Re: A Vat Of What, One Wonders

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People get prettier when they get blurrier.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:37 PM
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1: Well sure, but I enjoy drinking a hell of a lot more than I enjoy taking off my glasses.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:39 PM
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Notice how Velma always lost her glasses, but never her sippy flask?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:41 PM
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Because I think ttam nattarGcM will be here eventually - your lentil recipe in the Yupped Up food thread below is fantastic, thanks.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:42 PM
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"recent research" in the sense of five bloody years old mate.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:46 PM
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Yglesias linked to someone who saw it quoted in a book, and yeah, I've since found the original cite from a conference in 2002.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:47 PM
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how does he get away with it?


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:48 PM
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Well, look at his competitors at The Atlantic.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:50 PM
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I don't know who "he" is or what "it" is, but I'm guessing the answer is going to be "we're all drunk."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:50 PM
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I'm with Yggls on this one. When I'm drunk, no one looks better.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:52 PM
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I wonder if everyone in the study was drunk, or just the lookers and not the lookees.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:52 PM
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People get prettier when they get blurrier.

A blur or low-pass filter would tend to hide small-scale blemishes that might be otherwise offputting. I wonder if you did a similar test with blur-filtered and unfiltered pictures of MOTAS, and no alcohol, if you'd get similar results, or if there are other factors here.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:56 PM
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Has Yglesias ever been drunk?

Has ogged ever been drunk? And if so, by whom?

I think there's a better link than that one for my point, but can't find it now.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:57 PM
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I tend to find that women become more attractive when I'm drunk, but this is only true when the women are also drunk.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:58 PM
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They become so blurry, they aproach an eigenface!


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:59 PM
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Or even approach one.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 5:59 PM
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There is a third, horribly offensive theory, proposed to me by the douchey hedonist I've mentioned previously: "When you're drunk, dude, you don't wanna have a girl you need to be gentle with. You want cushion for the pushin'."


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:00 PM
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I hope your college experience has been everything you hoped it would be so far, destroyer.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:00 PM
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w/d, I almost noted in the post that I've had about three beers in the past three years. However, much of my college career was spent drunk off my ass.

Off to see The Coach...


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:01 PM
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18: I've stopped running in the same circles as that guy, at least.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:02 PM
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"When you're drunk, dude, you don't wanna have a girl you need to be gentle with. You want cushion for the pushin' a dude. You know what I'm sayin'? Dude?"


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:03 PM
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15: baby, you're closer to the mean of human appearance than any ever seen *hic*


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:03 PM
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Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.

...I'm struggling to make a joke about hunger being the best pickle.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:04 PM
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22: wanna see my principal component?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:06 PM
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Hey pretty lady, is your daddy an optometrist? 'Cause I'm having trouble here.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:06 PM
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24: whoooo-eee, you are one high dimensional vector.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:09 PM
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That's nothing; you should apply a raising operator to my ground-state.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:10 PM
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You know, it's always embarrassing when my quest to escalate a series of dumb quotes make me realize I've almost totally forgotten something I really had ought to know.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:18 PM
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Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.

I'm gonna go with that theory. It explains a much wider spectrum of behavior, including the tendency for pairs of already acquainted people to jump in the sack when drunk.

I think it's also a fair hypothesis that heightened horniness unrelated to drinking also increases the perceived attractiveness of others.

Now who wants to design a study to disentangle the effects of alcohol and horniness on perceived attractiveness? Let's assume for the sake of argument that no Human Subjects Review Committee need sign off on it.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:48 PM
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27: non-coherent ... entangled state ... no communication [theorem].

(That's the best that I've got.)


Posted by: gea | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:54 PM
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Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.

that's totally it. Inhibitions drop, sex is more fun, and opposite sex faces take on that glow of promise.


Posted by: marcus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:57 PM
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sex is more fun

What? You mean "sex with unattractive strangers," I can only hope.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 6:58 PM
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32 gets it right.

While drunk I've made out with people I hadn't made out with before, but would have been scared to have sex in that incompetent state. My feeling was "finally, the inhibitions are falling! maybe she's finally my girlfriend!"


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:00 PM
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33: you know, I've always been puzzled about whether it's appropriate to call a horse your "girlfriend," too.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:03 PM
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I think this will sound fairly terrible of me but I actually noticed the beer goggles materializing the other night, while I was knocking out a sixer and some with a friend of mine. It was no observation about her, truly. But from the safe analytical remove of abstinence I could kind of see it happening to myself.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:05 PM
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I would imagine an increase in fun would mostly be a result of reduced inhibitions carrying over into the bedroom.

Marijuana seems to more directly increase carnal pleasures, but i haven't found it to favorably impact the chance of such encounters.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:06 PM
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I'm sure she finds you attractive when she's sober, Smash.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:06 PM
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Maybe the perception of increased attractiveness is just due to alcohol-induced horniness.

This is what it would be for me, at least. Not so much that other person's attractiveness increasing but any port in a storm. Or, uh, whatever the reverse of that would be... ship docking.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:08 PM
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If you lot had studied at the feet of Homer, you'd know that beer opens your Inner Eye, and allows you to see the true beauty of the people you're with. That's why you're constantly telling the your friends how awesome they are, how much you love them, etc. Of course the women get more attractive.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:08 PM
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I think all drinking does for me is lower the feeling like having sex with someone will "complicate" things. So yeah, it makes friends more attractive, but not, like, better-looking. Just less inaccessible. I haven't ever really acted on that impulse, though, so I don't know what I'm talking about. I really don't do things drunk that I didn't want to do sober.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:09 PM
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38: any storm in your port?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:10 PM
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re: 4

Thanks!

Incidentally, re: puy lentils, this recipe is bloody delicious.

http://nigelslater.com/recipes_view.asp?nRecipe_ID=%7B7E3586CC-5B96-4DCA-BE60-BD12AF736C53%7D&nRecipeCat_ID=%7B241E127B-C07E-4116-936C-EF2DE068E6E1%7D&sSrc=

Never thought I'd like cold peas, but it totally works.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:10 PM
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42: And it has instructions that contain the words 'enthusiastic simmer'!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:12 PM
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Being drunk helps a bit with confidence, too.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:13 PM
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44 to 43.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:14 PM
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38: any storm in your port?

I hear tawny is getting increasingly unfashionable.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:14 PM
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It's one of those great 1970s Barry White tracks. The Love Unlimited Orchestra funking away, basso voice rumbling "I'm gonna get you at an enthusiastic simmer, baby."


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:16 PM
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Two hundred and forty dollars worth of cold peas?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:18 PM
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47: you know baby, I got these lentils, and baby I just want you to simmer with 'em baby, simmer all night long.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:18 PM
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40: The dynamics are likely much different when dealing with friends/exes rather than strangers/minor acquaintances. Possibly that the horniness and lowered inhibitions overwhelm a lack of attraction in the latter cases and a fear of complications in the former.

Or we just become less neurotic temporarily.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:18 PM
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I cook, baby, and then I chill.


Posted by: Puy lentils | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:19 PM
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Enthusiastic simmer
Sophisticated lady


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:19 PM
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Puy lentils are the sexiest lentils.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:19 PM
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Enormous, mendacious, disembodied anus
Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:19 PM
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Oh dear, immediately after de-lurking I become the nerd that stays on-topic after everyone else.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:23 PM
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I was so guilty of beer goggling in college that there was an active betting pool regarding my "dates", and an intervention squad that deployed regularly. Good times.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:24 PM
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55: your opinion looks wonderful from here, sexy lady. Comment here often?

(thud)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:26 PM
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53: Wrong! Beluga!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:26 PM
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Around here beer goggles lead to beer googles.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:27 PM
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58: not immediately understanding you, I imagined "Beluga!" was the sound the "you're wrong!" horn made.

Wrong! (beLOOOOOOOga!)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:29 PM
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An onomatopoetic lentil-pwn.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:31 PM
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puyned!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:32 PM
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(beLOOOOOOOga!)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:32 PM
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58: not even if I call them lentilles du Puy?

I disagree anyway. Oh, they're small and black. Big deal. Lentilles du Puy taste awesome and their color is far better.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:33 PM
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I just have regular brown lentils and little red ones.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:34 PM
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64: But while lentilles du Puy merely make a good-tasting olive-colored broth, belugas make a gorgeous, earthy-tasting ruby-red/purple broth in which one can make extraordinary grains, like millet.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:36 PM
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Lentils are overrated. There, I said it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:37 PM
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At this very moment, I'm eating homemade kik alicha because I'm so sick of lentilles du puy right now.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:38 PM
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I tend to stick to green split peas or blackeyed peas. Cook to death with a ham hock, add lemon juice, serve!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:40 PM
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Death By Ham Hock is a mysterious and fascinating concept.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:42 PM
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A variation on that story where the woman kills her husband with the frozen leg of lamb and then cooks it up for the police officer.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:45 PM
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71: the proof is in the split peas!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:46 PM
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The clue is the abalone.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:49 PM
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I tend to stick to green split peas or blackeyed peas. Cook to death with a ham hock, add lemon juice, vinegar serve!

That there Yankee book larnin' has done gone and made ya' all high-falutin', ain't it, Blume?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:53 PM
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I question the rigor of your collective drunk studies. Clearly, the subject experiences blurred vision, lowered inhibitions, and impaired judgment.

What remains to be studied is whether these effects are merely additive, or if they are synergistic.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:55 PM
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Pea soup is what you do with the ham hock after Christmas or Easter.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:56 PM
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We actually didn't eat blackeyed peas when I was growing up. Only vegetables you can put cream in! Especially lima beans.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:56 PM
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"Lambent Cactus" is a pretty cool name.

And is right about the need to demonstrate whether the effects were additive or synergistic. Also, was there a dose-response effect between the independent variable of alcohol intake and the dependent variable of...sextacularity?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:57 PM
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Lambent, are you any relation to Fran├žoise?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:57 PM
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77: tell us about the Jell-O molds.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:58 PM
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You can also put cream in those! Jello with cream! and canned fruit!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 7:59 PM
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Black-eyed peas had a special place in my house, especially on New Year's Day. I blame this particularly shitty year on the lack of BEPs at a crucial moment.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:00 PM
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Only vegetables you can put cream in! Especially lima beans.

One of my theories of cooking is that there is no food that can't be improved by the addition of cream. I have heard putative exceptions to this theory, but none that I found plausible. I'll get called a blasphemer in these parts for saying it, but I think cream has a stronger claim to universal complementarity than even bacon.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:01 PM
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I'm so sad that I missed The Days of Drunk Ogged. In a way, I can imagine; in another, I completely can't. Stupid heart flutter thingie.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:04 PM
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I had lentils for dinner tonight. They were good.

Also, I've always found alcohol to have a negative effect on horniness. Inhibition-lowering, yes, but in terms of physiological response, not so much. I was talking to my sister about this once (which was exactly as awkward as it sounds) and she thought I was crazy.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:04 PM
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Also, I've always found alcohol to have a negative effect on horniness

That explains so, so much.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:06 PM
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There's not some sort of zone, where you get at least some slight inhibition lowering without the physiological effects?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:07 PM
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My old roommate remained a virgin until age 26 in part because alcohol lowered her inhibitions, but it also made her fall suddenly and adorably asleep.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:08 PM
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but in terms of physiological response, not so much.

Ask your sister to ask you if you've read Macbeth. Also.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:09 PM
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Jello with cream! and canned fruit!

Just don't forget to spray the inside of the mold with Pam (TM) cooking spray beforehand!

Next week on Red State Kitchen: making pies with Cool Whip and Jello Pudding.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:09 PM
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There's not some sort of zone, where you get at least some slight inhibition lowering without the physiological effects?

No, there is, and that's the sweet spot I try to hit. My low tolerance makes it a little difficult, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:09 PM
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Practice makes perfect.


Posted by: mano negra | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:10 PM
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One of my theories of cooking is that there is no food that can't be improved by the addition of cream.

This is related to my theory that any food can be improved by the addition of fat.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:10 PM
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Apparently I have been doing this whole drinking thing wrong. My inhibitions tend to go up when I am drunk.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:11 PM
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Ask your sister to ask you if you've read Macbeth.

I have actually read Macbeth.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:11 PM
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Also, I've always found alcohol to have a negative effect on horniness. Inhibition-lowering, yes, but in terms of physiological response, not so much.

Same here. In fact, so much the same that I said the same thing in 33.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:11 PM
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Is there anyone else who finds his/her own image in the mirror improved by alcohol?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:11 PM
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I can't resist even though teo has read it:

Macd. What three things does Drinke especially
prouoke?
Port. Marry, Sir, Nose-painting, Sleepe, and Vrine.
Lecherie, Sir, it prouokes, and vnprouokes: it prouokes
the desire, but it takes away the performance. Therefore
much Drinke may be said to be an Equiuocator with Lecherie:
it makes him, and it marres him; it sets him on,
and it takes him off; it perswades him, and dis-heartens
him; makes him stand too, and not stand too: in conclusion,
equiuocates him in a sleepe, and giuing him the Lye,
leaues him

Macd. I beleeue, Drinke gaue thee the Lye last Night


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:12 PM
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Pea soup is what you do with the ham hock after Christmas or Easter.

I'll get called a blasphemer in these parts for saying it, but I think cream has a stronger claim to universal complementarity than even bacon.

Goyishest thread ever.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:12 PM
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Is there anyone else who finds his/her own image in the mirror improved by alcohol?

I don't know about that, but I've known many people who found the sound of their own singing voice more beautiful after alcohol consumption. Rumour has it that some of them even attend unfogged meetups!


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:13 PM
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You guys are silly with your cream and your butter and your bacon fat. A touch of butter and/or cheese can be lovely, but cream is insane in most foods, and too much fat is greasy and vomit-inducing and covers over delicate flavors.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:14 PM
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In fact, so much the same that I said the same thing in 33.

That doesn't seem quite the same, at least as phrased in 33, but it is what reminded me of this, so pwnership acknowledged.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:15 PM
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100: Sorry about that, dudes. I sing when drunk, but I definitely look worse to myself when drunk.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:15 PM
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102: the spirit is willing, but the flesh is pwned.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:17 PM
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Also drunk.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:17 PM
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You guys are silly with your cream and your butter and your bacon fat...Cream is insane in most foods.

You know, AWB, I'm starting to reconsider the liberal stance I took toward promoting heterodox opinions on this blog. There are some opinions that really are beyond the pale.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:18 PM
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but the flesh is pwned

And not pawed.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:19 PM
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78: Why thank you. I've been here under another, realer name, but figured it was time to pseud up.

79: Nope. Who is that?


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:20 PM
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I was talking to my sister about this once (which was exactly as awkward as it sounds)

Oh god. I don't even want to think about having that conversation with my brother.

Now, you should have found a way to have that conversation with one of the girls you've been dating in a way that makes her take it as a challenge.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:20 PM
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time to pseud up

Clever


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:21 PM
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As the Bard notes, horniness does not entail performance.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:22 PM
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109: Yeah, because "I go all limp by the time I'm drunk enough to want to have sex" is a super-hot line.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:22 PM
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This post is old news.


Posted by: Lurker Chris | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:23 PM
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Half of this group.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:23 PM
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109: Now, you should have found a way to have that conversation with one of the girls you've been dating

Assumes facts not in evidence: maybe he did!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:24 PM
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Now, you should have found a way to have that conversation with one of the girls you've been dating in a way that makes her take it as a challenge.

Something like this?

"I swear, Beverly, when I get drunk not even a girl as hot as you could induce an erection."
"Sounds like a wager to me!"


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:24 PM
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112 - It's not a super-hot line but I can think of some friends in college who would have been stupid enough to fall for it.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:25 PM
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114: Now there's a band that sounds really good unless you listen to five or more songs, in which case you instantly get sick of them.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:25 PM
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In committed relationships, uh, such unwilling flesh problems could be a reason to decide to have sex before going out drinking. Might be hard to start off a date that way though.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:26 PM
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117: well with that ringing endorsement!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:26 PM
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Not-bald non-lurker chris, why have you prepended "lurker" to your handle?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:27 PM
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But if you see them live you will dance your ass off.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:27 PM
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"We should have sex now, because I'm going to get super drunk later."

Now that is a pickup line.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:27 PM
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123 - I'd probably fall for that one.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:29 PM
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"I never thought I would be able to get drunk enough to want to sleep with you and still be able to maintain an erection, but what do you know, I've done it!"

Might be worth a shot.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:30 PM
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We should have sex now, because I'm going to get super drunk have two glasses of wine later.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:30 PM
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I never thought I would be able to get drunk enough to want to sleep with you and still be able to maintain an erection

With great power comes great responsibility.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:31 PM
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I'm taking notes here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:31 PM
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"We should have sex now, because I'm going to get super drunk later."

Doesn't work if your planned date consists of a movie and ice skating, though.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:32 PM
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So who'll be the first to deploy 123 in DC?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:32 PM
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Yeah, because "I go all limp by the time I'm drunk enough to want to have sex" is a super-hot line.

Creepy! Hott!


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:33 PM
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(Cryptic Ned has never heard of flasks.)


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:33 PM
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If you see them die, you will have a more muted reaction.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:33 PM
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DO NOT ice skate drunk.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:34 PM
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134: nor on ecstasy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:35 PM
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So who'll be the first to deploy 123 in DC?

I suspect it works best if you're already noticeably somewhat drunk. Sense of urgency.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:35 PM
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If you see them die, you will have a more muted reaction.

The erections?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:35 PM
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Poor little erections. Uh, I mean...


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:36 PM
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112 could work as a pickup line if you're a girl and he's a weirdo.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:37 PM
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They look like they're sleeping.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:37 PM
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heebie loses all bone structure when asleep.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:38 PM
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Oh and I suppose other people develop bone structures in their sleep? And just awaken with extra bones?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:40 PM
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I saw something at the store (book or video) yesterday that had HEEBIE-GEEBIE in bold. I laughe out loud.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:41 PM
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I suppose other people develop bone structures in their sleep?

Yes?


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:41 PM
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Heebie is Gleep.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:42 PM
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Oh and I suppose other people develop bone structures in their sleep? And just awaken with extra bones?

No, and yes.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:42 PM
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I lathe out loud.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:43 PM
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And just awaken with extra bones?

Sometimes, yeah. But only one.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:43 PM
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have sex before going out

The only aspect of French culture that sounded appealing, as said culture was depicted by Diane Johnson in Le Divorce.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:43 PM
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147: That's how I first read it.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:44 PM
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I saw something at the store (book or video) yesterday that had HEEBIE-GEEBIE in bold. I laughe out loud.

Neat! Did it give you the will-ies?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:45 PM
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Did 131 pwn 139? Judges?


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:45 PM
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Me, I just keep remembering that "HBGBD" was one of the most powerful cheat codes in Bubble Bobble.

Can you change your name to heebie-geebie-dee to enhance the resemblance?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:47 PM
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152: you inspired me, man. I'll give it to you. I should have referenced you, I really should have.

I am filled with limp.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:47 PM
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149: You'd think this might be a good idea, except then the only reason you have to be at all temperate in food and drink is out the window and you both come home too late, too grumpy, and too drunk.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:48 PM
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Completely OT: Why can't eBay's search be like Google's? Or even Yahoo's? Why is it so horribly, infuratingly bad? If lousy search results are still enough to get you some purchases some of the time, isn't there still a floor below which the search results cannot be allowed to sink?

/end of rant


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:48 PM
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except then the only reason you have to be at all temperate in food and drink is out the window

This is bad?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:49 PM
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AWB: Objectively (and surprisingly) anti-hedonism.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:51 PM
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you both come home too late, too grumpy, and too drunk.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:51 PM
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and you both come home too late, too grumpy, and too drunk

Or you've spent the evening out in anticipation, and now you're finally home together, and drunk enough to be a little crazier than you otherwise might. And then you get to fall asleep after.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:52 PM
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Drunk sex is the best lentils.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:53 PM
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I'm pro-long-term hedonism. If I'm going to have an evening involving good sex, good food, and good drink, it's important to limit the latter two such that the former can be had, and then looked-forward-to ASAP.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:54 PM
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Blume has it right.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:54 PM
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Long-term in the scope of an evening, of course. I hate discomfort.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:54 PM
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Returns to hedonism are historically sporadic. A buy and hold strategy might not be optimal. Sure, you should mostly go long, but sometimes going short can be a blockbuster move.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:55 PM
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162: This pre-meditated hedonism is why the red states hate democrats.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:58 PM
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Borrow hedons at the current price, sell, and buy back when the price drops.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 8:58 PM
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A bargain at any price, hedons are the gift that gives for a while, and then stops giving, only sometimes making you feel guilty later.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:00 PM
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There's a hedon bubble that's keeping everything else artificially high.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:01 PM
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I've always though the securitization of hedonism was a mistake.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:03 PM
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Irrational exuberance can really be a bitch.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:03 PM
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So, the popping of the hedonism bubble is when everyone blinks, looks around, and realizes that some things just aren't as fun as they thought all along? Kinda like the moment you outgrow Monopoly?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:04 PM
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168 -

Only if you're consuming empty hedons.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:05 PM
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172: it's when the party runs out of booze finally.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:05 PM
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I'm pro-long-term hedonism.

YM "pro long-term hedonism".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:05 PM
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I'ma prolong term hedonism


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:06 PM
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No, when the cost of hedons falls. So the price would have to increase. That would be everyone looking around, and deciding that everything is much more fun than they thought?


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:06 PM
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Better get to the liquor store, then, Sifu.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:06 PM
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prolong term-hedonism?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:07 PM
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Waay pwned.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:07 PM
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Imprudential is your source for term-hedonism.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:07 PM
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180: now let's get dinner!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:08 PM
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That all went so fast I'm not sure I realized it had even happened.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:09 PM
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183 - I get that a lot.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:10 PM
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it's when the party runs out of booze finally.

Yeah, but then you just make breakfast and leisurely watch the sun rise before falling asleep. Not a bad way to end the evening.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:10 PM
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184- Laydeez.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:10 PM
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Yeah, but then you just make breakfast and leisurely watch the sun rise before falling asleep. Not a bad way to end the evening.

Do you eat the breakfast before falling asleep, or just let the stove keep running until the sound of the smoke alarm awakens you to a tasty, black, crispy omelette?


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:12 PM
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Outgrow Monopoly? I've outgrown stupid games only at the rate that the opposition has declined to play. I call this phenomenon, "Victory."


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:13 PM
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187: depends what recipe book you're using.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:13 PM
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How are you at intelligent games, foolish?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:14 PM
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190: How about a nice game of global thermonuclear war?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:14 PM
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187: Oh, you don't eat it. Just make it, and then set it out to look at. It's a sort of tableau.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:15 PM
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Passable.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:16 PM
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The truly intelligent games however, bend me to their will. There's a game of go I've been turning tricks for since '99.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:19 PM
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That's the game of life for you.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:20 PM
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Sorry for the slip (He was in the room).


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:21 PM
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I hadn't realized that 189 was just an abstract now. The full Ambien Cookbook.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:26 PM
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I've gotten a lot of weird phone calls from friends who've accidentally taken two Ambien. It sure as hell doesn't put you to sleep when you overdose. Very impressive stuff.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:30 PM
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198: Were they naked in a hotel?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:36 PM
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I took one once as I took my seat on a red eye and was asleep before we taxied to the runway. I woke up a continent away, at touchdown.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:37 PM
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The only way to win is to take two Ambien.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:37 PM
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198: were they looking fabulous?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:39 PM
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......................Like outtakes from a bad Ben Stiller flick...............


Posted by: Lucky | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:41 PM
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Speaking of nuclear war, Chinese sub pops up in middle of US Navy exercise, within striking distance of the carrier USS Kitty Hawk.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:42 PM
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Your period key appears to be stuck, there, scooter.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:42 PM
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I always wonder whether these stories are planted by the military in an effort to increase their entropy, er I mean budget.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:43 PM
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You went to sleep
but not for long
now you're the creep
with the ball gown on
Ambien


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:43 PM
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Sleep-driving?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:46 PM
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I always wonder whether these stories are planted by the military in an effort to increase their entropy, er I mean budget.

"Infinite amounts of subsidies have not made us able to do the simplest things. We need infinity plus one."

It's worked for the auto industry.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:47 PM
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208: that is a very, very bad plan young man.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:47 PM
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Wasn't that Ambien that had Apo waking up in a feather boa?
Pwnd by 207, which is sweet.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:48 PM
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...............................rilly?

We eagerly await the Norman Podhoretz Celebration at UF. Oy vey!


Posted by: Lucky | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:49 PM
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Is Teo self-cock-blocking because he's worried about whiskey dick? Teo? Have a shot or two, then nurse a beer; you'll be fine.

Sleep-driving?

I have a friend constantly at risk for this. Kind of scary.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:49 PM
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213: I know people who have had rather serious trouble with it. Difficult to do well.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:50 PM
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...............................208: that is a very, very bad plan young man.

208 is to 207. Ain't you got no culture?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:51 PM
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Not whiskey dick; sleep driving. Whiskey dick's just like riding a bike.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:51 PM
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It's easy once you're in the saddle?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:53 PM
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Is Teo self-cock-blocking because he's worried about whiskey dick?

No, I'm self-cock-blocking for entirely different reasons.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:53 PM
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My brother found me snoring in the lotus position in the living room after I used my sleep meds. It wasn't particularly fancy, but we don't have the equipment for that sort of thing.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:54 PM
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217: it makes it tough to have sex.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:54 PM
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No, I'm self-cock-blocking for entirely different reasons.

And I've been trying to suss them out for a while, but you're doing a good job of keeping them hidden.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:55 PM
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Today I passed an apartment building in Allston that was named "Bacon Chambers" It was carved over the door.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:56 PM
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I'm a bit confused, whiskey dick is being unable to get an erection, correct? Is there a separate term for an inability to reach a satisfactory conclusion because of alcohol?


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:57 PM
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220: indeed


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:57 PM
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Whatever they are, they seem to be working pretty well. A friend of mine whom I'm not even trying to have sex with is now not answering my Facebook messages for reasons that are completely mysterious to me.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:57 PM
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222: yes, it is revered in myth and legend. Or at least it was, when I lived in Allston.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:57 PM
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225: might as well try to have sex with them now.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:59 PM
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Is there a separate term for an inability to reach a satisfactory conclusion because of alcohol?

Probably, but I don't know it. And I think I've only heard "whiskey dick" used once, by a speaker during freshman orientation in college.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:59 PM
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I guess, but it seems unlikely to work out.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 9:59 PM
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A friend of mine whom I'm not even trying to have sex with is now not answering my Facebook messages for reasons that are completely mysterious to me.

Maybe she's been keeping up with the comment threads on some blog.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:03 PM
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That would sure suck.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:04 PM
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Her eyes have crossed from the monitor and she's kind of self conscious about it.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:06 PM
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Unlikely, however. Do you care to offer an explanation of facebook teo?


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:06 PM
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I'm a bit confused, whiskey dick is being unable to get an erection, correct?

Ray suffers from the same confusion


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:06 PM
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Sleep-driving reminds me of a very dark and slightly windy (wine-dy) road I'd drive in my youth, where I'd go and turn off my lights for a few seconds at a time. What a rush. Totally stupid, of course. Don't let your kids drive until they're 30.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:07 PM
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234 pwned, it pains me to say, by 89.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:08 PM
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Facebook Teo is just like Regular Teo, except less verbose, and with brighter colors.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:08 PM
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Isn't the point of Ambien that it doesn't really put you to sleep, just gives you anterograde amnesia? That way, you cannot remember tossing and turning, or making that call to AWB, or putting on the boa, so you think you just fell asleep.


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235: I have occasionally bicycled with my eyes closed. A pretty amazing feeling.

There's a great passage in Vineland about crazy desert rats ("beer runners" in the book) gunning it through zero visibility thule fogs in eastern LA county.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:10 PM
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Dammit! SHould have seen that. Macbeth threw me off.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:10 PM
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236 reminds me of my HS pass time: hotbox Montclair fog-driving. It's like a rally race without the reflexes, visibility, or fear of death.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:15 PM
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Facebook Teo is just like Regular Teo, except less verbose, and with brighter colors.

Yeah, that about sums it up.

I'm seriously freaking out about this. She's like the only friend I have.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:16 PM
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That is exactly the spirit, foolishmortal. Did you grow up in Montclair? Disconcertingly, you might know somebody I know.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:16 PM
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239: What is it with you and vineland?


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:16 PM
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243:Y. Younger than you, but it would figure.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:17 PM
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What were you messaging her about? Is there any reason why she wouldn't respond to your messages? If there isn't, then maybe she's been really busy for the past little while. Try calling her or something, if you're not worried about being pushy.


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:17 PM
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235: my roommate, when working construction, was repeatedly extended an offer to go "drive around some old country roads with a 30-piece[of crack], just taking a hit every now and then".

I guess the general idea is that going anywhere near a road means you are probably going to die.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:18 PM
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244: it's one of my favorite books. California! Lady ninjas! Rad cars! Paranoia! Drug use! Godzilla! Ukeleles!

It gets at what I love about the west coast better than any other novel I've read.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:18 PM
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245: he lived there for quite a while, and had a younger sister. It's not too big a town, so, huh. Show up at a meetup why doncha and we'll discuss.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:19 PM
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"Alcohol had no effect on the rating of same-sex attractiveness
So, are they saying this phenomena does not apply to homosexuals? (Cuz I could prove them wrong before you can say "green lentils". ) Or are they saying that they just don't give a shit about who 'homos' find attractive - while drunk or sober?

17: I've had about three beers in the past three years.
Sticking with gin then, are you?

171: Irrational exuberance can really be a bitch.
Hey man, why you gotta be so meeeeen??


Posted by: Irrational Exuberance | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:23 PM
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What were you messaging her about?

I was asking if she wanted to get together sometime this week. We've been getting together from time to time for a few months now.

Is there any reason why she wouldn't respond to your messages?

Not that I can think of. I just saw her on Saturday and we got along fine.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:27 PM
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249: Will do.

248: And you don't like GR because?


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:27 PM
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252.2: who says? I like it plenty. It just isn't about California.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:28 PM
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253 continued: and it doesn't have the same quality of ninja.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:28 PM
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251: how long has she been unresponsive, teo? I would argue for not sweating it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:29 PM
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If you just saw her on Saturday, I'd chill for a few days.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:29 PM
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Send AWB facebook messages instead!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:30 PM
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251: I have a tendency to assume the worst in similar situations, and that's alway/almost always been a mistake on my part.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:30 PM
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I advise 256 because I ignore FB messages all the time, or read them and assume they need no immediate response.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:31 PM
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then maybe she's been really busy for the past little while

Yeah, I'm afraid I leave messages hanging all the time, despite my best intentions.

Of course, I'm a crappy friend.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:32 PM
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Dude, since Saturday? People do go offline every now and again.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:32 PM
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how long has she been unresponsive, teo?

A day or so. But I've sent her three messages, the last one asking why she wasn't responding to my messages, and still nothing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:33 PM
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260: on the note of being a crappy friend, how did brunch go? Wish I could have made it....


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:33 PM
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What is this "offline" of which you speak? I do not understand.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:33 PM
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258, 259, 260: Well, fuck.

261: She's been online, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:34 PM
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261 is, I think, a really solid point that may not be obvious given the time you spend here.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:34 PM
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the last one asking why she wasn't responding to my messages

No no no no no no no. No.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:34 PM
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258 seconded. God Teo, you sound like my long lost brother sometimes.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:34 PM
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262: When in doubt, unless you're the kind of friends who talk all day every day, and really not even then, I'd recommend not asking someone why they're not responding to you.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:35 PM
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No no no no no no no. No.

Hence 265.1.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:35 PM
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269: lest `because you are whiny, needy, and annoying' becomes the response.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:36 PM
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When in doubt, unless you're the kind of friends who talk all day every day, and really not even then, I'd recommend not asking someone why they're not responding to you.

And assuming I already did?


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263: Brunch was fun. Wish you could have been there, too. After the eating came the drinking of coffee/beer/lemonade for a few hours. Verdict on Magpie & Josh: Funny & nice. (Heebie, you already know this about.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:36 PM
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271: in some contexts that might be a reassuring affirmation, of course.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:37 PM
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oh, lay off a bit people. I certainly wouldn't recommend it, but then again, it's not necessarily the end of the world.


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273: but Jammies, what of Jammies?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:37 PM
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273: also coffee, beer and lemonade sounds like an awful cocktail.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:38 PM
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I only asked because this seems really atypical. She usually responds right away. And I know she's been online.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:38 PM
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re: 262: if someone doesn't explain FB etiquette to me I'm going to be bothered.
3 emails would be bad; three voicemails worse. To which is this more comparable?


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255 to 272.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:38 PM
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272: Just let it go, even if it's for a month or so. Don't apologize, don't send another message; just chill and cultivate other friendships for a while.

And yes, everyone does that kind of shit sometimes, but you can't back out of it by communicating more.


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272: seriously? Assuming you did, it really probably isn't a big deal. Don't make it into a big deal.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:39 PM
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3 emails would be bad; three voicemails worse. To which is this more comparable?

Email, I think.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:39 PM
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279: emails, I'd guess.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:40 PM
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And yes, everyone does that kind of shit sometimes, but you can't back out of it by communicating more.

It's totally like the invasion of Iraq, is what she's saying.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:40 PM
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3 emails would be bad; three voicemails worse. To which is this more comparable?

Milder than email.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:40 PM
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You can't unshit the facebook.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:41 PM
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In any case: first, do no harm.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:41 PM
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Just let it go, even if it's for a month or so. Don't apologize, don't send another message; just chill and cultivate other friendships for a while.

I realize this is the way to go, but arrgh. I really don't have any other friends that I see regularly.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:41 PM
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276: Jammies, alas, was doing final packing for official co-habitation with heebie. We were told, however, that he sent his regards. (M/tch & I did meet Jammies on another occasion and pronounce him lovely.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:42 PM
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the other thing is that some people are just a bit flaky, & if you never emailed them twice in a row you'd just fall out of contact.


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I'm not comparing it to war, fer chrissakes. But getting three emails, one of which says, "I know you've been online. Why aren't you responding to me?" would make me feel weird and I'd probably need a few weeks to myself.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:43 PM
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You have Pretend Internet Friends! Make some regular or other come visit you. I nominate, uh, B and, mmmmm, Armsmasher.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:43 PM
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(but obviously multiple emails right in a row don't help much with 291).


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:43 PM
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I'm not comparing it to war, fer chrissakes

Of course not; Sifu got it.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:45 PM
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How far is teo from other West Coast Unfoggedinators?


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289: could you redirect the relationship with the Orthodox girl? Don't you have some kind of massive fan club?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:45 PM
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289: You could get a job at a coffeehouse.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:45 PM
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How far is teo from other West Coast Unfoggedinators?

About 1000 miles. And I don't think "other" is really warranted there.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:45 PM
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Or wait, is teo still in AZ/NM?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:46 PM
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Why is Sir Kraab referring to teo in the 3rd person, knowing he's online right now?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:46 PM
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could you redirect the relationship with the Orthodox girl?

I'm pretty sure by "just friends" she meant "never call me again."

Don't you have some kind of massive fan club?

Not that I'm aware of.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:47 PM
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Take a road trip, teo! First, off to Wrongshore's, where you can chuck a clock in a dumpster together. Then, visit B, and laugh and laugh at her filthy house. Then, off to see the elephant seals mating with ogged, and finally, up to w-lfs-n's place, where the two of you can go wildcatting.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:47 PM
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Wait for her to get back to you, and then apologize for it ('sorry about being weird like that' or somesuch.) I'd recommend waiting to hear back from her for the next few days. If you haven't heard from her by say, Friday, try to get in touch by another means (if you guys sometimes use another means.) How does that sound?


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:47 PM
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300: Yes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:47 PM
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304: Sounds good.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:48 PM
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305: See, you should have driven/hitched down for the brunch.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:49 PM
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306 to 303.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:50 PM
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304: I would recommend not apologizing. It's not a big deal - don't make it one.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:50 PM
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307: Yeah, that would have only been about 800 miles.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:51 PM
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304,306: apologizing could be either good or bad, it would help if you can affect a humorous, self-deprecating manner.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:51 PM
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306 to 303.

Emphatically not.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:51 PM
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307: See? Right next door. Sheesh, doesn't anyone do 1000 mile days anymore?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:52 PM
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Buy a ticket to South America, teo. If you spend a couple months there you'll be forced to a) learn spanish, b)learn how to socialize in small groups c)how to avoid sex with europeans on their gap year that want nothing to do with the locals.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:52 PM
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This whole thing just goes to show that it's not just romantic situations that I'm terrible at handling. Also that I'm needy and insecure.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:52 PM
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Sheesh, doesn't anyone do 1000 mile days anymore?

My sister and I drove from Houston to Albuquerque in one day this past summer.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:54 PM
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We totally knew that, Teo. Are we supposed to be telling you this stuff?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:54 PM
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303: Wildcatting=tomcatting?


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:55 PM
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Wildcatting=tomcatting?

Urban dictionary tells me that tomcatting is not age-specific, but wildcatting refers to prowling for older women.


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318: yeah, that.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:56 PM
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Huh! Well, teo is getting up there. He should be looking for a mature woman.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:57 PM
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You gave in too soon, Sifu. Insecure.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:57 PM
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Maybe tomorrow we should end each comment that responds to another comment with the state of mind that the first comment evinces.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:58 PM
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322: when it comes to cougars, I play dead.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:58 PM
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323: that's a good idea. Obsessive.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 10:59 PM
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Another set-up for Unfogged introspection! Dread.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:00 PM
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While using each other's pseuds!


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:01 PM
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Urban dictionary tells me that tomcatting is not age-specific, but wildcatting refers to prowling for older women.

Fortunately for teo, if he comes up here, the recent SFBG best of the bay feature said precisely where to go to engage in that practice.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:01 PM
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Megan always already fails to follow the rules.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:01 PM
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327 to 323 and/or 328.


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:03 PM
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329: and we love her for it. Prissy bemusement.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:03 PM
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I didn't really mean the exclamation point.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:03 PM
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Theory: when you're drunk, people look better because your status hangups drop off and you revert to what you *really* find attractive.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:03 PM
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Counter theory: the study results were thrown off by really drunk guys who thought they were in for a threesome with twins, but actually were just seeing double.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:05 PM
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I think I'm much too young and midwestern for 333 to make sense to me.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:05 PM
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Prissy bemusement.

In what way was my comment bemused? [Vocabulistic overreaching in a vain attempt to impress person or persons unknown.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:06 PM
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333 is not true to the phenomenology.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:06 PM
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... you revert to what you *really* find attractive nearby


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:07 PM
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336: Megan's vast life-force is too much for your reality, square. [abortive intellectual self-satisfaction]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:08 PM
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If wine seems a little spoiled, is it bad to keep drinking it?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:09 PM
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Tomorrow will tell.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:09 PM
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340: that depends, how much do you dislike throwing up?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:09 PM
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If wine seems a little spoiled, is it bad to keep drinking it?

Maybe. [Preening twee innocence.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:10 PM
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340: No, but it's cheaper to just drink the bottle of vinegar that's in the pantry.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:12 PM
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[Preening twee innocence.]

Oh, oh. Nobody calls me twee. [ self-satisfied shit-disturbitude ]

I think this wine is fine, really. What does it mean if the cork falls apart when you take it out?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:13 PM
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It's a good thing I bought some beer this afternoon, because today has not been a good day.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:14 PM
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Cork? Real men cork their wine with wax.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:15 PM
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347: not being a vineyard owner, I take what I'm given. [ incongruous insufferability ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:16 PM
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teo, we're all insecure and needy. Some of us have just had more years to practice camouflaging it. Give yourself a break.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:16 PM
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I was recently exposed to the idea (within a group of non-college educated, small-town, young women) that buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex. I'm holding onto hope that this idea is confined to these two specific women and I don't have to face a world where this is a general pattern of behavior.


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345: just that the cork dried out, or was made of cheap cork (there is/was a shortage) or you opened it badly or all of the above. This happens if it's stored upright. If it's off, you'll be able to tell.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:17 PM
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350: that would be a bad thing?

351: thank you. It tastes fine.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:18 PM
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Oh teo, you just say that because you haven't heard of my plan for you. The post-service spigot of Israeli women doesn't pass through the US for some reason, but they do like U.S. guys. If you stick yourself in Cuzco or Hyderabad or someplace I'm sure you'll do fine.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:19 PM
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Nobody calls me twee.

You know what I love? [Impotent faux-outrage].


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:20 PM
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350: Does the wine serve as an announcement ("Hey, let's do anal tonight!") or as payment? Shudder.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:20 PM
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buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex

Thank god Apo seems to be offline.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:21 PM
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354: I will burn Belle and Sebastian to the ground, motherfucker. [ another synonym for punchy trolling ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:21 PM
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Who drinks wine with a cork any more?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:22 PM
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The post-service spigot of Israeli women doesn't pass through the US for some reason, but they do like U.S. guys. If you stick yourself in Cuzco or Hyderabad or someplace I'm sure you'll do fine.

Or I could just go to Israel.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:22 PM
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358: well, geez, I took the cork out before drinking it. I'm not that uneducated.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:23 PM
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359: Birthright! You're still in the age range.


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:23 PM
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OT, but totally adorable. My cat just fell asleep curled up next to me, and her head went slowly, slowly down to the couch, just like a little kid trying to stay awake past her bedtime.

Speaking of which, it's well past mine. G'night.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:23 PM
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Or I could just go to Israel.

Not as likely to succeed there. The element backpacking is a big part of it.


Posted by: Michael Vanderwheel, B.A. | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:23 PM
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355: maybe popping the cork is evocative in a doubleyourdating sort of way.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:24 PM
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"Backpacking element."


Posted by: Michael Vanderwheel, B.A. | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:24 PM
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361: I'm a bit wary of Birthright, but I have been considering some sort of trip to Israel at some point.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:25 PM
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Why the wariness?


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:25 PM
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355: maybe it's like a really unwieldy hanky code.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:26 PM
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Not as likely to succeed there. The element backpacking is a big part of it.

Wouldn't I have to be backpacking as well to end up in these places? No thanks.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:26 PM
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Why the wariness?

A variety of reasons. My cousin went on it and came back an insanely rabid Zionist, for instance.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:27 PM
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369: No, don't worry: they call it `backpacking' because they never go anywhere you would actually need a backpack for.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:27 PM
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buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex

This is why I prefer to give out 30-racks of High Life.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:27 PM
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I'm not that uneducated.

You did go to a fancy high school, after all. [Insufficiently sarcastic wounded inadequacy.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:27 PM
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355: I heard about this secondhand from a friend, so I'm not sure. My uninformed understanding is that it's one of those highschoolish (they're in their early to mid-twenties) ideas that exists somewhere between an announcement and payment, like they feel the need to be coaxed into doing something they want to do independently.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:27 PM
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A little late, but...

teo, I've sent plenty of emails that I regret, some in the same vein as what you sent. Sure, they're embarrassing, but, in my experience, they don't cause long term (or even short term) damage. Friends understand.


Posted by: feldspar | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:28 PM
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What's with the square parentheses?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:28 PM
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376: ogged had another of his ideas.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:29 PM
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No, don't worry: they call it `backpacking' because they never go anywhere you would actually need a backpack for.

I know, but I still have no interest in the whole scenario. I'm enough of an Ugly American right here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:30 PM
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377: It's almost like Ash is back. I miss Ash.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:30 PM
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Friends understand.

I certainly hope so. I'm sure it'll turn out okay.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:31 PM
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373: I fact upon which I continue to coast. [ obliviously hurtful fratboy chumminess ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:31 PM
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377 was me. ash must have been before my time, I think.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:31 PM
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ash must have been before my time, I think.

He now goes by "max."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:33 PM
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382: He's Max now.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:33 PM
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obliviously hurtful fratboy chumminess

I read that as "obviously," which would have been right. [Too generous by half.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:33 PM
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Another lesson from this debacle: days off are a bad thing. Too much time to obsess over things.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:33 PM
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Don't back down now, ogged. Our role-playing is really getting at some important issues.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:34 PM
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383/384: I must have missed the `ash' phase only then.

386: that's why gawd invented bourbon, teo.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:35 PM
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gawd

Not you too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:35 PM
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And I'm almost done with my second beer. New Belgium: great microbrewery or greatest microbrewery?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:36 PM
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On the Teo thing: college aged people are generally really fucking crazy. If we turned on each other because of minor craziness none of us would have any friends.


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391 is very reassuring. Thanks, Gibbons.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:37 PM
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sorry, sorry: that's what ghod invented bourbon, teo.

nah, works better with the other accent. You have to stres the ou


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390: not greatest. Greatest is maybe a tie between Alpine, Bear Republic and Dogfish Head.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:37 PM
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college aged people are generally really fucking crazy.


Posted by: feldspar | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:38 PM
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I'm not sure why you read that as backing down, Sifu. [Testy.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:38 PM
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Greatest is maybe a tie between Alpine, Bear Republic and Dogfish Head.

Haven't had any of those, so greatest I've had.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:39 PM
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396: I think you must have misunderstood. Really -- honestly -- I'm proud of you right now. [ Denial ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:39 PM
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Really -- honestly -- I'm proud of you right now.

Thanks, bro. [Hopeful that silliness will replace hurtful barbs.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:41 PM
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397: don't underestimate unibroue, `fin du monde' or `maudite' sometimes are exactly what is needed. The former nearly wind the whole category for label alone.


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400: I've never even heard of those, so 397 stands.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:43 PM
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399: anytime, O-stamp! [ Disappointed retreat to fratty bonhomie ]


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Okay, I've got about six beers in me (3 of which were New Belgium 2Below, hooray!) and I'm heading to the bar. Out of respect to the original post, I'll let you all know if i wake up next to anyone much more or much less attractive than myself.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:44 PM
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anytime, O-stamp!

You're right, we really are working through some issues here. [Contentless pain, anger.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:46 PM
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New Belgium 2Below, hooray!

That's what I'm drinking too! Good luck at the bar.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:47 PM
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they call it `backpacking' because they never go anywhere you would actually need a backpack for.

That's bullshit. I packed my shit right, and because of that could pull a +3000-15000 hike. Still, even if I hadn't, dealing with random languages is not easy. Dealing with shit as a backpacker is not the simple luxury you present: it is an intentional bitch. A man in comfort has no standing to judge a backpacker, whatever his means.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:47 PM
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Oh, you know me too well. [ resigned, cheerful nihilism ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:48 PM
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Oh, you know me too well.

But we haven't even met, my peripatetic friend. [Hopeful that the admission will conceal what's admitted.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:50 PM
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400 is correct


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:50 PM
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A man in comfort has no standing to judge a backpacker, whatever his means.

WTF? Simple or not, backpacking's still a luxury.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:51 PM
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408: I hate that word. I have to google it every time. [ decreasingly ironic concern that any real revelation is likely to slip away ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:52 PM
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Fuck, it's almost midnight. I'm going to bed.

Night, all.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:55 PM
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406: A might touchy, I see.

I mean the `backpacking' phenomena quite distinct from the act of backcountry hiking (with all your gear in a backpack, natch) and also distinct to travel. As this distinct phenomena, it has as much to do with privileged youth slumming it on holiday with each other.

If the most uncomfortable traveling you've done is slinging a north face pack in the back of a wagon and walking a few miles to a youth hostel, you've no standing to judge `not the simple luxury'.

Sure, it's a stereotype, but there's a fair bit of truth to it. Sure, some `backpackers' get off the beaten track and poke around for them selves. Loads don't though.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:57 PM
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Crap, you've got me with the brackets in 408. As for peripatetic, I recommend Wordie. [Earnest safe words.]


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-12-07 11:57 PM
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Yeah I already looked it up. [ incompletely understood but ultimately self-satisfied sense of exploring blog media in a novel way ]


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:01 AM
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Yeah I already looked it up.

I meant that Wordie is good for collecting words like that. Here's my list.

Ok, can we declare the game over? I haven't laughed that hard in a while, and I don't think anyone else would have played with me. But you did get to call me "self-satisfied" three times, so I think it's a win for everyone.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:06 AM
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As this distinct phenomena, it has as much to do with privileged youth slumming it on holiday with each other.

Have I ever mentioned the guy who always sits across from me in seminar and, on the first day, smugly recounted his year off backpacking around South America and Europe? Who tries to out-earnest the Chilean revolutionary who always sits next to me? While wearing a giant red "STOP GLOBAL WARMING" wristband (made out of some kind of fabric, because plastic wristbands are bad for the environment, of course)?

Seems like it's time for bed.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:06 AM
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sounds like a peach, destroyer.

me for bed too.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:08 AM
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416: three times? Wow. That is embarrassing. Yeah, end that game, thanks.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:09 AM
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I only said "self-satisfied" twice! I call shenanigans!

Anyhow yeah that was pretty interesting. From a social cognition point of view, it short-circuited some of the things I take for granted about internet communication.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:11 AM
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I only said "self-satisfied" twice!

339, 345, 415.

From a social cognition point of view, it short-circuited some of the things I take for granted about internet communication.

What do you mean?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:12 AM
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417: You need to see Kicking & Screaming. I think you are in a seminar with Friedrich.

"Racism spans the globe, from Crown Heights to Howard Beach."

"What is that, from Crown Heights to Howard Beach? That's like saying 'Racism spans the globe, from the living room to the dining room.'"

Not the Will Ferrell movie.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:13 AM
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421.1 fuck. I always knew my vocabulary was only like 18 words, now it turns out two of them are hyphenated?

421.2 well, it's easy to assume a certain flattening of affect on the internet (my "everybody's always joking" philosophy), but when you have explicit access to what somebody is thinking (even in jest) you meant by what you said, it's surprisingly toght to keep things quite so light.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:15 AM
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toght, tough, toghughu.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:15 AM
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I've always filed Kicking & Screaming and Slacker in the same place; only seen the second, but enjoyed it very much.

Incidentally, Noah Baumbach's new movie looks terrible.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:17 AM
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Ok, yeah. I think it happened a little more quickly since we started with teasing, but we got bogged down pretty quickly in some too square kidding-on-the-square. There's a weird honesty effect that kicks in even though it's the other person saying what you really think.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:18 AM
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Now we're establishing "no hard feelings," by the way.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:18 AM
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Now we're establishing "no hard feelings," by the way.

Sheesh, I guess you don't know me after all if you think I'm going to have hard feelings about anything said on a (fuckin') blog. No, I think the fact that it actually got sort of directly at emotional realities was fascinating; that's what I meant by a "short-circuiting": If the other person can express any insight at all into what you were really thinking, then you feel in some ways, more compelled to approach their comment honestly than you otherwise would. It changes the nature of internet communication in some initially subtle, but seemingly fairly fundamental, ways. Very interesting.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:23 AM
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I definitely got the sense while doing it that there was more at stake than there is in an ordinary unfogged thread, when I can pretty much count on the idea that nobody will take me seriously.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:25 AM
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Would you two just get a room already?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:28 AM
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buying a girl a bottle of wine generally leads to anal sex

Wow. Roberta would be broken.

Thank god Apo seems to be offline.

It's a brave new world.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:29 AM
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Apo you gotta get your kids commenting post-haste.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:31 AM
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428:Since when do you say shit that can be criticized? The worst I can say about you is that you let your blog become a Patriots orgy, which is not a crime.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:31 AM
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Right. It keeps making the subtext explicit, and when there's no escape from the subtext, you realize how much one uses language to in oblique, layered ways. Keeping the subtext "sub" is pretty essential to graceful sociability, and making the subtext emotionally loaded but keeping it sub is pretty much the definition of charm, and when it keeps being made explicit, it's hard not to come across as an asshole.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:31 AM
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433: clearly you missed my New Orleans posts.

434: which, I think, is implicit in face-to-face contact -- you have to be pretty goddamn charming to evade all subtext -- but generally avoidable online.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:33 AM
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Since when do you say shit that can be criticized?

Kanye West says Sifu Tweety doesn't care about black people.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:34 AM
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428–429: Haven't read the thread, so I don't know what the hell's going on, but if ogged's threatening to sleep with your exes, you need to know that he does that with everyone. And, to no avail.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:34 AM
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I also think that one of the funniest things about funny banter on unfogged is how uncomfortably close to the truth people are able to venture. Once that is explicitly, and immediately, acknowledged, the whole venture garners much higer stakes.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:34 AM
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OH, your shit is interchangable. I'm sure Dave Eggers is impressed.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:35 AM
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437: dude if unfogged wants to sleep with my exes we'd better figure out a way to warn the poor bastard off.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:36 AM
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Once that is explicitly, and immediately, acknowledged, the whole venture garners much higer stakes.

And gets unfunny pretty quickly.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:36 AM
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441: it was still pretty damn funny.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:36 AM
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438 sounds like a threat to me.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:37 AM
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440 s/b ogged, or a threesome, I guess.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:37 AM
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it was still pretty damn funny.

I laughed the whole time, but that's because I knew you'd be cool. What do you think will happen if we do it blog-wide tomorrow?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:39 AM
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Disaster, obviously. Or people not getting it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:39 AM
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Yay! Another experiment! [talking for the sake of seeing name on screen]


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:40 AM
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My risk skills imply that I have a say in this matter.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:41 AM
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Actually, it would have been more accurate if I'd just let it stand for itself.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:41 AM
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That is to say, Siam.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:42 AM
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If I'm getting how the game is played, there seems to be a limiting factor in adding the "real meaning" in brackets. I could have added [goading], [wanting to join a conversation that seems otherwise exclusive], and [enjoying the company] and all would have been equally accurate.

Or maybe I'm playing it wrong.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:43 AM
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Or maybe I'm playing it wrong.

Yeah, the brackets are supposed to describe the state of mind that you attribute to the comment to which you're responding.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:45 AM
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I suspected that, but reading back over the love-fest, it didn't quite make sense. [patient correction.]


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452 is the key. If you're just describing your own state of mind, meh. But if you can peg what you're responding to, things escalate a bit.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:46 AM
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Following the rules is for chumps. [NSFW]


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:47 AM
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We started back at 323. Sometimes I had to read the brackets a couple of times before they made sense to me.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:48 AM
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453: it's a little complicated to follow. I accidentally guess at foolishmortal's mindstate, rather than ogged's, at one point.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:48 AM
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if you can peg what you're responding to

What's to keep someone from just lying?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:48 AM
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I accidentally guess at foolishmortal's mindstate, rather than ogged's, at one point.

Which one was that?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:49 AM
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Did this game come from somewhere?


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:50 AM
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At 317, I responded to Teo's 315, at 322 I made a joke of it in saying something to Sifu, and then at 323 it occurred to me that it might be interesting to try.


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459: 348.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:52 AM
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458: nothing, really, but keeping two parallel tracks of lying going simultaneously is tricky.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:54 AM
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459: 348.

Oh, ok, I got that one.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:54 AM
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Well, if I wake up and this is the way things are, I'll play.

If teo wakes up and wants to see the ocean, he can crash at my pad. But he should probably go to South America.

I'm going to go get my heart broken by the end of Wire Season 4.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:56 AM
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We're definitely not going to play.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:57 AM
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Heh.

No you totally should try it though!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 12:59 AM
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463: For you.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 1:00 AM
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Well, I'm home (the bar is right across the street). It was more an experience of being racially and culturally out of my element than anything else.

Mainstream hip hop is entertaining when drunk.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 1:03 AM
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South America, Europe, it doesn't really matter. I'm sure either would work just fine.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 1:05 AM
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469: that didn't last long. was it like a scene from a bad teensploitation movie? needle-being-pulled-from-record sound effect and all?


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 1:10 AM
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It would have been more interesting that way, but I seem to do okay at blending into a crowd despite being socially withdrawn.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 1:15 AM
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Weird, I was drinking 2 Below tonight too. Is this actually an interesting coincidence? Or would naming a random microbrew also find 3 unfogged readers drinking it on a monday night?


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 1:40 AM
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Re: 239.

Thule? Ultimate Thule Fog! Dat's Tule . IF memory serves me raht, Capn. TP set the beer runners in Central Valley, where Tule fog resides. Unfogged: where the fratboys (n grrls) even F. up the snark


Posted by: Lucky | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 7:14 AM
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The first couple sentences of 474 are correct, at any rate.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 7:32 AM
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My friend just wrote back. Turns out she's housesitting with limited internet access, and has apparently been sending me text messages that I haven't received. I really shouldn't worry so much.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 11:13 AM
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Nonetheless, you should go to South America. Take your friend.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 11:27 AM
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Too bad you'll be in Paraguay by the end of the week.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 11:32 AM
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I think the canonical place for horny sex-deprived men to go is Caracas. As immortalised in this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWzynoJIr-g


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 11:43 AM
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So late to the thread ...

390: I nearly went to the bottom of the page to post my indignation immediately, but didn't. I then got to read 405, which calmed me down quite a bit. 2 below is imo, the best beer from a poor brewery, and is overall decent. Randalls has a very poor selection, I was there for toilet paper, and saw 2 below and figured I would try it, despite not caring for the brewer generally, and was pleasantly surprised. I could drink Sierra Nevada pale ale day in and day out, though, myself. Its available quite cheaply in a couple places, Costco and Spec's (Is Spec's a Texas only phenomenon?).

394: I haven't had the first 2, but I don't really care for Dogfish Head much, either. Victory FTW. Have you tried the Hop Wallop? Yum. It's seasonal, comes out soon, January maybe.

Teo, I am glad to hear about the positive resolution about you not hearing from your friend. As others have said, I have done stuff like that out of insecurity, too.


Posted by: Pantene | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 1:47 PM
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I could drink Sierra Nevada pale ale day in and day out, though, myself. Its available quite cheaply in a couple places, Costco and Spec's (Is Spec's a Texas only phenomenon?).

I've never heard of Spec's. I've actually never had Sierra Nevada, but it's available lots of places here. This is obviously an area where tastes differ rather dramatically, but I've liked everything I've had from New Belgium, and 1554 might be my favorite beer ever.

It occurs to me that in this case, the "why aren't you responding to me?" message turned out to be a good idea. Without it I don't know how we would have figured out what was going on.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 2:17 PM
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an area where tastes differ rather dramatically

Yes, but you've got me: 1554 is my second favorite New Belgium beer. My opinion of the brewery is probably heavily dependent on my dislike of Fat Tire, coupled with its ubiquity.

The other problem is a friend of mine who often comes over for poker frequently brings a six pack of a random New Belgium beer, and then it's all in the fridge the next morning. Not that he didn't drink, mind you, but that he drank the Sierra Nevada pale ale I had in the fridge. Sierra Nevada pale ale is $20.99 for a case at Costco, so I typically get one of those before a poker game.

This has been such a regular occurrence I even obliquely mentioned to him last week, a few days before I was having a game, that I had bought the 2 below at Randalls the other day and it was pretty good. He then admitted that he usually picked up beer at Randalls because it is usually so quiet there, which he values enough to shop there despite their poor selection and high prices. I didn't actually say I disliked New Belgium beer, and then he brought a bottle of wine, and all was good.


Posted by: Pantene | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:01 PM
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My opinion of the brewery is probably heavily dependent on my dislike of Fat Tire, coupled with its ubiquity.

Yeah, I like Fat Tire and appreciate its ubiquity, which probably contributes to my positive impression of New Belgium overall. And your friend's behavior sounds like the sort pf thing that would get very irritating very fast.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:04 PM
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I should drink more Victory. Hop Devil was quite good. I can't stand Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, at least partly because I drank so goddamn much of it when I realized it was $5.99 a six pack in California.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:14 PM
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I used to drink mostly Anchor Steam. You know what else is a good beer, or was, back in the day? Sam Adams.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:22 PM
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You know what else is a good beer, or was, back in the day? Sam Adams.

The Budweiser of the microbreweries? Pass.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:25 PM
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I have become so insufferable of a beer snob that I really don't like either of those two anymore. I blame living in one of the great beer cities.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:26 PM
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Your beer snobbery has no effect on me, young jedi. Sam Adams is pretty yummy.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:26 PM
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Back in the day, Josh. If you're too young to remember Sam Adams back when it was brewed by the Founding Father himself, that's not ogged's fault.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:26 PM
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488: well, yeah, you barely drink beer anymore. Still, you should make those three count.

I totally forgot about Alesmith and Bear Republic: both make wicked tasty beers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:28 PM
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What exactly is wrong with Anchor Steam, Tweety?

I expect more Wrexham-bashing if you're defending the indefensible, ogged.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:32 PM
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What exactly is wrong with Sam Adams, Josh?

But seriously, I haven't had it in over ten years. I remember it being good.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:41 PM
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SHIN-ER! SHIN-ER! SHIN-ER!

(Pantene, Sierra Nevada's fine & all, but what kind of Texan are you?)

Also, Live Oak! Especially Big Bark! And Full Moon!

I had an excellent Sam Smith Taddy Porter the other day. (Yes, I mean Smith, not Adams.)

Thesis: teo needs to get around more.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:42 PM
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Sam Smith makes yummy beers. Their Oatmeal Stout is pretty much a meal.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:44 PM
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Thesis: teo needs to get around more.

Evidence?

Shiner is delicious. If there's one thing Texas is good for, it's beer.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:45 PM
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492: I haven't had it in over 10 years, either. My memory is that, while it was definitely a step up from the giant American brands, it was still one-note and not particularly strongly flavored. I like my beer with a bit more complexity than that.

493: I shoulda claimed my taste of the Porter when I brought you the second beer. Oh well. Whatever it was M/lls was drinking was pretty damn fine, too.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:47 PM
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I drink anchor steam and am happy to find out that I am not a beer snob.


Posted by: Lemmy Caution | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:47 PM
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Evidence?

You haven't tasted enough different beers.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:48 PM
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Josh, some of the Sam Adams seasonals are pretty good. I like the Oktoberfest.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:49 PM
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I have drank nothing but Milwaukee's Best for months, and you know what I am? Content.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:50 PM
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I have drank nothing but Milwaukee's Best for months, and you know what I am? Content A broke undergrad.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:52 PM
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You haven't tasted enough different beers.

I've tasted quite a few different beers, just not most of the particular ones mentioned in this thread.

I have drank nothing but Milwaukee's Best for months, and you know what I am?

A college freshman.


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499: Yeah, I haven't had anything other than the lager. Unfortunately, as I said at the meetup I can't drink much anymore, so I don't know that I'll get to sample the rest of their stuff anytime soon.

(I love beer, but if I'm going to be restricted in how much I can drink I'll choose whiskey over it ever time.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:54 PM
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P.S. Why the hell am I here playing the beer snob role, anyway? I fear M/M/ and I may have some boundary issues.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 3:55 PM
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493: Not a native Texan, and I don't care for Shiner bock. The Shiner amber that I have tried recently was ok, not great.

I didn't drink much Sierra Nevada in college, and can still enjoy it now. Live Oak is very good, Samuel Smith is very good (especially the organic ale), and Real Ale, brewer of Pale Moon, if we are talking about the same beer, makes several good beers. Anchor steam is ok, but Liberty Ale and their porter are better.

Reaching back to last weeks lurking discussion, I have been doing so since sometime last year, enough that I was actually interested in the Austin brunch, so as to meet (some of) the people behind the pseuds, but I had no hope whatsoever of attending. But a future Austin meetup, I might make.


Posted by: Pantene | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:02 PM
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Cool, Pantene. We'd love to meet you.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:05 PM
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there's been talk of an elsehwere in texas meetup, too, but none of it very serious.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:07 PM
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oh, Anchor Steam isn't terrible, it's just a little generic, and not as bold as I usually like. I'm also a total sucker for heavy duty hopping.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:08 PM
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508: You really should look into unibroue, if you haven't.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:09 PM
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I don't like the heavy duty hopping, which seems to be awfully popular among the sorts of people who drink microbrews. This makes trying a new microbrew somewhat risky.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:10 PM
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509 is correct, but why fuck around? Drink Chimay Bleu and be done with it.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:15 PM
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heavy duty hopping

Pretty much describes what beers I will love best. You must try the Victory Hop Wallop. It puts their Hop Devil to shame.


Posted by: Pantene | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:16 PM
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408: You must love Anchor Liberty Ale, then.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:18 PM
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Bad news for the hops-happy. (Not a new story, apparently, but I only heard it for the first time this morning.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:26 PM
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514: It's time, people! Recession special!


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:29 PM
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Proposal: During UnfoggeDCon weekend, we should spend some time at the Brickskeller, D.C.'s land of a thousand beers.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:29 PM
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Proposal: During UnfoggeDCon weekend, we should spend some time at the Brickskeller, D.C.'s land of a thousand beers.

I'm down.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:36 PM
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Another Austin resident here that would be interested in a meet up.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 4:39 PM
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Between Thanksgiving and Christmas, my job is moving, and my son and wife have birthdays. How does January sound for an Austin gathering?


Posted by: Pantene | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 6:49 PM
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I'll be out of town until January 12, but whenever after that is fine.


Posted by: Gibbons | Link to this comment | 11-13-07 9:42 PM
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Has anyone here tried any Surly beers? Fucking awesome.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:07 AM
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I know I was ragging on Sierra Nevada upthread, but I had a couple of these last night and they were goddamned delicious.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:10 AM
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Not a native Texan, and I don't care for Shiner bock.

SO BANNED.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:12 AM
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Jeez, almost no West Coast people here. Oregon has tons of beers. Henry's Ale and Widmer Hefewisen are my favorites.

The Portland meetup will be at Higgins, a comfortable place featuring about 20 Belgian beers, and so on.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:29 AM
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John I've been talking up West Coast beers all thread.

If you like wussy-ass lighter beers Lightning makes some real good stuff.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:32 AM
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The Brickskeller's oookaaay, but I prefer the Saloon. Better atmosphere, bottles and draughts, same quality if not the same selection. What else do you need after the Eggenberg Dunkel?


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:44 AM
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Someplace with draft beer would be preferable. Very strong bottled beers age well and all, but a fresh draft keg is the way of the lord.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:45 AM
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But, you know. I'm just BALBLBW.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:47 AM
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524: Washington and BC both have some great local beers.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 8:50 AM
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A mid-January Austin meet-up! Hooray!

Very late to the beer discussion, but I must say that I agree with Pantene regarding New Belgium. Which is a shame, since I'm a big fan of Belgian beers, and would love to have a U.S. version (or many) of Unibroue (which really does kick ass). I really do want New Belgium to be good, but they keep disappointing me with their profound mediocrity.

Victory is a great brewery, I like all of their products, and their Golden Monkey is one of the best U.S. Belgian-style beers I've had (Ommegang makes some good stuff too, but it's confusing trying to figure out whether it's made here or brewed under their direction in Belgium then imported).

Can't get it here in Austin, but Brooklyn Brewery is really good too; everything I've tried has been at the very least a supremely clean and competent example of the style, and many of them are downright excellent. I used to live just two blocks away from the brewery and went on their Tour and Tasting several times.

For local Texas breweries, I think Real Ale and Live Oak are both very good.

And Spec's started in Houston, I'm pretty sure, and is still confined only to Texas as far as I know. If you haven't already, Pantene, you should check out Grape Vine Market. They have a very wide selection, will try to hunt down anything you ask them about if they don't already carry it, and the very best thing is that you can buy single bottles of any of the beers they carry, facilitating finding beers you like without having to spring for a whole six-pack.

Lastly, Gibbons, if you don't mind revealing, what bar did you go to?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:02 AM
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Beer is good. I recommend any sampler from Weyerbacher. That is all.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:07 AM
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530: Ommegang is brewed in upstate NY. It is, indeed, quite fantastic.

I really don't like Brooklyn Brewery beers that much, I must admit.

Avery (California based) makes some good Belgian style beers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:09 AM
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530: Specs kicks almost all seven kinds of ass.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:11 AM
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Someplace with draft beer would be preferable. Very strong bottled beers age well and all, but a fresh draft keg is the way of the lord.

I was very happy to see this article because hopefully it means that cask-conditioned ales will be more readily available out here in the sticks soon. Austin's Ginger Man often has one available, and the Draughthouse sometimes has several, but it's not enough, dammit!

When I lived in Edinburgh there was this one pub that was nothing special really EXCEPT they usually had this cask-conditioned cider that was incredibly incredibly awesome. We usually felt bad ordering it because pumping several pints of it up from the cellar was a serious workout for the poor barmaid (it seemed like it took a dozen or two pulls on the tap per glass, maybe something was wrong with their system), but it was so frothy and tart and fresh and delicious that we couldn't help ourselves (and we tipped very generously).


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:13 AM
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Sam Smith is the world's most overpriced brewery, with Young's a close second. British beers are wildly overpriced for some reason.

The best American "Belgian-style" beer I've had is Stoudt's Triple. Stoudt's is a pretty mainstream microbrewery based near Reading, PA, but that beer really stands out, as does the Scarlet Lady ESB.


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:15 AM
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(it seemed like it took a dozen or two pulls on the tap per glass, maybe something was wrong with their system)

I feel like that's not atypical, and I've only seen casked beers where the cask was right there undeneath the tap.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:16 AM
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Ommegang is brewed in upstate NY. It is, indeed, quite fantastic.

I had a bottle of I think the Witte not too long ago, and was surprised that the label said it had been brewed for Ommegang in Belgium and then imported. But the labels of other styles indicate that they're brewed in New York. So like I said, confusing.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:31 AM
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Huh, that's odd. I've been to the Brewery, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't in Belgium. Maybe it's just that style, yeah.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:33 AM
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Capital Letters aRe fuN AnyWhere!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:33 AM
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BALBLBW

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Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:42 AM
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540: YMIBSALB, Sir Kraab.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:46 AM
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BALBLBW

Being a little bitch like Ben w-lfs-n.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:49 AM
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517: I'm down.

Aww, cheer up, teo. It's not such a bad bar.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 9:54 AM
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543: Actually, the canonical expression is "on the down low", and it doesn't mean "depressed", whitey.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 10:13 AM
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541: Oh yeah? Well RHKNITPCQLLG to you, Sifu!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 12:36 PM
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545: IHYUSKIRWTTIY


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 12:38 PM
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canical, Sir Kraab: YHBT HTH HAND


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 12:41 PM
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I win.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 12:44 PM
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Shiner sucks. If I go to a bar that only has Shiner and Bud, I'm drinking Bud.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-14-07 1:56 PM
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549: More for us then!


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