Re: Have they not hen-pecked you all?

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I was lecturing about something tonight and ended up making a REALLY SHOCKING statement about Renaissance bestiality paintings that made half my class turn purple. I meant it, but it was a little, erm, mechanical. The whole thing was, indeed, because of poetry. Thanks, poetry!


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:36 PM
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Renaissance bestiality paintings

I had no idea this was even a genre.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:39 PM
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You know, Zeus not being able to fuck like a regular person.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:49 PM
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What a prima donna.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:50 PM
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Of course you've seen these popular examples.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:52 PM
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Actually I hadn't seen any of those.

Leda's pretty bizarrely proportioned, isn't she?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:54 PM
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Allow me to clarify that the seemingly incorrect translation oudemia supplied was not her work.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:56 PM
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SHE HAS TO BE TO GET THE ANGLES RIGHT!

It was something of that nature that I gave as the reason why Renaissance painters enjoy doing Zeus-fucking-as-animals scenes. It proves you can do some pretty weird shit with fucking-angles. This proved to my students that I have thought a great deal about this problem. They blushed, I assume, because they've thought about the problem too.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:57 PM
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Of course, her head is way too small for no reason I can discern except making Swan Zeus look less ridiculous.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:58 PM
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But look at her head. Imagine her standing up. This is someone getting the angles wrong.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 5-08 11:58 PM
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The whole thing makes a little bit more sense -- the antithesis is more complete -- when you realize that "bluestocking," though it makes for a rhyme, isn't really the right translation. "Diserta" simply means "learned" and doesn't have the always pejorative connotation of "bluestocking."


Posted by: Pliggett Darcy | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 12:05 AM
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At the risk of being horribly explicit, the "solecism in a translation of a poem about solecisms" subtext is nice.


Posted by: Pliggett Darcy | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 12:08 AM
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If I said my education had been shocking, I'd mean it was bad, not good.

The word bluestocking always makes me think of the Momus song.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:49 AM
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The translation is Michie's, recently reprinted, with an intro by Sh/di B/rtsch.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 3:52 AM
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How about:

Why won't I marry you, Galla? You've wisdom.
And cock often brings us to solecism.

or

Why won't I marry you, Galla? You've been schooled
Cock often makes us speak like fools.



Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 4:20 AM
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I'm with Asilon on her understanding of "shocking" here, given that Michie was an Englishman born before WWII.

Why won't I wed you Galla?
You're already a PhD,
While I'm still fucking up with my dick
Pretty regularly.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:08 AM
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16: Priceless!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:11 AM
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Nice title!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:14 AM
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16: Oh, VERY good!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:20 AM
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I see my error and the OFE's merit. 'Nostra' is our, not us. Oops.

Why won't I marry you, Galla?
You speak Greek.
My cock very often misspeaks.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:28 AM
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Taking a further measure of poetic license:

Why won't I marry you Galla?
You are schooled.
While I by my little head am ruled.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:36 AM
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Why won't I marry you? You've been to college,
While my dick's still lacking some basic knowledge.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:39 AM
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22: Bonum opus!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 7:05 AM
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oudemia should now publish in this thread the rest of the material she sent to Ben, so the assembled multitudes can have a crack at it.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 7:15 AM
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You ask why I won't wed you? You've done your dissertation --
My little man has doffed his cloak and missed his education.

(I have an unnatural love for poulter's measure. Also, I felt the word "diserta" deserved a wink.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 7:48 AM
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UR 2SMART 4 MY DICK


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:11 AM
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Why won't I wed you Galla? You've graduated
While my cock is still working on breadth requirements.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:17 AM
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Why won't I marry you?
The reason is because of my cock.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:23 AM
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Won't get wit cha Galla cuz you did the whole grad school/plus my dick's all limp from bein' swum in the wrong pool


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:26 AM
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Wed education?
Shocking lack of the other
No cock left behind


Posted by: Mo MacArbie | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:29 AM
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Michelangelo is dabbling in Mannerism, you see! The elongated form allows him to attend to certain details that would be obscured in a more realistic expression. Leda may be sleeping, but those curled fingers look awake to me. The gourd shape of her figure cinches the composition--she's interacting with the swan's face on one plane and on another he's reaching for that suspiciously tucked fold of red velvet with his oddly placed tail feather. I've been thinking about this image a lot recently, because I am a pervert.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:29 AM
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"i am x something shocking" means "the manner in which i am x would shock you"

why it will shock will depend on the sensibilities of the "you" about be shocked: viz it might mean "i am very very x" or "i am not remotely x" depending

(tho the "very very" reading does feel the more usual) (of course if it's a solecism it doesn't matter if it's wrongly used as the underlying point will be the same!)

the tricky bit about the original translation is this: is the speaker using his cock as a metonym for all of himself = the speaker is shockingly educated, meaning (to a bluestocking) BADLY educated? or does he mean -- to a frigid old bluestocking -- that it really is his COCK that's highly educated ie he knows too much about fucking and wd be bored w.her and her bookish ways?


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:32 AM
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Y HELO THAR
U R SMRT
LOLDONGS


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:34 AM
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Leda does not look excited.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:37 AM
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Now in free verse:

I wed thee not, dear Galla, for you own
a sheepskin testifying to your ken
my cock by contrast knows it's prone to err
and thus prefers the lambskin to the gown


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:42 AM
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Why won't I wed you, Galla? My pecker is a chicken.
Your quick and lively mind makes him refuse to thicken.

28 made me grin.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 8:49 AM
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Your educated ways don't make me cum
Cuz Galla my dick is straight up dumb.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:04 AM
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I forgot the current status of "cum" versus "come", but believe I went for the non-approved option. I do not care.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:04 AM
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You need to translate "cum" out of the Latin, sir.


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:11 AM
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I like it when people give me charity I don't deserve. It makes me feel entitled.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:14 AM
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I forgot the current status of "cum" versus "come", but believe I went for the non-approved option.

Indeed. Deprecated.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:17 AM
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No, Gala, we can't get hitched; you're a bitch PhD,
and my cock's just a little bitch.


Posted by: Moby Ape | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:19 AM
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i like translation threads
so which one is the dirty word, all look so scientific


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:21 AM
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the


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:21 AM
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Why will I not wed you, Galla? You are classy enough for the ball,
But my cock produces only a thick southern drawl.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:21 AM
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Tangentially, I'm lolling at the new "Can Matt Y go long?" blogads.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:22 AM
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so which one is the dirty word, all look so scientific

'Mentula.' Lewis and Short say it means 'membrum virile,' which doesn't even seem to count as a translation out Latin. Wikipedia has a little argument for why it should be translated as an obscenity.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:39 AM
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i thought it should be saepe vs facit, counted both words until 10 and the guess fell on facit, other words' meanings i thought i can guess somehow, wrong
mentula sounds pretty word for its meaning, a flower name like



Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:45 AM
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forgot to include, sorry
Thank you, Mr. Beamish.


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:46 AM
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48: a good name for a daughter!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:47 AM
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You need to translate "cum" out of the Latin, sir.

cum laude, vs. come loud

or something.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:49 AM
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Forgive me, Gala, I've felt no desire
Since you critiqued my dangling modifier.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 9:54 AM
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it's the second time i read Gala as Cala
when i read CN it becomes CN(N) and have to erase the (N) afterwards, something wrong with my eyes
i applaud to all and i liked best many


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:04 AM
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Now translate it into Mongolian!


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:06 AM
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47. oudemia will correct me if I recall wrong, but Catullus uses mentula to refer to one of his enemies, as in dickhead.


Posted by: OneFatEngishman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:06 AM
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My ignorance of the coarse, much less the fine, points of Latin allow me to speculate on two very different meanings.

1. Because you are a slut. (Schooled in what exactly?)

2. Because I am an unlettered dick. (Mentula as a general insult rather than the object itself per 32, I have no idea if it was ever so used.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:06 AM
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Either what he's saying literally is that the girl is educated, but his cock often makes mistakes. In that case meaning he doesn't trust himself not to cheat on a refined wife.

Or, that she has learned plenty of good tricks, but his dick regularly lets him down. Take your pick.


Posted by: OneFatEngishman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:11 AM
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Why won't I marry you, Galla? You finished cum laude, and my cock can only make you, at the finish, come loud.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:12 AM
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Gala you are wicked smart
My cock just doesn't have the heart


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:13 AM
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58: thanks, I was too lazy to work it out.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:14 AM
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No nups for us Galla your education
excepts a wang what's no good for cogitation.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:18 AM
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Marriage, Galla? You're all class.
but this stupid dick seeks only fine fine ass


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:35 AM
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Possibly the nastiest poem in antiquity:

Das Parthis, das Germanis, das, Caelia, Dacis,
nec Cilicum spernis Cappadocumque toros;
et tibi de Pharia Memphiticus urbe fututor
nauigat, a rubris et niger Indus aquis;
nec recutitorum fugis inguina Iudaeorum, 5
nec te Sarmatico transit Alanus equo.
Qua ratione facis, cum sis Romana puella,
quod Romana tibi mentula nulla placet?

Although that rapey Archilochos ode is close.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:41 AM
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So the virgin/whore dichotomy predates Christianity? Huh.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:43 AM
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64: doesn't most everything?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:45 AM
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*almost


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:45 AM
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63: Fuck it, Oudemia, stop that cool classicist superiority and give us a translation.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:46 AM
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Ben should do it. I'm a lady.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:47 AM
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Yes, that's extremely nasty, and should be quoted at all the tosspots who go around saying "Oh the Romans weren't racist". More Martial? Wasn't something they gave us at school, oddly enough.


Posted by: OneFatEngishman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:53 AM
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So geeky classicists get their Phds so that they can talk about naughty poems?

Why didnt anyone tell me this before I went to law school?!?!


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:53 AM
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Yes, more Martial. I'm doing an independent study on ancient invective with a kid who is a working stand up.

It's super racist! And sexist! And kind of anti-semitic! A hat trick of nasty!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:55 AM
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I'm a lady.


Oudemia gets too hungry, for dinner at eight
She loves the theater, but doesnt come late
She'd never bother, with people she'd hate


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:56 AM
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Sweet Galla, curse thy erudition,
which brings my humble cock to falter.
Lamentably, in this condition,
we'll never stand before the altar.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 10:59 AM
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So geeky classicists get their Phds so that they can talk about naughty poems?

Early modern English writers used to put the dirty bits in Latin. This was to encourage kids to study. Locke's Essay has a Latin passage discussing a man who only has sex with donkeys.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:00 AM
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73 wins.


Posted by: OneFatEngishman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:01 AM
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73 is terrific!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:03 AM
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75: a translation should never improve upon its source material.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:03 AM
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73: KR's version brings to mind Randy Newman's "A Wedding In Cherokee County" on the perils of going through with it.

I will carry her across the threshold
I will make dim the light
I will attempt to spend my love within her
But though I try with all my might
She will laugh at my mighty sword
She will laugh at my mighty sword
Why must everybody laugh at my mighty sword?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:06 AM
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I'm a lady.

All the dicks love educated ladies around here.

hate to disagree, but I find 73 too flowery and British, lacks snappiness.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:07 AM
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63: Fuck it, Oudemia, stop that cool classicist superiority and give us a translation.

D.R. Shackleton Bailey renders it:

You give your favors to Parthians, you give them to Germans, Caelia, you give them to Dacians, nor do you despise the beds of Cilicians ands Cappadocians; and to you comes sailing the fornicator of Memphis from his Pharian city and the black Indian from the Red Sea. Nor do you shun the loins of circumcised Jews nor does the Alan pass you by with his Sarmatian horse. Why is it, since you are a Roman girl, that no Roman cock is to your liking?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:08 AM
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hate to disagree, but I find 73 too flowery and British, lacks snappiness.

The problem with "snappiness" is that it always leads to using dated slang.


Posted by: Fatrman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:10 AM
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78 -> 80


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:10 AM
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Snappiness in translation, anyway.


Posted by: Fatrman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:10 AM
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Good old Shackleton Bailey. I guess I'd want to translate the very last bit, "What? Are Roman dicks not good enough for you?" Just to get that extra touch of thuggishness.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:13 AM
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This whole thread brings to mind Catullus's 16.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:16 AM
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81 to 62.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:18 AM
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"clintonize"?!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:20 AM
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87: My thought exactly.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:21 AM
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Just to get that extra touch of thuggishness.

But isn't the preceding actually not very thuggish? "et tibi de Pharia Memphiticus urbe fututor / nauigat, a rubris et niger Indus aquis"—good lines! And rhetorically even a bit high-flown.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:23 AM
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87-88: You don't get slang much dateder than that.

Seriously, whenever there's a new translation of some epic or classical work, and the reviews all say it's more relevant to today's world than ever before, or even just that "it's more readable than ever before, but retaining all the brio and energy of the original"...what that means is that it is full of stuff like "Yo, Alcinous! This is one swell shindig, and your dancers are hot stuff!"


Posted by: Fatrman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:23 AM
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I don't think Martial is confessing weakness, but just crudely rejecting a plea for marriage. I think 'disertus' means eloquent rather than educated.

Why don't I want to marry you, Galla? You're eloquent.
My cock often commits solecisms.

I think that's a pretty literal (if prosaic) translation.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:24 AM
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Is there an English word for "solecism" that would make sense actually spoken by one person to another casually?


Posted by: Fatrman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:26 AM
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God you are a bunch of literalist philistines. I would stretch a point and use a less cliched metaphor, summarising the same sentiment as:

"Bye, bye, its been a sweet love, though this feeling I can't change;
But please don't take it badly, 'cause Lord knows I'm to blame."

by the way, bastards, does anyone know if the film "Iron Man" has the song "Iron Man" on its soundtrack? I'm fucked if I'm going to see it if it doesn't.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:27 AM
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Actually, 93, the theme song is Phoebe Snow's "Poetry Man". throwing the viewer for a loop in that decadent inj-oke way.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:28 AM
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93.last: the ads certainly do, so I think your odds are good.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:28 AM
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God you are a bunch of literalist philistines.

Dsquared doesn't get the post title; dsquared doesn't get the post title!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:28 AM
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Dammit.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:28 AM
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By the way, the half-Latin, half-Middle English couplet:

"non sunt in coeli, quia fvccant vvivys of heli"

is the earliest known use of the word "fuck" in the English language.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:29 AM
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93: this, you mean?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:29 AM
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96: of course I did you ridiculous little man. An alternative translation would be;

"If I stayed here with you girl, things just wouldn't be the same;
For I'm as free as a cock now, and this cock you cannot change"


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:32 AM
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A cursory search reveals no evidence that "Bitches Ain't Shit" has been translated into Latin. This surprises me a bit.


Posted by: Fatrman | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:35 AM
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100: Yes, the great anthem of the exhiliration of finally acting on latent homosexuality.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:40 AM
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dsquared knows Lynyrd Skynyrd?!? Wow.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 11:47 AM
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Is there an English word for "solecism" that would make sense actually spoken by one person to another casually?

'Talks wrong'?


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 12:10 PM
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I would use "solecism" in casual conversation and so would my dad, so there.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 12:26 PM
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cock-up


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 12:42 PM
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54 i can translate it into my language, but you won't understand
i recalled an old joke
a little boy asks his father why the monks at the temple chant in a foreign language (Tibetan)
the father answers that god does not know Mongolian


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:01 PM
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dsquared knows Lynyrd Skynyrd?!? Wow.

guitar hero/rock band.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:03 PM
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D^2: Yes, the song is featured, near the end. Not as prominently as one would hope, perhaps, but it's there.

And the movies is tied with Batman Begins for best superhero movie to date.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:05 PM
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Batman Begins is way better than Iron Man. But Iron Man isn't bad.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:06 PM
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Iron Man in the soundtrack = special effects involving explosions

Carmina Burana in the soundtrack = special effects involving mythical creatures and/or dismemberment.

In all other respects, these movies hereby described are interchangeable, if not indistinguishable.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:11 PM
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In all other respects, these movies hereby described are interchangeable, if not indistinguishable.

Knecht is Anthony Lane? Who knew.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:11 PM
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read in 107:

the father answers that god does not know Mongolian

That's really funny.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:14 PM
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Oudemia, Jesus, w-lfs-n, Alameida: Even in the twentieth century explicit sexual passages and dirty jokes were translated into Latin. Von Gulick's "Sexual Life in Ancient China" did that, though a second edition may translate them. So does Budges translation of "The Laughable Stories" by Bar Hebraeus, a Jacobite Bishop in Mongol Persia. Here's an opportunity to put your rad language skills to practical use.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:20 PM
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Someone should give me a good Latin dirty joke for my alternate dissertation.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:23 PM
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90: Dudley Fitts.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:23 PM
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115: I can find a few.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:26 PM
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114: Old school lexica worked thusly: Greek naughty bits were translated to Latin, and Latin naughty bits were translated to either different Latin, or, more interestingly, Italian.

E. M. Forster's novel Maurice begins with a group of young men translating, um, some Plato, maybe the Phaedrus in a don's office. As one fellow is reading along, the don interrupts him: "Omit! A reference to the unspeakable vice of the Greeks!"


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:27 PM
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115: Any particular topic?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:27 PM
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Any dirty joke about philosophy would be good. All dissertators are whores or some such.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:30 PM
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alternate dissertation?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:32 PM
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Not Latin, but Marx is best here: "Philosophy stands in the same relation to the study of the actual world as masturbation to sexual love."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:42 PM
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Geez oudemia it would have been really handy to have that quote at hand when I was baiting analyticphilosopher.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:46 PM
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Cry, cry, bait-debate, cry.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:50 PM
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123: Oops! You really were a one-man tour de force that day though. Bravo!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 1:53 PM
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123, 125: I've been around here long enough now that the direction of that discussion was not a surprise, but the seeming depth of bitterness and repressed (and expressed) fury were still a bit statling. Not wishing to rekindle, I'm sure I can find it all on Standpipe's blog (or some specific place in the Archives?), but just saying.

Did you hear about the Analytic Philosopher Coyote?
Chewed off three legs and still thought it was making progress getting out of the trap.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 4:44 PM
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If only someone had shown it out of the fly-bottle.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 05- 6-08 5:18 PM
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