Re: Hard Times

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Where is the second video set? I didn't hear a dateline.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:13 PM
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Los Angeles, March 13. Original here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:17 PM
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(Also, the first one is hilarious.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:17 PM
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Not Los Angeles, but Ontario, which is an exurb close to the San Bernardino County line. The city of Ontario welcomed any and all to the camp; when it filled up beyond their expectations, they restricted it to those who can prove recent Ontario residency. The city's been trying to figure out how to do the right thing -- they even asked the ACLU to advise them on humane and legal policing of the camp.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:21 PM
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Thanks. It's all L.A. to the Brits.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:24 PM
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Speaking of the Brits, is American media covering this story? I haven't seen anything, but I have virtually no exposure to TV news and could easily have missed it.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:26 PM
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And they get irritated when I say it's the greatest city in the world, and that in no other metropolis on this earth could I have lived my particular life of sun-baked post-predatory-loan indigence. What are you gonna put up, Sheff fucking field?


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:27 PM
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6: Local is. Don't know about national.
Link.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:31 PM
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Link.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:31 PM
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I just saw the two worst movies ever at a family event where I ended up taking care of my beloved grandnephew. F/X2 and Pirates of the Caribbean.

F/X2 was a Dodie Fayed production (died with Di, nephew of Adnan Kashoggi). What's PotC's excuse?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:39 PM
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the first vid reminded me this
a bit racist joke (told by the local tourist guide)
so there were three people lost in the middle of the Gobi desert, an American and French tourists and their guide, a Mongolian
they were lucky to find a lamp with a genie and the genie asked what would be their wishes
the American said a million dollars and NYC and disappeared instantly
the French said a beautiful woman and Paris and also disappeared
the Mongol did not ask anything, but when the genie insisted that he will serve him too, said
well, give me then a bottle of vodka and bring back those two


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:43 PM
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Just wait until you get to Pirates 3, Emerson. That one opens with a monkey shooting a gun and it took so long to end that I literally napped in the theater.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:43 PM
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Di Dies, Dodie Dead.

A refinement of my favorite imaginary newspaper headline ever.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:51 PM
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13: I'm wounded, John.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:54 PM
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Stay away from all Dodis, Di.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:55 PM
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That BBC story was weird. America -- and especially nice-weather California -- always has a lot of homelessness and hard luck stories. I don't know about a direct connection with the mortgage crisis. People who are being foreclosed because of mortgage resets should end up renting. If you could make the starting mortgage payments on a subprime, before the interest rates reset, you can probably afford to pay rent somewhere.

On the other hand, the declining economy probably will lead to increases in homelessness. Stand by for jobs numbers on Friday.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 5:55 PM
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PGD I think you're ignoring that, first of all, a lot of people got in really serious financial trouble before getting foreclosed, second that there's not exactly a huge stock of affordable rental housing in the LA area, third that -- given the mortgage products we're talking about -- owning here might well have been the most affordable option somebody had, fourth that employment in that area has been suffering too, since a lot of it was driven by homebuilding, and fifth that gas prices mean that commuting into LA from that far east now is a several hundred dollars a month proposition, most likely.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:01 PM
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14: 13: I'm wounded, John.

Mortally or just venially?

(If the former it might be "Di to die todie" in some parts of the English-speaking world.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:04 PM
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I was trying to figure out how a Three Stooges parody could possibly be done. Basically you'd have three dumb guys hitting each other with mallets, but how would you push it over the top and make it a parody?


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:14 PM
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19: and then they go home and they're smart and ashamed of their jobs and burnt out by the low physical comedy and commit suicide hee!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:15 PM
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20: Someone call Disney.


Posted by: pdf23ds | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:20 PM
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Nice gratuitous shots of the flag in the second video.

We should make the predatory lenders live in tents.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:25 PM
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Hey Tweety, I'm at Deep Ellum. You guys gonna stand me up? (BG, I don't have your number, so if you see this head on over.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:28 PM
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Somehow I think that my Three Stooges Parody puzzle should have the importance of the Liars Paradox in some discourse or another, but analytic philosophy has screwed up philosophy almost irremediably.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:31 PM
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I tuned into a baseball game because I knew Bush would throw out the first ball. I couldn't think of anytime in years he'd not been in a controlled environment, so I was curious. He was booed loudly. It clearly it made him very uncomfortable. Schedenfreude.

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Posted by: asl | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:33 PM
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Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:35 PM
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23: wait, what, now? Uh oh.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:53 PM
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I guess you got a little heavier into the daytime Scotch than I thought...


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:56 PM
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We're on our way, Josh! Don't you worry your pretty little head.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:57 PM
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Here is the booing on YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHUAsTrl4JI

I imagine it will be yanked pretty soon.

The bastard actually made a pretty good pitch.... it was high, but right down the middle.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:58 PM
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Come summer, the waather isn't going to be so nice out in that camp. Ontario's pretty far inland, and hotter than hell in the summer.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 6:59 PM
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waather? shit


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:01 PM
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30: that was really heartwarming.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:05 PM
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There's a clip of the game in 25 on thinkprogress. Good audio, lots of audible booing.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/30/bush-booed-nationals/


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:06 PM
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For fuck's sakes. I missed 30.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:07 PM
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The scowl on his way to the mound was nice.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:09 PM
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the first video was fabulous.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:13 PM
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I think it was Mark Halperin when he was at ABC news who
said that when the media trend against incumbents, they
trot out hobo videos and food bank stories.

If you like the coming bonanza for squatters meme, advise
the homeless to volunteer to house-sit for default servicing repo companies.


Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:16 PM
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The ball-throwing-president video was lovely. Ahh...


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 7:38 PM
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The baseball footage is pretty shocking, really. The "respect the office" mentality is pretty damn strong.

Maybe they were saying "Buuuuuuuuuuuush!"


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:01 PM
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Maybe they were saying "Buuuuuuuuuuuush!"

Hivemindmeld! I made the joke to my roommates that after he got back to the dugout, his advisers would convince that everything was just fine and the crowd was yelling that exact thing.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:05 PM
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^him


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:05 PM
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Like Booooooooog Powell, whitest man in America (actually he's tied with Harmon Killebrew).

Don't worry he heard and understood, and now he'll probably have his new bootlicker Mukasey declare martial law or something to compensate. So, like, good work baseball crowd.

His precedent in fiction really is Anthony Fremont.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:15 PM
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In the video, Bush seems to be in a hurry to get it over with. Slows but does not stop to shake a few hands on the way to the mound, pitches immediately, and is walking away less than a second after it's caught.

Okay, looking at the first pitch in 2005, when he wasn't booed (though the audio could be misleading), he was in about as much of a hurry, but at least he stopped to give a wave once on the mound.

And October 2001 is an amazing cultural artifact. Interspersed with awed commentary as if it's a documentary of a key historical event, maudlin background music, the video of him walking even slowed for dramatic effect.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:36 PM
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Apparently the NYT decided that it would be in poor taste to mention that Bush was booed.

Then President Bush, dressed in a team jacket, walked over a red carpet and across the infield to the pitcher's mound, carrying the ball in his right hand. As the skylights and the dancing electronic displays replaced the dying light of the day's gunmetal sky, the pitch left his right hand and wobbled a little and carried high and outside into the catcher's mitt. And the players took the field.

Possibly the story was overwritten ahead of time.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:39 PM
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the day's gunmetal sky

Oh, why not just fuck me in the fucking fascist fuckhole? Gah.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:43 PM
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the DYING LIGHT of the day's gunmetal sky

Need to get it right for the full literary effect, Stanley.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:47 PM
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Aren't all politicians, regardless of popularity, term of service, or degree of slaughterrific blunderdeath, booed by sports stadia as a matter of principle?


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:48 PM
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the day's gunmetal sky

Jesus Christ! It was written by Zombie Grantland Rice.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 8:49 PM
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The video was great, but would have been much better if the fans had thrown batteries, the way they're supposed to. I fear the game is in decline.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:18 PM
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Sorry I missed you guys at Deep Ellum. I was out in the Back Bay when I got the text. (You know, I don't have a text plan.) I went to another reception for the priest who was leaving and then found out that it was a friend's birthday, so I had to go for a drink. I did find out that the amazingly smooth bourbon I was talking about is an infused product called diabolique.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:22 PM
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Hey, people of northern Ohio! You should get yourselves to Oberlin this weekend, where Angela Hewitt is playing the entire Well-Tempered Clavier. I just got back from hearing Book I (Book II is Tuesday night), and it was thoroughly spellbinding.
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Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:41 PM
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Am I really watching The Chris Matthews Show? Did he really just say he never had "a black" in his classes in college?

What a cad.
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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:49 PM
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46: After all, canonical is something like October gray sky, and four Horseman, or something.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:51 PM
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The sky above the stadium was the color of television tuned to a dead C-Span feed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:55 PM
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The sky above the stadium was the color of television tuned to a dead C-Span feed, but it was my soul that had really become lost in the static of life.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:58 PM
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The sky above the stadium was the color of television tuned to a dead C-Span feed,, but I knew it was I, I myself, who needed to tune into my inner self and find peace.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 9:58 PM
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I think it was Mark Halperin when he was at ABC news who
said that when the media trend against incumbents, they
trot out hobo videos and food bank stories.

Ironically enough, in San Francisco when the media usually runs homeless stories to benefit the incumbent mayor.

That said, I still strongly suspect that if you could make some sort of mortgage payment you should probably be able to pay the rent; quite possibly on a house equivalent to the one you just got evicted from.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:03 PM
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Cala's possessed by Modern Love! We need an exorcist.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:05 PM
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Depends on how much your mortgage went up by. A lot of these loans had people's payments going by 40% or more; if rents in the area were doing a comparable jump, especially with all the newly de-housed, it wouldn't be surprising to find people unable to secure a new place, at least for a while.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:06 PM
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Yeah I just think there isn't a big rental stock, and anybody owning a house to rent would have similar issues. This is a lot of cheap, new housing in the middle of nowhere we're talking about.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:07 PM
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The sky above the stadium was the color of television tuned to a dead C-Span feed, which was oddly the same color as all the TV sets in my house before the power of Christ compelled me.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:08 PM
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I guess there could be temporary dislocations. But if the price of the house was more or less set by what the marginal buyer could afford to pay per month... if the owner can't pay the mortgage and gets foreclosed, the bank still has to sell it to someone. If no one else wants to buy a tract house in the inland empire (not hard to imagine), you could easily end up with folk who say "well, i can rent it out for X hundred dollars a month, so at a cap rate of 6% that equals Y hundred thousand dollars. That's what I bid."

Sucks to be a bank about now, though.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:21 PM
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Holy shit, a certain libertarian whose name starts with M and ends with "egan" is having quite a week. First dsquared, and now this.

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/03/if-you-dont-get-it-it-might-be-joke.html

It's a long response to this.

A couple of excerpts:

It is of course not always easy to distinguish between a joke and a bog-standard stupidity. We touched on that the other day with the Zippy Tricks. Sometimes the joke actually arises when we find the naive or uninformed or logic-impaired coming up with an inspired phrase like "foreclosed tenants."...

It is within the realm of possibility that some folks engaging in "trash-out refinances" are, well, making the point that the joke's on you, Mr. Bank. You might consider it a kind of performance art of the gallows-humor subgenre. I do think it's a usual expectation that people who write for outfits with the pretensions of The Atlantic are, frequently, expected to try to "get" that. We call these attempts to try to "get" such things intellectual effort. Expenditure of this kind of effort is way harder than, well, just asking yourself if you feel sorry for someone today. Or yukking it up at someone else's "expense."


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:36 PM
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For all that McMegan can write some silly stuff sometimes, "I was corrected by dsquared and Tanta" is hardly a badge of shame.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 10:45 PM
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For all that McMegan can write some silly stuff sometimes, "I was corrected by dsquared and Tanta" is hardly a badge of shame.

I think I'll just go outside and kick the side of the house or something.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 11:08 PM
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It's possible for a good thinker to be corrected by Dsquared and Tanta, but McMegan is not a good thinker. She's lazy, unintelligent, and habitually nasty. I'm sure her critics were pointing out this very thing.

I still think former homeowners should be able to find rental housing, especially given the commuting ranges in SoCal (if you're willing to commute 15-30 miles to work, there's a huge geographic range you can live in). Even during the RE boom, new home owners were not drawn from the truly poor. It will be far inferior in size and amenities to the houses they were in, though.


Posted by: PerfectlyGoddamnDelightful | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 11:44 PM
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I mean, if Instapundit was pointing out that you were completely off base, that'd be embarrassing.


Posted by: water moccasin | Link to this comment | 03-30-08 11:52 PM
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Topically, I'm quite confused by the whole rebate calculator thing.

"Stanley, having earned X and paid Y, you'll get $600."

"Stanley's married roomates, having jointly earned (.5)X and jointly paid (.5)Y, you'll get, jointly, $300.

What? They should get twice what I get, if not more. They're exactly the people who need it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:02 AM
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"Stanley's married roomates, having jointly earned (.5)X and jointly paid (.5)Y, you'll get, jointly, $300.

Really? That's weird. Married couples are supposed to get between $600 and $1200, if they're filing jointly.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:13 AM
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Unless they made precisely $156,000, that is.


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:17 AM
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70: We ran the calculator twice in disbelief. They made $20K jointly, which gets them just by. I think they did pay a smaller percentage of the Y than I'm suggesting, but damn, it was close enough for WHAT THE FUCK status.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:19 AM
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Yeah, the whole stim package is structured in a really ridiculous way. It's supposed to be "bonus" money that will ideally be spent immediately, but since Congress doesn't want to look like they're giving handouts to a bunch of degenerate welfare queens, the amount you get can't be more than your total tax bill from last year (aside from the initial $300 to people who made more than $3000 in AGI).

Which is of course silly, because not only could lower-income folks use the money more than most others, they'll also spend it more quickly. But times being what they are...


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:26 AM
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In any event, though, if they're filing jointly that minimum is supposed to be $600, so they should really check again to make sure they'll get everything they're entitled to. You only get $300 if you're filing individually (or if the couple happens to make exactly $156,000, due to the phase-out formula they're using).


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:29 AM
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I'll have them double check, Matt F. Thanks for the feedback. They are also under the impression that any "bonus" they get is an advance on next year's tax return. As in, if they qualify for a $300 bonus now, next year they're at $0 for their 2009 tax return, assuming similar incomes and taxes. Any good explain-y links on that?

(Sorry to be all tax-advice dude.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:43 AM
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wasn't cheney booed during God Bless America when they showed him on the jumbotron at Yankee stadium one time? It's been hard to hate Yankee fans quite as much since I heard that.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:44 AM
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Basic Information on the Stimulus Payments:

It's not taxable, and it won't reduce your 2007 or 2008 refund or increase the amount you owe when you file your 2008 return.

So no, this doesn't have anything to do with the normal tax return, for any year. It's as close to free money as you're going to get. Once you get it, in the eyes of the government it's as if it never existed. Until they need to raise taxes to pay off the loans they're taking out to afford all this, of course, but that's a broader issue.

The full info page is here; specific info on married filing jointly is here (assuming they don't have kids).


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 12:54 AM
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77: Thanks, Matt. That's quite helpful. And you're correct: they have no kids (...as far as I know...laydeez).


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 1:07 AM
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I have to find out from the BBC via Unfogged that there are refugee camps in the United States? Gah.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 7:07 AM
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The homeless camp in Ontario has attracted the habitually homeless, not the "new" homeless of the mortgage crisis. And there are plenty of cheap rentals in the exurbs, but one problem is that once you are foreclosed, it will be on your credit report, and it would only be a desperate landlord who would allow an obvious credit risk into his property, only to have to file an unlawful detainer three months later. Even with the ability to pay, the benefit of the doubt is gone.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 10:30 AM
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73: only could lower-income folks use the money more than most others

Play with the stimulus simulator on the IRS site , put in a large income, and see

You do not qualify for an economic stimulus payment
According to law, the economic stimulus payment amount that married couples filing jointly would otherwise be entitled to receive is reduced by 5% of the amount that their Tax Year 2007 Adjusted Gross Income exceeds $150,000. You would have been eligible for an economic stimulus payment of $1200, but your AGI exceeds $150,000 by enough to reduce that amount to zero.
However, if your situation changes during 2008, you may be able to claim an economic stimulus credit on your Tax Year 2008 return.

Posted by: Econolicious, style guide conformer | Link to this comment | 03-31-08 9:47 PM
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