Re: Check Ins, Reassurances, and Concerns, 9/7

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I saw Shang Chi and the Ten Rings, and have many thoughts about it, which I will express, unsolicited, here (mild spoilers ahead throughout, major spoilers marked):

1. I went in without a lot of expectations, but M wanted to support the film, and I wasn't going to say no to watching Tony Leung on the big screen.

It was really fun. I dislike superhero films generally, but this turned out to be mostly a martial arts/HK gangster movie. The Marvel bits were bad but mostly didn't get in the way - I actually kind of forgot that I was watching a Marvel movie at all until Sean and Katy went to the Macanese fight club. When that big Hulk-looking monster showed up in the ring, I felt a pang of disappointment. But for the most part, the clunky Marvel/Disney elements (the LED bracelets, the Disneyfied fantasy creatures in Ta Lo, some annoyingly quippy dialogue) were easy to disregard, until the end, when -

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- the story is essentially over, Wenwu having been defeated, and for some reason we are made to watch ten minutes of dragons fighting each other? It was so visually incoherent that I literally couldn't understand what I was seeing. Every Marvel movie I've seen has been like this - unpleasantly chaotic and messy to the point of incomprehensibility. Why are these films so popular?

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2. The Wenwu flashbacks felt like a love letter to 90s-early 2000s Chinese-language cinema: the John Woo action movie, the Hong Kong romantic weepy, the Chinese wuxia film, Wong Kar Wai. I teared up a lot, for reasons having nothing to do with the plot. Tony Leung was an inspired choice to play Wenwu. Fala Chen was very good, but I would have loved to have seen Maggie Cheung, or Carina Lau, or even Zhang Ziyi.

It made me feel so sentimental, and very old. There were so many interesting types of popular film in the 90s, and now everything is just a subgenre of Marvel movie.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 8:51 AM
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They're going to remake "My Diner with Andre" and it will include a ten minute long pod racing scene.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 8:54 AM
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2 would watch

1 I hate superhero movies with a passion but I will watch this soley because of Tony Leung


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 9:21 AM
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3.2: I was worried that there would be, like, ten minutes of Tony Leung and I would be annoyed and bored for the remainder of the time. The ratios were fortunately reversed, and TL really does not disappoint.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 9:31 AM
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It turns out you can only see this movie right now if you go sit in a room with a bunch of strangers.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 9:36 AM
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Once you've shared a potentially deadly infectious agent with someone, can you really call them a stranger?


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 9:40 AM
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I was too young during the 80s to know.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 9:40 AM
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Had a good weekend; got to join my wife at her practice yesterday and listen to her practice with the band. There was a pool and potluck, which was nice for those of us who weren't playing instruments. Also, one of my first adult "show up but bring a book" cultures -- with the band playing, talking doesn't work so well, so checking out into books made sense.


Posted by: Mooseking | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 11:13 AM
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8: As long as you didn't put on headphones, I guess that's not too insulting.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 11:45 AM
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folks may enjoy this article on the bus figt scene in the movie (and a lot more .... ) https://www.kqed.org/arts/13902470/shang-chi-bus-fight-chase-muni-chinatown-san-francisco


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 11:57 AM
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Climate change hit close to home last week, when Ida spawned the largest tornado in the history of the noble state of New Jersey, which touched down five miles from my house. Unaccountably, it bypassed a mobile home park and matchsticked a row of ten recent construction McMansions. It also damaged a few blocks of more ordinary homes and some farms. The McMansions had basements, and people received the warning, so no serious injuries. Probably would have been a bigger story except that New York City flooded out later the same night. Our own home was not touched.

The National Weather Service sent us simultaneous tornado and flood warnings, requiring us to both go down to the basement and stay out of the basement. Does this happen regularly in other parts of the country? We picked (b), which was probably the correct choice.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 12:13 PM
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I've been within five miles of a more times that I can recall.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 12:22 PM
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Plus "tornado."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 12:26 PM
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unpleasantly chaotic and messy to the point of incomprehensibility. Why are these films so popular?

Culturally neutral export commodity


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 12:36 PM
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Laydeez!


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 12:43 PM
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I started Eve's Hollywood. I'm 10% in and apparently still reading the acknowledgments?


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 12:50 PM
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11: I seem to recall that you live close to my brother, who shared some tweet like "Be sure to seek cover in your basement in case of tornado and be sure to stay out of your basement in case of flooding."


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 12:58 PM
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16: Is it like a speech at the Oscars, but there's no orchestra?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 1:10 PM
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Still has cleavage.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 1:27 PM
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Somehow, I didn't know that people drowning in basements was a thing. In Maryland, we only had one fatality that I know about -- a couple miles from me -- and that's how it happened. But I see that NY/NJ had a bunch of those, too. Cars I knew about ...


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 1:36 PM
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They're on every street.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 2:21 PM
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Barring unpredictable barriers, I'll be in Chicago for purely recreational purposes for about 52 hours from afternoon Tuesday 9/21 to early evening Thursday 9/23. No car of course. Any recommendations, biased toward but not completely limited to outdoor amenities?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 2:44 PM
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The lake is nice.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 3:07 PM
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It turns out you can only see this movie right now if you go sit in a room with a bunch of strangers.

That's what's keeping me from seeing Shang Chi at the moment. This was a fun bit about Tony Leung's involvement.

After his very first conversation with Leung as part of the casting process for the movie, Maui director Destin Daniel Cretton learned later on that Leung was in fact on the call to turn the role down.

"The first time that I spoke to Tony was on the phone, and he told me later that he wasn't going to do the movie," shared Cretton during a round table media interview with Geek Culture.

"But he agreed to get on the phone with me, and we just talked about life. We talked about our families, it was a very open conversation, and then we spoke about the character and what the character meant to me," said Cretton, who had no idea after the call if the Hong Kong superstar would sign on for the film.

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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 3:16 PM
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I should probably catch up on watching all the actually good Tony Leung films before seeing this one, I realize.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 3:59 PM
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24: That was fun to read. Thank you!

25: You didn't ask for recommendations, but I'm giving them anyway:

Really great:
City of Sadness
Hardboiled
Bullet in the Head
Ashes of Time

Essential:
Red Cliff
Infernal Affairs
In the Mood for Love
2046
The Grandmaster

My favorite movies of all time:
Chungking Express
Happy Together
Days of Being Wild

It's best to watch the WKW movies in order of release.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 4:26 PM
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Thank you! I hardly ever watch movies, but I did get talked into "In the Mood for Love" a few years ago by friends, and thought the ending really kicked it up into a class of its own. I also loved "Chungking Express" to pieces as a younger person.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 4:54 PM
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I was a bit confused by 26 before I realized there was a "My favorite movies of all time" category coming later.

If you want to see his ballsack, there's also Lust, Caution.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 5:39 PM
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True story, RWM and my first date was supposed to be to see 2046 at the Roxie in SF, but we didn't realize that there were two screens at that theater and accidentally ended up in Prozac Nation and by the time we realized it it was too late to switch. Boy that was a Bad Movie.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 5:42 PM
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22: I'll miss you by a day! Chicago has a not-especially-high caseload right now, but the weather should be gorgeous so outside ought to be a pleasant option.

Intelligentsia coffee is nice. Dark Matter is, too, but it's more out of the way. Lakeview is a nice neighborhood to stroll. The Art Institute is always great. The lakeshore has a nice long walk past the museums. Avoid Michigan Ave.

Horrible person closes amazing restaurant because he is horrible, opens new one and hopes everyone forgets he's horrible (haven't been to this one yet, but the prior incarnation was amazing):
https://www.noodlebird.com/

Rick Bayless makes tasty food. Also, there are a few neighborhoods where they've closed streets in order to put lots of tables outdoors.

Indoors, but an exhibit of privately held Banksy art:
https://www.banksyexhibit.com/chicago/

Ravinia is outdoor classical concerts. Not the best possible option for a show, but probably still nice.
https://www.ravinia.org/ShowDetails/1906/lincoln-trio



Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 5:50 PM
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My son is trying to convince me that he shouldn't have to take honors geometry because its distracting from his YouTube channel. He makes a fair point: homework sucks.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 6:03 PM
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28.2: :( I don't. What I actually want is, of course, to see Hong Kong headed out of the cinematic past into a different actual future, which might make revisiting the canon a squirmy experience. I think we talked about that already, though.

I enjoyed my few months of deluded optimism/ aggressive ignorance earlier this year. That was a great relief.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 6:07 PM
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20- The stuff of nightmares. (Despite the screaming, or maybe because of it, the person in the video escaped.)


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 6:14 PM
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I don't want to say trying to see art is pointless in Chicago, but when I tried it they had put American Gothic out for rent and didn't even put up a sign outside saying so before you paid the entrance fee.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 6:15 PM
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I guess I did see the one they stood in front of in Ferris Bueller.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 6:34 PM
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30. Good advice , inexplicable omission to write Pilsen and Andersonville.

Divvy to get around works pretty well, city is mostly a grid. Side streets parallel to heavy traffic main roads often work. Extra attention at underpasses or 6-corner intersections.


I'm watching in the mood for love now. Great typewriters there.



Posted by: Lw | Link to this comment | 09- 7-21 7:28 PM
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26 is a great list of recommendations.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 2:05 AM
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I'm not sure if there have ever been two more striking looking leads than In the Mood for Love.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 2:50 AM
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Ferris and Sloane?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 4:55 AM
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Is Ferris particularly striking? He's cute.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:08 AM
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He's striking a blow for the common self- centered future agent of the patriarchy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:16 AM
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He means well.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:19 AM
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Yes, he knows what's best for others.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:31 AM
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I just successfully gave away a piano, after trying for years. I am so pleased.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:54 AM
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Well done!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:55 AM
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Like a person showed up and took it? Or it went out the window without killing anyone on the ground?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:59 AM
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Two people -- moving a piano by yourself would be tricky. It's going to a farm in the country a music school.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 6:08 AM
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You need a building with a piano hoist.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 6:30 AM
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You should have wished for a 12" pianist.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 7:45 AM
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Is that an option on Tinder?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 9:57 AM
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16. like emoji. The acknowledgements, especially her family background, are pretyy interesting.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 11:21 AM
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Goddamnit. So Pokey tested positive on Thursday the 2nd. We're all wearing masks around the house and it sucks a lot. We decided to test him today to see if we could at least take the masks off...his OTC test pink line showed up within minutes. (You're supposed to give it 15 minutes.) He's still spewing out TONS of this shit.

And now that we're nearing the end, it would suck even WORSE if Rascal or Ace caught it from Pokey! I am growing faint.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 12:21 PM
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Dammit. I am so sorry!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 12:32 PM
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52: yeah, that sucks. Do you have a HEPA purifier that you could put in the bedroom? Open all your windows too.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 12:36 PM
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So, I realize this is asking probably too much, but could you take him to an indoor anti-mask rally.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 12:39 PM
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52: Yikes.

55 made me laugh.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 12:45 PM
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Me too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 1:15 PM
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Ugh, that's awful. I'm so sorry.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 3:27 PM
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This implies that he's not too contagious and could still shed for another ten days, which helps support why they don't require a negative test before returning to life: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:08 PM
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You should still give each family member their own spoon at dinner.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:09 PM
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Next time we're not letting them make out with each other, either.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 5:28 PM
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Florida wouldn't allow you to have that rule.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 6:19 PM
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My mom called me in advance of my birthday (I was mid-kid-bathtime and couldn't answer) in case I was out celebrating on my actual birthday. Then she speculated if I wasn't answering the phone because I was out celebrating tonight. She and my dad (divorced 30 years, but hey) are going out together tomorrow for my birthday. I approve of celebrating moms on the birthdays of their kids, but I'm wondering how to have the conversation that I'm still not going out anywhere.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 6:25 PM
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The old "let's recreate the conception" play.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-21 6:53 PM
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59: I think that's talking about PCR, because you can shed RNA for months. I don't know if that applies to the rapid antigen tests. That's also pre delta. People with delta seem to shed more, though it's not clear how much of that is infectious viriins. Where's Cryptic Ned when we need him?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 2:01 AM
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So, if a woodpecker is pecking at my siding, does that mean I'm not a moment too late in having a contractor redo the siding?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 8:23 AM
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A kid that sits behind Cassidy in one class tested positive over the weekend, so she was identified as a close contact on Tuesday (Day 10 of the school year). Home test came back negative so probably all clear, but this year is almost certainly going to be a shit show.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 9:22 AM
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When I was contact tracing, our guidance was explicit. Ten days from a first positive test is the extent of isolation, regardless of future tests.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 9:32 AM
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Ten days, pooping on heebie's sheets.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 9:41 AM
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When you're sliding into home
And your pants are full of foam
Malaria
Malaria


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 11:57 AM
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OH jesus, Heebie, that sounds horrible.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 12:12 PM
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Where are you all getting home tests? Utah's testing requires three hour waits in line right now, and it's only a matter of time before the Calabat gets exposed.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 12:58 PM
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Around here (MA) most retail drugstores have supplies of rapid antigen tests (Most of the time. Supply is kind of bursty.)


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 1:22 PM
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None within 50 miles of me do. Arg.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 1:46 PM
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Jeez. Yeah, here they're at grocery stores and any old walgreens. Can you order them off Amazon?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 1:52 PM
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These are available online: https://www.emed.com/products/covid-at-home-testkit-six-pack? . I haven't used them, but AWB recommended them on FB.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 1:52 PM
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I'm afraid that if I start testing, I'll never stop because coughing is a symptom of existing for me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 2:07 PM
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Also, the whole household is vaccinated.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 2:10 PM
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I was skeptical of the idea of Matrix 4, but from the trailer it looks like the greatest movie ever made.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 2:13 PM
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CVS.com has them available online for shipping.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 2:41 PM
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I was skeptical of a Dune movie, but the trailer has got me wanting to see that one, too.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 3:36 PM
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I liked the one with Sean Young.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 3:40 PM
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I have a very petty gripe and I'm disproportionately irritated about it.

Pokey tested positive on Thursday 9/2. If he'd had symptoms, then we could have backdated his isolation to the onset of symptoms. But he's asymptomatic. So 9/2 is day Zero. Sunday, 9/13 is day 10. He goes back on Monday.

The thing that's killing me is Pokey and Ace. They were last exposed on Thursday morning, and we started isolating Pokey/wearing masks by mid-morning, 9/2. HOWEVER. Their Day 0 is not until Friday, 9/3. That is KILLING ME. Why would Day 0 need to be postponed? How is that not the point of a day 0, other than to count as your exposure day? The nurse says that 24 hours has to be free of exposure to count as your Day 0. WHAT.

And what it means is that they have to stay home on Monday, 9/14. (Which is MASSIVELY inconvenient from the point of view of trying to get my own students to keep track of whether we're meeting remotely or in person. And thus my outsized irritation.)

(Jammies is going to stay home instead. It's fine. FINE. But it's SO DUMB. That's not how counting works!)


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 3:52 PM
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Have you considered, "My calendar was broken. It was mid-morning of September 1"?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 4:01 PM
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I already politely explained that I thought maybe we had miscounted, and she politely explained how I didn't properly understand how many zeros you have to have before you can start counting.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 4:07 PM
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If you are counting over 99, you need to be sure to start with two zeros.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-21 4:57 PM
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79, 81: Just in case this hasn't gone around lately, here's how to make a blockbuster movie trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAOdjqyG37A

The trailers for Dune and Matrix 4 match up to this with almost by-the-second precision.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 12:58 AM
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My calendar was broken. It was mid-morning of September 1.

And then the murders began.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 12:59 AM
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76: Wow, that's pricey. Here in ETLE, you can buy what seems to be the same kind of test for about a buck a piece:
https://www.lidl.de/p/5er-set-clungene-covid-19-rapid-antigen-schnelltest/p100327202


Posted by: Genosse, Esq. | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 1:26 AM
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Here I can walk across the street to the surgery where they hand them out in packs of fifteen.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 2:00 AM
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89 and 90: My husband's bos was in Germany at corporate headquarters, snd I asked him to buy some and bring them back. I think they are free to residents but can be purchased by anyone for less than 1 Euro

Biden just announced a plan to get out more rapid tests, but it sounded like they were still going to be too expensive.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 2:30 AM
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There's a trailer formula, but it's the best formula.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 2:57 AM
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That would drive me crazy too. This is clearly a screw up at some point down the line, you're obviously right about the reason to start at zero. Do you know if this nurse is wrong or if it somehow got screwed up earlier along the line?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause, endlessly then go in.” (9) | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 3:03 AM
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Also I'm in Germany! Feels good to finally leave the country, and also feels comforting during the pandemic to be in an actual society where people follow rules of behavior.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: “Pause, endlessly then go in.” (9) | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 3:04 AM
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94: Hi from Berlin!


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 3:26 AM
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"Germany calling. "


Posted by: Opinionated Lord Haw Haw | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 3:32 AM
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FB just recommended that I friend my high-school AP Physics teacher. Turns out he went to law school after quitting teaching, and spent years working in the office where I work now. We've even both won the Lefkowitz award for outstanding service to the State of New York (I mean, I've won it twice, but who's counting). Funny parallelism there.

He was really a very good physics teacher.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 4:20 AM
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Maybe it's not his fault, but somebody didn't teach you what counting is.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 4:42 AM
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Two, one, zero - der Alarm ist rot
Wien in Not


Posted by: Opinionated Falco | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 4:53 AM
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comforting during the pandemic to be in an actual society where people follow rules of behavior

I had this exact feeling in Mexico.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 5:49 AM
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Mexico is known for its deeply ingrained sense of order.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 5:56 AM
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We're on our 8th day zero, at least. Only a few more zeros and then it will add up to zero.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:23 AM
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In seriousness, we got Ace and Rascal PCR tests yesterday. If those come back negative, and with Pokey on his 9th day zero since testing positive and never having symptoms, then I think we can at least take these goddamn masks off inside the house, and have kids go back to sleeping in their own bedroom and eating together, etc. That at least will make life easier.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:25 AM
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Hope the results are good.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:34 AM
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100: Does anybody in the US feel that way about their own neighborhood? My personal experience is that people pretty much followed the rules through the pandemic.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:36 AM
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103: Sending negative vibes.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:36 AM
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Keep laying those eggs team Heebie!


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105: My county has been great -- Maryland DC suburbs. I reluctantly agree that the kids needed to be back in school, with masks.

In the summer, when it looked like the pandemic was basically over (remember that?) the local Costco bottomed out at around an 85% mask-wearing rate.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 7:18 AM
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I don't even have a membership because they can't sell alcohol here.


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I've heard that a Costco is coming to Heebieville and I'm kinda excited.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 7:49 AM
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Our locality lured Costco in via an absurd level of tax breaks -- and, uh, I don't mind. It's a terrific amenity.

My stupid state doesn't let them sell alcohol either.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 8:13 AM
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Our state had the bizarre rule that any chain store can only sell liquor at three of their locations in the state. Some Costcos still have the physical setup from this rule, so at some of them the alcohol is in the store and you pay along with your six liter bottle of olive oil and gallon jar of pickles. At other stores you have to check out the go into a little separated space with its own registers and buy your alcohol in a separate transaction (which used to be an entirely separate business.) Although the people who look at your receipts on the way out check both of them.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 8:31 AM
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Oh hey, got a new job. So when this one finishes at the end of the year (or pandemic) I am off up north to the Dark Sky Country.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:29 AM
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Oh hey, got a new job. So when this one finishes at the end of the year (or pandemic) I am off up north to the Dark Sky Country.


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Oh hey, got a new job. So when this one finishes at the end of the year (or pandemic) I am off up north to the Dark Sky Country.


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Oh hey, got a new job. So when this one finishes at the end of the year (or pandemic) I am off up north to the Dark Sky Country.


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Oh hey, got a new job. So when this one finishes at the end of the year (or pandemic) I am off up north to the Dark Sky Country.


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Oh hey, got a new job. So when this one finishes at the end of the year (or pandemic) I am off up north to the Dark Sky Country.


Posted by: Ajay | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:29 AM
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Clearly I'm terribly excited about it.


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I think you're going to succeed in making the per capita death toll in the UK lower than in the US. So I hope you get a celebratory vacation in between.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:37 AM
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113-118: I googled this and according to google you are going to Niue. But, I'm pretty sure that is south of where you are now.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:44 AM
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Is that where Ursula LeGuin set her trilogy, or am I thinking of the wrong writer? Congrats both to you and Heebie,


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:48 AM
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Congrats, ajay!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:50 AM
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121: If you go far enough north you end up going south again. Round earth and all that.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:51 AM
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So the Democrats say.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:52 AM
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124: Thanks, teo! That makes sense, but it seems like there might be an easier way.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:54 AM
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The math is simpler if you assume a flat Earth.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:55 AM
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Congrats! Is this the one with the multiple interminable interviews?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:56 AM
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No. The elephants standing on a turtle.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:58 AM
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Congratulations!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 9:58 AM
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Or vice versa. It's been a long time since I was in a science class.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:01 AM
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Just remember that it's turtles all the way down.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:05 AM
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Down to the elephant.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:09 AM
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The theory is underspecified on that point.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:11 AM
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Congratulations ajay! I know how hard it is to get a job when you're interviewed by turtles and an elephant, since they such different priorities.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:16 AM
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I think it's ajays all the way down, but congrats to all of them!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:20 AM
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Congratulations, Ajay!


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:32 AM
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87: I want to see that movie, too.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 10:48 AM
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Way to go, ajay!


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112: A while ago there was a referendum to get that changed. Bizarrely it didn't pass.

The other one is the requirement that stores sell from Massachusetts distributors. So, if I want to buy a wine from some place like Ontario that a distributor doesn't carry it's nearly impossible. I believe that Trader Joe's had to set up as a distributor to sell 2 (3 really) buck chuck.


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140: There was not a referendum to get that changed, as such. The 2006 referendum was to layer on an additional type of license that would be only for selling wine (not beer, not liquor, not sure whose head would explode if you tried to sell cider) and would be only available to food stores (though so carelessly defined that any random 7-11 with a basket of bananas on the counter would have qualified), but was not in fact limited in number. There was almost a 2020 referendum to allow a wine+beer license to food stores, driven largely by a convenience store chain, but it was withdrawn from the ballot measure process.

(And the per-owner license was raised from 3 to 9 over a period of years)


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 11:08 AM
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141 The grocery stores really wanted it to pass, and I'm not sure why it didn't.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 11:12 AM
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Well, I'm probably going to be fired soon. Long overdue, really.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 1:41 PM
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Good luck. Hopefully it's just imposter syndrome. If not, start looking around for what to drop in the toilet on your way out.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 2:04 PM
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143: So sorry Eggplant.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 2:30 PM
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Thanks. It's real; I've been a shuffling husk of an only sporadically productive employee for five years now and the money, patience, and charity have run out.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 2:36 PM
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Best wishes finding a new job.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 3:16 PM
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Do you have an idea of what would work better for you for a next job? My general recommendation for "I can't even think about my life" for anyone with the general literacy level around here is to call a legal staffing agency and look for temp paralegal work, but you probably have a more specific plan.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 3:54 PM
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"I can't even think about my life"
you probably have a more specific plan
It's like one moment you know me and the next we're strangers.


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So, try it for what it's worth. Mindless work, but the kind of thing you need to be bright to do successfully, and pays pretty well.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 4:18 PM
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Usually what people do when they need a job and have no specific goal is remake The Wicker Man.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 4:34 PM
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I haven't been able to write anything coherent longer than two sentences since high school, and even that is difficult. I feel like that might be a problem for a paralegal, not to mention any number of other jobs.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:08 PM
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I am prepared to defend my hopelessness against all comers.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:08 PM
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Did you split that into two comments to avoid having written three coherent sentences?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:11 PM
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153: Have you considered running for President?


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152:. I'm not really sure what paralegals generally do, but I would be surprised if it involves more writing than an Unfogged comment.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 6:23 PM
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The managing partner takes out the cock jokes before filing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 7:20 PM
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I'm sorry Eggie!

When Jammies was fired, he switched to teaching high school, and it is a staggering amount of work for shitty pay and disrespectful admin that are also frequently inept. Does that seem like something you'd enjoy?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 7:28 PM
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So, I just learned that the arduous work capacity test for wildfire fighters is being able to walk 3 miles in 15 minutes with a 45 pound pack. In metric, that's 4.8 km in 27,000 deciseconds with a 20.4kg pack. I can do it in a bit under an hour.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 8:03 PM
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I went over to FB just now and saw one of my oldest and dearest friends posted something ambiguously anti-vaxx, about medical freedom. And she stayed coy in the comments when people were like "is this about vaccinations?"

ugh, wtf. I noped out of there and I hate FB.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 8:06 PM
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If it wasn't for pictures of my nieces and nephew, I'd delete it again.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 8:14 PM
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I've been posting less and less to Facebook and apparently most of my friends are as well because it's almost all "name a fish without an e" and "your stripper name" any more. I keep checking it thinking I will find something interesting to read, but that's getting rarer and rarer.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-10-21 11:20 PM
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Yeah, FB has really gone down the tubes lately. For all its own faults, Twitter seems to be where serious, substantive communication is happening these days on the interwebs. I still haven't signed up myself but I'm getting very close.


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156: is it? LB would know, but I thought a lot of it was managing and organizing documents. As a client dealing with one in a non-litigation setting, they handled all of the routine pieces of an administrative application and coordinated with people but did not need to write the way that the lawyer needed to.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 12:49 AM
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Very sorry eggplant. Good luck


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 1:40 AM
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I enjoyed tutoring and used to want to be a teacher, but I don't think I can handle any job with that amount of social interaction. Maybe on my best days I could manage but on my bad days some social interactions and environments are reliable triggers for transient psychotic episodes.


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Paralegals do a lot of things, but the sort of job I'm thinking of wouldn't be a writing job at all -- you'd need the writing skills necessary to send a clearly comprehensible email about how you'd sorted through a bunch of documents, but not to write prose about them.


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159: Walk at 12 mph? That can't be right, regardless of the pack. Run with a pack, sure, but that's not a walking pace.


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166: Eggplant - are you getting any help with the mental issues@? If you're not, you might find that you're able to do more than you realize if you can get help.


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124: 121: If you go far enough north you end up going south again. Round earth and all that.

Also how we define north-south as opposed to east-west (what with lats and longs being different beasts).

I enjoy various "paradoxes"/odd facts that result.

Only able to go south at the North Pole is easy to see, then once you go south there are still a lot more ways to go southerly than northerly. And that is the case (to a continually decreasing extent) until you get to the Equator. Which also means except at the Equator east and west are not directly opposite each other. (I should figure out by how much at say 40°.)

Also the distance any point is east or west of you is not well-defined unless it is at the same latitude (unlike N-S). It is path dependent. At the extreme there is always two paths (through a pole) that only go north and south*.

*Hmm, but those paths also exist for points at the same latitude, however it seems intuitive to use the distance along the latitude as "westness." But then I think that generalizes to "westness" being the maximum net westness for any path. (And which I further conjecture will be a great circle route.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 5:25 AM
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168: Sorry, typo, 45 minutes, so 4 mph.


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Yes. It looks like there are three levels of test:

Pack Test - This is a job-related test to determine an individual's ability to perform the minimum standards of arduous duty. It consists of completing a 3-mile walk over level terrain in 45 minutes or less while carrying a 45-pound pack.
Field Test - This is a job-related test to determine an individual's ability to perform the minimum standards of moderate duty. It consists of completing a 2-mile walk over level terrain in 30 minutes or less while carrying a 25-pound pack.
Walk Test - This is a job-related test to determine an individual's ability to perform the minimum standards of light duty. The test consists of completing a 1-mile walk over level terrain in 16 minutes or less with no load.


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I don't follow. Do you just mean that near the poles the longitudes are closer together? Oh, I see: It's faster to go sideways when you're closest to the pole. I was thinking about great circles diagonally through the starting and ending point, and missing the point.


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The metric version was right.


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173; I'm still pondering that one (but not enough to stop doom-scrolling and playing online Boggle to put pencil to paper).

If my conjecture is correct, a great circle route is both the shortest path and the one that goes the most net west or east (not really sure how to measure that, I think integrate something along the path...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 6:28 AM
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Marketing-wise, I think pretty much any place on the equator could market itself as the East Pole.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 6:35 AM
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Anyway, supposedly 3 miles in 45 minutes with 45 pounds is the physical-fitness equivalent of being able to run 1.5 miles in 11:40 (unladen). I don't think I could run that fast, but I might be able to do the pack test if I keep at it. I would probably be a few minutes faster just by finding level ground.


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If my conjecture is correct, a great circle route is both the shortest path and the one that goes the most net west or east (not really sure how to measure that, I think integrate something along the path...

I'm thinking the "longest east/west" route is just the one where you stick to longitude and latitude lines, and take the latitude that is most equitorial.

OR just start off going any direction at an irrational angle and just keep wrapping around until you get there.


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I guess you have to keep bending as you go. Otherwise any straight path would loop you home again.

I always feel like I'm revealing myself to be the WORST mathematician when I muse about these things, because I basically haven't retained anything and just have to reason it out like a n00b.


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169: Off and on for decades. CBT is probably the only reason I'm stable right now. Psychiatry hasn't been very helpful but I'm starting it again with the hope that my better grasp of my symptoms will lead to a better outcome.


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169: Off and on for decades. CBT is probably the only reason I'm stable right now. Psychiatry hasn't been very helpful but I'm starting it again with the hope that my better grasp of my symptoms will lead to a better outcome.


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Yeah, actually my thing is wrong. Go south (or north) to the Equator, go west to correct longitude and then go north. And that is for some level of "simple" path, otherwise you can go south a bit and just circle around forever. Forget I said anything.... The great circle thing was a brain fart.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 8:09 AM
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180,181: oh good, we're all in agreement then


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 8:09 AM
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Sadly, federal wildland firefighters must be under the age of 37.


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183 is excellent. Good luck and vent as much as you need to.


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162 I'm not going to post this on FB, but it may be the best thing you read this weekend: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women

163 Remember: never tweet, and only follow professionals. Curation is easier than FB, because it's unilateral. You can add and drop people without anyone caring at all.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 11:40 AM
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186: We've tweeted for practical things. It was the most effective way to solve an issue with the Registry of Motor Vehicles. They monitor it and then follow up my Direct Message.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 12:42 PM
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Did my first pack test this year. It was an uncomfortably fast walk. The weight was fine but it was fast enough you're like, 'you sure I can't just jog for a bit?' But no. Can't run around fires because of the tripping danger or something. I think it was the field test described above. If I do go to a fire (we can get deployed) it's just be for logistics anyway


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 2:01 PM
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I didn't realize anybody here knew about the test and I have a question. Are you allowed trekking poles? My hips don't like downhill without them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 2:36 PM
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So, today I saw a kid get hit by an SUV. I didn't know the kid and I'm not even certain he wasn't a youthful-look adult, but he was just crossing the street and he was with the light and in the crosswalk. It was very vivid, because of the watching him bleed from the head while waiting for an ambulance. The ambulance was very fast and the police even faster, but it still seemed like forever. The driver stopped, but started to walk back to his car saying he was going to park better. An older Orthodox gentleman in one of the cylindrical fur hats told somebody to go get the plate, which somebody did but not me since I was on the phone with 911. The driver did drive away, which seems poorly advised because there were like ten people there by that point and it's not easy to be inconspicuous in a Land Rover anyway.


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190: ugh, that's horrible. I hope the victim is OK. My wife was there seconds after an old guy got hit two weeks ago and found out today he's still in a coma. It's upsetting.


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It's not in the news, so I figure he must not be hurt that badly. Fortunately, there was a woman who was closer and she was the one who stayed right there with him.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 4:52 PM
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Anyone else wondering if it's just a coincidence that Biden pulls the U.S. out of Afghanistan and the next week Steve from Blue's Clues starts appearing in public again?


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I think poles would be okay? But it has to be flat terrain for the test so they might not help.

And sorry you saw that. Take care of yourself.


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 6:18 PM
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I'm fine. Unfortunately, my son was with me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 6:48 PM
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190: oh god, I'd have a hard time after witnessing that. How awful.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 8:52 PM
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South Dakota tags? Probably the state Attorney General.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 09-11-21 11:33 PM
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It wasn't very Dakotan. The cause was basically the Pittsburgh Left.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-21 6:12 AM
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Goddam hippies.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-12-21 11:07 AM
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I got my flu shot already. I figure I've got enough things that seem like covid symptoms in my life right now, so I'll do what I can when I get a chance.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-21 7:01 PM
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The United States looks ready to pass the United Kingdom in covid deaths per capita in the next day or two.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-13-21 8:11 AM
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In fact, we have arrived. According to the Our World In Data web site, the US is at 1,982.40 deaths per million, and the UK is 1,972.30.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-13-21 10:22 AM
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I'm looking at Johns Hopkins.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-13-21 10:29 AM
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I don't think it's fair to blame them specifically for all the deaths.


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They know what they did.


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I would like to see it on an excess deaths basis not just the official toll.


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206: The FT's coronavirus coverage has excess deaths expressed as percentage increase over expected deaths. Compared to excess deaths per capita, that's probably biased slightly towards older or less healthy countries. And their graphs are tiny. Anyway, the UK is up 17%, the US is up 18%. There are quite a few countries that are even worse, notably Mexico at 55% and Peru at a heartbreaking 123%.


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207. India's not among the FT's charts, but is apparently quite bad, reported covid deaths about 10% of calculated excess deaths. Roughly doubles global death toll.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-30093-new-covid-19-cases-are-lowest-daily-figure-4-mths-2021-07-20/


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