Re: Like Toby Keith, I love this blog

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Fuck off, Labs.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 1:53 PM
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I hope that was the spirit of the post. It's possible I missed something.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 1:53 PM
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Why would you accuse Labs of imbibing spirits?? It's just like you be sober-normative. Fuck you, too.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 1:57 PM
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No, fuck you. Followed by bro-hugs!


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 1:58 PM
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I had a button like that. And another, that said "Simon says take off your pants"


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 1:59 PM
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I would like a terrorist fist bump, please.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 1:59 PM
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Sexist pig.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:00 PM
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Somebody's getting a boot in the ass.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:02 PM
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Oh, god. JRoth is homophobic or else he really wouldn't be so obsessed with asses.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:03 PM
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I would like a terrorist fist bump, please.

This reminds me. I did the (totally-patriotic-and-loving-of-my-country) fist bump with my 5-year-old niece recently, and she totally did the explodey noise thing.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:05 PM
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Fuck Cala, why are you being so damn critical of everyone.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:07 PM
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10: So cute. Little kids are cute when they high-five, too, and cuter when they miss.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:09 PM
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Toby Keith, Cala.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:10 PM
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I'd forgotten about 13. You'd have to work pretty hard to match that.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:13 PM
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'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way

Jesus Christ.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:13 PM
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That's right. Quake in fear, Canadians.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:14 PM
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I guess you all think you're being really fucking funny, don't you? Well for shame.


Posted by: Shame! | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:15 PM
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Plenty of Americans do not even *own* cowboy boots. (And God, that song is a piece of work.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:16 PM
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18: But those people are all on the terrorist watch list.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:16 PM
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That's right. Quake in fear, Canadians.

Or then again maybe not .


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:17 PM
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"They ran so fast they forgot to take their culture" is such a great line.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:21 PM
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15: Jesus Christ is also the American way, yes.

Plenty of Americans do not even *own* cowboy boots.

I have an uncle who sells Tony Lama boots to shoe stores. He's from Texas, originally, though he's now covering VA and NC. He says the only people who wear cowboy boots here are little kids, college-aged women, and Mexicans.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:23 PM
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Plenty of Americans do not even *own* cowboy boots.

Oh, so who's being cowperson normative now? What about work boots? motorcycle boots? dominatrix boots? riding boots? cute little rubber rain boots with ladybug eyes?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:24 PM
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22: Racist.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:24 PM
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Now that the Iranian has died, can we rename the blog "Deathworld?" Please?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:25 PM
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You know what sucked 30 goddamn dicks? Max Blumenthal's Toby Keith article yesterday.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:25 PM
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22: Also anti-Sir Kraabist. And anti-two-stepperist. And anti-my-awesome-veternarianist.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:25 PM
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Racist.

I guess, though he'd really, really like to see the Mexican population here explode.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:26 PM
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The line about the Statue of Liberty "shaking her fist" is surprisingly apt.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:26 PM
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Yeah, apo must be wrong Sir Kraab ... everyone I know who favors cowboy boots is gay. Except one MD.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:27 PM
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Don't you live in Texas, Kraab? He was comparing being a boot salesman in NC/VA to being one in TX/OK. Apparently it was a whole lot easier there.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:27 PM
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23: You reveal your swippleness if you think Toby Keith was talking about ladybug boots. God.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:28 PM
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31: right, see 30.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:28 PM
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I don't see how wanting Mexicans to explode contrasts with being racist.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:28 PM
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Fuck you all for not talking about Sifu v. Blume. If you weren't such inveterate morons, you'd realize that this is the first unfogged marriage. Created, I mean, not destroyed.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:29 PM
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Toby Keith was talking about ladybug boots

Might as well have been, cowboy boots are kind of lame for a good shit kicking. You want something more solid and without a bendy little toe like that.


foolishmortal: didn't that already get a thread?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:30 PM
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So maybe I didn't read so carefully. Don't rattle my cage, man.

For the record, though, I bought my first pair when I lived in D.C. and went two-stepping a lot and was, vindicating soup, dating women at the time.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:31 PM
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the first unfogged marriage

I don't think that's true. What about [Gilgamesh and Enkidu]? Or did they precede Unfogged as a couple?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:31 PM
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Fuck your heteronormative insistence that people be interested in marriage.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:31 PM
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and 21 is exactly correct.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:31 PM
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If you weren't such inveterate morons, you'd realize that this is the first unfogged marriage. Created, I mean, not destroyed.

Apostropher: objectively not an inveterate moron!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:31 PM
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Outside of Edmonton there is a store that sells Western boots that has a giant (30ft., maybe) cowboy boot out front. At his cousin's wedding, the groom wore cowboy boots and so did many of the guests.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:32 PM
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everyone I know who favors cowboy boots is gay.

Long before Brokeback, there was a (or more, maybe) gay cowboy bar in Atlanta. Them cowboys did line dancing and everything.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:32 PM
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I bought my first pair when I lived in D.C.

Were you a college-aged woman?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:32 PM
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At his cousin's wedding, the groom wore cowboy boots

I'm parsing this in a way you probably didn't mean.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:33 PM
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38: They met on Unfogged, so Sifu and Blume are our second marriage. But I believe there's a preference that they not be discussed here, and I don't see any compelling reason not to respect that. (Not, of course, that you knew.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:33 PM
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What about [Gilgamesh and Enkidu]? Or did they precede Unfogged as a couple?

IIRC, they left Unfogged first, thereby forgoing eligibility.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:34 PM
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But I believe there's a preference that they not be discussed here

News to me too. A preference of here, or of theirs? And do you mean as individuals, or the fact they're together, or what?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:35 PM
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(or more, maybe)

almost certainly. Atlanta's a fair sized city.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:36 PM
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Just turned on the sisterhood like that, eh Kraabs? Fuck M/tch M/lls for taking you from the lesbians. And fuck foolishmortal for not reading in between the archives!


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:36 PM
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44: No, I was not.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:36 PM
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48: Erm, wouldn't hashing out the details of who precisely preferred that exactly what not be discussed constitute discussing it?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:38 PM
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Fuck art, let's kill

I think Snark had a friend in high school named Art who liked to wear a t-shirt bearing this slogan.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:38 PM
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Might as well have been, cowboy boots are kind of lame for a good shit kicking. You want something more solid and without a bendy little toe like that.

shit is pretty pliable. I think you mean "ass kicking".


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:38 PM
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My bad.

I was coveting cowboy boots recently and trying to think of any thread of history that would let me wear them with authenticity. This is why a need a drop of Mexican blood in my ancestry.

So far I've got:
Surprisingly dark skin for a Russian Jew
Possible expulsion from Spain?
Spain colonized Mexico and California.
I'm Californian.

I'M IN! Black and red boots, here I come!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:39 PM
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50: Don't hold M/tch responsible (or give him credit, which I know is what all you big sexists are thinking). My betrayal preceded him.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:40 PM
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Erm, wouldn't hashing out the details of who precisely preferred that exactly what not be discussed constitute discussing it?

Yes, but it's a catch-22. I'm happy to honor the request but I don't know what it is, precisely. I guess imprecisely will serve.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:40 PM
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any thread of history that would let me wear them with authenticity.

In my case I figured 'found a good deal on eBay' and 'I'm in grad school no one cares what I wear' sufficed.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:40 PM
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I don't think that's true. What about [Gilgamesh and Enkidu]?

Was this common knowledge? I missed that bit of news.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:40 PM
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I love this blog
My kind of place
jest typing in the url
puts a big smile on my face

we got libruls
we got perverts
former hippies and converts

we got cute butts
and some nuts
we even got ancestral mutts

we got professors
and confessors
and obsessive possessors

repeat chorus

We got commies
and mommies
and a lot of Obammies

Arctic Ursines
signs and cosines
and some who still do coke lines



Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:41 PM
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When I saw the quote in 21, I knew it'd be a parody of "The Battle of New Orleans."

45 years ago, the opinion that the 1812 & 1813 invasions of Upper Canada had been repulsed by the defense of settler/frontiersmen much like the attackers almost literally blew the minds teachers and students alike in my Ohio junior high. To my middle-aged scoutmaster, the idea the U.S. might at any time have been both wrong and unsuccessful in war came like a body blow.

That couldn't still happen, could it? I don't mean ignorance of historical fact, I know that does; I mean an exalted, fragile idea of this country never contradicted even by a child.


Posted by: I don't pay | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:41 PM
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54: really depends on the age

55: All you need to do is ride a horse...


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:41 PM
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59 was multiply pwned, and discouraged I see.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:43 PM
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I don't think that [Gilgamesh and Enkidu] can hold us to pretending that they don't exist after they self-banned. Their comments are still there, Tia's posts are still there, hell, Bitch has been back for longer than she was here when she left, I think, it's all fine, fuck a lot of it.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:44 PM
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61: It's a bizarre idea, isn't it? Still has some holdouts today, but nothing like the prevalence then, I'd guess.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:45 PM
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Fuck you all for not talking about Sifu v. Blume.

Uh, wouldn't this be the name of the divorce case? Let's not get carried away!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:45 PM
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All you need to do is ride a horse...

That's crazytalk.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:45 PM
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Anyhow that's old news, unfogged-wedding-wise.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:45 PM
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wouldn't this be the name of the divorce case?

Only if you hold it before Will here in the comments.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:46 PM
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Besides, I'm not sure that riding a horse calls for ornately decorated black and red boots, so it might not get me all the way there.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:46 PM
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61: We learned about the White House getting burned, and I think the fact that after the war we weren't a colony again counted as a victory in the elementary school textbooks. But we definitely didn't beat Canada.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:46 PM
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Anyway, Sifu and Blume can be the first Unfogged couple that aren't shunning the blog. Yay!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:47 PM
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68 to 64.

66: but you said we could have a no-holds-barred cage wedding!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:47 PM
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but you said we could have a no-holds-barred cage wedding!

Thunderdome wedding! Two people enter one couple leaves.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:48 PM
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So commenters can become desaparecido? Jesus, I had no idea. What did they do? If I ask, will I be next?


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:49 PM
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23: You reveal your swippleness if you think Toby Keith was talking about ladybug boots. God.

Oh yeah, well, I . . . you . . .

/sputter


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:49 PM
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71: `We started a war and didn't end up recolonized' is a hard line to get behind with too much enthusiasm.

I think the 30,000 ft version that goes: "The US started a war with Britain and Canada won." isn't a terrible summary.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:49 PM
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76: what if the ladybugs have big pointy teeth?


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:50 PM
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74 is great!


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:50 PM
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75: They stopped commenting after some arguments. Neither is banned. Commenters have been banned (a couple of real lunatics, one abusive troll, and one really odd situation that I don't want to go into), but not a lot.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:51 PM
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Anyway, Sifu and Blume can be the first Unfogged couple that aren't shunning the blog. Yay!

Somehow that isn't quite inspiring.

In any case, congratulations! I missed the news in the old thread.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:52 PM
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There is a good reason most history books focus on the Naval aspects of the War of 1812 and the Battle of New Orleans. The rest is pretty bad.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:52 PM
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Come to one of the meetups, foolishmortal, and we'll tell you all the back gossip.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:53 PM
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The meet-ups, foolishmortal, are held in remote mountain cabins. Don't tell anyone where you're going.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:56 PM
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78: Yeah, Cala! What about that?

No use. I think the ladybug is probably irredeemably cute.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:56 PM
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Or come to the meetups to reduce the opportunities to gossip about you.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:56 PM
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If you haven't banned me, I shudder to think what would prompt banning. I've said some stupid stupid shit in this particular forum. Now you've just made me curious about the "really odd situation."


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:57 PM
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85: extra double humiliation points to have your ass kicked by ladybugs though.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:58 PM
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I have seen ladybug rain boots and they are indeed cute.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 2:58 PM
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43: I heard that place closed, which would be sad because it was awesome.

Ladybug rain boots are lethally cute.


Posted by: Sybil Vane | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:01 PM
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Fuck you, clown!


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:02 PM
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you've just made me curious about the "really odd situation."

fan service guy?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:06 PM
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real trolls can't be "banned": they merely change their proxy-latex, and after a refractory period, re-enter, a bit more forcefully..............;)


Posted by: 8 ball | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:08 PM
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Doesn't Napi wear cowboy boots?

The slur about mothers and combat boots doesn't work anymore. That's good.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:09 PM
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"... Now you've just made me curious about the "really odd situation.""

There was the person who mistook unfogged for a confessional.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:12 PM
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Sifu & Blume are the first Unfogged marriage-to-be that hasn't shunned the blog but Unfogged has saved many marriages, hasn't it? Or am I just scrunching together all those times Brock confessed to forgetting to buy Christmas/anniversary/whatever gifts and came around asking for suggestions?

Also, the fucking funniest part of that Keith song is that his dad's a big hero for losing an eye on a training mission. Kee-rist.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:15 PM
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Every couple of months these mysterious vanished weirdos are mentioned, and the details of the cases never become clearer.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:19 PM
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his dad's a big hero for losing an eye on a training mission

He should have looked for it the last place he remembered seeing it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:20 PM
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I wear boots and I'm surprised by how many remarks I receive about them. They occupy that sweet spot between sneakers and formal dress shoes—I don't know what I'd wear in their place. Would Wear Again A++!! !


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:20 PM
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If I saw someone I know wearing boots, I would probably make a remark. This has never happened, though.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:21 PM
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97: It's all in the archives. You have read them in their entirety, I trust?


Posted by: Matt F | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:21 PM
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95: There's more than one.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:22 PM
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It's the Deig/nans and the Hild/es I miss. Also, that guy who wrote the blog paean to statutory rape—was his name Mai/er?


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:23 PM
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For statutory rape, but firmly against sodomy. It was something about oxytocin and inter-sperm competition. But he never commented here, did he? Someone just found his blog.


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He should have looked for it the last place he remembered seeing it.

In the absence of depth perception I guess he'd have to grope around even if he could see it. That's pretty funny sad funny.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:25 PM
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that guy who wrote the blog paean to statutory rape

It is a matter of some pride to me that he was my commenter first.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:25 PM
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101: It just occurred to me to analogize reading the archives to this guy. God knows I don't to be stuck in suspense about whether ogged is ever going to turn on the war in Iraq or not.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:26 PM
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It was something about oxytocin and inter-sperm competition.

That's Mei/gs.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:26 PM
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Also for years I wore a pair of jump boots I bought in Fayetteville and they were probably the most comfortable shoes I've ever owned. Now I want another pair.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:26 PM
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That's right, intraejaculate competition. We were so ready for him to comment here, it's nearly like he did. Hi/lde and Deig/nan did show up here.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:26 PM
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It's the Deig/nans

That was a helluva thing.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:28 PM
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But he never commented here, did he? Someone just found his blog.

Lies!


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:29 PM
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66: Have you sorted out which one of you gets Will, just in case?


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:30 PM
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I wear cowboy boots. a) they're gorgeous, b) I have more than once pushed cattle on horseback.

When I pushed cattle on horseback, I wore hiking books.

'How did the cattle get on horseback?'


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:30 PM
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98 is hilarious.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:30 PM
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'How did the cattle get on horseback?'

How did the books get on your body?


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:32 PM
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116: Staples


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:33 PM
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I just googled the affair in 101 and, wow. I particularly like the string of eight Unfogged posts mentioning him by name in a row.


Posted by: destroyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:37 PM
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I think we should make a bigger effort to pull in outrageous personalities from all around the internet to comment here. Give us an external target so we don't turn on each other like ravening beasts during the sex threads.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:37 PM
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I once got dragged off to a faux cowboy bar in Colorado with my sister and her date (a military dude who affected the look), and I have to say I looked awfully out of place with my black turtleneck sweater, round wire-rim glasses, and black lace-up boots. As I felt the disapproving stares all around me, I was painfully aware of the irony that I was likely the only person in the room (apart from my sister) who had any actual experience in herding cattle.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:37 PM
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119: Hey, I tried. But S.A.M. didn't stick around beyond the threads that linked to him directly.


Posted by: CN | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:38 PM
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If anyone is reading this and is enough of a blogging name that Nate Silver might promptly answer their e-mails, I'd appreciate it (and once you hear my question perhaps you'll be curious to) if you'd inquire of him whether 538 has run its model on Kerry and Bush's 2004 summer state-by-state polling to see if the results are different from the one's they're currently getting for Obama, and if so by how much. Because comparing the first and third graphs here at electoral-vote.com aren't confidence inspiring for me, and I wish that they were.

I'm enlisting the help of others because I e-mailed the site yesterday, haven't gotten an answer, and am impatient. Also, if for some reason I'm misunderstanding their model and they couldn't plug in the 2004 Kerry/Bush numbers that would be good to know too.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:41 PM
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120: Poor Knecht, the cattle-drivin' hipster.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:43 PM
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120: Black lace-up boots? Like Justin's or White's? Or like these?


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I once saw a a truck with the business name "Ladybug Exterminators" on the side. It seemed to me like a bad choice of name for an exterminator.


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Just like the "Original Smoke Jumper," Wrongshore.
Exactly. (Including the lift, which he doesn't need.)


Posted by: Fleur | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:52 PM
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Knecht, the cattle-drivin' hipster

I love that song.

Oh, it's lonely out there on the prairie
But my bongos are all that I need,
With Ol' Paint, and the cows I'm a-driving
And my bowl and my Baggie of weed.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 3:55 PM
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I am Shiva, destroyer of threads.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:19 PM
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Shiva the hipster destroyer cowboy.


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To those who follow such things- outside of the Dixie Chicks, are there country performers who are more blue than red? I'm not listening to much radio these days.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:25 PM
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Steve Earle. And Lyle Lovett, if he counts.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:29 PM
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If Lyle Lovett doesn't count, something's wrong.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:30 PM
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Willie Nelson.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:30 PM
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130: Hell yeah.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:33 PM
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130: It depends on how you define 'country', I think. Not that I'm really up on the political positions of the Drive-By Truckers.


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:33 PM
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Shit, Merle Haggard, these days.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:35 PM
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135: DBT is more Southern rock than country, though.


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Free Watchmen "motion-comic" at iTunes. (A.V. Club)

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137: Well, yeah. There are artists I think of as being in that whole sort of alt.country constellation who're a lot more, I don't know, classic? Nashville-y? in their sound.


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:42 PM
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Tim McGraw


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:43 PM
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I have a friend about my age who spent an entire summer in his teens alone with his dad and a few hundred cattle in a valley in Idaho. He absolutely hated it. The isolation gave hime the creeps, and his dad was 70 years old by then, and cattle are not conversationalists.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:43 PM
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Well, As regards Waylon, Willie and the boys, I was more referring to the content of their lyrics, as opposed to personal views. Any war protest songs, or do we only have bad movies so far?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:46 PM
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There's a predatory ladybug here that takes over houses. You can come home one day and find thousands of them in your home. It's actually a different species called an Asian Beetle, but you couldn't tell them apart if you didn't know that.

The first winter I came home we also had box elder bugs all over the place. Both species are a pretty orange and black, and they don't make messes or spread disease, though the Asian beetle occasionally nips someone.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:47 PM
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Ladybugs are good predators, JE. Put a bunch on your roses to control the aphids. We used to release thousands into the groves.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:50 PM
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The Dixie Chicks...of course.

Texas country singers seem more likely to be blue than the deep south ones.


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We had no aphids in our home. Only lady-type-bugs. They didn't eat the box elder bugs, either. We also had bats, and snakes under the back porch. We were close to nature.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:52 PM
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Any war protest songs, or do we only have bad movies so far?

Willie Nelson is way way left now -- sings protest songs regularly on tour. He'll be performing at this year's Democratic convention.

Of course, Merle Haggard had that protest song a few years ago about Iraq.


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23: He says the only people who wear cowboy boots here are little kids, college-aged women, strippers, and Mexicans.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:55 PM
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Haggard supported Hillary. I hope he's not a PUMA.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:56 PM
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Any war protest songs

James McMurtry, "We Can't Make It Here Anymore".


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:58 PM
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43: "Cowboy boots are sogay" goes back to "Midnight Cowboy", 30 or 40 years ago.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 4:58 PM
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Fuck all y'all for having the fuck you thread when I wasn't around.

Re. cowboy boots: awesome, but sadly uncomfortable for walking in. When I rode, I rode English style (swipple!), so. I want to get PK some cowboy boots, though, and am on the lookout for the perfect cowboy belt buckle for myself.

Mr. B. has an awesome, awesome cowboy-type hat (really, a Mexican hat) that he got at the swapmeet where I got the belt that needs a buckle. He wears it all the time. It's totally awesome. The other day I drove past him riding home from work on his bike and almost didn't recognize him; he looked like a Mexican laborer.

I realized who he was, though, and stopped to give him a ride the rest of the way.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:00 PM
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Willie Nelson, who wrote "Crazy" for Patsy Cline, has been around long enough to still be a Democrat from the days when all southerners were Democrats. Thank you Mr. Lincoln. Plus he was busted for pot and for income tax, so he has always been a hippie, really.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:02 PM
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Riding English style isn't swipple. Swipple gestures at the gente. English style gestures at the lord of the manor.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:04 PM
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I have a copy of one of Willie Nelson's first vinyl albums, and he's a mousy-looking guy with short hair. He always wanted to be a singer, but the biz people didn't like his voice so he was a songwriter first.


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John Prine. I have no specific evidence to back it up, but I like to assume that Lucinda Williams, Kelly Willis, and Robert Earl Keen all have good politics.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:06 PM
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Also Mary Chapin Carpenter.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:06 PM
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Willie Nelson, who wrote "Crazy" for Patsy Cline

What?!?!?

boy, I thought that song was recorded in like 19340 or something.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:06 PM
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My Mexican-American nephew-in-law is more cowboy than most Texans. In style, I mean. He never worked as one.


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154: I just wanted to be able to jump, man.


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153: no, it's not just some inherited identification. Willie's for real a hippie leftist -- into peace n' love, environmentalism, all kinds of activism, etc. I think he runs his tour bus on vegetable oil or something like that.


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Willie Nelson is an underrated guitarist. He doesn't showboat -- he's just uniquely expressive.

His voice always makes me happy too. I made my peace with being more a Willie guy than a Cash guy recently. (I'm also more a Paul guy than a John guy, which was a hard one to realize.)

People should listen to Highwayman. Willie, Cash, Waylon, Kris. Batshit crazy song about reincarnated highwaymen that ends with Cash in outer space.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:11 PM
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I have no specific evidence to back it up, but I like to assume that ... Robert Earl Keen [has] good politics.

Well, he's done some stuff with Reckless Kelly, who in turn have a genuine protest song in "American Blood".


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:15 PM
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Willie Nelson is God, basically.

I made my peace with being more a Willie guy than a Cash guy recently.

I realized this almost instantly. There's really no comparison in terms of musical talent and depth of feeling.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:21 PM
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I used to love Toby Keith, but that was before I read Camus.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:23 PM
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Thing is Willie Nelson is pretty much recognized as great. I think Waylon Jennings is the underrated one, a sensational songwriter. Another guy I'd put ahead of Johnny Cash.


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164: But Willie never shot a man in Reno. "Stardust" was my parents' pre-dinner music--so boring! And the first American Recordings came out as I was just getting into college and quite susceptible to cowboy cool.


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152: on the lookout for the perfect cowboy belt buckle for myself

East Lake St. boutiques, next time you're in town.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:39 PM
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I wore cowboy boots in my brief 80s-glam-rock phase. I had to run like fuck in them once, chased by a bunch of football casuals.

Also, Willie Nelson is great. Compositionally, quite jazzy in places -- like a lot of the stuff that's more 'western' than 'country'.


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I am *not* buying a cowboy belt buckle in freaking Minneapolis when I live in So. California.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:41 PM
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No, you totally should. That's the post-swipple way to do things.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:42 PM
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I wore cowboy boots in my brief 80s-glam-rock phase.

TMI.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:44 PM
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Whatever. I just need to get my ass to the feed store. Yee-haw.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:44 PM
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Here ya go, B.

http://www.bwild.com/bibebu2.html


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:47 PM
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I wore cowboy boots to UnfoggedyCon.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 5:48 PM
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That's not cowboy. That's mod, or rocker, or god knows what the kids are calling it these days.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:07 PM
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176: That's mod, or rocker, or god knows what the kids are calling it these days.

"Scene".


Posted by: Lunar Rockette | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:10 PM
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Wever.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:12 PM
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Picky picky
http://www.mrboots.com/general_store/index.html?loadfile=catalog107_0.html


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:16 PM
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I really am just going to go to the feed store at some point.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:18 PM
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I'm sure you could wear this to the next PTA meeting

http://www.mrboots.com/general_store/index.html?loadfile=catalog107_0.html


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:20 PM
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Wrong link. Sadly, this belt buckle is no longer available, and I never did buy it at the time.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:26 PM
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Yoni be praised, that is a belt buckle worth having!


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:28 PM
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Willie N.'s attempts at Ellington and jazz-lite would not make win the pitchers of oly at a valley talent nite; but he's got a name, and the mountain man vibe, so......Toby K. is to muzak as like Bush is to Jefferson .......

tonality : c'est mort


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166:Word

Prefer Waylon & Merle to Willie & Cash. Nelson has always had something of a bad lounge act about him. I think Cash is insincere. Haggard is the real thing.

Currently listening to just tons of contemporary bluegrass. It fits right in with the English progressive folk/Celtic. Tim & Molly O'Brien. Chieftains with Hiatt and Patty Griffin singing.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 6:42 PM
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It isn't country, but this reminds me, I just listened to two different versions of "The Ballad of Ira Hayes" both superb.

Neither are Johnny Cash's version, but here is Peter LaFarge's original and a late Townes Van Zandt cover.

The both break my heart, with very different performances.


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Townes ain't country? Whatever. Got Hazel Dickens covering that.

I am tempted to type out another playlist, 20-30, just artists. Haven't done that in a while.

I dont recognize most of the artists in your mixes, and y'all won't know some of mine.


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frank zappa doing parodies of dylan, hippies, cowboy muzak: c'est beauté. ah yeah unfogged FZ days........a garlic aroma that could level tacoma............


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I wear cowboy boots. To work, including court.

I worked briefly at the stockyard whereat, as previously noted, I bought my wife a goat for her birthday. Surprise! We weren't married yet. I have no idea what she was thinking marrying me anyway.

I listened to Terry Allen's Lubbock album today. The Great Joe Bob is more than worth it.


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Aw hell, just to confirm how tasteless, eclectic, nihilistic I really am, when out of the performance art role, my current playlist, 67-93

Magna Carta
Mellow Candle
Carole King
Mississippi John Hurt
Ginny Hawkes & Kay Justice
Mary Z Cox
Tracy Chapman
T.I.M.E.
Bohemian Vendetta
Waylon Jennings
The Paupers
Kimmie Rhodes
Muckram Wakes
The Leaves
Family
Gordon Lightfoot
Marie Celeste
Blackmore's Night
Paul Butterfield
Alison Krauss
Robert Cray
Downliners Sect
Bohemian Vendetta
Doyle Bramhall
Robben Ford
Al Stewart
Early Day Miners
Josefus
Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee
Coco Robicheaux
and lastly

Chris Rea - Tell Me There's a Heaven


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 7:10 PM
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My son's band plays classic country (ca. 1950-60) in Denmark, Sweden, and Germany. They seem to love it over there. It's apparently a riffraff crowd.


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I think Cash is insincere. Haggard is the real thing.

Sincerity is overrated, Bob. Especially in music. And especially especially in Country & Western music. There are individual Haggard songs which I like better than anything Cash has ever done, but Johnny gets the better of this particular contest on points alone. But at least Merle never recorded anything as embarrassing as Johnny's cover of "Redemption Song."

There's only a few months out of the year when I want to wear boots, but I have a pair of cowboy boots for just those occasions. I'd really like to find an old pair for nothing that I could spray paint bright blue or silver or something.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 8:29 PM
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Kelly Willis

Now that's funny. I haven't thought of her in forever, but when I saw TLL's comment in 130, she was the first name that popped into my head. And I have no data whatsoever on what her politics are; it's purely a guess.

Not even slightly country, but I saw Michael Franti for the first time a while ago, and liked him tremendously. Somehow I suspect that about 70% of his appeal is in the live shows, though.

(There's just something endearing about a man who pauses on stage to smile reminiscently over the terrific night 20 years before when his son was conceived.)


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Townes ain't country? Whatever.

I thought about that, but the distinction had already been made between Texas artists and everyone else, and Townes is very clearly Texas.

Got Hazel Dickens covering that.

I'd like to hear that. Though I'm not sure I can deal with another version right now.

Did you listen to the versions I posted?


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Got Hazel Dickens covering that.

I should add, your earlier mention of Rosalie Sorrels prompted me to get one of her CDs which I really appreciate.


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Cash's NIN's _Hurt_ was nihilistic with great feeling.

To me, Suzanne Vega or Michelle Shocked and KD Lang are country. If the Tommy Hunter show was on Netflix I could mine it to show my taste has less overlap with McManus.


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I endorse Willie Nelson, but I think the Leaves (the ones who are happening) aren't very good. There's a Chicago band of much more recent vintage called the Leaves, and I like them.


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Highly recommend the Van Zandt documentary, Be Here to Love Me: A Film About Townes Van Zandt. One thing that I was not aware of was that he came from a wealthy family. However, I am with the "citation needed" folks at Wikipedia on the following claim: Van Zandt was being groomed for Texas governorship, but it is nice to think about (he was born two years before George W Bush).


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Ogged was and presumably remains a big van Zandt fan.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 9:40 PM
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199: Yes. So nice to think of them together up in heaven.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 9:43 PM
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If only Kobe were there to join them.


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Ogged is going to the other place and don't kid yourself.


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W-lfs-n I have a lot of 60s psych that is less than good. I collect it. The Leaves are pretty bad, though, without redeeming...anything. But I collect "Hey Joe"s Downliners have a reputation as terrible, but I think they're fun.

Bohemian Vendetta did a version of "House of Rising Sun" that's groovy. The Frijid Pink version took twenty years away from the lady some months back.


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Ogged was and presumably remains a big van Zandt fan.

I had never even heard of Van Zandt until Ogged sent me a clip. Sniff.


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Since nobody has bitched about the waste of bandwidth in 190, what the hey. 65-75 psych, Directory "L"

Subdirectories:Lamb (SF), Led Zeppelin, Lemon Pipers, Litter, Little Feat, Lothar & Hand People, Love, Love Affair, Legends

Main Directory:Freddy Linquist, Lacewing, Lazy Smoke, Leaves, Lectric Music Revolution, Left Banke, Left End, Legend, Lemon Drops, Les Fleur de Lys, Leviathan, Liberty Bell, Lightyears Away, Lily & Maria, Lincoln St Exit (Phoenix), Linn County, Lisker, Listening, Little Boy Blues Band, Liverbirds, Locomotiv GT, Locomotive, Locomotive, Lollipop Shoppe, Lord Sitar, Los Bravos, Lost & Found, Love Cry Want, Love Sculpture, Lovin Spoonful, Lyd, The Last James, The Last Ritual, The Lemon Fog, The Loading Zone, The Love Exchange, The Loved Ones


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-30-08 10:30 PM
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Ogged is going to the other place and don't kid yourself.

What? The bathhouse?

max
['Down. Low.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 8:11 AM
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Ogged was and presumably remains a big van Zandt fan.

I thought Ogged liked him, but thought he was overrated (or, at least, didn't consider himself a "fan" of Townes Van Zandt).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 9:02 AM
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Lollipop Shoppe

Those blokes rocked way f-n deeep. Shoppe in da House, y'all.

Rilly country/folk/rock/blues hymns mostly function as a sort of quasi-baptist revival meeting, NASCAR soundtrack, hick casino-brothel accompaniment . A large-scale spectacle like the Stones extends that, provides entertainment on the yankee pirate-porno ship....at least a ghoulish genius like Jelly Roll Morton took the gospelly-minstrel noize, the cathouse vamps, added boo-coo sophistication, some mozarty complexity, and attempted Ahht.


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I have, for whatever reason, a very clear memory from when I was very young of my father telling me that Cash was "the only man who made a career of singing out of key." Since my father sings woefully off-key I'm guessing this was a compliment.

I like some specific artists who are classified as country but overall it's a genre that leaves me scrabbling to turn the dial.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 9:29 AM
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209: Robert Plant says your father's wrong.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 9:30 AM
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Herb Alpert's Tiajuana Brass deliberately played out of tune to get a Mexican street band sound.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 9:32 AM
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tsk, Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, you "under-rated kitsch country" types really don't pick up on anything until Rick Rubin's rubbed your nose in it for you, do you? Try Kenny Rogers mate - specifically, the First Edition albums between 1967 and 1970 - they actually sound more like psychedelic Motown than mainstream country.


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212: he sure can fuck up a chicken, though.


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The First Edition albums between 1967 and 1970 - they actually sound more like psychedelic Motown than mainstream country.

I'll stipulate to the facts here while drawing different conclusions.


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so can any of us, given half a chance


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212: Fuck a load of Rick Rubin. Sure, he signed Public Enemy (producing their one mediocre early album in the process) and Jesus & Mary Chain, but the entire rest of his career seems to have been a calculated effort to destroy any goodwill from those two brilliant moves:

- Signed Andrew Dice Clay on a record contract
- Paired Aerosmith with Run-DMC
- Brought back RATM members as Audioslave
- Continues to bring back respected folksy singers a decade past their sell-by date for another album or two that can be release to polite critical applause
- Produced Linkin Park, RHCP (half point for producing the one album anyone considers good by them), Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, and 2 latter-day Weezer records
- Basically invented Rap/Rock, and SEEMS FUCKING PROUD OF IT!


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216: And for some reason, he was allowed behind the boards for a new Clipse track. Dammit.

Best thing to come from Rick Rubin's existance outside of the JAMC and PE signings: the Spank Rock song named after him. Highly worthwhile.


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the Cult album he produced wasn't bad but otherwise I wholeheartedly concur.


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217: Spank Rock's pretty worthwhile all around, though.


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by the way, don't you lot all wish you sent your kids to a state-run primary school where the summer fete was played by the Jesus & Mary Chain? We're hoping to get the Only Ones next year - they live down the end of my road.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 10:20 AM
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For what it's worth, I just posted longer thoughts on the two versions of "Ira Hayes" here


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New Roommate Has Elaborate Theory About How Kenny Rogers Is A Genius



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Raising Hell is the first great rap album ever.

I agree. I saw RUN-DMC on the kings of rock tour. They had some great songs but Raising Hell was really revelatory at the time. For some reason, RUN-DMC is underrated now.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:apfwxqu5ldje

Rick Rubin has produced some shitty-assed albums, but he stared off with some good ones:

# 1985: Radio - LL Cool J
# 1986: Licensed to Ill - Beastie Boys
# 1986: Raising Hell - Run-DMC
# 1986: Reign in Blood - Slayer
# 1987: Electric - The Cult
# 1987: Yo! Bum Rush the Show - Public Enemy


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Is Schaier merely a hipster contrarian with countless other, similarly irritating pop-culture theories at his disposal?


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The Mary Chain are another completely over-rated band.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 10:59 AM
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Overrated in the same way as the Ramones or the Bhundu Boys - they had a fantastic sound but very few actual songs, so people think they're better than they are. Although having said that, I'd defend "Automatic" as a genuinely good album and "Head On" as possibly one of my very favourite songs.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:05 AM
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Linkin Park is deprecated? Good thing I don't pretend to be kewl anymore.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:10 AM
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Cash was "the only man who made a career of singing out of key."

Lou Reed. And about 2000 indie-rock front men.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:11 AM
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Knecht likes Linkin Park?

Unsuspected depths.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:13 AM
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I thought the Jesus and Mary Chain broke up 13 years ago. And I'm someone who owns four of their albums.

It seems to me that each of their albums has one or two great songs on it and the other songs are like minor variations on that song sans catchiness. But the albums are not as interchangeable as you might think.

Darklands - "Happy When it Rains", "April Skies"
Automatic - "Head On", "Blues From a Gun"
Honey's Dead - "Far Gone and Out", "Rollercoaster"
etc.
(well, those last two albums are pretty similar)


Posted by: Fatman | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:15 AM
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222: a devastating riposte indeed.

Waylon and Willie are not actually kitschy, but really good. The whole kitsch-ironic thing is mainly worthwhile as intermediate stage to realizing you actually like something.

Of course, it could be that I genuinely like kitsch. But only if it's good!


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:22 AM
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Cash was "the only man who made a career of singing out of key."

A bit hard on Mr Zimmerman.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:23 AM
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223: Eh, I never liked Run-DMC very much. But that's probably because I first heard hip-hop after Paul's Boutique and gangster rap started up. After that, there's nothing that seems revelatory in the 80s Def Jam records (Nation of Millions excluded, of course).

I think Steinski and Double Dee, the Bomb Squad, and the Dust Brothers are by far the producers whose 80s work has held up the best.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:28 AM
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233: dude, Arthur Baker? No love for Miami? No love for Prince f'in' Paul? C'mon now. The 80s were a fertile time.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:31 AM
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I'm OK with white people being experts on rap music, but not with white people using the sentence construction "No love for...".


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:34 AM
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I'm okay with you not being okay with that.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:36 AM
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Fuck you, stop oppressing me.


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:37 AM
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You know who had some amazing production in the '80s? Queen Latifah. Every time "Ladies First" comes up on my iPod I get all kinds of psyched.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:37 AM
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My opinion for many years is that the problem with rap music of the 80s is that with few exceptions, all the good lyricists had really slow rudimentary beats (e.g. Rakim), and all the rappers with good beats had dumb lyrics. and that this all changed with The Bomb Squad and, to a lesser extent, "Buffalo Stance".


Posted by: peter | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:42 AM
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I'll be sure and let my dad know that his musical opinion carries no weight on Unfogged.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:42 AM
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J Cash had a bit of authentic western-noir (Ring of Fire as rockabilly Dante, sorta). Cash (or Haggard) seems sort of tame compared to like the picaresque Spade Cooley (as Jimmy Ellroy well knows): the difference between nashville outlaws, and real outlaws. One of Ma Barker's boys taught Chas. Manson some g-tar, reportedly.


Posted by: 8 ball | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:46 AM
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I've been listening to an old school rap compilation created from this book, and while I can't really agree with 239, I can definitely see where you could get that idea; a lot of the funkier stuff was just dumb for a while there, and a lot of the better lyricists were laboring with some lame-ass beats. But there's plenty of songs where both are great from basically every era (the early days were, honestly, kind of a wasteland. Any year in which Pookie Blow's Get Up (And Go To School) counts as a classic cannot be a great one for rap).


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 11:48 AM
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Speaking of getting up and going to school, has Unfogged weighed in on BET's "Read a Book" yet? The Black Panel at ComicCon this year--including Method Man, among others--was much in favor. (Link to animated video with a fair amount of NSFW language below.)

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1767003


Posted by: NickFranklin | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:00 PM
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Any year in which Pookie Blow's Get Up (And Go To School) counts as a classic cannot be a great one for rap).

Hypocrisy, thy name is Tweety. I have that track solely because you included it on a mix.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:12 PM
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244: hee! I knew losing all my old unfogged mix playlists would come back to bite me.

It's a great track, is what I meant. A fabulous track.

Or alternately, it's unintentionally hilarious (and a high point for Connecticut hip hop) but really not on the level of (say) the Jungle Brothers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:17 PM
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233: I'd forgotten that Arthur Baker produced "Planet Rock". I guess for that alone, he wins plaudits, though I mostly knew him for his work with New Order. As for Prince Paul, I've never cared too much for Tribe Called Quest and never listened to Stetsasonic, so I really can't say anything informed about his 80s output.

Miami, I don't know from Adam.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:21 PM
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Now, who can mutha-f-n forget the Magick Powerhouse of Oz?? With none other than Bobby Beausoleil at the helm.


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re: 226

Yeah, I can sort of see that.

re: 242

Tanya Winley's "Vicious Rap", which is about as old school as rap gets has a fucking awesome loop. One of the best in the entire history of rap music, imho. George Benson, of all people, playing on that, too.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:22 PM
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245: Oh of course! The Jungle Brothers! How could I forget "I'll House You"?


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:24 PM
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248: just off the top of my head, "Funk You Up" by sequence has a pretty boss beat, but suffers from being over-long.

I'd throw Coldcut in when talking about early visionary producers.

246: well, see? Miami was great. I'd really like to find some 2LiveCrew instrumentals (or, at least, dub b-sides); if you can manage to tune out the howling misogyny they had some great, great beats going on.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:27 PM
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More incredible early producers: Mantronik, Man Parrish. And I mean, tell me this doesn't hold up today.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:29 PM
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Those productions that are just straight lifts from funk breaks are so good. All that great 70s bass-playing going on.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:32 PM
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What always amazes me is how many of the early rap breaks were taken from basically contemporaneous songs, so White Lines came out when Cavern was still being danced to in clubs in NYC. Such a winning disregard for copyright; it must have been fun.


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251: Well yeah, Mantronix had some damn good stuff. Also some really not-so-great stuff, but I guess that afflicts everybody.

I didn't realize that Miami were the 2 Live Crew producers, they definitely did some great stuff. Have you heard the 2 Live Crew tribute EP by MC Spank Rock and Benny Blanco? Only 5 songs, and of course it's riddled with filthy and disturbing lyrics, but some damn tight production entirely built from 2 Live Crew samples.


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254: I meant Miami like the city. There was a producer who went by that? I couldn't remember any specific producers off the top of my head.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:37 PM
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Ah Kultur? You want Kultur, eh. Spike and city Slickers with My Old Flame. Das ist Kultur. Ah cahn't even remember her name......


Posted by: 8 ball | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:44 PM
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I'd really like to find some 2LiveCrew instrumentals (or, at least, dub b-sides); if you can manage to tune out the howling misogyny they had some great, great beats going on.

They have a long, long way to go to atone for the atrocious production on "Me So Horny" though. Seriously, I heard that again recently and was astounded at how shitty it was.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:46 PM
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provides entertainment on the yankee pirate-porno ship....at least a ghoulish genius like Jelly Roll Morton

This is just more of the even dirt-poor ignorant hillbilly West Va mountain folk cain't really know nothing about authentic suffering cause they're white. Let us enlightened bushwa white folk listen to that gangsta rap on some ghetto-blaster, and enjoy a little frisson of white privilege & guilt.

Fuck. Doc Watson & Muddy Waters might even have hated each other, I still see them as closer to each other than they are to Run-DMC or Grandmaster Flash or whomever.

And the hatin' on the bluegrass Jesus music while lovin the Staples? Lord help us.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:48 PM
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257: specifically, I was listening to "We Want Some Pussy" and, man, that's a jam, but I find that I can barely listen to it now, because of the lyrics.


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re: 253

Yeah.

I listen to a fair bit of soul and jazz and regularly spot breaks on contemporary hip-hop records, even now. But these days that's all stuff from the distant past and copyright cleared.

The early hip-hop stuff is more like the stuff a couple of years ago when things from the mash-up scene started to bleed through into the charts.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 12:52 PM
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Muddy Waters may be a bad example. Catfish Keith? Skip James? Sonny Terry? Piedmont?

Blues/bluegrass/country/folk? I listen to people too scared and hopeless to move to the city, where they can't even grow a couple taters to feed the kids.


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260: and it's definitely true that, barring a significant change in copyright law, there will never again be albums like Paul's Boutique, Three Feet High and Rising, or Fear of a Black Planet. Just no legal way to do it.


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Or it'll just be done 'Grey Album' style. Non-commercial.


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255: Oh. I thought you were talking about some producer I didn't recognize. Miami Bass was definitely the shit, and we have it to thank for much of Baile funk today. Apparently, the 2 Live Crew producer was called Mr. Mixx, whose only other work has been with the ever-illustrious Afroman (of "I Got High" fame).

263: Yep, exactly. That's why the mixtape scene is so exciting when not full of warmed-up shit.


Posted by: Po-Mo Polymath | Link to this comment | 07-31-08 1:08 PM
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