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I really love the twee pictures of harvest mice in flowers.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:38 AM
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You just toss that off casually without a link?!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:41 AM
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2: https://www.google.com/search?q=harvest+mice+in+flowers+asleep&safe=active&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS795US810&sxsrf=ACYBGNTZ2AsnVsWEd3RIgUc6kaeG3UWdBw:1579104861620&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje09uCgIbnAhXPHc0KHdUaDQEQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1280&bih=881


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:11 AM
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3: As a librarian I'm remarkably skilled at putting search terms into google, but I don't know anything about formatting.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:13 AM
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No, those are from some children's book on adorable field mice that get bopped on the head. Show me something real.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:40 AM
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As to the big question - are the bees sleeping? - even if the bees are not moving for a significant amount of time in the flower, how would we know? Maybe they are still drinking. Maybe they are planning out how they will overthrow the queen.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:41 AM
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Sometimes the nectar in flowers ferments. Those bees have passed out because they are trashed.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 10:09 AM
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Does anybody really know what time it is?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 10:09 AM
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"They're dead, Jim Heebie."


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 10:12 AM
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I never have the desire to watch candidate/leadership debates. They're never actually informative, let alone interesting or fun.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 10:22 AM
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8: It's 25 or 6 to 4:00.


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 10:34 AM
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10: The last time I tried to watch one, I just couldn't stand it. Everything about it infuriated me.

On the other hand, I watched the entire Golden Globes, so I can't vouch for my taste.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 10:34 AM
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I haven't watched either.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 10:49 AM
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Re: the Senate trial, did I miss something? Pelosi delayed sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate for a few weeks because she wanted assurances that there would be an actual trial with some semblance of rules and evidence, not a farce enshrining "it's OK if you're a Republican" in law. The House has now voted and is getting ready to send those articles to the Senate.

Do we know how the Senate trial will be conducted? Did Pelosi get her assurances?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 11:59 AM
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5: As Hamlet said, "There are cuter things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, heebie."


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 12:00 PM
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14: The problem is that Pelosi can't hold her breath as long as McConnell. She got no assurances.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 12:20 PM
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A resting turtle can hold its breath for seven hours. She shoulda thought that through.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 12:25 PM
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There were reports that at least 4 Republican Senators wanted witnesses? Maybe she had more assurances behind the scenes?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 12:47 PM
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A resting turtle can breathe through its butthole.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 12:54 PM
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Republican behind-the-scenes assurances aren't worth jack shit and Pelosi knows it. She just ultimately didn't have any leverage and at least got more embarrassing evidence to surface, plus Bolton's willingness to testify.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 12:55 PM
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14: Not formally. But waiting has allowed more stuff to happen, including John Bolton saying that he would testify if the Senate subpoenas him. And there are reports that there are at least a few Republicans getting concerned about the optics of a trial where Bolton is saying he can testify to what Trump told him, and the Rs are saying "no, we don't want to hear it." It only takes 4 of them to change the rules.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 12:56 PM
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Ted Cruz has proposed that if the Democrats get to call new witnesses, so do the Republicans, one for one. They will call Hunter and Joe Biden if this happens, allegedly.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 1:08 PM
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Ted Cruz has actual shit for brains.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 1:40 PM
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His brains are better than his ethics.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 1:46 PM
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I do get the sense -- and Trump has really brought it out -- that Ted has a very judicious and appropriate sense of self-loathing.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 1:52 PM
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We know that because of the soup.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 2:17 PM
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Nothing says self-loathing like a 100 cans of Campbell's Chunky Soup.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 2:51 PM
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If Pelosi had stalled another week, it might have meant (could still mean) that Trump would deliver the state of the union message on Feb 4 while under impeachment. That would be a show.
And I'm not especially concerned about Joe or Hunter Biden testifying. The Republicans no doubt will try to throw shit at them, Joe will demonstrate whether he is capable of throwing shit back. If not, then better for Bernie, Warren et al. Hunter Biden didn't actually do anything except take a job that he wasn't otherwise qualified for except for his father being vp. The Repubs have not yet been able to successfully spin that into a big deal and I doubt a Senate hearing would do the trick.


Posted by: No Longer Middle Aged Man | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 2:59 PM
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I want Hollywood to do a shot-for-shot remake of the "Flash Gordon" movie with better special effects. Exact same soundtrack, though.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 3:50 PM
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I want "Glengarry Glen Ross" but with the Flash Gordon soundtrack.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:02 PM
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I'm sure folks have been following the Warren/Sanders thing, and the twitter fallout (eg https://twitter.com/flglmn/status/1217608584474824705, and some of you will have opinions about who knifed whom.

My current theory has to do with the Iowa caucus methodology. As mentioned previously, I think it's a fair bet that Klobuchar's followers are going to fall below the viability threshold in a lot of precincts. Warren wants to get those folks, who might otherwise go to Biden. Hence Warren's invocation of Klobuchar at the debate.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:03 PM
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some of you will have opinions about who knifed whom.

My first suspicion, naturally, is ratfuckery by Mayo Pete.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:24 PM
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I'm very deliberately avoiding learning what this is all about.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:36 PM
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I'm voting for whichever of the two of them is still in it by the NY primary. This whole thing is pointless nonsense.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:43 PM
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Every day somebody from the Democratic Party sends me an email asking me to give them my opinions (and some money). I'm very careful never to send an opinion.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:53 PM
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Or open the emails.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:54 PM
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Mostly I just want my name to appear in a database that says I didn't do absolutely nothing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 6:55 PM
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Warren is kind of badass.

After the debate, Sen. Elizabeth Warren walked over to Sen. Bernie Sanders and declined to shake his hand. "I think you called me a liar on national TV," she told him twice. Sanders replied, "You know, let's not do it right now." He added: "You called me a liar." The conversation was captured on the candidates' debate microphones and released by debate sponsor CNN on Wednesday night.

Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:26 PM
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38: But was that smart? I don't know how this helps her.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:38 PM
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There's a gloss that of course she engineered this whole thing via leaks, but I don't see how that can be definitively known.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:45 PM
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Too soon to tell? She was running in second place on the left and she so needed to shake things up, and she did.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:46 PM
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There's a gloss that of course she engineered this whole thing via leaks

I think she saw Bernie break the truce they had with the talking points thing, and so she decided to bust out what she was keeping in reserve.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:48 PM
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I mean, it's a very plausible narrative that she could have. But I wonder if it feels so intuitive because of the facts, or because of the "manipulative woman" trope. I could also imagine she griped about it in private, and someone leaked it unbidden.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:53 PM
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A Bernie supporter I follow links the audio of their post-debate confrontation and suggests it's all kayfabe. Not sure how that would work but it's another angle.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:57 PM
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44:. For what purpose? Are they planning a pay-per-view one on one brawl?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 7:59 PM
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This is Trumpian Democracy.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:04 PM
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There's a certain amount of kayfabe to all politics.

I think Bernie fucked up by not trying to reconcile on the whole "can women win?" thing. If he had said, "yeah, it was all a miscommunication, of course a woman can win" it would have been a whole lot less interesting. He would have taken his slap on the wrist for breaking the deal and we could have all moved on. But I guess that's not Bernie.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:07 PM
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I thought Warren was very effective in using the question about this to talk about the electability of women in general, and hers particularly. No matter what Sanders said a year ago, the question of her electability is an elephant in the room, and she needed a way to talk about it. And had a good answer: the guys standing here have lost 10 elections between them, and the only people up here who've won every election are Klobuchar and me.

A bit later, Warren said she was the only one on stage who'd beaten a Republican incumbent in the last 30 years, and Sanders argued with her pointing out that he'd beaten a Republican incumbent 29 years and 3 months ago. I'm not sure whether he actually said "well, actually . . ." but that only barely matters.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:21 PM
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That is, imo, she wasn't talking to Sanders or Sanders' followers.

And what's the downside risk for her anyway: that a bunch of bros will say sexist shit? My social media feed is thin on bros, but there were some serious Dem women today talking about how, again, a bunch of men were acting like asses on the internet.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:28 PM
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Sanders annoys me to no end but come on, when the hell has he ever been caught saying something like this? FAKE NEWS.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:29 PM
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48: He said "as a matter of fact".


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:37 PM
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I guess he totally dodged the bullet, then.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:45 PM
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It hurts to see Mom and Dad fight.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 8:46 PM
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Also Annie Kuster (D) here in NH-2 just endorsed Buttigieg, so I'm a bit salty about that. I had thought he might be on the way out.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:03 PM
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I'm voting for whichever of the two of them is still in it by the NY primary. This whole thing is pointless nonsense.

It's dumb but it was inevitable from the time they both decided to run that something like this was going to happen inevitably. So far I don't think it's been as damaging to either one as it could have been, but we'll see.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:52 PM
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That second "inevitably" s/b "eventually."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:53 PM
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Anyway, only five more debates left! Hang in there, guys!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:55 PM
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They are sucking up all the media visibility right now. No one's talking about Pete and Amy. That's good, right?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 9:59 PM
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57 will any include debating ?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 11:57 PM
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No.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-15-20 11:59 PM
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spike in 47 ftw.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 7:43 AM
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Is this for real? I mean she usually is better about not being such an obvious shill prior to voting in lockstep with her party.

Susan Collins throws cold water on new Lev Parnas evidence. "I wonder why the House did not put that into the record and it's only now being revealed." Told it was just turned over, she says: "well doesn't that suggest that the House did an incomplete job then?"


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 7:58 AM
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Nah, she knows her only hope in November is to get the base to turn out.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 8:47 AM
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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 2:47 PM
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Wow, is Buttigieg terminally oblivious. Grown in a vat?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 8:22 PM
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It's a tank. That's our story and we're sticking to it.


Posted by: Opinionated Tleilaxu | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 8:28 PM
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Indiana?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 8:35 PM
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Indiana Dunes.


Posted by: Opinionated Tleilaxu | Link to this comment | 01-16-20 8:41 PM
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|| January 17 is the birthday of, arguably, the two most admired living women in the U.S ||


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-17-20 7:52 AM
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