Re: In memory of Ogged.

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In memory of who?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 8:38 PM
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In memory of whom, M/tch. The fact that ben's out snowshoeing DUMBO doesn't mean our standards go to shit.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 8:49 PM
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I snowshoe upside-down.


Posted by: Dumbo | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 8:53 PM
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The "If Ayatollah once" line in the second verse is nice.

This song seems to be an older and satirical version of Toby Keith's actual worldview.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 8:54 PM
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Stanley, if young Ben's snowshoeing anywhere at all, there are no standards left to maintain, and maybe there never were....

But who the hell wears snowshoes in New York? This I'd like to see.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 8:56 PM
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We have standards?


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 8:58 PM
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And practices.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 9:25 PM
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Stanley, WMYBSALB? W????


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 9:27 PM
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What did cause ol' ogged to kick the bucket, anyways?

max
['Did he confuse the nair with shampoo and die of exposure?']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 9:34 PM
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Shit, I'm supposed to fucking *practice* now? Don't wanna.


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 9:47 PM
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This song seems to be an older and satirical version of Toby Keith's actual worldview.

Would that it were satire, but I'm pretty sure that it's not. Those amusing appearances on the Colbert Report notwithstanding.

Oh, but who am I to talk, not being "an American girl," still less an "American guy," who will "always stand up and salute," who will "always recognize"? Where I come from, up da' Bonnechere, baby, Jewel of the
Valley (Ottawa, that is, and Valley is what I mean), we can be dumbarse yahoos in all innocence, not having to bear the burdens of Empire or anything like that. Montréal was the end of the world to me when I was a kid, and my father once took me there to watch the Habs play. Jaysus.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 9:55 PM
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What did cause ol' ogged to kick the bucket, anyways?

Feminists.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 10:01 PM
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Feminists.

I fucken knew it.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 10:13 PM
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Ogged died because we failed him. Each and every one of us.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 10:20 PM
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Time for a séance. A knock under the table, the curtains blow ... Ogged, is that you?


Posted by: (O)CT(O)PUS | Link to this comment | 12-20-08 10:35 PM
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Flim of the night was Ozu's Tokyo Story 1953. My first time.

I can't seem to stop cryin.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 2:56 AM
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A knock under the table, the curtains blow

I did mine wrong - knocked the curtains and got a blow under the table - and summoned up the spirit of Fontana Labs.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 3:08 AM
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Here is a good essay on Ozu.

Ozu constantly inserts lots of what have been called "pillow shots" into his movies. Seemingly random inexplicable frames of village streets or clothers drying on a line. Maybe 20% of the movie.

It is my opinion that good haiku contains two images or ideas that are not rationally connectable. Haiku is a zen artform, to the degree it is unique, and formally should take you out of your head. Koanish, a haiku should be impossible to interpret or describe, only contemplatable, opaque until transparent, mirror until glass.

Ozu:"Westerners call everything Japanese they don't understand Zen."


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 4:03 AM
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The pillow word, makura kotoba, is a fixed epithet, similar to the Homeric "rosy-fingered dawn," "Ulysses of many devices," "cow-eyed Hera." Fixed epithets are common in primitive poetry all over the world. Many makura kotoba seem to have become attached to certain places, things and conditions at a very early period. Later, extensive dictionaries of them were prepared, and in unskilled hands they easily degenerate into monotony. Even Hitomara uses "vine-covered" for his province of Iwami, seemingly only because "vine-covered" is the pillow word for iwa, "rock." By the time of the Many?shū the meaning of some of them had become doubtful. An excellent example is ashibiki, the pillow word for yama, "mountain," which occurs in a poem of Hitomark's discussed in the notes. No one is really sure that ashibiki meant "tiring to the feet." That interpretation simply seemed to later generations a plausible pillow word for "mountain."

Link. Rexroth's heirs seem to have put his books in the public domain. A lot of his stuff is available in toto on the internet.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 8:03 AM
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I think that in general in successful art you can't say with absolute clarity what it's about. Otherwise the creator might as well just write an essay.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 8:26 AM
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I was really surprised by how non-ideological the music to this song is. I almost don't notice the lyrics at all. Not a bad song.

Was expecting something like Roger Hallmark's "A Message to Khomeini".


Posted by: Cryptic Ned | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 12:50 PM
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Otherwise the creator might as well just write an essay.

Which would put some of us out of a job.


Posted by: Armsmasher | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 3:21 PM
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I did mine wrong

You can't do these things all willy-nilly, you know. Or rather, you can, but then you get what you're asking for, mostly.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 4:53 PM
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Ogged isn't really gone, is he? I am like a prodigal son returneth, having been gone for a year or two, sowing wild oats, expressething hedge-fund trades and the like. But I couldn't bear that.

Does Ogged live, or has he just passed from this website. Verily, etc.


Posted by: peter snees | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 5:34 PM
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17: Damn you, Pants, I'm sitting here with my kids in the room and they want to know what I snorted at.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 6:24 PM
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25: they can't see underneath the table?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 6:32 PM
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I'm trying to keep them sheltered.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-21-08 7:03 PM
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