Re: Bots, No Mercy

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To the barricades!


Posted by: NCProsecutor | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 7:43 AM
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I presume that a terminal appears in both versions, and is in your tray or at least can be seen as a process if it's working. And because it opened twice yesterday, and shows up in Windows\Prefetch, but doesn't actually run, that I'm blocked from work same as Lopez. So I'll run it from this afternoon when I get home.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 7:46 AM
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We wouldn't even need bots if Kriston had just used a picture of himself wearing these.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 7:51 AM
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Are you supposed to be able to run k-vote and c-vote at once? One seems to close irregularly.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:03 AM
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I wonder if there's any sort of centralized log here of how often I click on links that are blocked due to adult content.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:03 AM
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Don't worry, I'm sure your boss has a log of it.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:04 AM
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Are you supposed to be able to run k-vote and c-vote at once?

You should be able to, although I also have one closing by itself.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:05 AM
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LB, was 3 blocked as adult content? If so your work must have a pretty low threshold. You can't even see her pubic hair!


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:09 AM
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Well, it's mostly OK.

Do your part! I've dug three Victory Gardens so far, and each has both cucumber and kale, IYKWIM.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:10 AM
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Blocked here too.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:10 AM
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Huh. Well, here's a direct link to the clothing store, then.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:12 AM
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The bikini-pants are nice, but it's the strass that really makes it work.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:15 AM
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I'm just impressed that it's all one piece.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:15 AM
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Our filters are pretty tight -- I can't read Twisty's blog, or Bitch's Suicide Girls blog (which I think doesn't have pictures on the page).


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:16 AM
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Do they block this?

Probably not, and more's the pity.


Posted by: NCProsecutor | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:17 AM
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If your office has a filter, I'd be really surprised if they *hadn't* blocked the entire suicidegirls domain. That Twisty is blocked but Unfogged isn't, though? That's baffling.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:18 AM
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Speaking of lawyers, what happened to professional courtesy?


Posted by: NCProsecutor | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:19 AM
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It's erratic -- sometimes it's blocked and sometimes it isn't. I have no idea how it works, though.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:20 AM
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18: Trained monkeys.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:21 AM
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Something truly weird happened last night -- all those runners-up who had less than 1000 votes suddenly got a surge into the mid-thousands, thus cutting Kriston's majority and priming him for the fall into second place. So someone set up bots for every candidate?


Posted by: DW | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:21 AM
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Radical egalitarians.

As for w-lfs-n: I will have no truck with libertarians, and those who do have truck with libertarians, even for googly-eyed reasons, forfeit my respect.

Exception: it is permissible to have truck with Jim Henley.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:26 AM
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Kriston : (90626 votes)

Clinton : (86805 votes)

Back on top!


Posted by: Roamsedge | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:30 AM
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21: I trucked Henley once.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:31 AM
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I still think that someone should help out Gans on the lady's side, but I'm too lazy and inept to do anything about it.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:32 AM
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but I'm too lazy and inept to do anything about it.

Oh, that's your excuse for everything.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:33 AM
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With even the slightest effort, I could have ended the Iraq war by now, but I just couldn't be bothered.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:35 AM
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Us day-shifters often can't follow links for no good reason. I've complained about DG before.

I'm sure the 403's could be reconstructed if they really wanted the goods on you, but I can't imagine why anybody would bother.

You're fine so long as he doesn't have a centralized log from thinking about you clicking on them.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:41 AM
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I maintain that in addition to henley, one may also have truck with julian sanchez and kerry howley. no truckling, though.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:42 AM
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My boss is a libertarian who drives a truck.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:44 AM
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Howley will suck out w-lfs-n's soul and leave him a gibbering wreck, worse than already. He will rue the day that he had truck with her.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:46 AM
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Megan McArdle, too. I had a nice evening with her and Julian the night before last.

Emerson's tough stance on libertarians reminds me of a scene in Celebrity about a Jerry Spring–type talk show episode on religious conflict. Everyone's standing around in the green room when a rabbi asks, "The skinheads ate all the bagels?"


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:49 AM
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1/32 scale trucking.

"I am looking now at a 1/32nd scale model of a Bradley, and I can say with some assurance that the driver's hatch is on the left side of the vehicle."

Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:52 AM
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Megan McArdle, too.

Different group. She's a schmib, not a libertarian. I think she falls into the Douthat category. On the whole, people ought to probably be allowed to truck whomever they want. We're Democrats, after all.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:53 AM
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Above all not Megan McArdle. But I'm apparently alone in my hatred of her.

I hate to say this, but this is the beginning of the end for w-lfs-n. Who here is next of kin? It would be cruel to hold off on pulling the plug.

While we're talking about libertarians, what about a market in next-of-kin rights? Just find designated next-of-kin, and buy their rights. Then, once there's a medical emergency, you could auction off the rights you hold and get the bidding going between the family, the HMO, the actual service providers, medical researchers, and the anti-euthanasia groups.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:56 AM
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31: Megan seems like a nice person and all, at least in person, but truly does she write some of the most appalingly and flabbergastingly batshit stupid and pernicious things on a pretty regular basis. Henly and Sanchez actually make sense, even when I don't agree with them.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 8:58 AM
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33: Douthat? What means?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:00 AM
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36: Douthat


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:05 AM
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33: Schmib?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:16 AM
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I'm an anti-prohibitionist, and it's OK with me if libertarians smoke weed and so on. But I'm not in favor of a market in human organs, and for that reason I'd turn down Howley or McArdle if they offered me a doobie or other favors.

Ogged is probably safe since his kidneys would have to be heavily discounted. "Cheap Iranian kidney, 75% intact" isn't an easy sell.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:16 AM
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Schmib.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:19 AM
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Is Tim confusing Douthat with Will Wilkinson again?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:22 AM
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No libertarian will ever truck with my heart. Or any other body part.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:23 AM
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Sorry to be a total dork, but could someone e-mail me Bots for Dummies instructions? I'm a complete know-nothing on the subject, and my scan of the earlier threads didn't help. (I'm running Windows XP.) sirkraab at yahoo

Thanks!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:26 AM
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The real danger is the MSM. Chris Carter has been surging all morning and seems to be closing the gap.


Posted by: garancebot | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:26 AM
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Bots.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:28 AM
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Aha -- thanks! Apparently, I also need Scanning for Dummies.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:29 AM
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On a personal level, most of the Libertarians I know are nice, fun people - McArdle, Sanchez, Howley, Weigel, Wilkenson, etc. - all great people. And, unlike most of the conservatives in DC, you can actually have a productive, idea-exchanging conversation with them. I mean, look at even Grover Norquist -- I don't agree with him at all but he was able to real, interesting, meaningful conversations with Bill Moyers back when he hosted NOW on PBS. I appreciate that and think there's a lot more potential for libertarians and liberals working together on issues like the constitution and free speech than us banging our heads against the brick walls thrown up by religious conservatives.

And they're fun to have at parties.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:31 AM
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Schmibertarian. I don't mean that Douthat's a schmib, but that--like Galt--he appears to be a nice-guy conservative who is genuinely concerned with being a good person--and, from what little evidence I am aware, is a nice person (certainly nicer than me)--but whose ideology leads him to hold fast to positions that are, to my eyes, dishonest, moronic, or unreconcilable with basic...well, what I'd always thought were basic American beliefs. It's a bit the David Brooks problem, or, as I think I've said before, the evangelical Christian problem. I never know quite how one is to respond to people like that, other than occasional fits of anger followed by niggling guilt over the same.

But, again, I tend to be in the "Truck Everyone!" camp, so no doubt I'll be second against Emerson's back wall.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:34 AM
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This discussion is going nowhere until Stras shows up to tell us that having cordial relations with these people is just like being a guard at Auschwitz.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:36 AM
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To me niceness is a bug, not a feature. As you all know.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:36 AM
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Count your kidneys, Ogged.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:36 AM
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The guys vote has 10x the total vote of the girls vote....


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:41 AM
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And they're fun to have at parties.

Maybe that explains w-lfs-n's traitorous actions, but is he actually going to be at any parties with Howley?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:42 AM
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Something bizarre happened with the guys' votes yesterday, when everyone simultaneously got about 30,000 extra votes.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:42 AM
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53 - Howley was at UnfoggeDCon.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:43 AM
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47: Oh no, you dit-ent! An infinite number of thoughtful conversations with Bill Moyers will never redeem 1/trillionth of the damage Norquist has done and hopes to do in the future. He is a bad, bad man.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:43 AM
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Howley was at UnfoggeDCon.

That's in the past, though. What's the point at currying favor with her now? Unless libertarians are fun to have at other times, too.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:45 AM
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you dit-ent

Honky.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:47 AM
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You don't need multiple terminals, mac people. Instead of doing

$ sh kristonbot.sh

(substitute the name of the script for "kristonbot.sh" if that's not it) you can do one of the two following, and this will work if your shell is bash, but I'm not sure about tcsh, which I think is the default:

$ (sh kristonbot.sh &)

Or

$ sh kristonbot.sh
[and then there will be a number, call it 23401, printed]
$ disown 23401

"Disown" I think really is bash-specific; the subshell syntax (the first example) I think might be more general. You can do that multiple times and then—get this—close the terminal. They'll still be running.

This does make shutting them off a trifle more complicated, but meh.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:51 AM
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I think I've said this here before, but I have found that the best way of taking in Megan McArdle's/Jane Galt's writings in all their mindnumbingly stupid and crazymaking schmibertarian glory is to first filter them through the Poorman:

Give Peace a Chance
Geddy Lee Shrugged
$427 Billion Here, $427 Billion There

Also: Hi Sir Kraab! How's work going?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:51 AM
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61: Also also, Megan did seem like perfectly pleasant company at UnfoggeDCon, so at least she has that going for her. But ye gods does she write some perniciously stupid-ass shit.

And yeah, Grover Norquist is evil, and his nice reasonable tone makes that fact even worse.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:54 AM
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61: "61:" s/b "60:"


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:55 AM
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Get a room!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:55 AM
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I'm highjacking this thread to thank everyone for their Toronto recommendations. M/tch M/lls and I had a fine time and plan to move to Toronto when the water wars in Texas escalate to Mad Max levels.

A particular shout-out to 3pointshooter, who told us about the Fringe Festival. We saw a gay rap opera [warning: mute before you click if you're at work] that was très smart & funny.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:59 AM
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61 - Was Megan at UnfoggeDCon? I would have thought if she had been, there would have been a legendary Fontana Labs/McMegan showdown. I don't remember her being there.

Then again, I was in the kitchen making out with Matt F half the night so who knows what went on.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:00 AM
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60: M/tch, thanks to Ogged's instructions, I'm now able to run a bot that does my work for me.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:00 AM
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64: Hells yeah, Bash'd was wizard cocksucker. It should be the official gay rap opera of Unfogged.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:02 AM
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Then again, I was in the kitchen making out with Matt F half the night so who knows what went on.

TMI!!!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:03 AM
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Bot on! Woo.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:03 AM
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Then again, I was in the kitchen making out with Matt F half the night so who knows what went on.

I'm guessing a whole lot of smooching. Maybe some groping too.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:03 AM
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Then again, I was in the kitchen making out with Matt F half the night so who knows what went on.

So awesome. Not quite brushing teeth, but still awesome.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:04 AM
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Who did what in the what now?


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:05 AM
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Megan was at UnfoggeDCon. I didn't remember/realize it until I saw the video of that debate/cookoff a short while after and recognized her.


Posted by: M/tch M/ls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:05 AM
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72: You seemed sober enough at the time, Matt.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:07 AM
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So Becks was making out with McArdle, but thought she was making out with MattF, and now both MattF and Becks are confused about who was where that night? Gotcha.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:07 AM
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This was while the earnest discussions about Kant were taking place also in the kitchen, I hope.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:07 AM
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76: I suppose earnest discussions about Kant are better than lighthearted ones. Too much bad-pun potential with the latter.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:14 AM
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72: That second "what" should be "butt", I think.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:14 AM
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So Becks was making out with McArdle, but thought she was making out with MattF, and now both MattF and Becks are confused about who was where that night

If that doesn't bring Labs out of his cave, he's dead.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:17 AM
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59: I'm sure I went over backgrounding processes and the kill command somewhere yesterday, but now I can't find it.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:32 AM
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"$ sh kristonbot.sh" should be "$ sh kristonbot.sh &" in the second option, which won't actually work on tcsh, since it doesn't have bash's "disown".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:35 AM
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Should all y'all liberals be allowed to have truck with anyone? I mean, unless you have a demonstrated, real need for that kind of heavy towing capacity? I guess it's consistent for Emerson to have truck with people, as I presume that in the wilds of North Dakota you never know when you'll need to haul a moose around or or something, but shouldn't the rest of you be plug-in-hybriding with Henley?

I'm sure he'd defend your right to truck with him, but you should stand by your principles even in the face of libertarian temptation.


Posted by: Epoch | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:36 AM
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80 ... so maybe it was just in my mind.

btw, 4/7 . I'm not familiar with python, but from what I recall seeing the script go by it was pretty basic, without much error recovery. If lots of bots are hammering on that site, I suspect the connect to timeout or fail sometimes --- so your script may just be dying when it throws and error.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:37 AM
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82: "stand by your principles" s/b "keep on truckin'"


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:39 AM
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84: Dammit, you're right.


Posted by: Epoch | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:42 AM
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81: I don't think `disown' is the right approach anyway, that's like running them with `nohup'; to kill the job you'll have to look it up in the process table (or remember the id). Just using `&` in bash (or Ctrl-z followed by `bg' on an already running one) gets you the background running you wanted and the `jobs' command will list them, so you can kill them with `kill %n' for n reported by the `jobs' command. You can run as many copies as you want in one terminal.

All disown buys you is dettaching from the controlling terminal, but it isn't like it's a big deal to have a terminal running ... and if you are uncertain/confused about these things anyway trying to find the job you disowned to kill it will be a hassle.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:42 AM
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All disown buys you is dettaching from the controlling terminal,

That's precisely what I wanted, though.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:45 AM
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Perhaps we should talk about why w-lfs-n is determined to have Howley win.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:47 AM
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87: then run it with nohup, there is no need to use two commands and copy the pid. Disown is really for when you mistakenly leave something attached, not so much when you know that's what you want from the start.

I wasn't suggesting *you* shouldn't do this. I'm strongly suggesting that anyone who had to wonder what the hell we were talking about does not follow your example thought -- it will only be confusing.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:47 AM
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Perhaps we should talk about why w-lfs-n is determined to have Howley win.

Absent an explicit promise of kitchen-sex, does it matter?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:49 AM
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89 cont.... scratch the copy the pid stuff, it's redundant in your example anyway. still not suggested for unix neophytes.


Posted by: soubzriquet | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:53 AM
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Was I at the same UnfoggeDCon as you? I don't remember any of these people. (Except Sanchez, but that's only because we spent an hour arguing about Spencer.)


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:07 AM
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(And by "people" I mean "libertarians," Emerson be damned.)


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:08 AM
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Did they close the vote early? I'm clearing cache and refreshing the results, but no change.


Posted by: sam k | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:10 AM
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Howley has sucked out w-lfs-n's soul, as I've explained. He's a hollow shell.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:11 AM
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If that doesn't bring Labs out of his cave, he's dead.

There may be another explanation.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:11 AM
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Was I at the same UnfoggeDCon as you? I don't remember any of these people.

You were too busy talkingabout your brushes with a certain famous French person to notice them.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:14 AM
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You were too busy talkingabout your brushes with a certain famous French person to notice them.

Which one? I know so many.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:27 AM
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98: I can't remember, I wasn't really listening, I was just feigning interest to be polite.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:48 AM
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100!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 11:59 AM
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The 100! thrill is gone, I'm saddened to report.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:00 PM
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Jacques, Pierre, Maurice, Jean, one of them guys.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:02 PM
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101: yeah, that happened while you were away with the new baby. Someone really should have told you. But we generally try not to mention it.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:04 PM
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99: "feigning interest to be polite" s/b "fighting to keep the ouzo down"


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:05 PM
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What sort of brushes?


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:05 PM
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Badger-bristle.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:06 PM
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Here's a famous French person having a brush with another famous French person. Was it anything like that?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:07 PM
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105: Teethbrushes. Duh.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:12 PM
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107: Reminds me of this.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:13 PM
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14: B has a suicide girls blog?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:19 PM
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110: Yeah, dude. She's a total sell-out.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:32 PM
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You know, Apo, if you're going to call me a sell out, the least you could do is actually help me sell.

Although they no longer pay me extra for making people click through, so, meh.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:46 PM
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I'm just quoting, yo. EVERYBODY SEND BITCHPHD MONEY.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:50 PM
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Wow, I'd missed that piece. It's too bad the folks who are convinced I'm censoring myself almost certainly haven't read a word I'm actually writing over there....


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:56 PM
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On the libertarian/schmibertarian thing, I think there's more to it than the oft-mentioned test of willingness-to-regretfully-bomb-the-shit-out-of-foreigners. Part of it is about what you define yourself -against-: do you hate the state more than you hate dirty hippies? There's the question of priorities and general recognition of suffering: do you think the estate / corporate tax is a more dire affront to liberty than the drug war? There's temperament: do you see yourself as defending established institutions ("the market") or challenging them ("the state"); radical or conservative? This stuff all funnels into questions of epistemological standards: what arguments, even if wrong, do you find deserving of considerations (and from whom)? I suspect it's this intermediate part that provokes the most frustration from those on the other side of the line.

But yeah, Sanchez is a good example of a genuine right-libertarian. I suspect that as the collegiate Reagan-era Young Republic/Libertarian alliance fragments, we'll see both more left-libertarians and fewer schmibs.


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:57 PM
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EVERYBODY SEND BITCHPHD MONEY.

Works for me. I'm just quoting, yo.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:57 PM
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What I don't quite get is that if B's a sell-out, and she's given up her values for the patriarchy, why it matters that the owner of SG "appears to be a conservative white guy who has made some pretty politically questionable statements and who doesn't really tolerate dissent." If he were a nice liberal of color who didn't tolerate dissent, would the author of the link in 111 think that was OK? Is integrity only really integrity with the proper political coloration?


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:58 PM
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folks who are convinced I'm censoring myself

That's a pretty damned funny belief, I will agree. BitchPhD: afraid to speak her mind!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 12:59 PM
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What *I* don't get is how both the folks who think I ought not blog for SG, and the folks *at* SG who get pissed off at me for hating men, agree on the fact that my getting paid is somehow a terrible mark against my character.

That and their getting hung up *on* character, rather than actually thinking about what I'm writing. It's really interesting, and at some point I hope I'll figure out some way to articulate why that happens and what it means.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:00 PM
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That and their getting hung up *on* character

Yeah, once they start focussing on your character, you're pretty much dead in the water, B.

(Good thing you write so well though.)


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:02 PM
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That and their getting hung up *on* character, rather than actually thinking about so that they don't have to think about what I'm writing.

is it, I think.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:04 PM
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Why, thank you M/tch.

It's true, my character is just appalling. Filthy house, neglected child, cheating wife, left koi-pond owner, tenure-track dropout. It's a wonder anyone speaks to me at all.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:05 PM
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Good thing you're cute.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:06 PM
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121: So do you think this is what's going on with the usual troll-type response to things? I mean, we all do it to some extent. Is it simply a rejection of ideas?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:07 PM
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123: My boyfriend sometimes reassures me, when I get in a funk, that the patriarchy will never let me starve.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:07 PM
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Unless you get fat.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:11 PM
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126: But then I'd just have even bigger boobs.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:13 PM
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124: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, you stupid beyotch.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:13 PM
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124: In the case of your job at SG, anti-porn feminists and anti-feminist porn fans can't really reconcile the idea of a pro-porn feminist, so they're looking to find something about you that makes you a fluke or your ideas easy to dismiss. (Interesting and kind of depressing that the anti-porn feminists are calling you a whore by linking sex for money and blogging for money. Way to support the sisterhood.)

In the case of trolls, it's just pure hostility and they're trying to disrupt discussion to the point where your ideas aren't heard in the first place.


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129: I like that reading.

Yeah, the anti-sell-out idea that people ought to write for free is a really weird one. I mean, of course writing for free is absolutely lovely, but it seems somehow fundamentally anti-feminist to insist that real feminist work shouldn't be remunerated.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:16 PM
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it seems somehow fundamentally anti-feminist to insist that real feminist work shouldn't be remunerated.

All I know is that my RealFeminist cost me a bundle, and she doesn't really do any "work", per se.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:19 PM
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I'm willing to hold your money in blind trust for you so that your integrity will be unsmirched. When you want to take it out of the trust I'll report on how I spent it. You won't be responsible for my choices at all.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:19 PM
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Thank you, John, but a Real Feminist handles her own money.

Enough about me. Totally OT, just for Apo.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:24 PM
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You'd be surprised (or maybe you wouldn't) just how many people have emailed me about BaconSalt.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:29 PM
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Yeah, the anti-sell-out idea that people ought to write for free is a really weird one.

It makes sense if you assume that feminism necessarily includes a strong component of anti-capitalist critique. Me, I think it's self-sabotaging and to refuse to accept money for feminist work just marginalizes the movement even more.

But then I'm already in a good (race/class) position to benefit from capitalism, I'm not doing work that is explicitly feminist (being a female working in a male-dominated industry is at best passively feminist) and I make no bones about being a spoiled yuppie and enjoying the fruits that capitalism has brought me. I can understand how someone who is in a much less advantaged position could disagree.

(Where's Frowner where you need her?)


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:29 PM
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But have you heard about BaconLube?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:30 PM
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135: Well, even if you want feminism to be completely anti-capitalist, people need to fucking eat in the meantime.

Admittedly, I personally am nowhere near not being able to eat, but then that's because my husband works. The only income of my *own* at the moment is writing income.


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136: Comments 51-58.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:46 PM
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138: but BaconLube tastes like bacon.

By the way, the competing brand is BegginLube. I think there was a comparative review of them on that "Steve, don't bonk that!" site.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:53 PM
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M/tch, don't hit that!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:56 PM
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BeginLube, if you're keeping kosher.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 1:56 PM
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I ordered the 3-pack of Bacon Salt. I'll let everyone know how it is.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 2:37 PM
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I was disappointed to see the bacon salt was vegetarian. What the fuck is it made of?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:05 PM
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Artificially-flavored soy crumblies, probably. That's what Bac-Os are made of.


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:08 PM
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Nevermind, I found the ingredient list. Blech... doesn't sound too healthy. Although I see below the ingredient list it says: "Coming Soon... All Natural Version!" That could be promising.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:12 PM
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Wait, there's a product out there designed to make everything taste like bacon and you're worried about it being healthy?


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:20 PM
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At least as healthy as bacon, yeah. If I could do better just sprinkling crumbled bacon on all my food, I'm going to go with that.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:23 PM
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Sadly, I must change the subject away from bacon. When does the hottie poll end? Various comments in other threads say today or Monday. Do I leave the bots running all weekend when I leave the office?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:29 PM
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135: (being a female working in a male-dominated industry is at best passively feminist)

Wait, what? I know I'm a crappy feminist, but uh I thought part of the plan was for women to go into male-dominated industries and make them less male-dominated.


Posted by: Hamilton Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:33 PM
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"Planning" is a patriarchal value, Hamilton.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:36 PM
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Do I leave the bots running all weekend when I leave the office?

Thanks, but totally unattended bots make me nervous, so go ahead and turn them off when you leave.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:37 PM
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"totally unattended bots" = Hal


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:45 PM
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149: I say "passively feminist" because it's not like I was all, ooh, let me find a male-dominated profession and chick it all up. I'm doing what I enjoy and it happens to be in boyland. Now, if I had hiring authority, or I were seeking out girl geeks to mentor, that would be a different story. (Come to think of it, I did have some influence over hiring in my last job, though not final say, and I did tend to lobby for the woman the one time my boss brought one in to interview.)


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:50 PM
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tend to


Posted by: Magpie | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:52 PM
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"Planning" is a patriarchal value, Hamilton.

Luckily, little bitchery is universal.

(153: I don't think that's passive, fwiw. I mean, the idea of going into what you like *regardless* and not being swayed is kind of the point--not to deliberately seek out things you don't like and do them anyway.)


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:53 PM
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Does the contest appear frozen for anyone else? Kriston's topped out at 120201, and I can vote neither manually nor by bot.


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:56 PM
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I can't vote either.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:56 PM
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I wouldn't blame them for pulling the plug before the numbers start looking like a Presidential race, but I just voted for Yates and it seemed to work.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:58 PM
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You bastard, Slack.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 3:59 PM
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I just voted for Yates

Still racist.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:00 PM
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Just anti-Skrull, gentlemen. Ignore the signs at your peril.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:04 PM
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What's so bad about the Skrull?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:08 PM
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Anyway, it looks like I spoke too soon. Yates' total is also frozen.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:09 PM
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162: They smell like cabbage. Small hands.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:10 PM
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(No wait, that's carnies, isn't it? Never mind. I guess Skrulls are okay.)


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:12 PM
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w-lfs-n, why'd you take down that post you made?


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:28 PM
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Slol told me I was a bad person.

It was indiscreet, posting a real live person's email on the front page.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:29 PM
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It's important to me that slol thinks well of me, y'unnerstan.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:32 PM
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I just looked, and it's a closer race on the distaff side then I'd thought. When do the polls close?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 4:58 PM
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On Monday, I think.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:00 PM
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It's only close because w-lfs-n was running a bot for Howley.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:02 PM
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As if that isn't a legitimate reason.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:02 PM
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I do not think Ben is a bad person.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:25 PM
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I'm so relieved.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:27 PM
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Urbane, but not notably perspicacious.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:27 PM
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You wanna perhaps expand on that, hooker?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:32 PM
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I'm sure that those who have understanding understood it.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:37 PM
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So you're like an oracle, then?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:38 PM
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I just clicked through to see the female vote rankings. w-lfs-n, you sick fuck, what have you done?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:42 PM
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I believe you're confused about the nature of oracular utterances.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:43 PM
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The oracle is merely the conduit and doesn't know the meaning of her utterances, which are interpreted by others. Do you deny it? Deny it if you will: you will only confirm your ignorance.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:45 PM
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So was "lesbian titty orgy!!!" an oracular pronouncement? Or more of a prophecy? Or even a testament?


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:48 PM
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Ogged didn't claim to be an oracle, Ben.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:49 PM
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Must I explain everything?

Ogged said that those with understanding understood what he said. I called him an oracle to imply that he is not one of those with understanding, and that he didn't know the meaning of what he said, which was why he had to resort to circumlocutions when I asked him to expand. I'm aware that he didn't claim to be an oracle.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:51 PM
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You don't say.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:57 PM
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On the contrary.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 5:59 PM
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w-lfs-n, I never thought of you as a libertarian.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 7:34 PM
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I'm more of a compatibilist.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 7:53 PM
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w-lfs-n is a Calvinist.

And there's nothing he can do about it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:13 PM
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"lesbian titty orgy" is more of a piece of common folk wisdom than an oracular utterance.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:14 PM
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190: no no, it's a cryptic, anagrammatic message. Rearranged, it spells "betraying lit toys."

Prophecy!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:20 PM
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Also "a bit oyster tingly"!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:24 PM
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Yang toiletry bits!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:25 PM
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Blast integrity, yo.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:26 PM
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A linty bigotry set.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:28 PM
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Gayer Titbits Only.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:30 PM
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Tits: tangibly yore.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:32 PM
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A silty, gritty bone.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:35 PM
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I'm going to embarrass myself by asking, but do you guys use anagram software or do you do these like, in your head?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:36 PM
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Silty, yet aborting.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:36 PM
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199: Yeti blasting tyro.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:37 PM
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I tritely bang toys.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:38 PM
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Gotcha. Lesbian gritty toy.


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202: betray listing toy?!?!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:39 PM
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Oily titty bangers.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:40 PM
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I use wordsmith.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:41 PM
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Girly tit bayonets!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:42 PM
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I googled "anagram generator"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:42 PM
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204: Try ignitable toys.


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183: yon battiest girly!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:43 PM
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Oily Titty Bangers III was definitely the best film of that franchise.


Posted by: Hamilton Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:44 PM
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209: try bestial toying!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:44 PM
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Toy sty: liberating.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:45 PM
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Gyros laity bitten.

This site might have too many.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:46 PM
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214: Nobility strategy! That's a good one.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:47 PM
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Orbiting testy lay.

We've all been there.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:47 PM
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Tiny Tits, by Al Gore.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:49 PM
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Al, oystering by tit.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:49 PM
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______ is Yentl at bigotry.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:52 PM
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217 wins this and three threads to be named later.


Posted by: HL | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:53 PM
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If you make the phrase "a lesbian titty orgy," you can work Reagan into it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 9:56 PM
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"Charlottesville Virginia" anagrams to "hello cavalier virgin tits", calling into question Thomas Jefferson's real motivations for founding U.Va.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:46 PM
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Never have so many anas been grammed for such noble a purpose.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 07-27-07 10:55 PM
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jeremy's iron


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 07-28-07 8:45 PM
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Update: Bacon Salt does not make things taste like bacon.


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