Re: El Arte De Avanzar "A La Carga"

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Are you quite sure it's not Ionesco?


Posted by: Bran Muffin | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:21 PM
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Well, even with my extremely primitive level of Spanish, I think I'd have noticed if it were dialog. And the author is some guy called Scott Alexander. Come to think of it, with a name like that it's probably a Spanish translation of an English book.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:24 PM
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1 is funny.

Does it really say "me deseo" and "to consorte"?

Finally, it reminds me of Mempo's Giardinelli's Imposible equilibrio, which is about this town in Argentina that imports two Hippos to deal with some scourge in their water supply. Might be a bit much for Newt, but maybe not. In any case it's very, very silly.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:25 PM
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And so it is.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:25 PM
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3: No, those are my typos transcribing. I'll go fix them now.

The book you're recommending is actually a children's book? The school claims he's reading at a third-grade level in Spanish, so he should be able to handle it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:27 PM
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I want! Just think, all my problems could be solved. I've already got the lumbering down.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:28 PM
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The book you're recommending is actually a children's book?

No, actually. I remembered it as being lighter than it is. I just went and picked it up, and it's 233 pages and actually kind of colloquial Argentine Spanish. But silly. I did remember the silly correctly.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:30 PM
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Some of the bits of advice do look appealing:

¡Eres un rinoceronte! ¡No hay nada que no puedas acometer!

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:30 PM
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And of course:

¡Maldito los torpedos!

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:31 PM
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Come to think of it though, if anyone has a beloved Spanish language children's book to recommend, at about an eight year old level, I'm all ears.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:32 PM
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... Really, how could I have known?

The store could have told you.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:35 PM
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10: Can you get your hands on any of these? Absolutely adorable little stories. Maybe do-able for an eight-year-old? (Problem here: I have absolutely no idea what eight-year-olds can read.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:35 PM
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¿Crees que los empleados de la librería está riendo sobre tú?

(Wow, my Spanish sucks now.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:39 PM
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11: Yeah, I'm a little cross about that. This wasn't a miscommunication about what I was looking for -- Newt was there, chatted a bit in Spanish, got cooed over for his accent and general charmingness, and then the guy (who spoke perfectly decent English) rummaged through a shelf and brought this out. He couldn't have misunderstood me -- he either had weird ideas about what eight-year-olds read, had the book on the wrong shelf because of the title and cover art, or was being a jerk. And of course Newt could have caught it -- he was flipping through it looking a bit baffled, but didn't pipe up until we were sitting on a park bench.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:39 PM
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Is the rhinoceros a particularly successful animal? Ionesco aside, one would think that being hunted for the purposes of traditional Asian medicines is not a desirable life goal for children or adults (Spanish-speaking or otherwise).


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:52 PM
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The logical conclusion is that the only thing separating the popular business press from children's literature is a dab of whimsy, which bridge this book crosses.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:54 PM
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15: I think you haven't really internalized the truth of the quote in comment 8.

16: Hey, are you new, or a name change?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:56 PM
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Is there a reason that "sitting on a park bench" has cropped up twice?

The bookstore employee is, alas, called upon to be a reference librarian as well as a mere retail clerk. It sucks to buy a book you don't like.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 2:58 PM
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Oh, k-sky! I just got it.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:00 PM
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17: Name change. I bet you can get it without too much trouble.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:00 PM
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LB, look in the LA thread if you're not getting it yet.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:03 PM
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The bookstore employee is, alas, called upon to be a reference librarian as well as a mere retail clerk. It sucks to buy a book you don't like.

Okay, in general, sure. In practice, asking for a children's book shouldn't be putting undue stress on a bookstore clerk, and being handed an adult self-help book instead is unreasonably poor service. I'm sure it was an innocent mistake, and the cover and title make it a perfectly plausible one, but I'm not bitching that I didn't like the children's book I bought, I'm bitching that the clerk sold me something in a completely different category than what I asked for.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:06 PM
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20: If you must, you must, but I wish people wouldn't change their names. You actually hit something that's sort of within the ToS's universe of possible names -- I did a doubletake when your first comment was coherent and reasonable.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:08 PM
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23: from what I gather h- has a good reason for it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:10 PM
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I have begun to blog under my own name (or under a pretty obvious pseud), and after considering the archives, I preferred not to connect said name too directly to some of the old pseud's personal revelations.

It's foolish to actually count on privacy -- and I'm fond of the old name -- but this seemed more prudent. I beg the forgiveness of the local nomenklatura.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:11 PM
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More to the point, does Newt like the book? And is he demonstrably more successful since reading it?


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:12 PM
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Wow, I screwed up that link something good. Sorry. This was the thread at my new blog that I thought you would enjoy, even though I didn't start it.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:13 PM
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Not Found

The requested URL /archives/would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion was not found on this server.

How long has that been up? Hilarious!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:13 PM
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I think that if you were a six thousand pound rhino, you would likely break your bed long before your consorte found you there.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:20 PM
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25: It's all right -- I'm just required by my contract to gripe about these things.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:21 PM
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26: I passed it on to Sally, who's older and reads better, and told her to tell me if there was any useful advice in it. If I notice her stampeding more frequently, I suppose I'll attribute it to the book.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:26 PM
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I didn't think first of Ionesco with respect to rhinocerni, actually. Instead, The Rhinocerus Horn, early buddhist poem.

Available via Google books, but Drat! "Page 10 is not part of this book preview." That's what I wanted, page 10. There, we might read, in conclusion, as it were:

75. (People) associate with and resort to (others) for some motive; nowadays friends without a motive are hard to find. Wise as to their own advantage, men are impure. One should wander solitary as a rhinoceros horn.

Page 9 is not as good, but is a lead-in. I can't figure out how to link properly to a specific page in a google books thingum, but here's a try


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:29 PM
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24: Who's h-? I may have k-sky's identity all wrong. It'll iron itself out, though, I'm sure.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:31 PM
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32: I'm seeing page 9 along with page 10 and the section you quote.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:34 PM
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33: The antecedent of "h-" is m-., k-sky.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:44 PM
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34: Oh. They will not show me page 10 somehow. Well, I have it it print.

But yes, the link worked out.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:47 PM
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35: No, I'm really lost now. I thought k-sky was [somebody]. Having followed some links, I'm confused. Sorry.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:52 PM
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I have begun to blog under my own name (or under a pretty obvious pseud), and after considering the archives, I preferred not to connect said name too directly to some of the old pseud's personal revelations.

I'm really confused. You're trying to tie your current identity here to your new blog with your real name, and not to your old identity here? Why not keep the old identity here, unrelated to your new blog?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:56 PM
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And I thought what parsimon thought.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:57 PM
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Unrelatedly, I spent a big chunk of the weekend reading Gaudy Night and being impressed. Is there other stuff by Sayers of the same caliber?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 3:58 PM
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[somebody] is MB irl, that i deduced from the Ebert post
k-sky i think is ToS when he's reasonable


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:00 PM
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The deadpan humor works well with adults (who don't read Spanish all that well), and might well do so for a bright 8-year old: the comic strip MAFALDA, from Argentina originally. I bought all the collected volumes available in the 1970s, haven't looked for them since.


Posted by: dr ngo | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:07 PM
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Unrelatedly, I spent a big chunk of the weekend reading Gaudy Night and being impressed. Is there other stuff by Sayers of the same caliber?

Try Murder Must Advertise next! No Harriet, but lots of great detail about newspaper advertising of the era.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:08 PM
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44: Indeed.

(Though I confess to being confused as well.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:15 PM
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44: You can clarify that any time you like.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:18 PM
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Uh, there was a comment 44 that I was responding to. But I rather like it the way it is now, all enigmatic.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:19 PM
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46: That's rude, but okay.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:21 PM
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Feel free to redact my 39, along with this, if that helps maintain k-sky's anonymity, though presumably one would have to do further redacting upthread.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:22 PM
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Oh, I didn't mean to be rude. There was a comment in 44, but it was deleted by the author, I presume, so I also presume that they'd prefer it not get repeated. It wasn't really important.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:23 PM
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I thought maybe I was contributing in the wrong way to the problem, so deleted my comment. Not quickly enough, I see. If K-sky would like any of the above comments selectively anonymized, you can say so.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:23 PM
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And everybody can pretend my comment 50 is grammatically sound.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:24 PM
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Right, I must not have been clear enough. Originally my #44 was comment #45. And I apologize, apo, apparently I'm really good at catching the comments right before they're deleted.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:24 PM
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40: Sadly, Gaudy Night is probably the richest of the Wimsey novels -- the rest are more mysteries than novels, if you know what I mean. But if you liked GN, really any of the rest are pretty good: I'd skip the first, Whose Body?, as the weakest, and probably the last, Busman's Honeymoon, unless you'd really gotten attached to the characters. The Documents In The Case is non-Wimsey Sayers, and I like it as well.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:26 PM
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I love Busman's Honeymoon, but indeed it really is best saved until you're good and thoroughly attached.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:28 PM
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12: Thanks, Stanley! I ordered the first one off abebooks.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:29 PM
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If K-sky could in some way make it clearer who she or he is, we could all just carry on. There's no problem, just confusion. Or, really, it doesn't matter that much.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:30 PM
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43: IIRC, there's one sentence of Harriet in Murder Must Advertise -- as the drug-addled Bright Young Thing and the victim's sister are contemplating a catfight over Wimsey, he goes off to have dinner with "the one woman who has shown no interest in laying claim to him" or something along those lines.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:32 PM
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I hate blue laws.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:34 PM
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56: The problem is that his real name is easy to connect to his current pseud, k-sky. He'd like it to be difficult to go from there to his prior pseud, because he's said stuff under his prior pseud he'd prefer not to be connected to his real name. So making it clear what his prior pseud was would be counterproductive, and speculating about it would be rude, particularly if you guessed right.

Everyone up to speed?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:35 PM
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59: I'm extremely bad at anagrams and word scrambles and the like, so no worries about me figuring it out. Although I did figure out soup biscuit.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:36 PM
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58: Indeed. NY's went away sometime in the last ten years or so -- I thought I was stuck with no way to buy wine on Sunday and none in the house a while back, and then realized that it was no longer a problem, and my heart was filled with a sanctified gladness. So the blue laws were really counterproductive.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:36 PM
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60: Don't worry about it -- there's no puzzle-type relationship between old and new pseud.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:39 PM
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And I thought what parsimon thought.

She was correct. Whatever "h-" was, I took it to be an attempt at a gender-neutral pronoun, for some reason.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:40 PM
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Speaking of reading-before-grade-level, have I already mentioned The Works by Kate Ascher? Search function says no.

Anyhow, it's an amazing 2005 book about the infrastructure of New York City -- sort of like David Macaulay, except with more text and no fiction and more realistic drawings. I think it is mostly intended for a 12-and-up audience, but it is exactly the kind of book I would have totally grokked when I was 8 or so. I highly recommend it for all children everywhere. The descriptions are detailed without being too technical and the graphic presentation is superb. It's like a book version of a really intricate SimCity 3000 run.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:41 PM
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63: Um, yes, a quick Google search made that clear, but I was trying not to directly say so. Shouldn't some of this thread be redacted?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:41 PM
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43: IIRC, there's one sentence of Harriet in Murder Must Advertise -- as the drug-addled Bright Young Thing and the victim's sister are contemplating a catfight over Wimsey, he goes off to have dinner with "the one woman who has shown no interest in laying claim to him" or something along those lines.

You recall entirely correctly! I was thinking when I wrote 43 that the line served largely to underline that there's no Harriet in the book, rather than to be Harriet in the book, but that's a little elaborate of me.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:42 PM
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37 is correct and would please be redacted?

38 is well answered by 59. Add the desire to establish a unitary blogospheric persona. The current pseud and the blogging are both easily linkable to my full real name, I just don't want them to come up in google searches of my real name. For the nonce.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:43 PM
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Murder Must Adverstise is definitely the second best Wimsey novel (after Gaudy Night). I sometimes wonder if MMA is really the best one and my love for GN is a product of my vast (and ultimately unrepentant) sappitude.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:43 PM
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47 is bizarre.

I've only ever read "Greedy Night", but I think I got the general Wimsey idea.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:44 PM
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59: Everyone up to speed?

No.

But I have no need to explore off-blog identities. So yes, certainly, I understand.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:44 PM
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I don't see how you can still not be up to speed, parsley, since your guess was confirmed as correct.

I also don't see why we can't make plain who k-sky is via clever use of letter deletion.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:45 PM
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Hi parsimon! I hope you like me in my new identity, we got along well in the old one.

Thanks for the redaction, blog overlords.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:46 PM
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71: How about if you're very curious, email me and I'll tell you who I used to be.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:48 PM
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67.1: Oh! Thank you, and 37 has, I see, been redacted. I'm sorry to have fussed so much about this.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:48 PM
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64: You interest me strangely. I must go find a copy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:49 PM
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Add the desire to establish a unitary blogospheric persona.

Interesting. I've been pretty happy with splitting into multiple internet personas.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:50 PM
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I'm embarrassed that I doubted myself. I knew it. I blame Sifu.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:51 PM
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Although I did figure out soup biscuit.

There's something to figure out with soup?

(Really don't answer this. I just felt like adding to the confusion.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:51 PM
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78: He's actually a rhinoceros in real life. Blog overlords, feel free to redact this indiscretion.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:54 PM
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59: I'm extremely bad at anagrams and word scrambles and the like, so no worries about me figuring it out. Although I did figure out soup biscuit.

Huh. Yeah, I never would have guessed his real name was "Coitus Pubis", but since you mention anagrams, it must be true.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:54 PM
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78: how did he get such a sweet postdoc?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:55 PM
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Fresh cranberry beans. OMG so delicious. Probably my reaction is helped by the fact that I haven't eaten anything all day, but went on a 13-mile(ish) walk.

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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:55 PM
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75: Do. I can't imagine growing up in NYC today and not having a copy of this book. You could take it everywhere with you and figure stuff out! Wouldn't that be fun? Parts of it might be a tiny bit opaque for kids under 12 or so, but hell, if you've already got 'em on the foreign-language self-help books, this should be no problem. And you could constantly return to it as a reference! So much fun!

I have to get a present for a 5-year-old by next Saturday. I'm thinking The Works would be too mature. Maybe some LEGO and a fairy tale book. Hmmm.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 4:58 PM
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75: Do. I can't imagine growing up in NYC today and not having a copy of this book. You could take it everywhere with you and figure stuff out!

If Amazon's "search inside this book" feature is to be believed, it doesn't discuss either standpipes or bridgeplates. This disappoints me.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 5:01 PM
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61: In Texas you can buy beer and wine after 10 AM on sundays, but no liquor.


Posted by: paranoid android | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 5:02 PM
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84: Well, if you want to quibble, there's lots of stuff that could be included that wasn't. The book takes a very common-sense, instrumental view of infrastructure and the politics around it, mostly for concision's sake, I would imagine. And yes, some of the micro-infrastructure is glossed over. But quite a bit of it isn't.


Posted by: minneapolitan | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 5:06 PM
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Thanks, rfts, LB, and oudemia, for the book recommendations. I'll look for Murder Must Advertise. (Neither my university library nor the local bookstore have it, if I believe their online search pages, which is kind of shocking. I suppose I'll order it.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 5:16 PM
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86: I wasn't entirely serious. It does look like a nice book.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 5:18 PM
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I'm about 80% of the way through "Gaudy Night" and nothing sappy has happened yet, so I think Oudemia just let fly with a spoiler.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 5:23 PM
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89: I thought the bit where Harriet gets the letter from Peter and is surprised that he doesn't warn her away from danger, but instead says that it should not turn her back and wishes her well, was touching, although not, I would say, sappy.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:01 PM
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Also, what an odd coincidence that two of us here would have been reading the book simultaneously.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:02 PM
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Thanks, Stanley!

You're welcome! They were recommended to me the summer before college by my Québécoise roommate in Madrid as "light reading that will help you pick um a bit of Spain-centered slang and culture while entertaining". I read the whole series in the month I was there. I'm curious to hear Newt's (and your?) reaction(s).


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:29 PM
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Are the BBC adaptations of the Wimsey mysteries available on DVD?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:50 PM
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I'm really not literate in Spanish -- looking at a page of it, I can read one sentence in four or so (like, the two bits I quoted in the thread I understand, but while I have a general idea of the paragraph in the post, I couldn't actually translate it). I keep on meaning to get back to working at it, but then I don't.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:50 PM
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93: Yes, they are. Two different serieses, so if you're looking on Netflix, and you want a particular one, make sure that's what you're looking at.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:51 PM
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The proper plural of "series" is "clitorides", LB.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:56 PM
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Yes, 90 gets it right. But I know oudemia is implying a happy ending, luv-wise.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 6:57 PM
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I'm kind of sad that unfogged has died.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 7:07 PM
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98: It's not dead, parsey. Everyone's probably just off watching this very exciting American football game between the Titans and the Bills. I mean, seriously, a punter scored a touchdown? That's unusual!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 7:21 PM
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Betting on one's own game?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 7:28 PM
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99: Stanley, you're the man. I imagine that's exactly it.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 7:34 PM
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s/Google/Unfogged/ in this comment.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:00 PM
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But hey, the wake should be fun.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:04 PM
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It's due to an an imbalance in the trolling: once, you could get good, quality trolling here, which would would sustain a healthy thread. But now Emerson's gone, Ogged's gone, and Shearer's been assimilated.


Posted by: Unpronounceable Awl | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:05 PM
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an


Posted by: Unpronounceable Awl | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:07 PM
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104: Trolling, even in its mildest form, has become noticeably deprecated: bad, bad, bad on you, annoying person!

But I mean, I could do ogged, and Shearer's still around. I imagine everyone misses Emerson. Oh, crap, I'll not get into the rest of the list of the lost. I will say: Stras.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:19 PM
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i thought stras is iirr, but i coiuld be wrong
and he visits Tw weekly if you miss him
sorry like to expose of course, maybe it's that, against manners


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:27 PM
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Oooh, yeah, I'd completely forgotten about Stras.

Also:
The least of the last of the rest of the list of the lost ..
Catchy.


Posted by: Unpronounceable Awl | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:28 PM
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Alligator tastes fishy. It's not entirely pleasant.

This comment should use pause/play symbols, but apparently I can't do those on my phone.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:28 PM
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I ate horse about a month ago, in Italy, and couldn't help having really weird guilt feelings - thought I would throw up but determinedly finished the meal.


Posted by: Unpronounceable Awl | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:30 PM
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I imagine everyone misses Emerson.

Emerson is coming back someday, right? (Or so the prophecies say...)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:32 PM
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111: With a pet dog for apo, which pet dog craps marijuana. OSTMWHYB.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:34 PM
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107: read, yes, I know that Stras comments at Kotsko's Weblog. I see him, and you, there.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:35 PM
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there commenting is like easier for some reason, hates and confessions, pretty meditatively helpful
wouldn't you comment there too, it's interesting to read people's confessions, funny sometimes, the host is a bit irritable, though he's getting mellower, now, the cause is unknown (TGF)
he reminds me O/d sometimes
but i sensed somehow O never liked me :(
let me guess again, the commenter-in-exile is JE
i'm like an extrasense or something


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:42 PM
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Further to 113: I mean that it's not against manners for you to mention that Stras comments there.

I understand that read is leaving the country shortly also; hence the party she mentioned that was in her honor. I think she'll be returning, though, although that's not clear to me. In any case, enjoy your trip home, read.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:46 PM
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thanks, i will
i feel sorry perhaps J left due to my too strong support i guess, otherwise she perhaps would have continued cheerfully her B scolding
well, i should stop, maybe iirr and Cie won't show up again now i exposed them, not good
but i could be wrong in both interpretations, it's just that, wild wild guess


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 8:58 PM
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Travel safely, read.

::joke about not hiking near the Iranian border redacted for lack of funniness::


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:02 PM
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116: I think you're wrong about iir, and I don't know who Cie is, but honestly, read, I don't think you've exposed anyone, so you shouldn't worry about anyone being driven away on your account.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:05 PM
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118: I don't know, I'm sure Michael Bay is very upset about having his anonymity disturbed. (I'm kidding, read. Have a nice trip.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:09 PM
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Maybe if you think you're exposing someone, don't do that. As a general guideline.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:11 PM
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as russians say schastlivo ostavat'sya all
it means 'stay happy/ily' , something like be well
118 now i feel like you doubt my insight and intuition / kidding


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:11 PM
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120 so i was right, wow, how intuitive me


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:13 PM
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but, sorry sorry, i stop being like this nosy, sure i too miss them


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:14 PM
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123: No worries, and I didn't really mean that comment directly at you. Probably just good life advice.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:20 PM
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Maybe I've become a little skittish, but can I really be the only one who upon hearing of the hikers in Kurdish Iran thought "hikers", yeah, suuure they were just "hikers"?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:24 PM
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can I really be the only one who upon hearing of the hikers in Kurdish Iran thought "hikers", yeah, suuure they were just "hikers"?

This was about 20% of my reaction. The other 80% was a judgmental "How self-centered is it to be that careless, given that the region is unstable, the countries are in a state of high diplomatic tension, and it's going to take a boatload of cash* and US government people-time to disentangle any mess that might occur?"

This attitude is why I could never work for a US embassy.

*Not a boatload of cash by US govt standards, but a boatload by any reasonable person's. Like climbing a mountain in a snowstorm and having search and rescue spend $50K getting you down.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:37 PM
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125: No, you're not the only one. I figured Special Forces or CIA.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:40 PM
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In light of 124 and previous, regarding exposure, I apologize for my rather clueless remarks upthread probing certain identities. I just didn't register that it was a delicate thing; it's happened before that we think this place is more private than it is. Thankfully, it's been redacted.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 9:44 PM
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In almost every news report about the hikers, the journalist is at great pains to mention that the region is totally beautiful and that people do travel out of their way to go hiking and climbing there, really!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 9-09 10:26 PM
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127: definitely CIA. Only CIA would be stupid enough to get caught there and have no better cover story than "we're on a hiking holiday!"


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 5:52 AM
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Only CIA would be stupid enough to get caught there and have no better cover story than "we're on a h- h-!"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 7:01 AM
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I note with the good humor that comes from time having healed a few wounds that Rhinoceros Success was the book being pushed hard by the small CLEC for which I went to work in early 2000 only to have its entire data services division collapse by early December of that same year.

Upper management of that company were of the Incompetent Enthusiasm school of leadership and remain locked in my mind as everything wrong with 2000. The fact that management gave every new hire their own copy of this book triggered alarms for a co-worker because, she said, "My ex was big into Amway and they about worship from that book." Later we learned that the management team was so obsessed with the Rhino as their patron icon that they had pulled strings and blown cash to win a sports franchise so that there could be a local team with the rhinoceros. They flew rhino flags and had rhino t-shirts for sale. They were so over the top in their obsession with rhinoceros iconography and that sports franchise that I later wrote a homebrew gaming module about a pack of vampires who fed exclusively on attendees of that team's home games.

I tell all of this to say that I have met some people who were genuinely obsessed with that book and therefore I advise that (a) you keep an eye on Sally and Newt to see if either of them starts carrying a little briefcase and talking about people being "upline" or "downline" and (b) it's probably safest, if one is going to have that book around, that it be in a language one doesn't easily comprehend.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 7:52 AM
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You wouldn't happen to know the Spanish for up/down-line, would you?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 7:54 AM
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Tangentially to the OP, here's a not-so-great photo taken just last weekend of me standing in proximity to a rhino.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 7:59 AM
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133: Oh, I wouldn't have the faintest clue. I understand just enough Spanish, after years of no classes and little use, to have recognized the book when reading the original post but that's it. My understanding from my old co-worker was that the book isn't Amway-specific, anyway, just that it's much loved by Amway types. I probably have my copy around somewhere if you want it.

134: Knecht!


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 8:26 AM
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132: I am always intrigued when management suddenly discovers a new *BOOK*. We've run through a number in my years (fortunately not fatal yet). I fondly recall an encounter with one outwardly ambitious co-worker who spotted the unopened volume (forget which) on my desk that had been passed out to all of us some time previously. "That's out-of-date", he said with concern in his voice, "now we're using Five Frogs on a Log*." Who knows, maybe they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. (Although the Amway "philosophy" is pretty pure evil, no surprise some Amway heir money is smack in the middle of funding the teabag/birther/healthcare crazies.)

*There are five frogs on a log, one decides to jump off. How many frogs are on the log? Answer: 5. See doing is different than deciding. You all now owe me a shitpot full of money.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 8:54 AM
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One of my workplaces did the animal=success thing with the raptor. They meant it as bird of prey, but my own mind drifted constantly to Jurassic Park.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 9:48 AM
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See doing is different than deciding

Different from, and you forget that the conclusion of a practical syllogism is an action!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 10:12 AM
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In the frog kingdom I believe "than" is the correct word choice.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 10:20 AM
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Frog order, not kingdom.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 10:27 AM
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138: Yes, thank you neb, my relatively unschooled vernacular is surely grating, and your selfless, tireless efforts to correct do not go unnoticed. As for the latter part of your correction however, one cannot forget what one never knew!

139: In the frog kingdom business world I believe "than" is the correct word choice. Sadly.


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140: Sez you.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-10-09 11:02 AM
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Babelfish is great.

"Imagínate la mirada de tu consorte por la mañana, cuando te halle en la cama!" gets rendered into this: "Imagínate the glance of your consorte in the morning, it finds when you in the bed. "

A "consorte" -- y'mean like Prince Philip? I don't WANT to imaginate the Duke of Edinburgh finding me in bed.


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143: My understanding of the word is that it's roughly the equivalent of the English word "spouse", and the Oxford Spanish Dictionary seems to agree.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-15-09 8:00 AM
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