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Re: Resistance

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My wife has a cute nose. Maybe like a 107 degree nasal tip rotation.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 12:41 PM
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107 degrees is obtuse.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 12:47 PM
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Damn, Moby.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 12:51 PM
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so good


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 2:25 PM
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I think Moby just said that Spike's wife isn't acutie.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 3:42 PM
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Moby doesn't know shit. She's totally a cutie. I'm the one who's obtuse.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 6:47 PM
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Heebie is right!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 7:12 PM
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I have an angle.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 7:16 PM
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How many degrees of nasal tip rotation did Elizabeth Montgomery have on Bewitched?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 7:25 PM
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Holy hell that's some side eye.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 7:26 PM
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Pretty sure this video has been posted before.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-16-16 10:21 PM
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It took me a while to get around to watching that, but I'm glad I did. Those looks are the correct and only response to 98% of morning/local/lite news show content. But this content especially.

A side note to follow the side-eye: nasal tip rotation? How is it rotation? I don't see anything rotating. (I mean, I can *infer* rotation on the part of Edward R. Murrow, in his grave, but that's a secondary issue.)


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 12-18-16 12:59 PM
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This clip reminds me of being trapped at the airport, waiting for a late flight, and the airline won't tell you how late (maybe another 45 minutes, maybe another 4 or 5 hours: who knows?! and if the airline knows, they're not telling you). You're supposed to sit quietly, with a bag of potato chips and a bottle of water, and enjoy the spectacle of network TV absolutely shredding the last vestiges of a once-great democracy. Do I have time to go to the ladies'? (I don't know, the airline won't tell me: I don't want to miss my flight, but I really have to go). Meanwhile, the friendly fascists on the big screen make a mockery of everything that you have ever believed in, and you still have to go...


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 12:01 AM
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Pro tip: flight tracking apps will give you public info even if the airlines will not. Sometimes info about your flight, sometimes about the previous flight. If the previous flight is still 2 hours out you have time to go to the bathroom, get drunk, etc. Have I mentioned I flew 24 segments this year?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 3:08 AM
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9: can you recommend any exercises to improve my nose-out?


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 6:41 AM
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Please note that Unfogged will be closed today for a day of mourning over the results of the Electoral College vote.
Spammers may continue to post in the "he's only gay in bed" thread as usual.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 8:25 AM
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In bed or behind the corn crib after 8.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 8:45 AM
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I love the fact that that article draws a distinction between budsex and dudesex. Precision is everything.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 8:55 AM
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I guess I should read it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 8:59 AM
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Unless that's all that good parts?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:00 AM
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I've been talking to a friend who has only had straight relationships but has sex with gay men also. He doesn't identify as straight but just doesn't talk about it much, basically. I'm pretty sure his girlfriend doesn't know. I find this all very odd, really, but apparently Snapchat makes it easy to manage.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:01 AM
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He does have kind of an angled-up nose, if that matters.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:05 AM
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I didn't think Snapchat was supposed to be a pick-up app, but I suppose that closeted men aren't going to be on Grindr. The obvious solutions is a specific app for rural, "straight" men who have sex with other men. Let me be the first to suggest "Corn Grindr."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:10 AM
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Can the icon for the app be a grain silo?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:13 AM
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"Tindr-Garden"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:13 AM
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"E-farmery"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:14 AM
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24: Two of them, obviously.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:15 AM
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I've never been on Snapchat (and am not on any pick-up apps for the moment) but I think the selling point is that the messages self-destruct. I would definitely consider Moby's dating apps, though.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:29 AM
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Anyway, remind me again about what I understand to be currently scientifically proven by impeccably reliable research, that men have a completely fixed, unchangeable sexual orientation, and only women have ambiguously flexible sexuality, as in being lesbian until graduation and that sort of thing?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:29 AM
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The first thing you need to understand, LB, is that cultural pressures absolutely can't play a role. On the veldt, you see, something something because I'm a feminist.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:32 AM
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Sod or me dot com


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:39 AM
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Actually, come to think, just "Sod".


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:42 AM
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LB, male sexual identity is so firmly fixed that no amount of gay sex can make a straight man queer. That's just how it is.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:43 AM
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33: What could be less gay than having sex with a manly heterosexual dude?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:45 AM
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Sod or? Thomas the Tank Engine cosplay probably already has its own app.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:46 AM
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Look, either both dudesex and bud-sex should get the hyphen or neither. Unless it's not gay if you keep a hyphen between you at all times.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 9:58 AM
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If you use a hyphen-minus, that makes it totally bi.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 10:06 AM
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A lot of cultures I have looked, Japanese and Afghani for two, sharply distinguish between the penetrator and receiver, the receiver being feminized, and if the receiver seeks sex, homosexual. As I have said before, are we imagining some kind of Schrodinger's gloryhole?

For a lot of "straight" men, it's all about wanting blowjobs and buttsex, not getting it at home, and not wanting to pay for it or take risks associated with prostitutes.

No, I do not necessarily consider the Senator getting a bj in an airport bathroom gay.

I do more seriously look at the homosocial, guys who strongly prefer the company of other men and avoid socializing with women as possibly closeted or unwoke gay, even without sex or physical affection. John Wayne liked to play cards with Ben Johnson, Chill Wills, and John Ford. Just saying.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 10:53 AM
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Mark McLelland is an authority on Japanese homosexuality, historical and current.

The "feminization" of the Japanese recipient, mostly historical, does interest me. That the samurai who preferred boys demanded they be passive, modest, vulnerable, in need of protection and instruction etc tells me something about the origins and sources of "female" roles.

Not crazy fond of personalized "mentor" relationships. The gymnast scandal is pertinent.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 11:09 AM
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Those guys have nothing to gain by coming out so they don't.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 11:20 AM
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Schrodinger's gloryhole

Bob has just redeemed several years worth of trolling with this.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 11:26 AM
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Actually, the apparent desire of certain subcultures to erase the ancient distinction between penetrator and recipient, if it isn't just malice, interests me much more than some homophobe getting blown in a bus station.

At one time, Dworkin considered it important.

If anyone can point me a non-fiction book exploring butch-femme roles among lesbians, I'd appreciate it.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 11:35 AM
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Romans too, bob.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 11:40 AM
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Have you ever read The Social Construction of Lesbianism by Celia Kitzinger?
Not really what you're asking for in 42.3, but seems to me it would be right up your alley.

https://us.sagepub.com/en-us/nam/the-social-construction-of-lesbianism/book202307


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 11:49 AM
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That does sound like an interesting book.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 12:05 PM
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Thanks, looks good


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 12:14 PM
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Only on Unfogged does the wild snorting troll come tamely to the virgin's hand when she -- at last -- asks "Have you read the social construction of lesbianism?"

I wish this technique would work on the wider internet.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 1:05 PM
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1) Not to say there were not more balanced homosexual relationships in historical Japan, there is a very famous double suicide of youths somewhere around 1680 I think

2) I can't leave this without mentioning Nagisa Oshima's Taboo which is a nice companion piece to In the Realm of the Senses both being about the rebellion of sexual objects (Taboo = beautiful young man, but the Taboo of the title is dueling) and the possible origins of Japanese fascism.

(It's interesting to wonder since Oshima was dying mute in a wheelchair how much of Taboo belongs to the second lead Takeshi Kitano and the crew, but it feels more like an Oshima movie than a Kitano)

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 6:30 PM
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Since this is apparently the thread for any goddamn thing, the pictures from the Russian ambassador assassination are unreal; they look like stills from a 60's Gothard movie set.

The world is feeling crazier and crazier by the day.


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 6:53 PM
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Discussion of the assassination pictures goes in the McCrory thread.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 7:05 PM
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Not to condone political assassination, but we could do worse than have that aesthetic come back.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-19-16 7:43 PM
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Found the Kitzinger. and this

Sensational Flesh: Race, Power, and Masochism (Sexual Cultures) by Amber Jamilla Musser, 2014

"In everyday language, masochism is usually understood as the desire to abdicate control in exchange for sensation--pleasure, pain, or a combination thereof. Yet at its core, masochism is a site where power, bodies, and society come together. Sensational Flesh uses masochism as a lens to examine how power structures race, gender, and embodiment in different contexts."

I'm excited! Not that way

Queer theory is better.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-20-16 10:55 AM
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