Re: Check Ins, Reassurances, and Concerns, 7/14

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I don't MEAN to forget to do these.

Anyway, I am hugely enjoying my hotel room and I feel incredibly bad for Jammies. Not only is he in lockdown with four kids, the high was 106° yesterday, and the AC is broke. And total he extended 5 days of single parenting to 9 days of single parenting. Remind me that I am indebted for the rest of my life, should it ever come up.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 5:02 AM
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Maybe he should go to a different hotel, one with air conditioning.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 5:29 AM
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Being in hotel rooms with kids is pretty awful.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 5:33 AM
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My poor mother.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 5:44 AM
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My months-long proxy battle with a school district has resulted in victory! Or at least in capitulation on a major issue; the district finally admitted that there are no qualified evaluators in-state and could we give them the contact info for the ones we found in CA.

The Director of Special Ed did not apologize for all the incredibly brusque and inaccurate emails she sent the parents, or for ignoring so many emails over so many months, but she did suddenly get on the ball and call people the same day she got their phone numbers. So I think my strategy of CCing 30 school district staff from the superintendent down paid off.

Anyway I'm going to Fremont next week for 3 days of evaluation for an adorable 4yo facing 12 years of education in a state that has zero professionals who are capable of teaching or assessing her. I'm glad the school district is going to pay for the evaluation and deeply pessimistic about what else is going to happen to her.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 6:40 AM
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Yascha Mounk:Ann Applebaum::Pete Buttigieg:


Posted by: Nope@nope.com | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 6:48 AM
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Are we waiting to learn about Buttigieg or is he being called unique?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 7:09 AM
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5: Best wishes. It's great you've gotten the first small victory.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 7:10 AM
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Yascha Mounk:Ann Applebaum::Pete Buttigieg:Banned Analogies?


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 7:20 AM
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5: That's great! Good luck!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 7:58 AM
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So I've finally been kicked out of my office, and my new workspace is a dump. It's a good thing I'm completely indifferent to my material surroundings. But I did like having some privacy. It's silly because I go hours without seeing anyone ere, but I still feel exposed.

And if that wasn't enough tragedy, just after I got back into my routine of going to the movies on Monday night, my movie theatre decided to stop showing movies Monday-Wednesday. Why can't they understand that the fact that so few people come on Monday nights is exactly what makes it so necessary?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:08 AM
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11: +h


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:08 AM
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When did you get promoted to British?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:12 AM
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13: I just wish I would get promoted to the position of person who gets Moby's jokes.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:15 AM
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You dropped an 'h' and spelled "theater" the British way.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:28 AM
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15: Oh, you're right! I guess it's time to start working on my accent.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:39 AM
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16 Just repeat after me, In Hertford, Hereford, and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly ever happen.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:55 AM
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Oops, left out the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUQpoyfbWJ0


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 8:57 AM
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That link was already in my head from the comment text.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 9:07 AM
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That sucks, peep.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 11:26 AM
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I finally got Covid, so that's fun. On the first week of me being officially remote for work, and one week before I'm supposed to be on vacation. So far, not much more than fever/tiredness.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 11:40 AM
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You should have gone remote sooner.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 12:04 PM
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Also, hope you recover soon and fully.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 12:08 PM
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We're still alive and well. My wife's manager finally is attending the big concert they've been anticipating for months today; not-coincidentally, today is also the day that the three people who came down with Covid came back to work. They're 8+ days post exposure and 5 days post symptoms - does anyone know what the current understanding re: infectious time is? I know that we all assumed that the 5 day guidelines were the CDC rushing people back to work... but is there a good way to tell if you're infectious? Since the PCR tests will show elevated antibodies for months, right?

1: Glad you're getting to enjoy a hotel room mini-vacation! When my wife and I drove up to see the Indigo Girls, it was nice getting an evening in a hotel almost like normal again. (Way back at the beginning of Covid we stayed overnight in Mammoth Lakes unexpectedly, and it was a very not-normal experience, since the hotels and everyone else were navigating the new protocols, and were still emphasizing the infectiousness of surfaces, etc.)


Posted by: Mooseking | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 1:38 PM
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My understanding is that rapid tests are still a good indicator post-Covid. My employer has a testing program for staff that uses PCR and they told me not to use it for 90 days now that I actually have Covid. But rapid tests are ok.

MPOW also ignored the CDC and says don't come back in person for 10 days, but if you really need to, you could come back in 7-10 days with a negative test. I'm not planning to go back in for weeks but I'm very curious what my test result will be at 5 days. Relatives who recently got Covid tested positive for more than 10 days. I might have to buy more tests.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 1:55 PM
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The school said my son only had to home five days after the onset of symptoms and then double-super masked for five more days (e.g. no eating around other kids). On the other hand, I think the whole school got covid over a three week period.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 1:59 PM
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Yesterday was the last day of childlessness for us. The kid got home from Cassandane's parent's house 3 hours ago, where she spent the past two weeks and change. It was fun, but it would have been more fun if we hadn't got sick. We tested negative for covid, so as far as we know it was just a normal cold.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 3:24 PM
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NMM to Ivana


Posted by: Opinionated Donald Trump | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 3:31 PM
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My understanding is that rapid tests are still a good indicator post-Covid.

Yeah, rapid tests are a good indicator of infectiousness. This is an advantage of their lower sensitivity than PCR tests.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 3:41 PM
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So in the last two weeks it has developed that my mother in law ( I am just going to call her my MIL even though we aren't married, we haven't together for 15 years and we'll get married as soon as we can figure out all the money and paperwork) has some insane kind of aggressive late stage cancer...masses on her pancreas, adrenal gland, giant mass in her lung, and most troubling a growing mass in the back of her tongue/front throat. Like, growing every day, she can't really eat anything but soup and shakes. Only tongue biopsy is done and it's apparently really weird mysterious pathology. This is out of far left field. She had been feeling a bit tired and had a weird bout of unidentified illness in April which was supposed to be followed up on right about now, but besides/before that she was an incredibly strong healthy active 70 year old who did pilates and yoga and swam and hiked and biked every week and ate basically a canonically healthy diet for at least the last 15 years I have known her. I was literally making a list of things to get her help with when she came up after the baby is born when she was hospitalized. Now we are making plans to go down to by week 4 if docs will okay us, and my sister has agreed to fly out and take my partner's place in Labor if I feel it's more urgent for him to go say goodbye to his mother. It's that bad.
Kaiser has been a nightmare and collectively we two adult sons and two daughters in law ( including a doctor!) Have spent maybe 50 hours on phone and email last 1.5 weeks as squeaky wheels.They finally seem to be on it, but we are getting a local University tumor board to look at her case much sooner than they will. Managing the logistics for that from a distance has been mind boggling.

It's such a fucking shitty situation.

What I really want to bitch and moan about is my *step*mother-in-law who has no fucking boundaries. She is convinced we are killing our mother/mother-i n-law by letting her take the prescribed shakes for calming down the pancreatis/getting past her mouth lump, because "sugar feeds cancer. " TBF she has been living for 15 years with that weird long term leukemia that is chronic illness until it's not, and managing a lot of chronic pain well , but OMG she is such a pill about alternative diets and nutrition. She sent me a three page email last night complaining we were not utilizing her expertise and called me today. I told her off and then melted down. I cited Silk's Ring theory and she started arguing that she was much closer to my MIL that she was. I guess you could say I was playing the pregnancy card except it wasn't playing, I was really melting down. She finally apologized and backed down. The real thing that pissed me off though is when I asked her to please dump out she mewled about how she doesn't have anyone to dump out to because her friends have abandoned her during Covid and and her adult children moved to the other side of country and Europe. Gee I wonder why. So of course she's going to dump in on my father in law, who is trying to support his sons through the worst time of their life. Which is just always the story.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 4:38 PM
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Your stepMIL is the second wife of your MIL's ex-husband, and she's expecting people to pay attention to her because your MIL has cancer? What an incredible jerk she's being, unless there are very very unusual dynamics that mean they think of each other as close family.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 4:52 PM
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"sugar feeds cancer. "

I'm trying to give the cancer diabetes.

Very sorry about your mother-in-law and the whole bad situation.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 5:48 PM
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Oh Ile, that's a LOT. I'm so sorry. Your step-MIL is a jackass, and I'm sorry this joyful period of getting ready to be a parent is now complex and threaded with grief.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 6:26 PM
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"there are very very unusual dynamics that mean they think of each other as close family. "

Indeed, my Mother in Law .and my partner, and his brother. . .absolutely do not think of this stepmother as close family, and she is perpetually resentful of this and always trying to force it. She often insists that we are all making life harder for her husband by not being more intimate and close with her, when it's pretty obvious that the only person making life harder for him is her complaining about our perfectly warm, amiable but boundary placing behaviors. When I tried to explain that complaining to me about my partner now is not appropriate b/c I am VERY CLOSE to my MIL and this is really hard on me too, she kept saying that because my MIL was her husband's best friend for so many years AND she lives in the same town, she's just as close in as me. As an example she kept noting that recently MIL stopped by to drop off something other son wanted Dad to have but left at her house, and they ended up having tea together. "we're friends too!!!"

Today one of her better lines was reminiscing about how *her* step grandmother was the only grandmother she had and was so great for her, and while she was so pleased that she could be full blood grandmother to her own grandchildren, she was *really* looking forward to being a step grandmother to my child. Yes lady, since my mother has been dead for 10 years and my mother in law might die very soon, you very well may be his only official grandmother figure. Thanks for the reminder.

The only silver lining is that in a month and a half she's flying out of the country to see those grandchildren, especially hoping to undo the severe influence of their other grandparents whose grandparenting she tangented to complain about to me.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 6:35 PM
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Ile- very sorry. Hugs to you.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 6:42 PM
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31, 33, 35. Thank you. Sniffle. It's nice to have long term imaginary friends to kvetch to.

32: snort.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 6:58 PM
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Sorry to hear you're having to deal with all that under these circumstances, Ile. Family drama is the worst.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-14-22 11:12 PM
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24: Infectiousness isn't an either/or thing - depends on ventilation/proximity, time, etc, remember. The last data I looked at carefully suggested most people aren't very contagious 3 days after symptom onset, and the large majority are not contagious after 5 days based on average viral load. That said, there's a long and variable tail to when >99% of people will stop being contagious. Rapid tests are good/appropriate, because population type data isn't a really good predictor for an individual.

30/34: I'm so terribly sorry about your MIL. What a terrible shock and such difficult timing for you. I'm not sure how much it would cost you personally, but for me, the path of least resistance with needy, pushy people has historically been to thank them for their suggestion and sort of "mmm hmmm" your way through or "I'll bring that up with her/her doctors/partner" in a nice and upbeat tone. In grad school, it was used for pushy professors whenyou couldn't tell them why their idea was stupid, canonically, "Thanks! I'll look into that!" (I am not entirely lying, but the only version I'm bringing up to my partner is "Can you believe what this asshole thinks will help?") I'm rapidly losing patience with folks like this, so I'm not as good at it as I used to be, but it often works pretty well in terms of getting them to stop stressing you out and escalating.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 3:08 AM
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I'm successfully at the airport, having had a negative PCR yesterday and a last-minute home test this morning. My mom had her surgery yesterday and so far, so good, although they're going to watch like a hawk for infection. She supposedly will stay in the hospital for 3 weeks (!) and the wound will stay open for 6 weeks (omg).

My aunt told me that when her appendix ruptured (20 years ago), they left the surgical site open for 3 weeks. Early on, in the hospital, she was given instructions for how to unpack and pack her own abdominal wound, and then the nurse was just like c-ya, and my aunt was left to figure it out. She chalks it up to staffing shortages.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 3:21 AM
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Visiting and assisting the recovering, hooray.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:00 AM
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38: I do know our rules (in a healthcare setting) are PCR if exposed after 2 days and you can go to work. If family exposure they want you to test every few days with PCR since it picks up an infection earlier. To return to work, it used to to be 5 day antigen test, otherwise wait 10 days, but now they have increased access to antigen tests, and they give you tests for day 6-9. After 10 days they say you can come back no matter what your antigen test says. I'd personally feel more comfortable with that if staff were wearing N95s around patients, but it's just baggy surgical masks.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:24 AM
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41 wasn't clear. I should have said "To return to work after an infection"


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:25 AM
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Oh, Ile, that sounds so awful. I admit I came here to moan about family dynamics (and how, why, did I think three weeks at the lake house with gramma would be anything different? I am a moron). But now I've got nothing. I hope you're able to keep the step-MIL at an appropriate distance going forward.


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:48 AM
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And Heebie, great news! Going to the motel was a plan that actually worked. What a relief. I hope your visit is a comfort to your mom and dad.


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:50 AM
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So sorry, Ile, for all of it. Self-centered family members, in my experience, can get especially demanding in these situations.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 5:47 AM
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30: I had not heard of Ring Theory before, but it's pretty great. My family can be neatly divided into people who understand it instinctively, and those who could never learn it.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 6:00 AM
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46: Yes, I didn't know what it was either, but it seemed very familiar once I read about it, so maybe I had seen it before.

I was thinking that there is a certain kind of person that no matter the situation always sees themselves at the very center.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 6:11 AM
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38.2 To continue with the pop psychology, is that the "Gray Rock Method"?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 6:14 AM
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I have a non-helpful theory that when something terrible happens and it's nobody's fault in particular and there's nothing anyone can do about it, sometimes it's good to have someone very annoying around to be angry at, rather than helplessly raging at the Fates.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 6:19 AM
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If it's my fault and I don't want to do anything about it, such a person is useful.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 6:32 AM
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38.2 It's performatively friendlier, I think. The grey rock thing is supposed to remove the reward/validation/attention this behavior is seeking by making it unrewarding and dull. This is just lying in order to validate them and make them stop pushing. Maybe there's a pop psych thing called dropping the rope?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 6:44 AM
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38: for most people that's a good strategy but this one wants to know you've done what she's said and she's too proximate to totally put off or white lie too. Thank you.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 7:28 AM
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38: for most people that's a good strategy but this one wants to know you've done what she's said and she's too proximate to totally put off or white lie too. Thank you.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 7:28 AM
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38: for most people that's a good strategy but this one wants to know you've done what she's said and she's too proximate to totally put off or white lie too. Thank you.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 7:28 AM
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39: so glad the hotel strategy worked out and your Mom's surgery is so far so good. Hope your journey is smooth!

Packing one's own wound: shudder..for some.reason outs me.in mind of Prometheus.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 7:31 AM
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The eagle is out of network so the copay is too high for most patients.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 7:38 AM
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but this one wants to know you've done what she's said

My grandmother was not toxic like Ile's step-MIL, but boy did she have improvements and advice for how everyone lived their life, and was just relentless about checking in forever to see if you'd implemented it yet. My favorite example is that I thought I'd skipped a grade because my genius was irrepressible, but it turns out that it was entirely repressible and it was my grandmother's belief that I should skip a grade, and my parents finally did it to shut her up.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 8:07 AM
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That seems really weird.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 8:21 AM
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Do you all remember the friendly brontosaurus thing from years ago? Grandma Heebie personified.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 8:54 AM
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Excuse me, kindly brontosaurus. And re-reading it, it's a little more passive than my Grandma was. But she could code switch from kindly aggressive dinosaur to kindly brontosaurus based on context.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 8:57 AM
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If my mom's kitchen counters have about equal quantities of mouse droppings and rat poison behind the clutter of flour bins and such, and four of the six electrical outlets next to it have mysteriously melted plastic where things plug in, and the door is held on with one hinge with three types of screw, one of which is an actual 6" hook to hang bicycles, and everything you touch in the kitchen leaves a sticky residue on your hand, how relentlessly am I allowed to suggest improvements and advice? [in no way is this dementia or poverty (hah!) related, just the gradual exaggeration of lifelong avoidance of improving or replacing, or really, changing anything and a wilful antipathy toward doing any such job right. NB I confined myself to a portion of one room only. It goes on].


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61 was me


Posted by: OPINIONATED GRANDMA HEEBIE WANNABE | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 10:22 AM
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Are you sure it's not dementia? Maybe there's a way to work a mini-mental into casual conversation?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 10:36 AM
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61: Yikes!


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 10:54 AM
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Lotta people out there that can't really adult.

Cleaning up is hard: I get why some people don't do that well. But I am shocked when people manage to get well I to adulthood without realizing that NO ONE ever wants be to give advice. Most people would rather die than admit to a small mistake.


Posted by: Yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 1:31 PM
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And to be fair, most advice also is 100% about the person giving it.


Posted by: Yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 1:32 PM
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My son is apparently giving elderly gym-goers advice about something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 1:50 PM
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It's amazing how much advice we foist on kids, because frankly it's part of growing up, but no wonder no one wants to hear it ever again.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 2:03 PM
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But yes, 61 is intervention-territory.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 2:04 PM
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"Son, elderly Jewish men aren't telling you about their knee replacement so you can tell them how to lift weights after one. They just like to complain."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 2:17 PM
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And even there, probably half of it is just 'hey someone I can hold down and force to listen to my brilliant advice!'
when a lot of the time kids would be better off just fucking up on their own, while the stakes are still pretty low (made out of rubber, no permanent record, dollar values in the tens of dollars, not 10s of thousands, etc.)

On the other hand, I have gotten so much free, high-quality carpentry done on my new condo by asking my old man how to build a shelf, hang a light, etc.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 2:19 PM
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70: haha. kid is totally right though. Make me think of my new favorite theory, which is majority of 'long covid' is that covid sits you on your ass for 3 weeks, long enough for you lose a lot of fitness. I got over covid ~2 weeks ago and had sex last night and damn it was fucking _exhausting_. Now I'm looking at buying an under-the-desk-bike because who has time for extra gym work?


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 2:26 PM
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So, it's good that I'm here and every surgery is serious when you're 72. But I'm also having a dawning recognition that my mom's anxiety was driving reality a bit. For example, she told me multiple times that this was a 3 week stay in the hospital. It will probably be under a week. There are a bunch more examples, but they're much more nebulous.

We actually had her do some EMDR-adjacent therapy over the past month to deal with the trauma of last fall's series of emergencies, and it helped significantly. I'm glad I'm here, but I'm realizing I hadn't questioned some of extreme dangers that she was describing as facts instead of fears.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 2:57 PM
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EMDR is so fascinating. I'm glad it helped .

I wonder if any of that is that hospital stays are much shorter now than they were when she was young.


Posted by: Yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 3:08 PM
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73: Nobody i sun the hospital for 3 weeks except pre-vaccine COVID cases.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:12 PM
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73: Nobody i sun the hospital for 3 weeks except pre-vaccine COVID cases.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:12 PM
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As I'm sure I mentioned in one of these updates, my parents were both sick with respiratory illnesses right before the pandemic really intensified in the US, which led me to go and stay with them just a week before California issued the stay-at-home orders. My mom nearly lost her voice and my dad was bad enough to miss a cancer treatment, but they started to get better on their own.*

They clearly were going to need help with groceries and housework, so I was already planning to go see them soon. Still, my dad sent me an email with a subject line like "On the edge of death" the very same day I was packed and ready to leave right after work. I was surprised to arrive and find them watching tv like it was a normal evening, still a bit sick but no trouble staying up late for me to arrive.**

*Very hard to believe it was Covid, given everything else, but there were no tests available, especially as their symptoms cleared and moved them out of a priority category.

**My dad even went shopping with me the next day, after which I more or less told them to stay home until further notice.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 4:40 PM
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75: I had no idea how my wife's uncle isn't dead. Close to 80, a month on the ventilator, I don't remember how much longer than that in the hospital.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 5:51 PM
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Started doing house parties. Had my first one last night. Nailed it, although the hostess picked out a very friendly audience. They won't all be that easy.

Meanwhile my opponent seems to be upping his game after a slow start. He's managed to deploy his signs fucking everywhere. I got my signs out earlier than him and he responded with sheer quantity. The highways are silly with them, and he's gotten them into the yards of everyone in his mothers very extensive Democratic roledex. I won't be able to keep up, but I'm ordering another 250 to stay in the game.


Posted by: Nathanial P. Hawthorn | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 7:15 PM
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Could you get little stickers that say "sucks" and put them on his signs?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-15-22 8:43 PM
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Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 1:16 AM
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Son #2, now 16yo, is at prestigious music camp (very lucky to get in) and, motivated by suddenly being a small fish in a big pond, octupled his violin practicing. A week and a half into the 6 week camp term he got awful tendinitis, cannot play at all. Five days later with no playing and his arm is more painful than last weekend. And music is the only thing at this camp. So he can go to all his classes, watch other people get better, not play and not perform and hope he's back able to play by the end of three weeks or he can bail, go home with me, and I don't know, go back to working at Taco Bell or something and start the recovery so he can play again by maybe next December because recovery from this is usually very slow. His mom thinks he should bail. I'm leaning towards he should stay. We're leaving it to him. It's hard to read his mental state because he is an inveterate complainer. Even when he's actually having a good time, he describes everything as awful, so you have to wait for the truth to out. Tomorrow evening I check him out of camp for the day and I guess we figure out the decision then. Also just when this all broke his (first and only) girlfriend broke up with him over the phone, so it's been a rough week for him all around.


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 3:42 AM
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82: eek. Hope it's an early learning experience and not career ending.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 4:15 AM
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80: Your idea on another thread about Calvin peeing stickers was brilliant.


Posted by: Nathanial P. Hawthorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 4:47 AM
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enormous sympathy to your kid chill 💔💔💔.

am discovering my ideal holiday is a working-middle class italian beach town with loooong swim routes available for v early & late evening & a pile of novels. have not been this relaxed in years. poor better half a bit bored tbh. he'll survive, a relaxed me is more fun during siesta.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 5:45 AM
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Do I repeat myself? Very well, then I repeat myself. I am large, I contain multitudes. Multitudes that aren't paying attention to each other.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 5:46 AM
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also ile you are doing *great* absolutely keep it up!!! 💪💪💪

& so happy you are off to be with your mom, heebie! well done jammies!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 5:47 AM
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Ugh, that sucks for Chillito. Poor kid.

Is this the same kid that you originally wrote the ATM about some years ago?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 6:49 AM
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88: Yes, same kid that was kicked out of school/sent to problem school or whatever it's called. Oh "Alt" for alternative school, that's the local euphemism.

He decided to head home with us and miss the last three weeks of camp, so that's settled. On to the slow healing process. From what his teacher says (she had a couple similar bouts of tendinitis at that age) it will take him out of the orchestras he's already playing in, for fall at least, and likely will rule out all-county and all-region this year, too. :-( At this point he is very eager to get back into it. He has been very committed to music for a while. I guess we'll see how it plays out.

Chill


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 1:29 PM
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Gosh, I'm sorry.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 1:38 PM
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Yes, I'm sorry to hear that too. Tendons are for shit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 1:41 PM
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Yeah, that really sucks, chill. I keep wondering how you teach the lesson not to overdo things other than by overdoing things. Hoping this keeps him from overdoing himself in some way that's more lethal.

Do the teachers not see how much the kids are practicing?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 2:16 PM
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My sympathies to chill and Ile


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 2:17 PM
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So one of the things I've wanted to do (and have been doing) on this trip back home is to go through all the old family photographs, take a few that are meaningful to me and write (with archival pencil) the names of people no one will recognize when my parents are gone.

I also wanted to get the two paintings my artist uncle who passed a few months ago made that I'd bought and was keeping at my parents' house. Only apparently he asked for a bunch of paintings back that he'd been keeping with some years back and that seems to have included the two I bought. Including the first one I bought when he had his first solo show at the Brooklyn Museum when I was in my late teens. He even drew up a contract (including a percentage of my profit should I ever sell it IIRC) and I paid for it on installment. I certainly should have taken it a long time ago though if I had I'm sure they would have gotten lost in my divorce as so much that I had did. I'm still distraught over this.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 2:21 PM
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94: Barry, Inwould be distraught too. I'm so sorry.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 2:26 PM
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Distraught enough that my comment had some serious grammatical errors .
I can't believe they didn't remember the painting I'd bought when I was a teen. We'd talked about it over the years. My father was being very flippant about it too.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 2:38 PM
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Barry, so sorry about that.
Appreciate the sympathy for boy 2 from various parties here. It's nice to be able to talk to invisible friends about it.


Posted by: chill | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 4:28 PM
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Sorry for those upthread Going through difficult times (Barry, Ille, Jammies and others)

1. My daughter finally caught Covid. This is basically day three and she's kind of miserable but seems to be holding up otherwise. Fingers crossed.
2. I went back and found the picture of McArdle from 2007 Flophouse where I made her put fingers over her head like the devil. Clearly it was fitting.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 07-16-22 5:47 PM
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My wife has COVID, again. I have all of the symptoms but am testing negative. I suspect I'm just low enough in terms of viral load that I'm not triggering the LFTs.

We are flying to see the in-laws next week, so it would be a real problem if one of us was to be testing positive by then, so I'm hoping my wife's symptoms clear and she tests negative, and that xelA and myself either don't test positive, or test positive soon enough that we are negative 9 days from now.

We also still don't have a working fridge, which sucks when it's going to be 105F here tomorrow. I"m also in the middle of massive tender response/pitches to multiple clients and I can't really deal with being sick and/or melting from the heat while doing those.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 7:42 AM
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that heatwave sounds insane, and that's a whole lot to be piled on top of it. Sympathy. And also to Barry and Will and others.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 8:37 AM
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Yeah, it's about 90F today and the digital thermometer / humidity meter in our kitchen says it's about 85 inside, which is fine. The next few days are not going to be very nice, though. Obviously, we don't have air conditioning, so it's just whatever we can do to keep it cool through passive means.


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Yeah, it's about 90F today and the digital thermometer / humidity meter in our kitchen says it's about 85 inside, which is fine. The next few days are not going to be very nice, though. Obviously, we don't have air conditioning, so it's just whatever we can do to keep it cool through passive means.


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99: Can you and/or xelA mask and try to isolate your wife given the trip?


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re: 103

Pretty hard to do, given that we live in a small apartment. I suspect it's better to just get it now and clear it before we fly than try to avoid it. That said, last time my wife had COVID neither of us got it. xelA got it about a month later, and I got it another month or so after that.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 9:08 AM
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I wonder how common 99.1 is. My family just had a big weeklong gathering where a bunch of people got covid, and I came down with just a sore throat but tested negative. I'd just had it in May. Getting a case that's so mild it never tests positive on rapid (and probably isn't contagious) seems like it probably happens a lot with people with high immunity.

Sorry you're going through all that at once, sounds miserable.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 9:25 AM
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Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 9:32 AM
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Jammies, Hawaii, and Rascal seem to have survived the week without catching covid. They masked up in the house, and Ace and Pokey slept in isolation.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 11:26 AM
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I'm hoping I have whatever variant is circulating most widely because I have plans to find a new apartment, take vacation, and move in the next couple of months. Theoretically, I should have most immunity against whatever I most recently had, especially since I'm not eligible for a booster.

I was actually supposed to go on shorter vacation this Tuesday but that's not exactly happening. I guess it's better that I got sick now at the tail end of a very intense period of work where I've worked extra hours regularly, but also, I'd much prefer the time lost to be work time not relaxation time. At least I got sick in time to not have claimed the vacation hours already.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 11:50 AM
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Isn't everyone eligible for a booster now?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 1:42 PM
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He probably means a second booster.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 2:34 PM
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My mom has COVID. She just got back from a three-week trip to Central Europe and started feeling sick on the way back (which was beset with numerous flight cancellations and other problems), but you no longer have to test negative before re-entering the US so she just masked on the planes and waited to test until she got home. She's on Paxlovid and is doing basically fine.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 2:36 PM
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Meanwhile I still haven't tested positive even while basically everyone I know has gotten it, some multiple times. I went to a party last night so I tested yesterday and today just to be careful. Negative both times.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 2:38 PM
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Yes, second booster. At some point I started thinking about the standard sequence as three shots, even though that doesn't seem like how any official measures are treating it.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 2:45 PM
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I have a friend in her 60's who got Covid Thursday or Friday. She's overweight, had gastric bypass, and is borderline diabetic. She got Paxlovid through a telehealth appt with her PCP. Her wife got it Saturday. The wife is also overweight. I gave her the info for the free state telehealth service. They will send the script to a local pharmacy or overnight it M-F. They determined she wasn't eligible because of a drug interaction. Then the NP mentioned tylenol and said nothing about her other options - remdesivir or the one remaining monoclonal.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 3:34 PM
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I guess I thought everyone could get two boosters. But I forget that I'm old.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 3:55 PM
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I don't think anyone I know has gotten in twice. Most people I know who don't live in a house with school children have not gotten covid at all, so far as they know.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 4:30 PM
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A few extended family members got it a second time from our family reunion two weeks ago. One person who'd gotten it back in the first winter wave and was hospitalized then but had a mild case this time which he's already over, and one person who got mild BA.1 in January and had a completely asymptomatic case this time.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 4:34 PM
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In America, first you get the vaccine, then you get the booster, then you get a tepid governmental response that creates uncertainty as to whether there will be any further public health policy focused on minimizing the impact of Covid that cuts across all regions and age groups.


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Then you get the Covid.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 11:06 PM
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This Scarface remake is a bit depressing.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-17-22 11:39 PM
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There's quite a few kids in my son's class have had COVID three times. I know a lot of adults who have had it twice. I only know two people (couple, both teachers) who haven't had it at all.

I'm not sure if my wife's had it three times or not.* We think we both had it in the very first wave before they were testing, but it's hard to know for sure, it might have just been a bad cold/flu that happened to coincide with that first wave. We've both definitely had it earlier this calendar year.

* she's teaching at a school in central London, with a large refugee intake,** and travelling by tube every day
** people living in very crowded accommodation


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 12:04 AM
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There's quite a few kids in my son's class have had COVID three times. I know a lot of adults who have had it twice. I only know two people (couple, both teachers) who haven't had it at all.

I'm not sure if my wife's had it three times or not.* We think we both had it in the very first wave before they were testing, but it's hard to know for sure, it might have just been a bad cold/flu that happened to coincide with that first wave. We've both definitely had it earlier this calendar year.

* she's teaching at a school in central London, with a large refugee intake,** and travelling by tube every day
** people living in very crowded accommodation


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 12:04 AM
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78: He didn't by chance have four hundred hogs that were just standin' out there, his wife couldn't feed 'em and his neighbors didn't care?


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 4:55 AM
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No. Never married.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 4:59 AM
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124: According to the infallible authority of Tom T. Hall, the hogs are the important part.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 5:30 AM
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Pokey has also had it three times. He's never had a symptom though. (Well, he had a headache one day last week.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 6:14 AM
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I had the worst cold of my life in December 2019 and I've wondered ever since if that was COVID wild-type. We both got it last summer for sure. The boy's had it twice (second time a few weeks ago, very mild) and so has my mother.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 6:17 AM
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That's why you never order pangolin when you visit Wuhan.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 6:27 AM
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That was in Guangdong! We're perfectly respectable!


Posted by: Opinionated Hubei Pangolin | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 6:48 AM
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Oh. Now I regret missing out on a good meal.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 7:41 AM
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I'm assuming we've had asymptomatic cases. Pebbles had at least 5 direct exposures this past year, and I imagine the Calabat has, too (no reporting at elementary schools) and 30% of my students were out with omicron in January. My colleagues all got it at graduation or shortly thereafter. We've tested after exposures or anytime anyone's been sniffly, but nothing.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 7:42 AM
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We test C when he's sniffly, but I have minor symptoms so often that I only test myself if I have another reason.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 7:53 AM
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Yeah, the line we usually used was exposure and/or fever.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 8:16 AM
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I read something saying that the milder the case the more likely you are to get reinfected.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 8:19 AM
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I've only recorded one fever for me since covid, and I think that was an error because I didn't have one an hour later and I was drinking.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 8:20 AM
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yeah, Pokey's three positives were all caught through sheer luck. One, Rascal was throwing up, so we all got tested. The second, the schools were offering free testing. The third, was only because I was anticipating coming to the hospital and wanted to be careful.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 10:39 AM
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Makes you wonder if Pokey has it all the time...


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 10:40 AM
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I guess I haven't drank enough that I threw up since graduate school.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 10:40 AM
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Wife and I just got 2nd booster.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 11:47 AM
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137: everyone knows he's a bat we picked up abroad, right?


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 11:58 AM
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140: I thought he was a pokemon that Moby set free.


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 12:21 PM
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Thanks Barry. Sorry about the paintings, that blows.

Chill: OMG, wow. Your poor kid. I didn't even know that was a thing.

Heebie: yay for no new Covid positives. Hope it's going okay with your Mom.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 07-18-22 9:44 PM
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128: Arm much sorer and feeling overall markedly worse than any of the previous shots.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-19-22 3:53 AM
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127 I had that cold too, starting at the very beginning of January 2020. Flew home from San Diego just then, so I think I got it traveling.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-19-22 5:10 AM
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127, 144: Huh - I had that cold also - in December of 2019. I don't get "long" anything, but this one lasted a month and prompted me to actually go see a doctor. I would have absolutely assumed I had Covid if it happened when that was deemed possible.


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