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The cop's just mad because he has to drive that emasculating little golf cart. Give that peace officer a Dodge Charger with a hemi and he'd be much happier.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:43 PM
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This makes me question everything I learned from The Wire.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:44 PM
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I skipped the last 1:45 of the video, but, barring a surprise ending, one vote for the cop. Did you even read any of the stories about Ed Burns to which you linked?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:44 PM
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Also, I have to get home and put a foot in my older kid's butt. Otherwise he'll never learn respect. A quick point of clarification: do you think it has to be my foot?


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:45 PM
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Oh no! Who will combat the noxious threat of skateboarders at the Inner Harbor! Next that brave officer will confront people smoking too close to the door of Bertha's Mussels and a sixteen-year-old loitering near the door of Maggie Moo's.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:46 PM
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Oh no! Who will combat the noxious threat of skateboarders at the Inner Harbor! Next that brave officer will confront people smoking too close to the door of Bertha's Mussels and a sixteen-year-old loitering near the door of Maggie Moo's.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:46 PM
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Oh no! Who will combat the noxious threat of skateboarders at the Inner Harbor! Next that brave officer will confront people smoking too close to the door of Bertha's Mussels and a sixteen-year-old loitering near the door of Maggie Moo's.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:46 PM
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That one wasn't my fault - I blame w-lfs-n, or possibly Daniel Pipes.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:47 PM
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4: customarily one uses the largest foot that fits.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:47 PM
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That one wasn't my fault - I blame w-lfs-n, or possibly Daniel Pipes.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:47 PM
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Sigh. Is it too early to begin drinking?


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:49 PM
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Timbot, do you write for Slate?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:49 PM
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This makes me question everything I learned from The Wire.

To deal with Wire withdrawal I recently started reading books by Wire-affiliated novelists. So far it's not going as well as I hoped. Pelecanos's Hard Revolution was mediocre at best, and while I'm just starting Price's Freedomland, the opening isn't promising.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:50 PM
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Alright, when my kids are bigger, I'll need to train them in how to deal with this sort of situation. What are the correct things to say?

"Have I been accused of a crime, officer?"

"Is my skateboard being held as evidence in a criminal investigation, officer?"

"I know you are just doing your job, officer, but if there is no crime, I would like to have my board back and be on my way."


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:50 PM
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11: if you're already seeing double, what's the harm?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:50 PM
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Another vote for the cop. The kid does need to learn to show respect for authority figures, or he will end up dead or in jail.


Posted by: Eddie Haskell | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:51 PM
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I like the way you think, Jetpack!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:52 PM
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Did you even read any of the stories about Ed Burns to which you linked?

Ed Burns never had to wear doofy little shorts with a neon yellow top while trying to intimidate twelve-year-olds.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:52 PM
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Here is the ACLU resource these kids need.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:53 PM
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What did I link to? I don't remember that.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:53 PM
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The kid does need to learn to show respect for authority figures, or he will end up dead or in jail.

... because of asshole authority figures.



Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:54 PM
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Jesus Christ, I cannot believe you people voting for the cop.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:54 PM
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Disrespecting cops is a crime, doesn't everyone know that?

(I defended the homework-assigning teacher. I am not in a million years going to defend this cop, who has, uh, some "issues.")


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:54 PM
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Damn

A child-actor who became so memorable as the wise-cracking Eddie Haskell, Osmond went on to a real life career as one of the "good guys," whose job is "to Protect and to Serve." Osmond served an 18-year career with the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD). During his time on the force he worked in vice, narcotics and as a motorcycle officer.

Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:55 PM
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Pelecanos's books might be better if he were less devoted to demonstrating how cool he is. A lot of writers have that problem, because they are not cool.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:56 PM
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"I know you are just doing your job, officer, but if there is no crime, I would like to have my board back and be on my way."

IME, this just makes the cop arrest you for something.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:56 PM
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I think it is fabulous to teach children that yelling and physical intimidation are how one earns respect.

Likewise, I support spanking children so that they know that physical power is important.

I better get going so I can beat BR in front of my kids to re-enforce this lesson.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:56 PM
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21, 22: guys, check out the e-mail address.

y00 h4v3 b33n b0br0ll3d!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:57 PM
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Prosecuting Attorney: Officer Rivieri, why did you shoot fourteen-year-old Eric Wood?

Rivieri: Because he was disrespecting me, my badge, my department! There's gotta be a line, sir!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:57 PM
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Whose bright idea was it to make the cop wear the gay uniform? Dude needs a leather trenchcoat or something more befitting his macho self image. Is he supposed to be in the bike cops, but is too fat, so he gets the golf cart?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:57 PM
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"I know you are just doing your job, officer, but if there is no crime, I would like to have my board back and be on my way."

IME, this just makes the cop arrest you for something.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:58 PM
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I'm assuming that people supporting the cop are kidding. Please don't disabuse me.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:58 PM
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The cop's "been suspended."

the boy never made an official complaint to the Police Department and that Rivieri has no other citizen complaints in his file.

Gosh, I can't imagine why not.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 2:58 PM
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Obviously cops are entitled to instant deference, and if the don't get it, woe unto the citizenry.

I support spanking children so that they know that physical power is important.

I support spanking children because it apparently ups the odds of their being into masochistic sex. Doesn't the world need more of that?


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:00 PM
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An official complaint only takes 6 hours to file out.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:02 PM
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Crap, forgot the link. Here it is.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:02 PM
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What did I link to? I don't remember that.

Huh. Maybe you didn't link to anything relevant about Ed Burns. Have you ever linked to Leviathan?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:02 PM
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Jesus Christ, I cannot believe you people voting for the cop.

If you're white, American, and successful enough to spend much of your white collar job time commenting on the internet, chances are you've already been successfully brainwashed to defer to our nation's bloated security state as a matter of course.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:02 PM
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"are you sure that you want to make a report of this?"

"Ok, just come on down to the station next week and wait all day."


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:02 PM
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"are you sure that you want to make a report of this?"

"Ok, just come on down to the station next week and wait all day."


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:02 PM
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Not having any sound, I simply cannot get the "Bro? I'm not your bro, bro." line from Harold & Kumar out of my head.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:03 PM
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Perhaps "what if the cop was treating MY kid like that?" is a useful approach.

Useful to those of you falling over each other to suck the cop's dick, that is.


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:03 PM
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Oudemia also approves of Sifu's stance on drinking.

"I know you are just doing your job, officer, but if there is no crime, I would like to have my board back and be on my way."

I hear on Bizarro World, skateboarding am not a crime.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:03 PM
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Part of a culture of violence & anarchy is a committment to unfailing politeness and public deference to authority. You want the assholes overconfidant & suspicious without plausible grounds, and you don't telegraph your punches.

You want the cops to fear everyone that is polite & friendly to them, so they beat up the squares. It's a "hearts-and-minds" thing. I suspect Iraqis follow this protocol.

OTOH the non-violent believe their pacifism grants them permission to be rude, argumentative, and confrontational.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:04 PM
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Further ro 34: the odds of their being into masochistic sex WHEN THEY REACH ADULTHOOD. Just clarifying.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:06 PM
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It seemed to me the cop cooled right down rather suddenly, perhaps as soon as he realized he was on camera. This suggests to my discriminating eye a guilty conscience.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:06 PM
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Perhaps "what if the cop was treating MY kid like that?" is a useful approach.

Come on, Anderson!

A large portion of the population would say, "hell yes! More kids need to be taught lessons like that. IT [drugs/sex/crime/immigration/muslims/terror/democrats] all started when we took God/the fear of God/beatings by teachers & parents away!"


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:07 PM
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The ACLU video suggests that you request the officer to explicitly charge you with a crime or back off. The idea is that the cops want to drag out the encounter until you confess to something or otherwise give them the evidence they need.

This assumes a well managed police department, so that if the cop doesn't have anything on you, he'll have to let you go.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:07 PM
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so that if the cop doesn't have anything on you, he'll have to let you go.

Obstruction of justice is what the officer would charge you with. Or disorderly conduct.

Without a video, you get convicted of it too.

This is why the police get so pissed off when people try to video tape stuff.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:10 PM
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"Sit down. I'm not a dude," Rivieri says. He then pushes a boy to the ground and walks away with his skateboard.

Assault. On tape. Perhaps strongarm robbery, depending on MD law.

The mayor's response is right. Asshole cops make everyone less safe -- people hate cops more, cops are more defensive, vicious circle ensues.


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:10 PM
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I hear on Bizarro World, skateboarding am not a crime.

Gawd, Bizarro World must suck.

As I said, I didn't watch the last 1:45. Did the cop throw the kid into the ground (the wrestling for the board doesn't count), or jail him? Or is the problem that he used mean words?


Posted by: SomeCllMetim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:10 PM
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Tough love at its best!


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:11 PM
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OT: JM - I'm looking for an apartment in Brooklyn, and while I think I'm going to find something just using Craigslist without too much difficulty, if you happen to know of or hear of anything, that'd be great.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:11 PM
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those of you falling over each other to suck the cop's dick, that is.

Shouldn't have skipped the last 1:45 of the vid, apparently.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:12 PM
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A large portion of the population

They don't comment on Unfogged. Fuck 'em, I say.


Posted by: Anderson | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:13 PM
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Dude, just watch the last 1:45.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:14 PM
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Did the cop throw the kid into the ground (the wrestling for the board doesn't count), or jail him?

It doesnt?

try grabbing your gf's phone from her next time you argue.

Let me know what the judge says when you say that it wasnt assault and battery.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:14 PM
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44: Right. Cops, like all bullies, pick on the transparently weak; prepubescent skaters aren't going to put up much of a fight with anyone, so the fat arm of the law can always feel free to vent some frustration their way. The skater kids, on the other hand, are lead by a naive, youthful belief in "justice" that the police, however nasty and mean-spirited, won't actually go beyond the bounds of their authority to abuse them, so they think they're free to act like normal human beings as long as they don't do anything illegal. Consider this a learning experience, young one!


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:14 PM
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the wrestling for the board doesn't count

Why not?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:14 PM
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Isn't all sex masochistic, if you're doing it wrong right?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:14 PM
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Ha, there's another video of the same cop yelling at an adult, but he doesn't try to beat that guy up.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:17 PM
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60: My understanding is that sex isn't "fun."


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:18 PM
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60: Good point.

This is going to turn into a cops are good/cops are bad thread, I can smell it.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:20 PM
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62: strasmangelo jones explained?!?!


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:22 PM
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64: READ THE ARCHIVES, DS.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:24 PM
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56: DON'T CALL ME DUDE!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:25 PM
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dude.


Posted by: tweedledopey | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:25 PM
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Thanks for totally negating the effects of my all-caps, stras.

Sheesh.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:25 PM
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I only read the archives that directly involve me.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:26 PM
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You people.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:26 PM
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53.---Unlikely, but if I hear of anything, I'll let you know. I assume you aren't interested in living in Bed-Stuy, right?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:27 PM
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70: Racist.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:28 PM
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Oh my god, the video linked at 61 is hilarious. I'd say "this is an angry, angry little man," except that physically he is very large.


Posted by: strasmangelo jones | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:33 PM
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I may well end up in an adjacent neighborhood, but probably not Bed-Stuy.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:34 PM
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That's a guy who needs to be fired pronto. It would be interesting to see his next career, though. "DON'T TELL ME YOU DON'T CARE! I asked you a simple question: paper or plastic! So PICK ONE! AND DON'T CALL ME DUDE!"


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:38 PM
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He's a bit of a fucking porker, isn't he, that copper. Are those shorts part of the uniform? Because if not I think they're quite ill-advised.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:41 PM
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Class act, all the way. And to think that some people say that police officers are petty tyrants!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:49 PM
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The video in 61 is extra great for the charming comic timing of the tiny remote control car driving up to Officer Dude and his porky little meter-maid-mobile.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:53 PM
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If Michael Moore can be fat, this guy can be fat too. what's important is what he ACCOMPLISHES with his fat.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:54 PM
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Ah--in one of the linked photos he is shown leaning on a bicycle. Probably he's been getting more and more bitter since they told him he'd have to wear one of these.

Because he knows it makes him look like this.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:55 PM
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Has there ever been a man in more severe need of a total kicking?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 3:59 PM
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81: Well, yes, but point taken.


Posted by: slolernr | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:04 PM
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It's all very well to sneer at this poor angry man-child, but I don't see any of you out there doing the hard work of shouting at children and kicking toy cars.


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:07 PM
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Perhaps you liberals would prefer that children not get shouted at, and the streets of American cities fill up with tiny toy cars like some third-world hellhole?

I mean, what's your alternative solution here?


Posted by: felix | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:09 PM
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You guys would all be in big trouble with certain commenters if that cop were a fat, abusive woman.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:13 PM
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81: that's not a man, it's a fourteen year old kid.

or in the alternate:

Yes there has, but it seems a bit unfair, he did have a kidney removed and everything.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:14 PM
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Non-locals may have missed it, but in the beginning, the cop asked if the boys were from "the county," which distinguishes Baltimore City from the surrounding Baltimore County. The incident takes place in a very touristy part of the city.

I'm not sure what significance he would attach to the answer. I can't imagine this particular cop having great respect for city residents, but maybe he expects county kids to be more arrogant and entitled? (Baltimore County is certainly richer than the city, but poorer than its adjoining counties.)

Parsimon or others, any insight?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:15 PM
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85: if that were the case we would have had the same video, but with a laugh track.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:15 PM
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83 and 84 are unfair. Liberals aren't necessarily against child-shouting and toy-kicking, as long as you're doing it based on good intelligence.


Posted by: DS | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:18 PM
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It's like watching Cartman yell "Respect mah authoritah!"


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:23 PM
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Jeez, I don't believe you people. Bad cop bad cop.

Stupid fucking kid.

Down here in Texas, the sane people walk around the rattlesnakes, slowly and carefully.

One punch, the cop does 3-5 and the kid loses 50 IQ points forever. Or is blind. Or dead.

The kid definitely needed to learn not to show attitude.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:25 PM
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Cartman would never have let the kid with the camera escape alive.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:25 PM
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I'm not sure what significance he would attach to the answer. I can't imagine this particular cop having great respect for city residents, but maybe he expects county kids to be more arrogant and entitled?

Yup. My take as a former teenager from the Baltimore suburbs is that he thought the kids were disrespecting him because they were from the mean streets of Dundalk and didn't know how easy it is to become just another statistic in the a skateboarding-near-the-water-taxis driveby. Think of it as "Are you bridge-and-tunnel kids?"


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:27 PM
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The kid definitely needed to learn not to show attitude.

my balls. the kid was being perfectly polite, and was clearly scared out of his wits. the simple problem was that the cop was the kind of fat cunt with whom there is nothing but false moves. the only solution to the problem is to get him out of any position of authority toot de sweet.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:28 PM
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Makes sense, though I can't picture a cop in D.C. saying, "Are you little punks from Fairfax County?" Well, maybe if white kids were buying dope in Southeast, but not skateboarding on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:35 PM
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94: dsquared, I've long thought your balls had too much attitude.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:35 PM
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95 ==> 93, obvs.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:36 PM
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but maybe he expects county kids to be more arrogant and entitled?

I seem to recall an interview with Richard Price (btw, w/d, I wouldn't pin my hopes on Freedomland picking up) in which he said that tourists (he was talking about people slumming) treated cops as servants, and people who lived in the neighborhood treated them as, variously, the enemy, the government, help, etc.

Why not?

If your cop wants your board, give it up. I've basically been that kid, though I was older (more culpable), mouthier, and treated much better; I still feel embarrassed when I think about it. Yes, the cop's an asshole, and yes, given the other incident, Apo's probably right that he need to be fired immediately. But that kid's being an asshole, not because it's his right, but because he's pretty sure his background is his protection (as I was at the time).


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:37 PM
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But that kid's being an asshole,

The kid wasn't being an asshole. He wasn't pandering to the cop's ego, but he wasn't argumentative.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:39 PM
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El Bobo:Down here in Texas, the sane people walk around the rattlesnakes, slowly and carefully.

the simple problem was that the cop was the kind of fat cunt with whom there is nothing but false moves.

DUDE! Bob's point is that most cops [Dallas county, anyways] are like that. He did seem to lose it a bit with the mugging the kid.

The screaming is pretty standard.

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Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:41 PM
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I've basically been that kid

You were a skateboarder, Reaganite?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:41 PM
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The kid's just being a kid. He doesn't bow and scrape, but he wasn't out of line.

Jeez. What an asshole cop.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:42 PM
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If your cop wants your board, give it up

my balls really are getting a workout tonight, because this is the second time in as many minutes I've felt it necessary to respond with a heartfelt "my balls".

But that kid's being an asshole

No he isn't. What the hell does he do wrong? He doesn't immediately let go of his property, but that's about it. He doesn't call the cop "cunto", "you fat fuck", "donut-munching shitheel" or any such, he sticks to "dude", which isn't an insult and which he could not possibly have had any idea would draw out that violent and wildly disproportionate tirade. The blame is 100% on the pig here.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:42 PM
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Cops aren't personal servants, no, but then neither should they be thieves. How did that cop not just flat-out steal that kid's board?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:43 PM
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But that kid's being an asshole

You, sir, are nuts.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:44 PM
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not because it's his right, but because he's pretty sure his background is his protection

Objection: lack of evidence.

SCMT, have you watched the last 1:45 yet? Because the cop's assault on the kid -- including a chokehold -- was utterly unprovoked.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:45 PM
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How did that cop not just flat-out steal that kid's board?

And assault him while doing it, no less.

Makes sense, though I can't picture a cop in D.C. saying, "Are you little punks from Fairfax County?"

Except Fairfax is rich, and like you said, white kids from Dundalk or Towson are unlikely to be noticeably richer than white kids from Baltimore. I think the cop was just weirded out that the kids weren't cowering before him with the proper knowledge of local mores.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:49 PM
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107 gets it right.

"These kids don't know by now that I am a total asshole and to be feared for my irrational outbursts? I hate them even more, they must be outsiders."

Not just cops but other local authority figures can have this attitude.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:55 PM
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Tim is Daryl Gates? I'm a bit surprised, I suppose, but after finding out that DS is Golda Meir, anything seems possible.


Posted by: Ari | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:56 PM
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You were a skateboarder, Reaganite?

Nope. But I was pretty sure my parents made more than the cop, just like that kid. His friend knows he's lipping: he tells him to shut up. I'm not saying the cop was right (well, not anymore)--the cop has a problem, and really should be fired--but I find it hard to be outraged.


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Tim is showing D^2 what a really professional troll looks like. (You're nuts, Tim. On a pleasant day, that's the most tourist-encrusted spot in Baltimore; the cop can't have felt that the situation was escalating out of his control, and he's got a screw loose if he felt comfortable assaulting the kid in front of a hundred out-of-towners like that.)


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:57 PM
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107: As is apparent, I know only the broad strokes about Baltimore. I once had high hopes of spending a lot more time there, but the friends I had there moved, and I moved on from the boyfriend (recently discussed on another thread) who lived there.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 4:57 PM
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His friend knows he's lipping: he tells him to shut up.

No, the friend knows that the cop is a loose cannon. Seriously, Tim-dude, that cop is looking to invent trouble.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:02 PM
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111: I will bow to you superior local knowledge. But my suspicion is that if it had been a black teenager with a baseball bat, the watching tourists would have cheered, and the kid would have been the worse for wear.


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Although he has a completely different relationship to the word "dude", The attitude and look screamed Walter Sobchak (from The Big Lebowski) to me.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:04 PM
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But I was pretty sure my parents made more than the cop, just like that kid.

The kid who says "I don't have a father?" In any case, the kid should feel safe, and not think that the cop is going to beat him with (at most) very little provocation. His friend isn't "right," he's just better socialized into the regime of brutality; the kid who gets beaten just happens to have a little bit of pride left.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:04 PM
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my balls. the kid was being perfectly polite,

Your standards of politeness don't mean shit in that circumstance, like saying I wasn't really hurtin that rattlesnake. Cop's rules applied.

Bob's point is that most cops [Dallas county, anyways] are like that

I wouldn't say that, but there are enough that it is best to not give a cop the benefit of the doubt.

And everybody else. There is just never any reason to show attitude in unclear circumstances. And all circumstances are unclear.

"Well, officer my husband just dominated the remote one night too many. I had to shoot him."

Lady gets the remote in our house.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:07 PM
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113: Hmm. Maybe. I guess ogged could be right--people are angry today, yadda yadda, and that's bleeding (apparently heavily) into my read on the kid. I am starting to suspect that I'm wrong about the situation generally.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:08 PM
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But my suspicion is that if it had been a black teenager with a baseball bat, the watching tourists would have cheered, and the kid would have been the worse for wear.

And then Baltimore City could have eaten a nice giant settlement for police brutality. Seriously, wtf? What argument are you trying to make here? Being sullen and not saying "sir" isn't grounds for a cop to strike anyone, much less a 14-year-old (white or black) in a situation that clearly wasn't going to get out of hand even for a glorified bicycle cop.

Maybe the cop knew that those kids were mocking Quine's triumph over the logical positivists and just felt grumpy.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:12 PM
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You people. How is it not totally fucking obvious the cop is out of line? You people.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:15 PM
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My cousin in the DFW area wants to be a cop. He tells a story of going out with a cop one day, to ride in the squad car. He is blithely unaware of how HORRIBLE the story sounds when he tells it.

They spend the day harrassing black people and stoners. They go to head shop parking lots and run all the liscense plates. They go to low income housing, and harass a kid who is standing in the breezeway. "He was a look-out for cops." "Cousin, how do you know?" "You could tell."

They stay at the apartment complex till a woman leaves an apartment that the cop knows to be a drug-infested lair. They tail her.

Finally they pull her over for - ...wait for it... - stopping at a red light with her tires on the white line.

They hassle her and eventually let her go. All this told breathlessly and excitedly by my (redneck) cousin in his early twenties.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:16 PM
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I've noticed cops running license plates on my block a couple of times. I suspect it's because of the mosque on the corner.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:18 PM
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that cop is looking to invent trouble.

So fucking what, a psycho cop makes the situation less dangerous? The kid should still have bowed & scraped. The kid was lucky.

This is the thing about liberals, they believe the fucking "rules" really do, not only should but in really do, protect them from danger. Literally insane.

Cops "shouldn't" act like this, so d2s says the kid was in the right, and if the kid lost his teeth, well, we got rules to cover that, too.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:18 PM
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Bob has trouble distinguishing between normative and descriptive.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:19 PM
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123: Now you're inventing trouble. Dude.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:20 PM
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124: I was going to say doesn't distinguish between a prudential and a moral "should," but same difference.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:23 PM
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For seven years I have had to listen to:"But the Constitution and Conventions say the Bush can't do that. He can't do that"

Like the fucking very fabric of space & time got warped or something.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:24 PM
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What argument are you trying to make here?

I'm not really sure anymore. I suspect I'm in the wrong here. Stuff like this is driving me crazy, though: the kid who gets beaten. Not how I would have described it.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:25 PM
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The kid should still have bowed & scraped

Bob, you're a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:28 PM
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I think what Bob's saying is that we should have bowed and scraped when the Bush Administration used the Constitution to make ben-waa beads, instead of fretting and wringing our hands and pointing out that it's not right.


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Bob has trouble distinguishing between normative and descriptive.

Bush could walk on the floor of the House tomorrow and blow Pelosi's head off. I really do think liberals believe that the law etc inhibits Bush from doing so. I don't the law is relevant at all.

More generally, liberals have so deeply internalized the Enlightenment Project that they trouble thinking or acting outside its frame. Because they don't think anyone should, and because they have trouble understanding that anyone even can.

Schmitt.

I really haven't seen much concern for those kids in this thread, except from Tim. The rest of you just are all offended that the system ain't working right. Duh.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:36 PM
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His friend isn't "right," he's just better socialized into the regime of brutality; the kid who gets beaten just happens to have a little bit of pride left.

I'm going to keep in mind that you said that, Ogged.


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we should have bowed and scraped when the Bush Administration used the Constitution

No we shoulda shot the motherfucker Sept 12, 2001. If not December 2000.

A million Iraqis fucking died for liberal comfort.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:39 PM
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Stuff like this is driving me crazy, though: the kid who gets beaten. Not how I would have described it.

The guy had the kid on the ground holding him by his throat, for fuck's sake.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:39 PM
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I really haven't seen much concern for those kids in this thread,

I'm not that concerned with the kids. I think by posting it on YouTube, they got the best of him.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:41 PM
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died for liberal comfort.

Oh dear. Is that like Southern Comfort for the coastal elites?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:44 PM
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I've noticed cops running license plates on my block a couple of times. I suspect it's because of the mosque on the corner.

Don't tell the wrong people

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042201994.html


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:48 PM
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The guy had the kid on the ground holding him by his throat, for fuck's sake.

I've now watched all the way through, and I keep wondering if there's some part of the clip that I'm somehow missing. The kid gets taken down from behind and then pushed down. If I saw a coach do this on high school field, I'm not sure I'd even notice. (Which makes me realize that the kid's age counts for a lot, somehow. It's possible that I just think adults should be allowed to assault kids.)


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:48 PM
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McCain, beyond Iraq & Iran, is making threatening noises toward Russia & China.

Would we really let McCain get his finger on the Button, saying he won fair & square, and if the world goes up in smoke, well at least it went kaboom in an orderly lawful fashion? Is this somehow comforting?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:50 PM
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Timbot, please tell me you're never going to have children.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:50 PM
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Storm the bastille!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:51 PM
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Usually high school athletes give implicit consent to be assaulted, by presenting themselves in a subordinate role.


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Are you taking the fucking piss? Seriously. In what fucking world is it remotely OK for an adult to do something like that to a kid?

There's nothing innocuous about it. It's assault, pure and simple. Any 'coach' that did this to a child of mine could expect to be beaten -- and that is very much not empty hyperbole.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:54 PM
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140: PK's not going to beat up himself, gswift's kids are with him in Outland, and ogged's not really moving at speed, so no promises.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:54 PM
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PK's not going to beat himself up, and no one else is going to beat him up either.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:57 PM
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145: Cut his hair, did you?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 5:59 PM
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a coach do this on high school field

This isn't a coach/player situation. What if, instead of a 14yo boy, it's a 19yo woman. Still think it isn't assault?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:01 PM
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No, but he has a formidable mama.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:01 PM
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Any 'coach' that did this to a child of mine could expect to be beaten -- and that is very much not empty hyperbole.

I'm scared of bullies, so someone who did this to my kid wouldn't get beaten. He'd get very, very sued though.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:03 PM
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147: Even if it had been a coach/player, though, come on. It would not be okay, and the coach would be fired.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:04 PM
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What if, instead of a 14yo boy, it's a 19yo woman. Still think it isn't assault?

No, but that's because I'm a sexist.


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re: 149

A nice law suit would work, too.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:06 PM
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98: Is it just a bad example of Price's work or have you been disappointed by Price's novels in general? I've heard very positive things about Clockers and Lush Life.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:11 PM
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152: But it would be a lot less satisfying than an irate father showing up to teach a bully what it feels like to pick on someone his own size.


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153: Boy, I couldn't say: I've only read Freedomland, which I disliked. He gives a great interview, though.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:15 PM
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154: I don't know. Violence makes me really nervous. Litigation makes me pretty nervous, too, actually But not as much as violence.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:17 PM
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This is why those threads about fighting five year olds were a bad idea.


Posted by: the thought police | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:19 PM
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Really, Di? If someone shoved Rory around, you wouldn't want to beat the crap out of them?


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158: Rory's a girl, I think. Even I think it would be wrong to treat a girl that way.


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158: I don't see how feeling a desire to commit violence would be incompatible with feeling nervous at the thought of carrying out that desire.


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158: Yes, I would. And involving Rory would increase the chances of me temporarily forgetting to be afraid of violence. But I'd feel guilty or something afterwards.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:31 PM
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161: I rather suspect you wouldn't, actually. I feel no guilt for scaring the man who mocked PK on the street in Toronto once.


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161: I suspect that if I got pissed off enough to resort to violence, I would do more than scare someone. Violence frightens me in part because I suspect I could be capable of quite a bit under the right (wrong?) circumstances.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:38 PM
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Litigation makes me pretty nervous, too

Litigation is kids-play compared to appellate work. That is some scary stuff!!!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:39 PM
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Er, that was to 162.


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164: Appellate work is scary in a very controlled way. Which I may as well note since this seems to be my day of confessing control issues on Unfogged...


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:42 PM
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Don't worry, Di. The underground worship continues, albeit with smaller congregations.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 6:53 PM
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The underground worship continues, albeit with smaller congregations

Can we call ourselves the Dionysians?

This underground worship / cult of martyrdom stuff sucks. We need our Constantine, stat, because I'm anxious to start persecuting the heretics like TLL who deny that Di is both perfectly human and perfectly divine.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 9:35 PM
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Obviously this doesn't excuse anything, but the video with the skateboarders and definitely the video with the DC artist are inflected by class. I can't help but think that it helps explain why Rivieri acted as he did.


Posted by: Pliggett Darcy | Link to this comment | 04-28-08 11:10 PM
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I started reading a cop forum a couple months ago. Balance of the reaction of other cops seemed pretty solidly weighted towards, "the cop is being a tool".

One of the reasons I applied at Salt Lake PD is that they seem pretty good at not tolerating this stuff. Recently a detective got canned for slapping around a high school kid. It was other officers who turned him in, the dept. contacted the mom of the kid immediately, etc.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 04-29-08 2:51 AM
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One of the reasons I applied at Salt Lake PD is that they seem pretty good at not tolerating this stuff.

Well, they're Mormons, of course they're polite.

They just harass kids they see drinking caffeinated Coke, is their rap.


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No we shoulda shot the motherfucker Sept 12, 2001.

There's still time, Bob. Why don't you show us liberals how it's done out West and take one for the team? I'll stand over here and sing "God Bless America." Look, dude, I know this is just a role you play on the internet while waiting for the disability checks to arrive, but let's pause here for a reality check: you aren't V.I. Lenin, or Leon Czolgosz, or whatever the voices are telling you today, you're commenting on a blog. So, you know, process 1, direct action 0, as far as that goes.

Also, firing that dude Rivieri would be too easy. I hope he gets grounds and sanitation duty for the rest of his career, after that kid's parent(s) has hired some shyster lawyer to take everything but his dreams.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 04-29-08 9:47 AM
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This underground worship / cult of martyrdom stuff sucks

Heretic. The original text clearly states that Di does not like overt worship. The prophet Emerson said so, and I believe him.


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