I didn't read the article, but I'm going to assume it says I can go ahead and keep eating Peeps until they run out.
I have trouble reconciling "moderately low-carb" with "I reduced my carbohydrate intake by about 90 per cent". Unless the man was living on bread and sugar, I don't see how 10% of his former intake could be only "moderately low-carb". Low-carb as opposed to no-carb, sure.
Anyway, I'd rather have a bit of a belly than live without sandwiches.
I've never really made an sustained effort to cut carbs, but I have noticed that if I don't get enough vegetables, I feel really awful. It's gotten to the point where I will deliberately seek out, pay for, and prepare vegetables even when nobody is looking and even when I know I won't enjoy eating them.
Then people say "That salad has more calories than a burger with fries." Which is probably true, but beside the point as if I just eat the burger and fries, my intestines will go Tea Party on me. Plus, the salad probably has fries on it anyway.
I mean, if I eat burgers and fries and nothing else, it doesn't go well. The occasional burger is great.
I think part of my problem is that I fucking love carbs. They should come up with a diet where you can eat as many carbs as you want, and also fat, and probably some protein too.
re: 6
Me, too. I have a sweet tooth but can curb that with some effort, and I'm not really that fussed about bread. But you'll pry rice from my cold dead hands.*
* artisanal SWIPL rice.
I could go without rice easily but never without bread.
I had mcdonalds for breakfast this morning, which I don't ordinarily do, and now I feel like shit. Serious question: does anything on their menu have even a single gram of fiber? (Salads notwithstanding; nobody goes to McDonald onalds for a salad.)
nobody goes to McDonald onalds for a salad.
Because they tend to repeat on you.
I had McDonald's for breakfast this morning, which I do fairly often. I feel fine, but I had a salad last night (the kind without fries) and will have a very vegetable-laden lunch.
AIMHB, I do Atkins for 8-9 months a year, and then eat what I want in the summer. Didn't go off it at all in 2015, though, and went off way early in 2016 (because what kind of idiot takes a vacation in Italy and stays low carb?).
I think I'll go eat a bagel right now.
I feel like I shouldn't have had the second sausage egg mcmuffin. One would have been better.
I had two sausage biscuits, because the eggs are kind of rubbery anyway.
Not to criticize, of course... eat what you want. I'm just fact checking.
Right -- went off in February to go to Italy, and have had a series of excuses to put off going back on. E.g., beginning in 10 days time, I'm spending a week at GTMO, which means breakfast at McDonalds every day.
McDonald's now has breakfast all day. I wonder if GTMO is in the biscuit realm or the muffin realm?
I will deliberately seek out, pay for, and prepare vegetables even when nobody is looking and even when I know I won't enjoy eating them.
Why not seek out and prepare vegetables you like eating?
I lost 25-30 pounds (depending on how you count start and end points) last year doing roughly that kind of thing, although I was also counting calories in a half-ass kind of way. Not low-carb in any organized sense, but avoiding carbs unless I really particularly wanted those carbs at the moment, and eating a lot more vegetables by volume.
And working with my natural laziness to avoid snacking.
Anyway, it wasn't miserable. I had been vaguely trying to lose the same weight off and on since Sally was born, using similar half-ass calorie counting: the difference the time it worked seemed to be the vague carb avoidance.
20 Maybe for the last time! [knocking all the wood in the vicinity]
I've lost some weight by not eating a lot and not drinking anything with calories, don't know how much because I only get weighed at the doctor's office but enough for clothes to be baggy or unusable but not enough to actually be thin. For a long time my hangup was that I didn't want to give Lee the satisfaction of my losing weight when she hated how I looked and thought I was fat, but I don't have to care about that anymore and it might be to my advantage to be more physically presentable in the future if I ever want to get into another relationship. I do think the psychological side matters and that as long as I'm vigilant about not encouraging anorexic mindsets I should be fine.
I feel literally angry every time I eat a salad for lunch. A salad on the side of a hearty meal is okay, but a salad as a meal just leaves me irate all afternoon.
Salad really is pointless and annoying, unless there's enough avocado/nuts/cheese/you get the idea on it that it seems off to think of it as a salad rather than actual food on a bed of lettuce.
I'm spending a week at GTMO, which means breakfast at McDonalds every day.
My God! I had heard about the rough treatment of prisoners there, but I had no idea ...
27: French fries really go a long way toward that.
The OP is similar to the system I've ended up with: carbs as more of a side or treat than a meal centerpiece, and not worrying too much about fat intake. The part about it being about managing not nutrition but hunger definitely speaks to me.
Of course my other thing is the 6 meals a day.
Especially to the title: I think we've just gotten to used to eating whenever we feel like it. If you want real paleo, just starve yourself a lot. Relatedly, I'm testing out some intermittent fasting, and it's really remarkable how if you change your dining criterion from "I kind of want to eat" to "I'm feeling pretty uncomfortable" you can go quite a long time without eating. A day without eating is really no problem at all, once I resist the psychological desire to eat.
I haven't run that experiment yet, since the longest I went was 48 hours of fasting, at which point I did start to get uncomfortable.
I semi-voluntarily went down to 1 meal/day for a couple of weeks and lost plenty of weight. I don't like that as a strategy though.
I get weak if I don't eat for half a day. I can make myself exercise and crash through the wall, but the payback my body demands is pretty high. I think I would gain weight if I tried it often and I know I would be miserable.
About 18 months ago, I came down with cold/flu and dropped 10 pounds in 4 days. The amazing thing was it stayed off for 6 months, through Thanksgiving and Xmas and a few months more.
Now, of course, I'm about 5 pounds heavier than I had been before I got sick.
if you change your dining criterion from "I kind of want to eat" to "I'm feeling pretty uncomfortable"
I get weak if I don't eat for half a day.
I'm definitely in the Moby camp on that one. It's true, that most of the time I eat on the schedule of, "I kind of want to eat." But, occasionally I eat something which isn't as filling as it seemed at the time, and about three hours later I crash -- I don't necessarily feel hungy, I feel tired, indecisive, clumsy*, and cranky.
*When I start clipping door frames when I walk by it's a sign that I either need to eat or sleep.
I start to feel uncomfortable around 9 am when I get to work. Over 3 hours since breakfast, so I need a snack right away!
6: Me too. I could easily give up meat, but not bread, and I'd rather keep my pasta (100% whole grain all, mind you). For 5-10 years in the 1990s, this book was the basis for most meals that my wife or I cooked. I still use it regularly during my turns in the kitchen, less so my wife.
I used to deal with hunger really badly, where mild hunger would quickly turn into cold sweats and trembling. I suspected it was something to do with insulin resistance, so I started an intermittent fasting regime. The first few days were terrible but after that I dealt with hunger much better. The best thing is that I stopped intermittent fasting after a few months (and after having lost 5 lbs), but my reaction to hunger has not gone back to its bad old state. So I can occasionally skip meals and still not worry that it'll ruin my day.
28 IMHMHB a patrician colleague 20 years older than me who'd never eaten at McDs and so didn't know that you can't bring an Egg McMuffin to an observant Muslim client.
A less observant Muslim might not notice the Canadian bacon, but that's not a nice trick to pull.
My wife and I get the egg mcmuffin w/o meat. It's her standard hangover breakfast.
I feel tired, indecisive, clumsy*, and cranky
This is more of a semi-permanent state for me, so I don't really notice a difference while fasting.
I find the glycemic index approach to carbs appealing in principle, but in practice it wouldn't help much, because I pretty uniformly prefer white rice/flour/potatoes, which IINM are all high (or low? bad) glycemic.
If it meant guaranteed* results, I could probably cut my carbs in half without being too sad, but it would be both inconvenient and unhappy-making, so hell with it.
*not magically guaranteed, just the sort of thing where it seemed really, really likely to work. This article makes me think that cutting by 90% would work, but as I said, that's a non-starter.
A few years back, I lost approximately 45 lbs. on the Slow Carb Diet (google it, my brain isn't functioning well enough to do the HTML at the moment), which is essentially Low Carb + Legumes + Cheat Day Once a Week. Worked a charm. Took a little bit of discipline but not too toucgh--the weight drop tokk about 4 months, which is pretty damn fast. I went off the diet and mostly kep the weight off until some stressful stuff (new boss I hated, losing my job, getting divorced, yadda yadda...) left me not taking very good care of myself and I gained most of the weight back over the course of about a year and a half.
So I'm back on the diet. It's going much more slowly than last time (6 lbs. in 6 weeks), but I've also taken up powerlifting at the same time and am adding a bunch of muscle, so I suspect the actual fat loss is much higher.
So, FWIW, for those looking for another diet option, that might be a way to go.
I eat like a pig. I had a light breakfast at home this morning, just a banana and yogurt and granola. But I had to go to the police station for some paperwork and had some time to kill before they opened. I had planned on getting a coffee at the shop nearby, but they had breakfast sandwiches too, so why not, right? For lunch, a sandwich here at the office, bigger than usual, with chips. I brought an apple and trail mix from home. I've eaten the apple and might or might not have the trail mix. Tonight, probably black bean burgers, with a roasted vegetable of some kind and a couple beers. Plus chocolate or chips or something every time I walk through the kitchen.
Today's diet is a little big bigger than usual for me and the type of food is a little bit less healthy, due to having a weird week, but not by much. I can only assume that if not for biking to work, I'd be much flabbier.
My diet is simple, high fiber-low sugar and eat as much as I want. I have been doing this for the last couple of years with just moderate exercise and no weight gain.
A lot of fiber can complicate social interaction but social interaction is overrated anyway.
A lot of fiber can complicate social interaction but social interaction is overrated anyway.
51: i know ive mentioned in a previous thread that i recommend a very simple diet of (1) eating very little refined suger at all (special treats only) and (2) making sure every single meal you eat contains a good source of fiber and generally also some source of protein. otherwise eat whatever you want in any quantity. i read this somewhere (long forgot where). its pretty easy to follow.
I was extremely skeptical of that when I first read it because it sounded way too simplistic, but it seems to reliably steer me towards healthier eating.
It sure works for me. It is simple to do and I am never hungry. The only time I have problems is when I travel or visit relatives that subsist on ice cream, potato chips, and cookies.
A good role of thumb is that you should poop at least twice a week.
What this guy described is how I've been eating since I was about 18, and I've never gained much weight without trying to (when a friend of mine got me into lifting weights). I do usually skip breakfast (just coffee for me) and opt for a large-ish and early lunch around 11:30. I don't like cooking, so I tend to eat simple meals when I do cook. If I decide to cook myself a fancy dinner it will usually just be a big steak or nice piece of fish and a glass of wine. I keep four dollar frozen meals in the refrigerator for lunch. I generally strive to have as boring a diet as I possibly can.
I think that generally, the strategy of designing your life so as to minimize the amount of willpower you have to utilize in order to accomplish your goals is underrated. Willpower is hard and mentally and emotionally taxing. Doing what I'm used to doing is easy, so I shoot for having good (or just not terrible) habits.
OTOH, my mother (who is in unbelievable shape for a late 50s lady) basically snacks on bread, cookies, and candy all day. Half the time when I go to visit it really throws me off because she just skips meals and snacks on super carby things all day instead. Super weird. She exercises a bunch, though.
57: is there a rule of thumb for the most times per week you should poop?
60: If you exercise enough, you can eat pretty much anything.
Unless you have a very good book and not enough free time.
You can search it in PubMed Central.
Well, to article level, anyhow.
You won't have access to very new articles, but nearly everything over a year old should be accessible.
Oh! Didn't realize. Still, I think I'll pass.
If you don't pass, go see a doctor.
Whereas if you don't pass go, see a jailer.
Anyway, it's worth keeping in mind that the U.S. government finally required that all research about defecation funded by the NIH (and maybe some other sources) gets published where U.S. residents (people who live here, not the beginning-doctor type of residents) can read it for free. After a year. With worse page layout than if you paid your money.
It even works for other medical research papers. Just put "-defecation" in the search string.
I can contribute to this! I read something, probably linked here somewhere, that suggested that people who have overeaten may have a lot of hormones in floating around of the "stop eating" type so there's a poor signal-to-noise ratio about fullness, and those tend to be worse in high-carb diets. So for funsies one week, I cut my total calories to like 1200 per day, so I'd definitely be hungry, but spent two days each on a carb-centered, fat-centered, or protein-centered diet.
On the protein days, I felt fine, if a little hungry, at the end of a 1200-calorie day. On the fat days, I felt woozy, but not starving. On the carb days, I had to put myself to bed at 3pm to avoid eating everything in the house.
It also made me realize that although I don't think of myself as a carb-craving person, I do drink quite a bit, sometimes a lot in a sitting, and it's possible that instead of craving chips and bread, I experience it as a desire for beer. When I am off alcohol for a week or so, I'm a lot less hungry in general.
I agree that a calorie is a calorie in terms of weight gain, but it's possible that, whether it's chemical or otherwise psychological, when I get carbs I'm bingey.
If I stop drinking, I get a made craving for candy. Possibly, I've not tried a whole week.
I'm going to go ahead and call Wisconsin for Sanders and Cruz. You can trust me because I'm relying on something I saw on twitter.
I would have called it for Sanders and Cruz, but we needed the eggs.
25: I'm going to take a chance that we're far enough along that I won't jinx it, and say that I'm so happy you're out of that relationship. Did I miss what's happening with Punchy?
Carbs are Heroin!
Everything's been covered already, except maybe for the carbs in salads and vegetables. When I'm dieting, which has been awhile, I don't really count those carbs, just stop breads, rice, pasta, sweets. Not cautious enough with fresh fruits, but in moderation don't seem to throw me out of ketosis.
It isn't so much that carbs taste good that makes my dieting difficult, as that carbs seem to make me feel better and falling asleep more enjoyable. I miss the euphoria, maybe tryptophan or something.
Yeah, Wisconsin called for Sanders and Cruz. Don't remember what the polls said. Difference between polls and votes are important for narrative.
Margins are very important for Sanders, not only to catch up in delegates, but to change the narrative and momentum going into the tougher states.
Both are still campaigning hard. I sense Sanders getting a little more negative, haven't been watching the Clinton campaign. I think Clinton is starting to get scared of alienating the Sanders base.
85 was a bizarrely straightforward, non-controversial political comment. Are you OK? Are you on some kind of drug?
Carbs are Heroin!
I wish! Heroin makes you skinny.
I think Clinton is starting to get scared of alienating the Sanders base.
I've also read that Clinton has cut back on spending and is saving money for the general election*. For example, I think Sanders had twice as many TV spots in WI as Clinton.
* I realize that the Primary funds are separate from general election money but presumably there are uses for that money.
I want to try bacon fat on bread. Like letting the fat cool in the pan and then spreading it on bread like it was butter. I forget where I heard that, but it sounds like a really good idea.
But right now all I have is beer and Cheetos (4% of my daily Riboflavin needs).
Is this Cruz's first state majority?
If the percentages don't shift as the count continues.
If this is the politics thread, it was interesting to see this Gary Johnson trial balloon in the NYT. I can actually see Johnson being a plausible choice for establishment Republicans if Trump gets the nomination.
It's not so much that they hate him, he's just too early. They're waiting for the last trump.
Pontiff X would be a great superhero comic.
Lincoln has a high school called "Pious X", but they pronounce it differently.
101, 102: So does Albuquerque. He must have been one hell of a pope.
Trivers in 59/60 is exactly me when I was his age, the difference mostly being that first, I now eat Messily's delicious dinners, and second, my mom had her esophagus removed and had to change her eating habits.
I did something like 32, extreme calorie restriction day after day between August and early December and lost about 30 lbs. Then I went away on vacation for 2 weeks with my "I can eat anything I want on vacation" rule in mind and let it all go to hell. I gained back about 20 of those pounds and have only just started to lose them again. This time much less extremely and hence much more slowly.
I can eat anything I want while training for a half marathon, if I could train for a half marathon without ankle pain.
I used to wonder who writes a mythology and gives a mythical hero a bad heel as a weakness. Now I know why.
Oh and I did it more or less like Trivers 59 describes. Skipping breakfast but for coffee, and eating a boring diet, more or less the same thing everyday, a couple of handfuls of almonds (20 almonds exactly) for lunch and a felafel sandwich for dinner. Day after day.
Pooping is key to my morning weigh-in. Get up, pee and poop, then weigh myself in a t-shirt and underwear. If I can't shit, I feel like the entire day's progress measurement is off. Disconcerting.
111 I feel the same way. I even add a note on my memo pad whether the weigh-in was "post poop" or "no poop".
If you poop at the office, you're getting paid for it and save on toilet paper.
Looks like Cruz may end up just short of a majority in Wisconsin after all.
And polls close in the Anchorage municipal election in a couple of minutes. I'm sure you're all just as excited as I am to see the results.
Are you excited to see the results?
Somewhat. They don't seem to be posted anywhere yet, though.
I want to eat fewer carbs, but breakfast gives me trouble here. What are low carb, fast breakfast ideas? I love omelets but that's slow for a workday.
1/2 the steak the night before, 1/2 for breakfast. Or a package of sausage cooks up quick.
90: faster to fry the bread while the fat is still hot.
Anchorage election update: With 91% reporting, the good guys are leading in all three of the assembly races that were seriously competitive, including the one where that's surprising given the demographics of the district. The bonds are more of a mixed bag but most of them look likely to be approved.
And in other Alaska election news, the North Slope Borough recalled its mayor.
Make that three hard boiled eggs.
With 98% counted the Anchorage assembly results seem to be holding up, which is consistent with a general shift to the left in the last few elections in the city and in the state as a whole. Also one of the assembly candidates who won happens to be a personal friend of mine, so that's nice.
On topic-ish, I've been sick since Friday and have lost 8 pounds, almost certainly all water weight if the output of my butt is anything to go by. I've only managed to keep down maybe a total of 3 full meals since I got sick. I'm hungry and nauseated and ready to feel better again. The icing on the cake has been throwing out my back due to retching so hard. This needs to end before I fly to see my sister on Friday. 24 hours traveling with the raging shits and a buggered back does not sound fun.
Since Friday? What did you eat? I've never had problems that long and I once ate at Arby's twice in the same day.
129 sounds like the kind of thing you should probably seek medical attention for. Friday was five days ago!
In the meantime fast for 24 hours after the last attack before you attempt to eat again (if you aren't already doing so), and push clear ORT drinks only.
I learned that vomiting itself can irritate your stomach to the extent that even water can make you puke again. But I don't know if it works that way for adults or just kids. For the boy, we had to keep him from drinking water despite the fact that he was very thirsty and then, after so many hours since his list bluugghh, give him shotglass-sized portions of water every hour for so many hours.
132 is correct. You should sip ORT drinks at first, then if that stays down you can drink a bit more. If you neck a litre of ORT at once then it's probably just going to come right back atcha.
For me, it is all about working out regularly. If I work out regularly, then I tend to eat healthier meals, and avoid the crappy junk food that tends to float around law firms and courthouses.
90. How on earth can you have reached the age you are and presumably have spent several years at college and never eaten bacon fat on bread? Is your father Warren Buffett?
A main meal without carbs makes no sense to me. I'd be hungry in a couple of hours. I don't eat much extraneous sugar though. I estimate the alcohol content of half a bottle of Rioja at about 5.5cl. Is that a lot of carbs or not?
Law firms and court houses are like Castle Wolfenstein in terms of how the food is stored.
Is your father Warren Buffett?
He's a completely different Nebraskan.
136. You mean you can find stashes of health in odd corners of the building? Sounds good to me!
I think there's quite a bit of non-alcohol carbs in a wine.
According to the internet, a glass of wine has 4 grams of carbs and 1.2 grams of sugar. I assume the rest is alcohol.
135 Yeah, I don't think anyone's talking about no carbs. I'll stay below 20g a day for long stretches, which can include a glass of wine.
Apparently, it can include five glasses of wine.
90. How on earth can you have reached the age you are and presumably have spent several years at college and never eaten bacon fat on bread? Is your father Warren Buffett?
We have a thing called butter over here.
129: Agreed, see a doctor. I don't know if I've ever been unable to keep anything down like that for five days.
About a month ago I got sick, but it was briefer than you're talking about. I'm 90 percent confident it was food poisoning from an egg I found with a lightly cracked shell. Note to self: next time don't eat it before it's spoiled, throw it away in case it's already spoiled. But the onset was about 12 hours after eating it and I was fine or close enough within 48 hours, so it probably wasn't salmonella, just general spoilage or something.
135.1: Maybe it's a British thing? I cook vegetables in bacon fat, but I've never just poured it over bread before.
145.2 makes me feel better about the egg I threw away. I felt wasteful because I think the membrane was still intact even if the shell had a clear hole (not just a crack) in it.
About a month ago I got sick, but it was briefer than you're talking about. I'm 90 percent confident it was food poisoning from an egg I found with a lightly cracked shell.
SPOILER: your cousin the corrupt lawyer is poisoning you with white arsenic and plans to frame your ex-lover, the thinly-disguised author stand-in, for your murder. Check his hair clippings.
145.last: I have never eaten bacon fat on bread. Fried bread, yes. But I've never spread solidified fat on bread as though it were butter or something. That doesn't sound very nice.
I've never done solidified fat, but surely part of making a bacon butty is pouring at least some of the fat from the pan onto the sandwich.
There is an acute Diet Coke shortage on the island. I am reduced to drinking Pepsi.
Assuming you're not grilling of course.
147: And you've been a bastard to your live-in lover.
149: I can't believe that was six years ago.
145.2 Fuck. Read that just after I'd eaten an egg with a cracked shell.* Will report back in 12 hours.
*With kaya toast. Yum.
Toast has some disinfectant properties. Maybe.
145/6. Microorganisms can party in a cracked egg. The membrane is permeable.
Bacon fat on toast is not conceptually different from dripping, which has a long and honourable tradition as being one of the finest snacks in the world. Also, 150 is right.
155: To unlock the next achievement, come up with a truly novel sex act.
158 If I get sick from that it sounds like my shit will be too runny for that.
160 no I was right the first time.
Fuck I think that egg really was bad.
162: Could be psychosomatic, to go back to the OP. Or maybe you'll die. I figure there are 50/50 odds, right?
There's probably an app that will send out a bunch of messages in the event of your death (e.g. if you don't check in with the app every week, it assumes you are dead).
Excellently made lard, room temperature is wonderful on bread.
So nine and half hours to go. But who's counting?
I fed a man a bad egg, just to watch him die.
You went there, and not Ring Of Fire?
You can get a little donut-shaped pillow for that.
8 and a half hours to go. I just might survive this thing.
173: Feel free to be the better joke you wish to see in world.
I think that weight management boils down basically to in/out, but managing hunger doesn't. In both pregnancies I've noticed absurd carb cravings, that if I give into them, make me more hungry. Avoiding that required starting the day with protein and pushing more refined carbs to after lunch.
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A month or two ago, I had a miserable 8-day bout of diarrhea that had no other symptoms, including any intestinal discomfort between runs to the toilet. Normal appetite. Nobody else got it. And then it passed. So strange.
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