are owned. I could be wrong, though.

What happens to the selfies you kids take? (Besides these particular ones stored in the cloud, I understand what happened to those). That is, are they private and you look at them again a few months later like private diary entries? You send them to someone you've flirted with but nothing more in the hope of more contact later? Does that work? It seems one-sided.

OK, just browsed flickr selfies to see what gets posted-- indeed, mostly kids there. Some trying out haircuts or clothes, lots of photos of a pair of people. The handful of people who look to be over thirty either have made careful self-portraits (that is, they're photographers), or mention in the comments that someone asked them for a selfie.

Oh wait, now that I've said all this-- I did take a picture of my face with a bird perched on my shoulder once, think that I posted to fb even. His little feet were so warm and it was such a neat experience-- the photo seems secondary, an afterthought almost. At the time, the bird seemed like the focus.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:29 PM
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In the EU, you are only allowed straight bananas.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:38 PM
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Bird selfies are the best selfies.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:41 PM
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Yes! I have no banana.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:43 PM
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At the risk of falling into earnestness, much as I'd like to give LB a hard time (hmph) about this, you can all see from the original thread that she didn't say anything about Buck, and my pretending that she had was a joke all along. Since the claim that someone has deliberately revealed something private about a spouse is dicey if it's not clearly jokey, I'm just clarifying that it's clearly jokey.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:45 PM
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She actually said that his anus was like a kiwi.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:46 PM
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To make LB feel more comfortable everyone should post the banana cultivar the penis dearest to them most resembles.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:48 PM
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It wasn't so much what she said as the selfies she found on his phone.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:50 PM
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I think Eggplant's name speaks for itself.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:52 PM
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Lord knows that's the origin of my own pseud.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:53 PM
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179: and his penis is the curved bill emerging from in front of the kiwi.


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:53 PM
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Ogged's can choose from the set of all fruits, since we know his is not at all bananaform.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:53 PM
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Ogged's is more like a durian.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 1:58 PM
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You're thinking of my balls (again). My penis is shaped like the Washington Monument.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:00 PM
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http://www.perpetualkid.com/banana-massager.aspx


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:06 PM
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187: your poor wife!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:08 PM
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Which one of you is hung like the holocaust memorial?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:03 PM
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I feel so dirty after this thread.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:13 PM
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Here, have a wet-wipe.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:20 PM
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174.2 reminds me of something amazing I saw on Facebook last week. Someone I know was in Korea and photographed a bunch of people there who were taking selfies using some kind of selfie-taking device that involved attaching their phone to the end of a stick that holds the phone a reasonably large distance from them and has a button to press to take the picture. It was weird. Apparently it's very popular now.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:34 PM
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Banana variety-resemblance is one arena where you definitely do not want to go paleo.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:35 PM
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193: the link in 88 is to an ad for one of those.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:43 PM
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195: Oh! I guess I was reluctant to click links amid all the anus talk.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:53 PM
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193 sighted in Narnia too.

Also, elephant selfie. Not a euphemism. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-27624575


Posted by: conflated | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:58 PM
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Discretion is the better part of valor when it comes to anuses.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:03 PM
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115 officially ends the blog. What else is there to say?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:21 PM
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Everyone name the atrocity the monument to which your genitalia most resemble!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:31 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Flower_(sculpture)


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:02 PM
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http://www.cluelessinboston.com/2009/10/hungarian-memorial.html


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:06 PM
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http://oberlin.edu/faculty/atacha/hiroshima.JPG


Posted by: Hope Solo | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:19 PM
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I misread that word in 202 as 'hunger' and thought he meant the potato famine memorial in Boston.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:21 PM
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everyone should post the banana cultivar the penis dearest to them most resembles

Mine resembles a plantain.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:24 PM
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I couldn't possibly single out just one penis as the one dearest to me. It would be like asking about a favorite book, or best beloved child.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:32 PM
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But sewn together, they make the perfect quilt.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:46 PM
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Every penis is just a reflected facet of the one true ur-penis.

God bless us every one.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:47 PM
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What an ejaculation.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:50 PM
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208: The Dick-Aleph is one of my favorite Borges stories.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:55 PM
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Borges porn is the best porn, obviously.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 6:58 PM
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Paulo Coehlo Aleph porn is the worst.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:02 PM
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The first page of google hits for "ur-penis":
The "how attractive is ur penis?" Test
Does Viagra Make Ur Penis Bigger
When does ur penis usually grow and what are the stages?
ur penis will grow (itwillgrow) on Twitter
How To Make Ur Penis Bigger - YouTube
Calling ur penis mike tyson cuz it breaks jaws | Facebook
Calling ur penis Amy Winehouse coz itz addicted to crack | Facebook
How To Make Ur Penis Bigger - Guaranteed Results
Can sperm stop coming from ur penis - Answers.com
do weights make ur penis small? - Bodybuilding.com Forums
I'm Diva Material | croutoncat: lms if ur penis glows in the dark but in a sexy way


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:03 PM
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Probably this one.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:07 PM
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Scrolling upward, I thought 213 was going to be apo's greatest playlist ever.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:12 PM
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lms if ur penis glows in the dark but in a sexy way

Sexy like a rotting lobster.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:13 PM
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Bad lobster, meet dark cellar, IYKWIMAITYD.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:14 PM
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I assume I have to link to a clown car statue or something.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:21 PM
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211: it comprises all porn of a certain length


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218: Or this, maybe?


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:51 PM
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Ho ho holocaust.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:00 PM
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I can't stop laughing.

Sure, this one.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:03 PM
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How To Make Ur Penis Bigger - Guaranteed Results

Presumably this is an ad for a time machine.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 12:32 AM
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I'm awake! Who's here?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 2:51 AM
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I'd imagine the usual Brits. Me, anyway.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 3:42 AM
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I'm about to start on my slides for a talk in five and a half hours! Guh!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 3:43 AM
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I'd find that very nerve-wracking.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 3:54 AM
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Me too! I should have done this earlier!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 3:57 AM
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5 hours? Plenty of time. Maybe stop for a coffee?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 4:00 AM
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I once forgot I had to give a talk until three hours before. It went great. As a chronic procrastinator, this definitely taught me the wrong lesson about how much time to leave myself.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 4:03 AM
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You all give me hives.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 4:03 AM
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I mean, it's only lab meeting. I have crashed and burned at lab meeting before, but I was younger then.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 4:07 AM
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You should think of us more like people with superpowers. When Superman jumps off a building, does it gives you hives? No, because he can fly. We're like that.


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It's not unknown for me to wing things like that, or do the prep immediately before [as in 30 minutes before]. Certainly for work, anyway, where I'm always under a lot of time pressure, and I resent working in the evening.

I have to admit, that my sort of academic background may not be particularly useful in some areas, but it's pretty good at building 'talk as if reading something carefully thought out and written, when you are actually bullshitting it' skills.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 4:17 AM
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233: Maybe your power is the power to give me hives!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 6:11 AM
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I certainly wouldn't fret about having only five hours to prepare for class. On the other hand, I'd never bother preparing slides for a class, partly for actual principled reasons.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 6:12 AM
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It went fine, Heebie. One of the faculty said it was "just TED talk-y enough".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 10:52 AM
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I'm glad to hear that. I am finding it so fucking weird to be meeting weekly again with my grad advisor. All sorts of unpleasant but reasonable insecurity about my inability to keep up with him has resurfaced.


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I got one question that might mean a big chunk of what I'm doing makes no sense, but hey, that's what happens.


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It seems bad to make fun of this accident. But I can't not picture the uninjured driver sneaking off very quietly hoping nobody will notice he was anywhere nearby despite the giant bus, the GPS, and the camera that was pointing right at his head the whole time.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 11:40 AM
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I recorded our meeting today, which may be revolutionary. He always goes incredibly fast, and I hang in there for a good ten minutes and then succomb to meaningless nodding.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 11:40 AM
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I had somebody repeat their question more slowly to make sure I understood it, which always makes me feel valorous for being willing to look like a dope, and also like a dope.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 11:42 AM
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"Actor Kevin Sorbo on Tuesday asserted that the National Football League (NFL) could not be expected to hold anyone accountable for mistakes in handling domestic violence scandals as longs as the White House was not held responsible for the terrorist attacks in Benghazi."

BENGHAZIIIIIII!!!


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 1:08 PM
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No chance that's serious.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 1:13 PM
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243: You'll feel bad about that once it comes out that Sorbo has a tumor. Because he clearly has a tumor -- who else could come up with an argument that nonsensical?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 1:36 PM
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A tumor? Or has he pissed off Hera again?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 1:41 PM
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That's just DISAPPOINTING!


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 09-23-14 2:56 PM
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