Re: Facials: A Moratorium

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I suggest a moratorium on the facial

Do you have evidence that we have a community of pornographers that lurk here?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:52 AM
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1. Dunks for the purpose of embarrassing an opposing player are still good, though, right?

2. I don't disagree particularly with your reading, but I'm suspicious of your ability to read for Universal Man and Universal Woman.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:53 AM
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And now I'm wondering whether this is the issue that spurred Ogged's rapid-fire dumping and undumping.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:54 AM
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Not buying the heteronormativity in this post.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:55 AM
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3, 4 tackle the same issues. "Ogged, honey, when did you start using Cetaphil?"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:56 AM
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3: Or whether this post suggests complicated revisions of ogged's notions of the various levels of intimacy vis a vis the exes versus the once-and-future-ex.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:57 AM
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And now I'm wondering whether this is the issue that spurred Ogged's rapid-fire dumping and undumping.

No. Jesus. It's hard to be a blogger.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:58 AM
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6: so "friendly" in context meant "up for the odd facial, but nothing else?"

Compelling theory.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 9:59 AM
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I dunno. I think a moratorium is the wrong way to go, because then everyone will just co-opt our refuseniking. I say, let's just privately disdain people who are into facials. We have to have someone to hate.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:01 AM
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I supported the moratorium on facials before it was cool.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:02 AM
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But they're so proteiny!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:02 AM
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And now I'm wondering whether this is the issue that spurred Ogged's rapid-fire dumping and undumping.

No. Jesus. It's hard to be a blogger.


C'mon apo, ogged isn't quite o naive as to post from direct experience like that -- he's going to tweak the details a little.

Clearly she refused him a `pearl necklace'.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:05 AM
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I say, let's just privately disdain people who are into facials.

Giving, receiving, both?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:05 AM
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13: Clearly both. You can never have enough disdain.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:06 AM
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Wow. That thread is from a different era of unfogged, ain't it?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:07 AM
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Whatever. Just a little of the "that old chestnut?" routine should be enough. I'd like to think that, come time, I'll have made cunnilingus a lot more exciting for everyone, and the facial deserves a fresh look a year from now.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:08 AM
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Let every facial land upon a bershon face, is what you're saying?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:11 AM
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16: nothing worse that being caught out as unfashionable in the sack...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:11 AM
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2.1: You know who supports banning those facials? Greg Paulus, that's who. And how.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:13 AM
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Before anyone asks, I do not want to engage in any male bonding over this topic.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:16 AM
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20: dude! Chest bump! Haha, fooled you!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:17 AM
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Say goodbye to the Teabag Club forever, Flippanter. What a shame, it's an awesome club.


Posted by: Auto-banned | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:17 AM
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I think ogged's point is it's fun to be counterculturally outré in bed, but no more fun when everyone's doing it. I can get behind that, IYKWIM. There are some 70's porn-flick moves that are still funny, but the depth of that well is shrinking each time it's drawn from.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:17 AM
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any male bonding

It's sticky, but it's not that sticky.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:20 AM
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23: Fair enough. It certainly undermines those acts whose main point is to be outré. Of course, pop culture seems to do a fair trade in mass-marketing `outré'.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:21 AM
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Moratoriums is it? Tariq Ramadan already mined that seam, I think.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:22 AM
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Of course, pop culture seems to do a fair trade in mass-marketing `outré'.

I know, and it's SO ANNOYING to those of us who keep having to find new ways to be unfashionable.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:23 AM
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By the way, if you call us "my peeps" again, I doubt I will be the only reader who makes a mental note to kick the shit out of you as soon as it can be made to look like an accident.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:24 AM
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23: For the same reason we do not participate in strip clubs and Mardi Gras? Thing is, I don't see what makes "moratorium" and not "ban". Is it just that a girl's (receiver's) desire for a facial might be otherwise motivated and therefore OK to indulge?


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:24 AM
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What about mock facials (fauxials) enacted with Cetaphil and tricks of the light?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:26 AM
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Curiously, I've very rarely encountered the facial, so while I've vaguely realized it was probably inspired by porn, I never particularly knew it was degrading. More a little silly, but lots of things that turn people on can be silly from one perspective or another. I didn't know it was a 'base' a guy was supposed to 'hit'.

Unfogged: your source for the news.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:27 AM
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I didn't know it was a 'base' a guy was supposed to 'hit'.

I never really understood that aspect of any of this, really.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:30 AM
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Looking at the recent comments sidebar, it occurred to me that, by title, this post reads like a counterpoint to the last.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:32 AM
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I've never actually received a facial. Pearl necklace when I was a teen, yes, but that was just sort of messy and I didn't know where to look. Even the college boy who did it was sort of like, "Well, I thought that would be funnier."


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:33 AM
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Ditto to 31 and 32. Base? wtf. Are we 12?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:33 AM
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God. If I'm really dying to know, I'll go look up pearl necklace.

I'm telling you people, you'll have a lot more fun in bed if you don't know what's done and not done, how many people are doing it, what the names for these things are and whether they're degrading, and so on. Yep.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:37 AM
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OT bleg: does anyone know how to get a Blogspot blog to display the "older posts/ newer posts" links? Assume that I'm dealing with an older blog that's been around since before Blogger rolled out the latest update. Also assume that the blog owner in question already knows why Wordpress/Movable Type/etc. are superior but is committed to/stuck with Blogger in the meantime and really can't switch right now.

If anyone wants to help me through email rather than disrupt the thread, my email is strasjones at gmail dot com.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:40 AM
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It's the best when people make up their own things to do in bed, of course. But not everyone has creative resources of that quality. I've only encountered it a few times, and it was neat, but people who are totally off-the-map sexually are way too rare to make it a requirement.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:41 AM
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Parsimon, you're being passive-aggressive. There's no reason to think that everyone else pays more attention to societal norms than you do.


Posted by: Auto-banned | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:43 AM
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Thing is, I don't see what makes "moratorium" and not "ban".

Overawed humility in the face of what we do not know, submission to a world driven by motivations we do not understand. To call for a moratorium rather than a ban is to accept a meta-facial from the universe.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:44 AM
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It's the best when people make up their own things to do in bed, of course.

Well yeah, much fun. But an awful lot of people aren't relaxed enough about sex to even try.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:44 AM
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39: Huh? I'm teasing.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:45 AM
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Ogged, I love you so much. I'd even let you come on my face. Now that you no longer want to.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:46 AM
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#22. Teabag Balzac owns that club, Auto-banned.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:48 AM
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Oh my fucking god. Look, this post was just a way to get people off of the prostitute post, wasn't it?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:51 AM
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Overawed humility in the face

No, see, that's deprecated.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:51 AM
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Look, this post was just a way to get people off of the prostitute post

So, ogged, how much do people charge for a facial?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:53 AM
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45 was my first reaction, too.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 10:59 AM
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47: You guys are just trying to make me find a clocktower.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:00 AM
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I'd even let you come on my face.

She'd even let you spell it "cum".


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:02 AM
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So, ogged, how much do people charge for a facial?

Per 19, if you get called for a charge, I don't think it can properly be called a facial.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:04 AM
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Just the sort of frank talk I need, first thing on a Monday. It's a good thing it's St Patrick's day and I'm drunk already.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:04 AM
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50: No, I have to draw the line somewhere.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:04 AM
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This post is the very definition of a cockblock.


Posted by: Zippy the Comment Frog | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:05 AM
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50: No, I have to draw the line somewhere.

That's what he said.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:05 AM
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this is like the "Is it OK to use tortoiseshell combs if they are antiques dating from before when the tortoise became an endangered species?" thread that they had on baldness.com.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:08 AM
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56: but with fewer cock jokes.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:09 AM
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Ogged's right, though. That sense of "okay, check, done that" is really kind of dull.

Prediction: the retro vanilla era is becoming hip again!!


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:11 AM
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57: but surprisingly, more cock jokes than the "What brand of jockstrap?" thread on dickless.com.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:12 AM
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Futher thoughts: It seems like the facial is one of many things that seem like a good idea until right after the man comes.


Posted by: Zippy the Comment Frog | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:17 AM
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re: 56

Heh. The same conversations really do take place on guitar sites. Where guys who want to exactly duplicate Django Reinhardt's tone try to track down old tortoiseshell to craft plectrums from.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:21 AM
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61: guitarists are strange about picks though.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:22 AM
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60 includes a lot ofthe facial is one of many things that , like most sexual encounters seems like a good idea until right after the man comes.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:22 AM
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...dammit. stupid St. Becksstyle Day


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:23 AM
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63 is funny, though. In a totally evil and sexist way.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:25 AM
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stupid St. Becksstyle Day

Oh, is this the St Patrick's Day thread?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:25 AM
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Prediction: the retro vanilla era is becoming hip again!!

Once facials fall, can A2M be far behind?


Posted by: Michael | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:25 AM
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Sadly, no. A2M is still completely heinous and disgusting.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:27 AM
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It's a good thing it's St Patrick's day and I'm drunk already.

What does the one have to do with the other?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:27 AM
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I am thinking of taking my philosophy book and going to the bar, in honor of the fact that the arguments are so bad that the dude musta been drunk when he wrote it, so why should I not follow suit?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:28 AM
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65: To cut against the sexism, I would throw "masturbating to porn" into that mix as well. "Oh, for the love of Christ. I was watching that?"


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:28 AM
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re: 62

Yeah, I am too.

http://www.hotclub.co.uk/shop/acatalog/Wegen_Picks.html


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:31 AM
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71: Yeah, I have that problem with porn too.

I wanna get drunk! But I have to pick PK up at 2:15! Hrm.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:33 AM
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Two hours drunk still leaves you two hours sober.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:35 AM
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I wanna get drunk! But I have to pick PK up at 2:15! Hrm.

You should be able to get drunk between now and then, if you just exerted yourself a bit.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:36 AM
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She'd even let you spell it "cum".

Deprecated.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:41 AM
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Take it to Standpipe's blog, Ben.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:43 AM
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lordy, if you people had met a representative cross-section of the Irish, you wouldn't be so fucking keen to celebrate their day.

Irish = Welsh + Diageo's marketing department.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:45 AM
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78: Irish = Scots?


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:47 AM
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re: 79

What?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:48 AM
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78: Irish = Scots?

No, Irish = Scots - Kilts + Political Independence.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:49 AM
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80: Ach, the rolling hills! The peat!

maybe I'm exposed to more Scotch advertising than beer advertising


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:50 AM
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+ lots and lots of Americans who can claim a smidgen of Irish ancestry.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:51 AM
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Irish = Scots - Kilts + Political Independence

+ Hang On, Maybe We Can Make Even Uglier Kilts.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:51 AM
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+ lots and lots of Americans who can claim a smidgen of Irish ancestry

... largely as a result of the assiduous marketing of the whole concept by Diageo (the drinks conglomerate formed by the merger of Guinness plc and Grand Metropolitan plc)


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:54 AM
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re: 81

Or (facetiously), Irish = Scots - "Enlightenment".


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:54 AM
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largely as a result

... of Ireland being a godawful place to live for approximately 150 years.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:55 AM
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Don't the Irish have a particular reputation for being gifted with language? While the Welsh still lack vowels?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:56 AM
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Don't the Irish have a particular reputation for being gifted with language?

Never!


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:58 AM
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I'll repeat my long-time-waitress / barmaid sister in law's joke: For people who enjoy watching people puke on themselves, St. Patrick's day is the most wonderful day of the year.

I made a drunken-Irish joke to a coworker born in Ireland, and she was not amused. Like 40% (+/-) of the Irish , she was a teetotaler. Something like that is true of Sweden too.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:58 AM
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...largely as a result of coming here and having lots of babies.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 11:59 AM
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yes, a reputation which girdles the world wherever branded nitrokeg stout is marketed.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:00 PM
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91: having babies make teetotalers? I would have thought the opposite, really.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:01 PM
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92: Don't forget the Guiness Irish Pub Concept


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:02 PM
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Wow, less than 90 comments to get from facials to Celtic in-group hostility. I'm impressed.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:04 PM
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Somehow I don't think the celebration of St. Patrick's Day in Boston can be traced to Guinness marketing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:05 PM
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The link in 84 is interesting. I was not aware of this movement in favour of kilts and other male unbifurcated garments (MUGs).


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:05 PM
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re: 95

It's not hostility. The Irish are cute and amusing little fellas.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:06 PM
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yes, a reputation which girdles the world wherever branded nitrokeg stout is marketed.

But the upshot for you is that people in the U.S. think you're Irish. So what's not to like?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:06 PM
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from facials to Celtic in-group hostility

On a continuum, man, a continuum.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:07 PM
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less than 90 comments to get from facials to Celtic in-group hostility.

Yeah, see I knew this was the St Patrick's Day thread. Ogged likes to keep things edgy.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:07 PM
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Minnesota is the least English, least Irish state in the U.S. Fact. 86.3% white, but not WASP.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:10 PM
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I hope you guys all remembered to dye your semen green for tonight's facials.


Posted by: Zippy the Comment Frog | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:10 PM
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On a continuum, man, a continuum.

A continuum of foam? You might want to have that checked.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:11 PM
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103: no, no, facials are deprecated. Just come in the green beer (non gender-specifically meant, of course)


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:11 PM
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Everyone can be Irish-American on St. Patrick's Day. Am I? No, but no one believes it on St. Patrick's Day, so what the hell.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:12 PM
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Many Irish people I know claim their main objection to the American habit of drinking green beer on Paddy night is the disrespect to the beer.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:16 PM
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St. Patrick's Day is when I celebrate my ancestors in Ireland, and the way they helped to keep down the Irish after having been imported there from England.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:16 PM
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Everyone can be Irish-American on St. Patrick's Day.

Oh, please. St. Patrick's day is the most annoying freaking non-holiday holiday.


Posted by: bitchphd, racist | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:17 PM
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108. You and Senator O'Bama, Sifu.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:17 PM
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Sorry, remember to dye your semen green for your titty-fuck tonight.


Posted by: Zippy the Comment Frog | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:17 PM
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107: What about dying the damn river in Chicago green?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:18 PM
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108: You celebrate St Patrick's Day on July 12?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:18 PM
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Many Irish people I know claim their main objection to the American habit of drinking green beer on Paddy night is the disrespect to the beer.

Fair enough, but a) it's mostly piss that gets food dye anyway and b) what do the Irish know about making beer?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:19 PM
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OT: but since the thread is already OT I will ask here. Does anyone know what area in Raleigh,NC to get a hotel so that there would be a decent number of restaurants and such in walking distance?


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:19 PM
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Come on Tweety, you know that it's Evacuation Day in Boston. Officially we're celebrating Washington's kicking out of the British in 1776.

I went to the parade yesterday. It was only the second time that I've been to South Boston. The cops were only enforcing liquor laws on people from outside the neighborhood. They harassed some people with closed bottles.

I sent you an e-mail about formal wear.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:20 PM
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Many Irish people I know claim their main objection to the American habit of drinking green beer on Paddy night is the disrespect to the beer.

You know, Irish people talk a lot of shite about Irish-Americans, but are happy to take their money, hospitality, sexual favors, etc.

Oh, please. St. Patrick's day is the most annoying freaking non-holiday holiday.

On the other hand it's not hard to see why people hate Americans.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:20 PM
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So my wingnut sister is still stridently denying that she's a feminist, but annoyed as hell at this guy who is trying to date her because he believes she is intelligent and seems to think her intelligence is a trophy. He wants an educated wife who will fawn all over him when he uses big words like 'irreducible complexity', but won't actually use her intelligence to talk to him or his buddies, just to pour the beer.

Wingnut sister is having none of that shit and is not only avoiding him, but doing hysterically funny impressions of his pompous academic mannerisms.

I share this because it is her birthday today, and therefore she is always asked if she is Irish. Which makes it almost relevant, in addition to being funny.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:20 PM
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My family dyes the beer orange and marches boisterously through the Catholic neighborhoods. Fearful of the kin of Elizabeth Emerson and Hannah Dunston, they wisely stay indoors.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:21 PM
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B hates the Irish almost as much as she hates Canada.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:21 PM
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118: something about reaping and sowing, there.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:22 PM
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On the other hand it's not hard to see why people hate Americans.

Ha. Because Americans are irritated by deracinating a legitimately culturally specific minor holiday by turning it into commercialized pablum?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:22 PM
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St. Patrick's day is the most annoying freaking non-holiday holiday.

I grant you that it has nothing to do with being authentically Irish or the Feast of St. Patrick. But. It's a holiday about beer! And you don't have to be Irish to have some! What's not to like?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:23 PM
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121: Something, but it's so funny to watch the wingnuttery slowly crack. I give it two or three more years.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:24 PM
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I don't have a problem with the Irish, or even Irish-Americans. I have a problem with leprechauns, "kiss me, I'm Irish!" buttons, green rivers, and paper shamrocks.

In short, Mary Catherine, don't worry: Canada is and always will be a special and uniquely hated little flower.


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Wasn't one of St. Patrick's specialties ministering to Irish slave girls being sexually abused in British captivity? Let's have another gender thread!


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Because Americans are irritated by deracinating a legitimately culturally specific minor holiday by turning it into commercialized pablum?

Hi everyone, today we have a guest lecture from someone in Southern Califorina who will speak to us on the evils of turning stuff into deracinated commercialized pablum.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:26 PM
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123: I don't mind the idea of the drinking. It's the gimmickry that skeeves me.

124: You're such a good sister for being amused. My sister and I used to get in screaming fights about our disagreements.


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Wasn't one of St. Patrick's specialties ministering to Irish slave girls being sexually abused in British captivity?

No that's Slave Girls of beGorrah.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:27 PM
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We get in screaming fights, too, but it's her birthday and I'm just glad she's not dating this loser and is instead making fun of him over the phone.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:29 PM
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Sisterwise, after 2 yrs. 6 mos. living with my sister she's starting to get on my nerves some. I earlier credited our happy, frictionless cohabitation to the lack of sexual tension, but maybe 2.5 years is the natural lifespan of any relationship.

When she started to remodel the issues started to multiply. Serious, major remodelling, as characteristic of lady homeowners everywhere.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:29 PM
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I was always quite neutral about the Irish (apart from the ones who kept trying to blow us up, but actually, if we could have them, back please, that'd be great, as long as the stoic attitude came back too, rather than the current encouragements of "if you see someone taking pictures strangely, report them" which are really pissing me off), but in the last year I have come to hate one particular Irish woman, and now my automatic reaction is to hate anyone with an Irish accent.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:29 PM
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Not to question her moral authority to speak to the issue of culturally deracinated commercialized pablum, but I'd like to remind everyone that B once confessed to being a fan of Enya.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:30 PM
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129: Apparently there's a Gorean cult on the internet. One member actually posted something sort of interesting.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:31 PM
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today we have a guest lecture from someone in Southern Califorina who will speak to us on the evils of turning stuff into deracinated commercialized pablum.

And who better?

133 is true, but I am ashamed of it. Surely that must count for something.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:32 PM
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Oh fuck, all the pubs are going to be full of annoying students pretending to be Irish.

(Excessively provocative remark concerning current whereabouts of various army units withdrawn in sudden flash of responsibility and restraint.)


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:32 PM
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Jesus, y'all. Admittedly, my only contact with Irish people has been a dozen or so really smart and interesting non-traditional college students who are REALLY INTO YEATS, but hating on the Irish is sooo oldschool.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:32 PM
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apart from the ones who kept trying to blow us up, but actually, if we could have them, back please, that'd be great, as long as the stoic attitude came back too, rather than the current encouragements of "if you see someone taking pictures strangely, report them" which are really pissing me off

Hear, hear.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:33 PM
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REALLY INTO YEATS

Ever read any of Yeats's mystical secret society correspondence? Truly hilarious. "Last night we were inducted into the seventh orb of the terrarium of knowingness" etc.



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138 - Hey OFE, you could have fixed my comma!

I've been enjoying all the spoof ads though - am wondering where I could stick some up ...


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:37 PM
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Oh fuck, all the pubs are going to be full of annoying students pretending to be Irish.

See?? This is what I'm talking about.


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137: Wait for it, it'll come round. Soon Americans will be hating on the Irish because their economy is in much better shape.


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I'm into Flann O'Brien, Beckett, and Joyce in that order. Yeats, maybe. This is a whole different thing than St. Patrick's Day.

I count Joyce as an Austro-Hungarian From The Holy Roman Empire, though, because of his time in Trieste.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:39 PM
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137 - it's this woman's fault. Honestly, you'd hate her too.


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133 is true, but I am ashamed of it. Surely that must count for something.

Of course. There's not much point in being Catholic if the shame doesn't count.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:40 PM
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See?? This is what I'm talking about.

As opposed to the pubs being just full of annoying students?

At the coffee shop this morning the woman behind the register gave me a hard time for not wearing any green. I told her I was Irish, but she didn't believe me.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:41 PM
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Apparently there's a Gorean cult on the internet.

Best place for it.


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Soon Americans will be hating on the Irish because their economy is in much better shape.

I've been doing that for at least two years now. The idea that until recently it was a place people couldn't wait to escape from sounds bizarre.

Until you remind me, "oh, Catholicism, yeah".


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129: Apparently there's a Gorean cult on the internet. One member actually posted something sort of interesting.


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Oh fuck, all the pubs are going to be full of annoying students pretending to be Irish.

As against full of annoying students doing the annoying things they do the rest of the year. At least it's a change of pace.


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149: I had something really funny to say about that.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:42 PM
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Christ, if St Patrick's Day were a person I would punch that person in the face.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:43 PM
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Soon Americans will be hating on the Irish because their economy is in much better shape.

Heh, the UK and especially Northern Ireland Unionists got to this point a while back. The idea that per capita GDP was higher in Ireland than in Britain was quite hard for some people to comprehend.


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144. You're surely generalising a bit fast there - I mean most of the people I hate are English, because most of the people I know are, but I don't for that reason condemn the entire nation.


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the woman behind the register gave me a hard time for not wearing any green. I told her I was Irish, but she didn't believe me.

See? See?

(I sent PK to school entirely in green today. He tried to convince me that since it's "a holiday" he shouldn't have school.)


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115: Does anyone know what area in Raleigh,NC to get a hotel so that there would be a decent number of restaurants and such in walking distance?

CJB, I've been trying to think up an answer for you, but apparently Raleigh doesn't even rate a visit from Obama (he's going to Charlotte and Fayetteville instead). Can you be more specific on where you'll be (near the airport, downtown, etc)? Also, you said a "decent number of restaurants," not "a number of decent restaurants." I'm sure we have the former, the latter is debatable.


Posted by: wrenae | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:45 PM
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Labs understands me.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:47 PM
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No one has responded to my bleg :(


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:47 PM
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152: That's a different kind of Irish tradition.


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Years ago a friend had a bright green shirt made up for St. P's day; with sparkly cloverleafs all over it and big block letters that said `Fuck Ireland'. Nobody could quite figure out what to make of it, I think.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:48 PM
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In the future, will some other ethnic group have a holiday as deracinated and commercialized as St. Patrick's day?

This morning on the local NPR station, the host announced that "Everyone is an honorary Irishman on St. Patrick's Day!" Molly and I were wondering if any other ethnic group would ever fit that slogan.

Everyone's an honorary Jew on Rosh Hashanah!
Everyone's an honorary Negro for Black History month!


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:48 PM
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161: Christmas Day. Halloween. Easter.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:50 PM
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In the future, will some other ethnic group have a holiday as deracinated and commercialized as St. Patrick's day?

Yeah, it happens in just under four months.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:50 PM
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Everybody's an honorary immigrant for the duration of the recession.


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161: Cinco de Mayo, maybe. I could see it being that in a couple decades. But your hair is so dark, you must be Latina!


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Can you be more specific on where you'll be (near the airport, downtown, etc)? Also, you said a "decent number of restaurants," not "a number of decent restaurants." I'm sure we have the former, the latter is debatable.

I am going to be in the NCSU area. There don't seem to be any hotels in easy walking distance of where I need to be all week so I will have to have a car anyway. If I am already going to have to drive during the day I would like to get a hotel in a little more pedestrian area so I don't have to drive much at night.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:58 PM
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Everyone's an honorary Jew on Rosh Hashanah!

Oh, yeah, give us Rosh Hashanah and not Hanukkah. That's fair. Can we get Yom Kippur, too?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 12:59 PM
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154 - yeah, I know. I don't hate the Irish, honestly. It's just that if I hear an Irish accent, my train of thought goes "Irish ..... [hated woman] .... kill! kill! kill!"

I *heard* that the Irish were really into facials though, the bastards.


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I *heard* that the Irish were really into facials though, the bastards.

I heard the Irish invented facials.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:03 PM
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I swear to you that if the rumour got about that the Andorrans were culturally associated with Miller Genuine Draft, we would all be whooping it up every September for St Meritxell's Day once the SABMiller Holdings Limited marketing boys had got on the case.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:05 PM
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I count Joyce as an Austro-Hungarian From The Holy Roman Empire, though, because of his time in Trieste.

... and the thread comes together with some Irish butt-sex in Trieste.


Posted by: SEK | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:05 PM
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you only get one day, SCMT, don't be greedy.


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In the future, will some other ethnic group have a holiday as deracinated and commercialized as St. Patrick's day?

Cinco de Mayo's getting there.


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173 is so totally pwned. That'll teach me to answer the phone.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:11 PM
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The Irish only invented facials if you count receiving a facial from a horse.


Posted by: Zippy the Comment Frog | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:11 PM
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Cinco de Mayo is still fun though, so there is that.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:14 PM
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The Irish only invented facials if you count receiving a facial from a horse.

This is the Bear Stearns of quips. Looks good, looks good, looks go--WTF?


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:15 PM
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There aren't any horses in Ireland. They were all chased into the sea by a Saint in the 1300s.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:15 PM
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But it's about oppressed people, so it's okay to celebrate.


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The Irish only invented facials if you count receiving a facial from a horse.

Actually, I believe that in the traditional facial, the standing party is suppose to shout, "If it not be me, twill be my sons, Englishman!" as he ejaculates. That practice has fallen away over time, obviously.


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166: Near NCSU? The Velvet Cloak Inn on Hillsborough Street always gets good reviews. You can walk to downtown from there as well, where there are lots of good restaurants to choose from. You might also try the Oakwood Inn B&B (downtown) or the Woodburn Cottage B&B (nearer to State) or the Cameron Park Inn for smaller places. DO NOT go to the Clarion or the Days Inn downtown. The Sheraton is nice, could walk to several downtown restaurants and clubs from there, but I don't know how expensive it is. I'll try to think up some more--I work in downtown Raleigh, but I don't stay overnight (usually).


Posted by: wrenae | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:17 PM
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167, 172: What you really want is Purim. Hamentashen for everyone!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:18 PM
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Weren't the Irish beastly to the Picts?


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182: I think I'm fine as long as we don't get Yom Kippur, though we'll certainly take Purim.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:22 PM
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I thought that most people knew about the ancient Irish tradition of bestiality. In fact, I'm surprised Emerson hasn't brought it up. (They appear to have put aside bestiality shortly before they started "saving civilization.")


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Everyone was beastly to the picts.

Zippy was clearly traumatized by a horse.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:26 PM
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170: Polite applause for attempting what must be the only St. Meritxell's Day joke on the entire internets.


Posted by: Ubu Imperator | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:26 PM
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Cinco de Mayo is still fun though, so there is that.

I hate Cinco de Mayo, too. Everyone thinks it's effing Mexican Independence day, which pisses me off. (Mexican Independence day is Sept 16th.)


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Based on reading many fantasy novels in my youth, I can comfidently say that Picts weren't really human, so I can't fault the Irish for that.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:32 PM
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More evidence of their bestiality!


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I hate seeing commoners having a good time generally. Sumptuary laws and harsh restrictions on festivals all around. No tiaras or pearl necklaces.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:36 PM
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I don't think it's sumptuary laws that stop commoners from wearing tiaras.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:48 PM
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Alameida has a tiara, but she's old money so it's cool.


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I don't think it's sumptuary laws that stop commoners from wearing tiaras.

I think you should interpret Ogged's request broadly, and not ejaculate on her hair, either.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 1:53 PM
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Pearl Toe Rings are still okay, today at least.


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Near NCSU? The Velvet Cloak Inn on Hillsborough Street always gets good reviews. You can walk to downtown from there as well, where there are lots of good restaurants to choose from.

Thanks that gives me a general are to work with and some suggestions which is all I was hoping for since I have no idea what the different parts of the city are like.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 2:40 PM
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sparkly cloverleafs all over it and big block letters that said `Fuck Ireland'.

That sounds like a genuinely Irish sentiment if ever I've heard one.

Facials: never done 'em, and now there's this moratorium.

But of course, the moratorium would only make facials transgressive & hence sexy.


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Pearl Toe Rings are still okay, today at least.

Yeah, and that's something you can give yourself!


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Well of course it's silly to go out drinking or to the parades on St. Patrick's Day, but that's got to be mostly because I've become prudish in my old age. But it makes me happy to see young African-Americans and Asian-Americans cavorting in green. Irishness? bah. It's a public festival, and hooray for it.


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Facials are one of those urban myths, aren't they?

Or, do they happen, but nobody admits it?


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192: The sumptuary laws in their majesty forbid rich and poor alike to flash their diamonds.


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Or, do they happen, but nobody admits it?

I'm pretty sure there's nobody here who's done facials but is too shy to admit it.


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Irish people are one of those urban myths. Five guys with green plastic bowler hats just went by.


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Re: 203, Wilde, "The Decay of Lying":

Now, do you really imagine that the Japanese people, as they are presented to us in art, have any existence? If you do, you have never understood Japanese art at all. The Japanese people are the deliberate selfconscious creation of certain individual artists. If you set a picture by Hokusai, or Hokkei, or any of the great native painters, beside a real Japanese gentleman or lady, you will see that there is not the slightest resemblance between them. The actual people who live in Japan are not unlike the general run of English people; that is to say, they are extremely commonplace, and have nothing curious or extraordinary about them. In fact the whole of Japan is a pure invention. There is no such country, there are no such people. One of our most charming painters went recently to the Land of the Chrysanthemum in the foolish hope of seeing the Japanese. All he saw, all he had the chance of painting, were a few lanterns and some fans. He was quite unable to discover the inhabitants, as his delightful exhibition at Messrs. Dowdeswell's Gallery showed only too well. He did not know that the Japanese people are, as I have said, simply a mode of style, an exquisite fancy of art.

Wilde, as an Irishman, surely would have been even more skeptical of the existence of the Irish.


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203: I and a friend just had an older construction foreman offer to buy us car bombs, and then when we declined, offered to buy us Bud Light. Public holidays rock.


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I and a friend just had an older construction foreman offer to buy us car bombs

Delightful. I must remember to settle down with a couple of Twin Towers and a bottle of Lynching Lemonade.


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Yeah, well. Give it a few years and I'm sure you'll be able to order one.


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Facials are one of those urban myths, aren't they?

They happen, apparently, but they're not commonplace IME. I once had a request for one, which I declined.


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207 to 208?


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Okay, Bostonians, I have my trip booked. We still doing brunch on the 30th?
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Just so we're clear on the rules here, what if you are intending a "pearl necklace" or lower, but it accidentally gets on her face?


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I think "facial" was a synecdoche, and meant to stand in for all intentional spillages.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:02 PM
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Real conversation this afternoon:

Neighbor: You're not wearing any green!
slolernr: I'm not Irish.
Neighbor: You don't have to be Irish.
slolernr: I don't have to wear green, either.

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meant to stand in for all intentional spillages

No, I meant the face, but no one is buying this "it was an accident" business, either.


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214: By what reasoning is a facial objectionable but a pearl necklace not? Or do Lurs actually cum pearls?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:08 PM
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What about coming on her chest, or on her stomach? Those are time-honored traditions among my people!


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Don't think you aren't banned for the verb choice in 215, Tim.


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Zippy, some tradtions are best honoured in the breach, as it were.


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217: Yeah, believe it or not, I actually felt a little dirty about that after I hit "Submit."


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Zippy, do not aim for the breech unless you've previously cleared it with her.


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"Is" is bannable? I see no verb other than that in 215.


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They happen, apparently, but they're not commonplace IME.

Ogged's premise is falling apart. If not commonplace, still edgy!


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... and I don't even see "that".


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222: I've had a few requests. Can't be that unusual.


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224: Which gender are you?


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222: And white people like edgy degradation.


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Minnesota is the least English, least Irish state in the U.S. Fact. 86.3% white, but not WASP.

Emerson, are your local Irish WASPs? That could be the source of your confusion. They aren't all Yeats.


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Okay, Bostonians, I have my trip booked. We still doing brunch on the 30th?

Yes, but Blume will have to tell us where.


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Edgy degradation.

(also Kobe!)


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By what reasoning is a facial objectionable but a pearl necklace not?

I realize that a woman is an undifferentiated mass of flesh to you, but people are much more sensitive about getting something on their face, and less sensitive about their torso.


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230: Facist!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 5:28 PM
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215 really does sound like it was written by a cyborg trying to update its protocols.


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230: That's true. I'll thank you all for adding to my education this afternoon -- I did not know these terms were so closely defined! Yes, I cleared the browser history from the work computer before I left.


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233: One more reason to appreciate your ZZ Top CD collection. (They're like Nabakov that way, always another layer of meaning.)


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231: 230: Facist!

Shouldn't that be "Facialist!"? And do we want to tell Jonah?

212: I think "facial" was a synecdoche, and meant to stand in for all intentional spillages.

Too bad the Exxon lawyers didn't have that reasoning available to them when the argued before the Supreme Court. "Your honors, those gulls were asking for it!"


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234: I was never much into ZZ Top, though I've heard that song. Yeah, huh? Man, if I keep going this way, I'll be narrowing my eyes with suspicion left and right: "What do you mean by that? Does that mean something?" Terrifying!


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236: When correctly viewed, Everything is lewd
- Tom Lehrer

(See also, this blog the Internet)


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"What do you mean, you've always had a soft spot for flufffer-nutters?"


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:27 PM
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"Moratorium" is kind of a pretentious word, though necessary.

I keep forgetting what it means. And interpreting the title of this post as "Facials: An Encomium". Or possibly "Facials: A Colloquium". Or something in between, but with a pro- rather than anti-facial attitude.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 6:29 PM
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213: Slol, you surly neighbor, you.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:37 PM
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Does anyone not actually being filmed ever do a facial? A major point of having sex is that you get to come someplace warm and wet instead of jacking off. Facials are like giving up sexual pleasure in order to make some tendentious point.

I guess it might happen spontaneously sometimes if the blower doesn't want to swallow.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:47 PM
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you get to come someplace warm and wet

Like the steamroom at the gym.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-17-08 8:58 PM
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As I alluded to previously, my surname begins with the letter O and an apostrophe and is followed by a fairly Irish string of letters. I am pleased to report that for the first year in memory (and this is my 28th!), no one came up to me this St. Patrick's Day (32 min left, natch) and said "You're not wearing greeeeen! But you're Iiiiirish!" (And I'm not even that Irish. Less than or equal to a quarter, IIRC. I'm just a European mutt who claims no ethnicity other than Minnesotan.)

I'll note further that there are ~20 people in the café right now, and not one of them is wearing the green. I'm very pleased with my little corner of the city for not giving a fuck, and thus cast my lot with B and the haters.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 12:32 AM
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My surname begins with the letter O and an apostrophe and is followed by a fairly Irish string of letters too. I am glad I didn't wear green because the guy in the office next to me who is actually from Ireland makes a point not to.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 2:08 AM
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I'm as dubious about St. Patrick's Day as the next proddy bastard, and when I saw the MPLS St. Patrick's Day parade going by yesterday, I couldn't face it and had to huddle in the dismal Target cafeteria until it was over. But then as I was leaving I saw several of the revelers, who were about as far down on the socio-economic/sexual desirability/basic functionality ladder as you can get without the hope of government intervention. And they were really into it. And I thought to myself "Yeah, if your life really were that dismal, instead of the kind of dismal it actually is, maybe a shitty parade for a boring, deracinated holiday every couple of months would be just the ticket to cheer you up a bit." I dunno, I'm not usually that condescending, but folx really seemed to be enjoying themselves. There is no carnival in the US that can aspire to Bakhtin's "carnivalesque", but we might as well go through the motions occasionally.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 03-18-08 5:23 AM
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Emerson's right. Growing up in Minnesota I only knew people who were of (give or take) Swedish, Norwegian, or Germanic descent, but there are always those who were more S than N or G, more N than ... you get the idea. (I'm more S than N, no G.) There were probably some others, but not many.

Here in Chicago there are lots of Poles. And some Irish, I guess. There are too many kinds of white people, I'd say.


Posted by: Currence | Link to this comment | 03-19-08 7:21 AM
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Oh yeah, some Danes and Finns too, forgot about that.


Posted by: Currence | Link to this comment | 03-19-08 7:24 AM
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