Re: Deeply Divided

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Forbundskansler Angela Merkel valgte en kjole med dyp utringning da hun i helgen deltok på åpningen av operahuset i Oslo. Det har skapt furore i Tyskland.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:42 PM
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The Tysks do not, in fact, approve of dyp utringning on their heads of state.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:45 PM
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The caption refers to Clinton as "Hillary." Sexist bullshit.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:45 PM
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I would certainly hope John McCain isn't tempted to do that.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:47 PM
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I hope that either my rack is that impressive when I am her age, or that I can afford the magical undergarments that make it so.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:48 PM
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No wrinkles, either.

I googled it under "hoax", but it seems to be a real story.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:49 PM
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Boobensraum!


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:51 PM
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Who's that guy with her?


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:53 PM
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Somehow I don't care if my rack is impressive when I'm her age.

It's a wonderful testament to cultural difference in what I take to be formal dress.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:57 PM
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Scandanavia always confuses my sense that going north should mean more covering up.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 8:58 PM
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Scandanavia always confuses my sense that going north should mean more covering up.

As indeed does Saudi Arabia in the other direction.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:03 PM
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That is a beautiful dress and an awesome supportive undergarment.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:05 PM
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Love her.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:05 PM
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I don't know, she looks like she could use a backrub.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:13 PM
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Absolutely.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:16 PM
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I gotta say it. Women can have nice breasts, and be bad people; they can lack them, and be good people. If you had German comrades, you would owe them better.


Posted by: Heinz Ampules | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:16 PM
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She is thinking how nice it will be to be played by Dame Judi Densch in Catastrophe: The Bush Years.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:16 PM
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Americans prefer social cleavage.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:17 PM
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18: Awesome.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:20 PM
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Dress and cleavage: both superb. My goodness.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:20 PM
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16: If you had German comrades, you would owe them better.

I don't understand. Owe them better than what?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:23 PM
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Let's not go bananas here. I don't see any evidence that those are nice breasts. Sizable, yes.


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:25 PM
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21: Talking up a CDU politician.


Posted by: Heinz Ampules | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:27 PM
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Are you saying that Merkel is "bad people"? Come on.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:31 PM
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23: I thought so. Understood.

And for what it's worth: I want to see a day in which men should show us their impressive balls, or be sad and cover up their lack of such, should they be unable to afford the proper supporting garments! Meanwhile, people follow the tits.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:37 PM
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The prized Gonerill praise! I should retire.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:37 PM
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Hell yes I am; it's my fraternal duty, and it would be yours if you were meaningfully any kind of "leftist". The "hotties" of Die Linke or the left SPD may not wear those kinds of dresses to those kinds of functions, but they're ultimately a lot more worthy -- and US liberal admiration for the European center-right has negative consequences for other people who gotta make things work no matter how much more "sophisticated" they may be.


Posted by: Heinz Ampules | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:38 PM
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I don't have to have admiration for the European center-right to think Merkel isn't "bad people". But now is not the time to argue German politics, for I am going to bed.

Also, 25: I would rather not see that day, actually.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:41 PM
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Hell yes I am; it's my fraternal duty, and it would be yours if you were meaningfully any kind of "leftist"

Solidarity! Solidarity! Workers unite to destroy the seemingly effective governing coalition in some other country!

Seriously could you say anything more pointless than this? Ideological purity tests are so 2000. Go vote for Nader, eh.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:42 PM
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It could be argued I overreacted in 29.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:42 PM
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She is thinking how nice it will be to be played by Dame Judi Dench

So good it deserves to be repeated.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:43 PM
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Also, 25: I would rather not see that day, actually.

I forgot to add a sarcasm tag.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:44 PM
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32: oh now you want to put a tag on the balls so they're more obvious?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:45 PM
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Also, 25: I would rather not see that day, actually.

Are you implying that breasts are objectively more pleasing to the eye than testicles? Madness.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:45 PM
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gwsift is right. I'll go for man-nipples on display. If you're too shy about that, man chests will be okay. I call for the return of variations on the v-neck for men.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:52 PM
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I'm wearing a v-neck sweater right now; does that count?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:54 PM
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34: than sarcastic testicles.

"Sarcasticles!"


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:54 PM
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Oh, god, I misread gswift. Of course testicles are just as pleasing to the eye!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:56 PM
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Tweety, I assume there is no t-shirt under the v-neck sweater. Or a camisole at most.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:58 PM
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Just a bra.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 9:59 PM
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40: Ha! I didn't want to presume.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:02 PM
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I want to see a day in which men should show us their impressive balls

g3nitalia@unfogged.com, people. Safe and anonymous.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:23 PM
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testicles are just as pleasing to the eye!

Hence, teabagging.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:34 PM
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Have I ever mentioned here how adorable (and I say that completely without irony) I think it is that straight men get all stupid over tittehz? Or how I think "titties" is possibly the most fun word to say in the English language?

And really, although I like testicles just fine, in a formal sense, I'd still say that tittehz are objectively more pleasing than balls. Certainly, plunging V-necks on men are a better solution for cleavage gender-parity than some arrangement where where we have to look at a couple of testicles all pushed up against each other to emphasize their size. (ow.)

I don't really get what y'all are on about over the dress, though, cuz I don't really even feel like I can see it from that picture.


Posted by: cerebrocrat | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:35 PM
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32: oh now you want to put a tag on the balls so they're more obvious?

How about a ribbon?


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:35 PM
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Safe and anonymous.

Do you not have enough cock pictures on your personal display?

max
['Bogus. BOGUS!']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:36 PM
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And really, although I like testicles just fine, in a formal sense, I'd still say that tittehz are objectively more pleasing than balls. Certainly, plunging V-necks on men are a better solution for cleavage gender-parity than some arrangement where where we have to look at a couple of testicles all pushed up against each other to emphasize their size. (ow.)

How about a codpiece? Ostensibly skintight of course.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:40 PM
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g3nitalia@unfogged.com, people. Safe and anonymous.

The agreed-upon number before posting was 8 back in the day, right? I forget how many you guys even claimed to have in the database at the end of the original experiment.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:44 PM
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Somehow I don't care if my rack is impressive when I'm her age.

Parsimon continues to astound me. I fully intend to have an impressive rack until I drop dead.

And I'm sorry, but testicles are not as attractive as breasts.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:55 PM
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Hence, teabagging.

I thought that was just Anglophilia.


Posted by: TJ | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:55 PM
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The obvious male equivalent would not be a pair of well-displayed nads, but a completely bare chest -- a look that very few male politicians of Mrs. Merkel's age would be able to carry off. I mean, even if you were a former Mr. Universe, old age is a bitch.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:55 PM
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And I'm sorry, but testicles are not as attractive as breasts.

Praise you, B.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 10:57 PM
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And I'm sorry, but testicles women are not as attractive clever as breasts men.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:03 PM
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cerebrocrat! Yay!


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:03 PM
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45: or!

No, it's not safe for work. Obviously it's not safe for work.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:06 PM
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47: I recall reading that the guy from Dexy's Midnight Runners (Kevin Rowland, I think) got on a little crusade where he felt that push-up codpieces were the equivalent of push-up bras, and that blokes ought to be taking advantage of their assets just like birds do.


Posted by: cerebrocrat | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:06 PM
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testicles are not as attractive as breasts


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:21 PM
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Gonerill, feel free to disprove my assertion by presenting your testicles for public viewing.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:51 PM
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Completely unrelated to 58, I only just recently came to understand an important point about the commenter mentioned therein. Because I'm an idiot.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:58 PM
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Now that's what I call a politician with strong support!

/thank you, try the veal.


Posted by: Gaijin Biker | Link to this comment | 04-15-08 11:59 PM
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Can you even imagine if a U.S. politician did this?

Whose cleavage counts as that of an American politician? We obviously can't get someone at the P.M. level, but this candidate (VNFSW, if you have safe search off) was in the ninety third percentile of success among those running in the 2003 California gubernatorial recall.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 1:15 AM
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maybe a kynodesme?


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 4:28 AM
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I want to know the backstory on the style consulting that Merkel has obviously been availing herself of. The hair, the makeup, the clothes, the cleavage--this is all a long way from the frumpy old Ossi that deposed Helmut Kohl.

It has long been obvious that she is a woman of exceptional political acumen (many before her dreamed of a Putsch against Kohl, but Merkel actually did it). She has evidently concluded that a cosmetic makeover--including an injection of sex appeal--will aid her political survival.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 5:39 AM
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62: I sense a business opportunity, Alameida! Unfortunately, it would be impossible to get any intellectual property protection because of prior art.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:16 AM
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including an injection of sex appeal

let's not go mad here mate, she's got her tits out but she's still Angela Merkel.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:22 AM
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Her hairstyle was a topic of constant comment while she was campaigning against Schroeder. I remember watching a debate between them, and during the commentary afterwards there were running results of phone polling on various questions at the bottom of the screen. All policy questions save for one: War Frau Merkel gut frisiert?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:22 AM
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let's not go mad here mate, she's got her tits out but she's still Angela Merkel

Well, yeah, obviously she's no Ursula von der Leyen, but still, TITTIES!


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 6:33 AM
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As always, Yulia wins. She 's out of office at the moment, but obviously is planning to run again.

This is fiction


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:09 AM
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More -- scroll down.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:11 AM
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As an ass man, I call for female politicians in really tight jeans. Possibly with a politics-related tattoo peeking above the waist in back.

Another advantage of an ass fetish is that male politicians could participate on a comparable basis.

The "hotties" of Die Linke or the left SPD may not wear those kinds of dresses to those kinds of functions, but they're ultimately a lot more worthy

Well? Are you going to post any photos links?


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:52 AM
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Actually, some pants suits are pretty tight. Am I a pervert for thinking pants suits are kinda sexy? Or for one of myriad other reasons?


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 7:53 AM
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The "hotties" of Die Linke or the left SPD


Huh?? Hotties? For every Katja Kipping, there are many more who look like this.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:33 AM
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Further to 72: if you take it from the federal level down to the Land level, there is the aptly named Julia Bonk, member of Landtag of Saxony and the youngest state parliament member in the history of the Federal Republic.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:39 AM
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73: Komm zu Butt-Head, Schatzi.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:44 AM
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Am I a pervert for thinking pants suits are kinda sexy? Or for one of myriad other reasons?

It's not an either/or.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:45 AM
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72: I've met her and talked with her at some length. She's very cool, very nice, very intense.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:47 AM
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Is Angela Merkel a monster? I don't know anything about her other than she's a former East German politician who joined the CDU and is now chancellor of Germany.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:50 AM
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she's a former East German politician

She is a politician who hails from the territory of the former East Germany, but was not a politician in the DDR in any meaningful sense.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 8:57 AM
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Katja Kipping seems to have taken a while to get her degree.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:01 AM
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Wasn't she for like a nanosecond, before unification? That's the first time I remember hearing about her.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:02 AM
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79: Typisch deutsch.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:02 AM
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Also relevant .


Posted by: Tiny Hermaphrodite | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:03 AM
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Is Angela Merkel a monster?

Not that I'm aware of; she's pretty much the platonic ideal of a just a tad right of centre European pol. And she did Germany a service by destroying the traditional stranglehold of large grey Catholic male chauvinist buffers from southwestern Germany on the CDU.

And yes, fearsomely smart. Back in 2002 she was the leading candidate to lead the CDU's campaign, but the buffers managed to push the Bavarian boss Stoiber instead, who promptly demonstrated that the other Germans don't want a Bavarian Catholic macho buffer as chancellor. She spent the next three years removing buffers from the party committees one by one. Started her term in office by fixing the EU budget negotiations after Blair buggered it up...


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:06 AM
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@73
Her surname is actually pronounced "Beyonk".


Posted by: Tiny Hermaphrodite | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:06 AM
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80: According to Wikipedia, she was a deputy spokesperson for the just-pre-unification caretaker government, but had entered politics via an opposition party.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:07 AM
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80. Yes, that's right. That's why I qualified the statement in 78.

The parties that competed in the 1990 democratic election in Germany scrambled to find candidates to fill their rosters who were reasonably prominent and untainted by association with the SED regime, and natural scientists like Merkel were a good labor pool for that. My family hosted an exchange student whose mother was recruited to run (successfully, as it turns out) for the post-unification Bundestag for exactly that reason.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:08 AM
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Her surname is actually pronounced "Beyonk".

Noch treffender!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:09 AM
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there are many more who look like this

To be fair, though, Sevim Dağdelen's very cute and Eva Bulling-Schröter is rocking the shit out of the hip professorial look in her picture. Roland Claus looks like he should be running an art gallery. And the rest are attractive for politics.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:40 AM
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84: Awesome.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:46 AM
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Julia Bonk is as beautiful as Gerard Boink is handsome.


Posted by: Auto-banned | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:49 AM
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Stop linking to him! You put my heart in jeopardy every time!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:50 AM
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She ran to the neo-liberal right of Schroeder and lots of people assumed that she would bust the unions and make Germany safe for hedge funds (although I made a borderline ungallant remark about her above, I am pretty sure that at one point or other most of the Economist's staff writers have rubbed one out to her image), but doesn't appear to have actually done anything particularly monstrous since taking power. Germany still has strong unions and generous social security benefits and they still don't particularly appear to give a fuck what anyone else thinks about it.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:52 AM
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To be fair, though, Sevim Dağdelen's very cute and Eva Bulling-Schröter is rocking the shit out of the hip professorial look in her picture. Roland Claus looks like he should be running an art gallery. And the rest are attractive for politics.

Okay, Diether Dehm and Dietmar Bartsch, at the very least, are not attractive even for politics.


Posted by: Auto-banned | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 9:56 AM
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Okay, Diether Dehm and Dietmar Bartsch, at the very least, are not attractive even for politics.

That picture of Dehm isn't very flattering. OTOH, he is a total asshole.

When he used to be a member of the SPD, he was the SPD parliamentary candidate for my district, running against arguably the most loathesome CDU candidate in the country. I've never been more thankful to be have been disenfranchised.

Re: hotties. I remember now that I left out the cute-for-politics Sahra Wagenknecht, a Rosa Luxemburg lookalike who is on the left fringe of Die Linke.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:19 AM
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Started her term in office by fixing the EU budget negotiations after Blair buggered it up...

Not to mention telling Bush he needed to close Guantanamo.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:37 AM
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Wagenknecht sounds like a good pornstar name, but not for a lady.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:44 AM
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Knecht, do you have dual citizenship with Germany?


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:53 AM
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He wouldn't need it for local or European Parliament elections. BTW, i'll see your Steinbach and raise you Roland Koch.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 10:57 AM
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Oh, hottie politician with a sordid story unlikely in the US


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 11:04 AM
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97: no.

i'll see your Steinbach and raise you Roland Koch

Well, that does raise the age-old dilemma of whether it is worse to sincerely holds loathesome convictions, or to be so cynical as to feign loathesome convictions because it is electorally useful to do so.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 11:20 AM
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I can only imagine the havoc that would ensue if any U.S. politician's wife or bf/gf posed nude for a magazine. There's not a state where there wouldn't be vocal calls for censure and impeachment.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 11:59 AM
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Even a small-town mayor can't get away with posing in her lingerie.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-16-08 12:05 PM
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