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BRING BACK ME.


Posted by: OPINIONATED UNFOGGEDBOT | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:09 AM
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I'm looking into it, actually, using xmpp instead of OSCAR, since the twisted OSCAR implementation (the only one that seems almost mature) keeps crashing every 4-8 weeks. (I'm pretty sure it's a bug in their implementation and not my code.) You know what's really annoying? People who mistake an API reference for documentation.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:15 AM
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BITCHES DON'T KNOW BOUT MY MANUL


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:21 AM
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I see this whatever it is is more than a quirk of the gods of dns propagation. Well, fuck.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:49 AM
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Were you down today as well, or was it a quirk of my workplace?


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:58 AM
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Hey! It worked! Ben is awesome!


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 12:30 PM
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This seems to be one of those rare "open threads" where we can talk about anything we like!

So I just want to say that I'm happy that spring is in the air (sort of) and that so much great stuff is happening. Of course, resistence to the G20 has been amazing and inspiring, despite the grim spectre of militarized police that is haunting all democratic action. Good work, limeys!

Also, I went to an action (which is ongoing) on Monday to resist the foreclosure of a house in the next neighborhood over. Yes, a lot of the usual suspects were there, but there were lots of people I didn't know, and good connections were being made.

On Saturday, I have a couple of activities to choose from: an open house at an urban farm site here in Mpls, or the first-ever official event to connect the struggles of Native people here in the US with the Palestinian resistance. Hopefully I can make it to both.

There's a lot of good stuff happening over the next few months at my own project, and things are generally looking up there, despite the lousy economy.

Solidarity, autonomy, action! What more could we ask for? And if the cops get in the way, we're gonna roll right over them, we're gonna roll right over them!


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 12:37 PM
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Hey! It worked!

Sort of. Things haven't quite settled out yet.

None of which should detract from Ben's inherent awesomeness.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 12:37 PM
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resistence to the G20 has been amazing and inspiring

Kevin Drum doesn't think so. But that's no surprise.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 12:39 PM
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9: Yeah, because one pundit cowering behind his computer is so much more effective than thousands of people taking to the streets. If there'd only been one anarchist protesting the G20, that person would have been worth any hundred nattering nabobs of blogitivity like Drum.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 12:46 PM
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10: s/b "bloviating blogitivity"


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 12:49 PM
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Did any of our uk correspondents burn a banker in effigy?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:15 PM
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I doubt it. Daniel is a banker. Alex and ttaM aren't really in that head space, I don't think, and the rest of us live too far away.

I admire 100% the spirit of the guys who occupied the City yesterday. I deeply mourn the man who was killed. I utterly deplore the police brutality. But really, carrying banners that say "Consumers Out" isn't going to cut it unless you also give up eating and wearing clothes.


Posted by: OneFatEnglishman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:22 PM
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The spirit of academic curiosity seems, most definitely, to have left my person for the day. Yet I know that if I give up and go home and attempt to indulge my desire for extreme laziness, that I will be fidgety and bored. How well engineered a being I am!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:26 PM
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Also, what is that extraneous comma doing in there? Get out of here, comma!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:26 PM
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No, wait, get out of here, "that"!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:27 PM
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13: "Consumers Out" is probably too ambiguous to put on a banner, but I certainly agree with the sentiment. It's especially troubling to me when people on the Left act as though changing their patterns of conspicuous consumption is a valid substitute for collective action. I don't think it's much better to define ourselves primarily as "workers", although there's at least a positive tradition to uphold there. If we buy into the myth of the informed, active consumer then we've pretty much already lost. Of course, we all need to consume food and energy, and use the various products of technology to live, but wouldn't it make for a better world if our net consumption and production stayed relatively balanced? Yeah, I ate a mango today, and maybe it would help things a tiny bit if I ate more local produce, and certainly it's fucked up that a whole lot of people in India can't buy a mango, while millions of them get exported. But not eating a mango is a poor substitute for going out and talking to your neighbors and organizing to change the way we all live. So yeah, the discourse of consumption and non-consumption should probably be set aside until we have stronger counter-institutions that could actually embody those ideals.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:48 PM
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"Down with consumerism!" is a great sentiment. "Consumers out!" kind of garbles it.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:52 PM
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"Down with consumerism!" is a great sentiment. "Consumers out!" is idiotic.


Posted by: mrh | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 1:55 PM
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No, not idiotic, overwrought perhaps. Inside each of us dwells a consumcer: we must put him out!


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:04 PM
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Fucking consumcers, always ruining everything.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:05 PM
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Also, I've rarely attended a demo where there wasn't at least one nutter with a non-sequitur slogan on their sign or banner. But I'm happy that nutters feel welcome to come and express their grievances as well, even if they are sometimes opaque to the rest of us.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:08 PM
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7: an open house at an urban farm site here in Mpls

Go to this one!

9: Drum is cautious. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

On preview: 17: I don't think it's much better to define ourselves primarily as "workers"

No shit. But okay, done with the composite commenting now.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:17 PM
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I prefer to think of myself as a "planet destroyer."


Posted by: bitchphd | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:23 PM
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Alex and ttaM aren't really in that head space

I did actually think about taking the day off work and going down, but yeah, I'm not really a riotin' type. Stiff letters to MPs is more my score.

Politically, I'm fairly lefty, I think [although like most people, not on every issue] but I'd much rather punish the bankers by introducing punitive tax rates than by calling them names at a demonstration.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:30 PM
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As soon as I heard on NPR that some London bankers were mocking the protesters to their faces and waving ten-pound notes at them out the car windows, I wondered what dsquared was up to.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:35 PM
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Also, I've rarely attended a demo where there wasn't at least one nutter with a non-sequitur slogan on their sign or banner.

If only because the RCP always shows up.

I'd much rather punish the bankers by introducing punitive tax rates than by calling them names at a demonstration.

These aren't mutually exclusive.

Their relationship is like the Marxist dialectic between theory and practice (You know, where Groucho insults you while Harpo picks your pocket.)


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:37 PM
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These aren't mutually exclusive.

Right -- they're complementary, on at least one theory of the way in which policy change requires public support. Blah, blah.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 2:47 PM
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Speaking of "speak, fools", this unnamed conservative website is still looking for unpaid writing labor. I can't help hoping that this is that new online Fox portal; I sure would love to watch that project fizzle out.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 3:52 PM
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Hey! Woo!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:01 PM
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20: Like a cat? Or by telling him he can't have that new G-Star jacket, no matter how smashing it makes him look and the color sets off his eyes so perfectly and it's 20% off and.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:02 PM
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Has entry Quiet, fools! been disappeared? Also, my RSS feed has it as entry 9708 which is now this post. There is no 9707 on the front page.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:32 PM
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You're on the new server Unfogged. We two are in the desolate, dystopian future, everyone else in stuck in the past.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:36 PM
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32: Oh, dude, you didn't see what happened in that thread? It was messed up! Like 10 times crazier than THAT thread, so pretty crazy.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:36 PM
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I can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows and Zoffanies;
I know the croaking chorus from the Frogs of Aristophanes!

W.S. Gilbert, "I am the very model of a modern Major-General," from The Pirates of Penzance

Bonus points to anyone who can identify "Zoffanies" without looking it up.


Posted by: dr ngo | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:39 PM
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It's me, the robot and the anarchist, exploring this strange future. Trapped in a world I never made.

Where are the flying rickshaws and nanokittens I was promised?


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:42 PM
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And the mad scientist.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:43 PM
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And then my comment didn't show up in my RSS feed. So now I have FOUR feeds from unfogged: a Classic Posts and Classic Comments plus the New Coke Posts and Comments. The with and without www is quite tricksy.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:43 PM
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So, Solly's tomorrow at when? I'm totally going to be there.


Posted by: Cecily | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:44 PM
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Where Solly's was is now just barren ruins, fading remnants of a once proud culture.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:47 PM
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I guess that wasn't quite idiomatic. I know how to spell idiomatic, at least.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:48 PM
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I think Jadis is at Solly's.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:49 PM
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Nslookup for me returns the same IP for both versions. I think I should close my RSS app and browsers. I suspect that everything will then point to the same place. But that means I'll miss the comments on the old server such as Ben's latest: This is infuriating.

Unfogged: proof of the many worlds theory.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 4:55 PM
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"But that means I'll miss the comments on the old server such as Ben's latest: This is infuriating."

Stop taunting me, you bastard.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:00 PM
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Can I be here too?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:01 PM
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Drat. I just tried posting on the old one (using the IP 72.232.37.10 to read it and open comments). But the post script uses the domain name and resolves back to here.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:03 PM
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45: Maybe, if you pretend to be my robot sidekick.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:05 PM
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Oh Brave New Site, that has so few people on it!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:11 PM
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They'll be here like flies on shit soon enough.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:12 PM
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Criminy. These comments are showing up in the www feed along with the .10 site's comments. But since the time stamps are not in synch these are showing up in the middle of the old ones. Hilarity (or mayhem, LB) ensues.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:15 PM
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I don't know where I am.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:20 PM
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51: Texas.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:23 PM
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OK, nasty old threads made disappeared, so I must be on the new improved U, with comity.

I love U all.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:23 PM
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You're in a safe space, bob. It's ok now.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:31 PM
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(((((cocooning in comfy company)))))


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:38 PM
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Seriously, hardly anybody is here yet? I figured people were just doing other things.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:40 PM
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There should be a meetup post. Please? I have forgotten the details and am too weary from being The Man (at the new job).


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:46 PM
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56: Everyone else was raptured. Only the impure of heart remain.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:46 PM
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57: Pending the go-ahead from wolfson (I can't believe I just typed that), I'll be posting precisely that. But short of it: Solly's at 7pm. Look for Becks.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:47 PM
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56: In other words, just us, economists, analytic philosophers and historians who defame Populism.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 5:57 PM
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So, like, Unfogged is Down for the rest of the universe. Amazing. I've actuallly been reading an ObWi thread from a von post over elsewhere; clearly I have been compromised.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:17 PM
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Huh, the new Unfogged.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:20 PM
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62: Pretty wild, eh? Shuffleboard tournament next Tuesday, signup sheet in the TV lounge.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:25 PM
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56: Everyone else was raptured. Only the impure of heart remain.

I am gonna be so pissed if Sifu got raptured and I didn't.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:39 PM
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64: He told ben: phone, sweetie. I may be slightly misremembering that.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:48 PM
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We should just invite a bunch of new commenters over. I think I'll go do that.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:49 PM
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Oh, whew. With at&t, there's no way he could be getting reception out there in the beyond.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:50 PM
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64: hardly seems likely.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:51 PM
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Fuck! Where's the old unfogged?! I knew this would happen! I need to know the end of the story of Heebie's mathematically forgetful student! I should have stayed at my desk.

Ben--when will the missing comments from the old server show up here?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:56 PM
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I can answer that: Never.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 6:58 PM
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Yeah, that's why I told all you guys to clam up.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:02 PM
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Brock, go here:

http://72.232.37.10/archives/comments_9708.html


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:03 PM
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But you can't just let them disappear. That would violate every sacred internet tradition.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:05 PM
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It will make the RTFA command much harder on newbies.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:07 PM
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Weman, I could never thank you enough. I am forever in your debt.

Wolfson, on the other hand, is dead to me.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:07 PM
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Anyone mind if I paste a big chunk of the Earth A thread? I kind of feel like Brock.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:10 PM
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Not that big.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:11 PM
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156: I know what Witt does.

**Miaow**

Witt is a perfectly respectable lady, I'll have you know.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:16 PM
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I put it in the other thread.

Here's something too:

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Reading scattershot backwards: "tohsrettacs."

Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:59 PM
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One of the things that's insanely galling to me is that she asks these incredibly basic questions during lecture, without any hint of embarrassment. I would find it MUCH less frustrating if she'd say, "I know I should know this, but I don't. What's this symbol mean again?"

Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:00 PM
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On the topic of befuddled undergraduates, I recently had cause to think how to phrase an editorial comment to communicate that the phrase "lack of women" might not be the best way to explain that men who are far away from their social context might turn to prostitutes and thus be at risk for HIV.

The scary thing is that this thing is going to be published. Please, please let someone at the university press catch this.

Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:03 PM
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My college roommate, in about month five of an eight-month calculus course, raised his hand to ask, basically, what the difference was between an integral and a differential. Whatever else happens, I'll always love him for that.

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Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:17 PM
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74: except for the comments lost in the day-and-a-half transition period, the archives are still fully accessible. I think most newbies can get the basic gist of the site's history just by reading all the archives except that missing day-and-a-half (even if they won't, of course, have the complete picture*).

*unless Weman keeps pasting it all here...


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:22 PM
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80=me.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:22 PM
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I think the 4% or so I've pasted is most of what was memorable, frankly. I guess it was fortunate most of that day was spent on a rather dull argument.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:25 PM
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Okay, who broke the blog? Emerson? Was it you?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:26 PM
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Should you be kind of pissed at your hosts? One normally doesn't get nearly as much trouble when you actually change hosts.


Posted by: David Weman | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:28 PM
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78: She's, like, a public advocate, right? She writes grants and stuff, maybe for a government agency, or a nonprofit, with a small American flag on her desk. So she produces documents for public consumption, does interviews and so on, these things are sometimes published in maybe journals of social research and such things. It's good work. That's what I figured she does.


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85: Well of course she does good work. She is Witt, after all.

And most important, I'm HERE I'M HERE I'M HERE. Changes have propagated up to my office.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:35 PM
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But you can't just let them disappear. That would violate every sacred internet tradition.

Whereof what one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent. Or we could just make shit up.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:47 PM
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DUDES VERY LITTLE WAS LOST GET OVER IT.


Posted by: OPINIONATED HOST | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:53 PM
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Um, weird. In my office it was all Old Unfogged, all the time. So I go out to dinner (boo-yah Unfogged 2-person meetups! I think I'm getting to be the champion of those) and by the time I get home, there's New Unfogged on my computer. And apparently people are discussing...me? Er.

Right, so the library gig is a sometime thing, and the rest of the time I wear a bunch of different hats.

Yesterday a kind older gentleman was recounting to me some sociological research on work (maybe it was anthropological), making a distinction between people who regard their work as a job (9-5, go home, find meaning and fulfillment from other things), a career (steppingstone to some goal/achievement), and a calling.

It's probably an old story, but he made it sound fresh and compassionate and it was easy to tangent to this story I read once about people who do clean-up after trauma (like, murder scenes and stuff) which quoted one woman describing her work in almost missionary, deeply caring terms.

Which is all to say...it is an extraordinary blessing to get to do work every day that you regard as a calling, and I wish everyone had it.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:57 PM
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89: We therefore believe ourselves to have found, on all essential points, the final solution of the problems. And if we are not mistaken in this belief, then the second thing in which the value of this work consists is that it shows how little is achieved when these problem are solved.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 7:57 PM
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Where before I had the new front page and clicking on links from this thread took me to the Quiet! thread on the old page, now I have the old front page back and links from there take me here. Eddies in the time-space continuum.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:22 PM
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Witt, maybe there's an indiscretion thing about saying when you have two-person meetups with people.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:25 PM
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Sweet Christ in Heaven, what the hell happened to Cape Verde?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:27 PM
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Unfogged 2-person meetups! I think I'm getting to be the champion of those.

Maybe not so respectable a lady.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:32 PM
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Which is all to say...it is an extraordinary blessing to get to do work every day that you regard as a calling, and I wish everyone had it.

Everyone hate on Witt for a moment.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:34 PM
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Witt, maybe there's an indiscretion thing

?? I'm pretty sure you don't even have to RTA to know I'm in Philadelphia, and in several years of commenting here I can't remember even one person delurking to say they are here too. I only get to have meetups when somebody contacts me to say they're passing through, so it's been by necessity rather than design that they've all been 2-person.

I'd love to have a group get-together, but there ain't no group here, as far as I can tell. (Just in case: I have a guest room now! I like guests. People should absolutely feel free to let me know when they are traveling through. I'm near a train line, too.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:36 PM
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97: Says the owner of Trollblog.

Oh, and I told a lie in 98. Tim Burke is in Swarthmore. Sorry, Tim. I didn't mean to forget you when I said no Philadelphians.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:38 PM
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98: Sorry, I was unclear. Not "indiscretion." Rather, sanctity of off-blog, etc. I only mean to say that it's possible that any number of people here meet with other people here, but it's off-blog. I'm quibbling, I'm sure. Carry on.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:41 PM
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But it wasn't a dream—it was a place. And Sifu, and Bisquick, and foxtail, and read were there...

No, Aunt Em, this was a real, truly live place. And I remember that some of it wasn't very nice.


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100: Oh phew, I've been sitting here wondering if people have been silently feeling offended, and consoling myself with the fact that Megan mentioned our meetup on her blog, and Sir Kraab *asked* me to meet up *in* the comments section here, and and and....

Right. So I'm the champion of disclosed Unfogged two-person meetups. I can live with that. I'm magnanimous.

New topic: Does everybody already know about Sociological Images? The post I linked to has a comparison of two photos, and in general I'm finding myself kind of enamored with their site these days. Uneven, but often enough really intriguing.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:47 PM
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AND I'M HERE!


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102: Although it is sometimes difficult to forecast the emotions one would feel under circumstances one has never experienced, I do believe I can say with some confidence that were you and I to ever to have a two-person meetup, and were you to, after the fact, disclose the existence of said meetup in a manner such as the one used above, I would not be offended. No guarantees, though.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 8:52 PM
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I think I need to lay off the ketamine.


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95 set me immediately to Google News. Cape Verde, in recent days:
- has declared that its national airline is insolvent.
- has contained gold deposits which attract UK contractors
- planned to increase water desalination, and to receive 767 escudos' worth of Japanese funds for water supply in rural areas
- hosted a joint CPLP/ECOWAS meeting which established a security force for keeping peace in Guinea-Bissau
- celebrated its soccer team's victory over Angola
- honored its Jewish history

And I'm not even going to spoil the surprise of this article.

But anyway, there have been no volcanos or tsunamis there, so I don't know what comment #95 is about.

Also, I had assumed Witt was some sort of professor in either New York, San Francisco or Cleveland like everyone else.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:04 PM
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wear a bunch of different hats

Outdoors, I hope.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:06 PM
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Hey, I'm a Philadelphian. You may leave the place, but you can never get the mark off your soul.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:06 PM
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Mentioning two-person meetups, whether or not they've been mentioned weeks past, when the topic has nothing to do with them, seems ... extraneous. Off-blog is off-blog.


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95 refers to a lost exchange from the alternate universe. For those that missed it, here are some important facts about Cape Verde, courtesy of Wikipedia:

Cape Verde is also hard to locate on a geographical map. It is south of Nigeria and west of Gabon. It is an achapelago because it is a series of land creating an island. Cape Verde was ruled by the europeans in the 1900's.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:08 PM
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Pop quiz, what's CPLP, and why was it meeting in Cape Verde?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:09 PM
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110 suffers from my not having refreshed for a few minutes. Sorry.


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I get the sense Witt doesn't like being discussed. And she may not even like her dislike of being discussed being discussed. Or maybe she just thinks it's weird, with a more neutral valence. So I apologize for discussing her. I blame Cape Verde, for I am beginning to suspect that McQueen is right, and we were trapped there for part of today.

Or maybe it was all a dream? Maybe it doesn't matter?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:12 PM
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110: seems ... extraneous

And therefor not in keeping with the Bauhaus aesthetic of the new blog.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:13 PM
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Naw really, man! That's what David Lynch is trying to say! It doesn't matter what's a dream and what's reality. The characters were both in Cape Verde and not in Cape Verde!


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:15 PM
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Hey, y'all, I've been busy with other things. Are we all done with the change, whatever it was?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:18 PM
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Today I found out that that one of the coaches for the Phillies has Cape Verdean ancestry. I'm pretty sure that constitutes the only Cape Verdean-realted news I heard.

There was a long, nice article in the NYT a while back. A little atomospheric and analytical for a place where your fellow human beings actually live their daily lives, but generally a nice piece. Problems with young folks moving away to get educated and never coming back, that sort of thing. Not unlike large swaths of our country.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:18 PM
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Thank God for 115. I was beginning to think I was the only one who saw the dancing dwarf.

the Bauhaus aesthetic of the new blog

Form has always followed function here, hasn't it?


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113: Someone who doesn't like being discussed doesn't mention the university press publisher vetting written remarks, being on the radio and fretting over that, having trouble finishing a grant proposal and working late on it, the number of meetups being had, and so on. I get the theory, though. I do.

Really, smile.


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Catching up: Yo, Walt, where the heck are you, dude? I honestly thought you weren't here. Or do you just mean you know what Krimpets and Irish potatoes are?

eb obviously is not recalling that sartorial rules are different for women. I get to wear my cool hats indoors, dude. It's only the baseball cap that has to come off.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:22 PM
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109 -- I have it on good authority that one of the people explained some of the transition stuff to the other person. Surely this is germane enough for an Unfogged comment.

In any event, indiscretion is waivable, and, here, waived.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:23 PM
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I'm going to let this go. I'm really sounding like a schmuck. Sorry about that.


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I grew up in Philly. I'm sadly in a red state hellhole, though I know a place that sells Krimpets.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:25 PM
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As far as Grytviken goes, South Georgia seems to have the bottom slot in the Georgian hierarchy pretty securely nailed down. I'd rank Caucasian Georgia first by a long way, and then American Georgia a distant second, and then South Georgia a distant third. If there were 2 to 4 additional Georgias, the jumps might not be quite so striking.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:35 PM
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I'm so confused.

What is the name of this thread? And what in the name of all that is holy are "Krimpets"?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:35 PM
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What is the name of this thread?

Brek kek kek kek koax


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:37 PM
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what in the name of all that is holy are "Krimpets"?

MC, out of respect for you and all that you have endured in the face of donut-trolling (what is the name of that Canadian place again?), I'll just say that Krimpets are local sugary fatty delicacies made by Tastykake and it is impossible to grow up in the Philadelphia area, particularly listening to the Phillies, and not know of them, even if not to eat them.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:38 PM
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110

... but I think most people who think they're bad at math are actually pretty normal at math.

That's because it is normal to be bad at math.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:39 PM
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When Cape Verde declared independence, Le Monde reported that crocodile hides was one of their three major exports. I told myself right then that CV was unlikely to become a world power.

I don't have this level of detailed knowledge about everything. Just about articles I happened read during the months when I was brushing up my French.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:39 PM
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Cape Verde is one of those little cultural crucibles, like Hawaii, where the musical culture is out of all proportion to area or population. Also like Hawaii, the Portuguese were heavily involved.


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what is the name of that Canadian place again?

Horm Tauntauns?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:40 PM
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130: This is a great album.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:43 PM
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Ah, here it is. I think I may have linked this once before. I forgot it was Jason DeParle:

MINDELO, Cape Verde -- Virtually every aspect of global migration can be seen in this tiny West African nation, where the number of people who have left approaches the number who remain and almost everyone has a close relative in Europe or America.
Migrant money buoys the economy. Migrant votes sway politics. Migrant departures split parents from children, and the most famous song by the most famous Cape Verdean venerates the national emotion, "Sodade," or longing. Lofty talk of opportunity abroad mixes at cafe tables here with accounts of false documents and sham marriages.
The intensity of the national experience makes this barren archipelago the Galapagos of migration, a microcosm of the forces straining American politics and remaking societies across the globe.

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130: Also Madagascar. All islands with extensive trade connections. Tarika's Balance is an all-time great.

Tarika's boss lady has a very shrap, snappy way of speaking. She's also entirely cute. She reports that everyone in the world is confused about Malagasy ethnicity: "So are you guys African or what?" (Answer: "What!")


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124: After 17 days and 800 miles in a small boat.

Ten days after landing, with frostbitten feet, Shackleton, Crean, and Worsely headed out on foot for the whaling stations, 22 miles away. With only a compass to guide them, they trekked over the mountainous interior of the island, with screws from the Caird sticking out of the soles of their boots for traction. Along with the compass the men carried only enough food for three days, a carpenters adze, and 90 feet of rope. Shackleton's drive to return to his men was great as he states in his book "South", "Over on Elephant Island 22 men were waiting for the relief that we alone could secure for them. Their plight was worse than ours. We must push on somehow."
After marching without rest for 36 hours straight, on May 20, 1916, Shackleton, Worsley, and Crean walked into South Georgia's Stromness Station. Unrecognizable at first in their rags and dirty faces, Shackleton and his men were greeted with enthusiasm and concern by the station manager, Mr. Sorlle. The whaling station members quickly reunited Shackleton with his men on the other side of South Georgia. They began planning a rescue for the crewmembers left on Elephant Island.

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:52 PM
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what is the name of that Canadian place again?

Tim's. Or Tim Horton's, if you want to get a bit pedantic about it. But if you wanted to sound like a native (Canuck), you'd just say "Tim's," of course. Tim was a defenceman who played for the Leafs (and also for the Pittsburgh Penguins or something, and maybe even for the Buffalo Sabres, but whatever).

I swear to God, I had never heard of Krimpets before this thread, I'm that out of the loop. They sound quite tasty, though.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:53 PM
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Now I want some Krimpets. I'm told on good authority (my wife) that they're actually disgusting, but I don't care. What I really liked was the peanut butter Tandykakes after putting them in freezer for an hour.

(What I really, really miss are the Entenmann's Devil's Food Crumb Top Doughnuts, which they don't sell anywhere else, since most Americans arteries are too weak to handle them.)


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133: So much more interesting than the Marshall Islands, whose diaspora stretches all the way from Hawaii to southern California. Plus northwest Arkansas.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:55 PM
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I'm from eastern PA and I didn't know what was special about Krimpets. I didn't know Tastykake was a local company, either. It was just a generic brand of trans-fat cakes sitting next to the Little Debbie and Hostess products.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 9:56 PM
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Is the survival adze a British public-school ritual thing, from Eton or one of them schools? I'm pretty sure that in a do or die situation I'd leave the adze behind.

Also the froe, if it came to that.


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139: You never noticed that they were fifty million times better?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:02 PM
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132: Wondered about that. I'll give it a listen.

137: OMG Entenmann's. When I was a kid in upstate NY, relatives from NJ would always bring Entenmann's crumb cake when they came to visit. I still remember exactly what it tasted like. I think it's available here now, but I don't want to know where, because I'd end up either disappointed or addicted.


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142: There's an Entenmann's factory thingum near here, a wholesaler; my colleague can get you all the raspberry cheese danish loaf you want at half price. You want? You sure?


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140: That 'the battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton' was something I learned in grade 10 history class. However, I also, and somewhat incongruously, learned in the very same class that Louis Riel was a hero and a martyr to 'the cause' ('the cause' left a bit unspecified, but, well, Catholic schooling in British-y Canada: not always a seamless narrative, to say the least). I leave it to you to resolve the apparent contradictions, if you will...or if you dare!


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143: Dear God no. I've pretty much lost my sweet tooth, but I could see devouring one of the crumb cakes out of sheer nostalgia. And then keeling over.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:15 PM
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Er, sorry! 144 was me.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:16 PM
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Tarika's Balance is an all-time great.

This, with her and her sister, is pretty sweet.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:22 PM
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John is apparently stuck at times in Unfogged's Evil Twin and asks: So, did Riel carry an adze at all times?


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144: And to add to the cool flags from the other day.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:34 PM
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So, did Riel carry an adze at all times?

I'd like to request that the Satan of this site explain how to negotiate the transition from the old version to the new. I have ceased to be amused by not knowing where the fuck I am.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:38 PM
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What are you talking about? There's only one version of the site. There's only ever been one version of the site.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:42 PM
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145: I could see devouring one of the crumb cakes out of sheer nostalgia. And then keeling over.

I can getcha a pan full of crumb cakes too, half price! It's like a foot long! Buck fifty! Whenever my colleague asks me about this, I'm like, um, no, no really, no thanks, uh, no. I'm having green tea and a banana, and while those don't go together, they do not go with Entenmann's.

I don't understand what the problem is with navigating the site. All appears normal from here, sans the dropped thread and a half.


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This is weird.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:51 PM
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I remember my father took exception to my (10th grade, or whatever) suggestion that Louis Riel had spent some time in an Asylum for Lunaticks and the Insane, or whatever. He thought we were too backward, probably, to boast of such institutions. But Da was wrong, of course, because he didn't know the history of 19th-century psychiatry. No doubt Riel was committed, and more than once in his lifetime, and they probably weighed his brain and recorded the measurements for posterity after they disposed of him. As a scientific example of political deviance, or something.


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152: There's another (soon to disappear?) thread elsewhere where you can leave comments that show up on this thread is all. Seems to be fixing itself. [waves hands a lot and points to wolfson]


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 10:55 PM
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155: Oh. I haven't been reading closely here.

ben's a total hero!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:03 PM
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It's the Overclocked thread where people are supposed to make remarks in favor of someone or other kissing ben.

Maybe that thread is broken.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:06 PM
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Lies.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:08 PM
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156: I may have oversimplified.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:09 PM
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Oh right, I neglected to praise neb for his heroic efforts. Did he make it out okay?


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160: He complimented on something me off-channel. I'm not sure he's the same neb.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:12 PM
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155: You mean the one you can access through the portal link in 148?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:12 PM
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161: er, "complimented me"


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:13 PM
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162: Yeah, I'm gonna walk myself out of this whole thing citing official cluelessness.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:22 PM
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Entenmann's is national now. But Tastykake is still a rare, regional treat.


Posted by: Wrongshore | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:23 PM
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Wrongshore, have you ever been to the old Van de Kamp's bakery in Glassell Park? My dad and I drove past it last week, and he told me how when he first moved to LA, thirty-some years ago, it smelled like sugar and baking bread for a half-mile around. He was like, "I guess white bread went out of style and they didn't want to switch to wheat."

Now it's a huge, abandoned bakery palace, with broken glass windows. It's still beautiful though.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04- 2-09 11:27 PM
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Tastykake is also disgusting. Do we need to have a talk?


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it smelled like sugar and baking bread for a half-mile around. He was like, "I guess white bread went out of style and they didn't want to switch to wheat."

There's a white bread bakery near the waterfront still in Baltimore that's like this: smells like bread for half a mile, which is kind of cool. Yet their bread is terrible. Conundrum!


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134. She reports that everyone in the world is confused about Malagasy ethnicity: "So are you guys African or what?"

I was going to say that Andreamenentania Razafinkeriefo identified as African American notwithstanding. But apparently his father was African (though a mere commoner).


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The Grytviken hellhole has been British territory for some time, but seems to have been occupied almost exclusively by Swedes and Norwegians. Draw your own conclusions.

During the 1930s, the Communists were a moderating influence on Minnesota's governing party, the Farmer-Labor Party.

During Minnesota's Communist era, liquor distribution was socialized, partly for Communist reasons, and partly because the Communist governor was a teetotaller who thought that state control of booze might serve to reduce drinking. You can figure that one out for yourself too.

The Communist liquor stores still exist; in fact, PGD met me at one of them here in Wobegon, lo these many months ago.

But do they give free booze to those in need of booze? No, they do not. What they do is make a profit selling booze to The People, and then give that profit to the parasitical robber-baron State. This is state capitalism, not Communism!


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I don't know why you insist on Grytviken being a hell hole. It looks quite fun for a quick visit, though I imagine the availability of arugula would be intermittent.


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But do they give free booze to those in need of booze? No, they do not.

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly -- only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

Why does everybody always quote me out of context on this?


Posted by: Karl Marx | Link to this comment | 04- 3-09 4:57 AM
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Dead Senile Communists are a bunch of killjoys. Free booze for all!


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the availability of arugula would be intermittent

Wikitravel says you need to bring your own food if you're going to vacation there.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 3-09 7:44 AM
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Irish potatoes?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 3-09 10:07 AM
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Apparently the new, up-to-date Unfogged has died, and only zombie Unfogged still survives. Too bad, New Unfogged.


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This isn't the thread I posted on.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 04- 3-09 10:11 AM
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Irish Potatoes are a local candy most often served each year around St. Patrick's Day.

It's basically marble-sized candies made from coconut, confectioner's sugar, some dairy product (milk, cream) and vanilla, rolled in cinnamon.


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177 disproves itself.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 3-09 10:34 AM
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NO IT DOESN'T.


Posted by: OPINIONATED CRETAN | Link to this comment | 04- 3-09 11:32 AM
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Actually, it doesn't, because 177 is cast in the past tense.


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Entenmanns are national, but the Devil's Food Crumb-Top Doughnuts are not. We asked about it at one of those Entenmanns stores, and they said that they don't transport well.

Tastykakes are like being wrapped in a blanket of pure analytic philosophy.


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Tastykake is also disgusting

Shut your mouth. I want a Krimpet so bad right now. Also, an Entenmann's chocolate covered donut.

Oh, and my state representative is Cape Verdean.


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