Re: Well said

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Hubba hubba.

(No, I have no more substantive policy-related contribution to make.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 5:00 PM
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Because Craig's Facebook page says so?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 5:23 PM
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Actually, that isn't how.

He should really change that so it's not visible to just anyone.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 5:25 PM
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But who among us little people really would have the courage to invoke the Reverse Nuremberg Defense?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 5:28 PM
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I hadn't looked for his page when I wondered how you might know Mr. Segall's dating status, but now that I've seen it, I suspect that Mr. Segall doesn't need additional attention from the laydeez of Unfogged.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 5:29 PM
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i hate it when my ability to judge people by their facebook pages is found to be faulty.
This person's page would lead me to think, "Douche Bag," but alas, his letter makes me think otherwise.
I am now questioning so many fb first impressions.


Posted by: bend | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 5:37 PM
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|| A perceptive and compelling take on health care reform ||>


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:02 PM
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5-6: I have it on good authority a reasonably well-founded guess that the FB dude in question and the letter writer are two different people.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:08 PM
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You know, there is probably more than one person answering to that name on facebook.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:11 PM
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Hmm. I think I had bio lab with that guy.

(No, I have no more substantive policy-related contribution to make.)


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:18 PM
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10: With Broder? Were his reactions asinine there, too?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:20 PM
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Both Broder AND Craig were in my lab section. It was awkward. Craig was all, "Dude, that's a mitochondrion", and Broder was all, "Now, are we really sure of this? Isn't that still controversial?"


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:21 PM
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A name is an identifier for an individual. An individual is a being with but one name. An identifier is that which permits us to say with certainty that a person is who that person is, which is to say, is named so-and-so.

There can be only one Craig Segall.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:22 PM
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WHATEVER, TEXT.


Posted by: OPINIONATED FLOCK OF SEGALLS | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:23 PM
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I have a non-ben FB friend in common with the author of the letter to the editor. What a small, stratified society lives upon this world!


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:23 PM
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Dude looks familiar. But I think is yet another example substantiating the conjecture that I don't actually know anyone I went to college with.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:23 PM
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15 is bizarre.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:28 PM
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How so?


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:29 PM
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I mean, it's not temperate, but "bizarre"?


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:30 PM
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I mean the fact reported therein.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:32 PM
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To wit, that you have a non-ben FB friend.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:33 PM
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My nonben friends outnumber my ben friends.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:34 PM
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WELL AREN'T YOU JUST MS. (SOON TO BE MRS.) POPULARITY!


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:35 PM
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But your ben friends outdo your nonben friends.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:35 PM
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I'm keeping my last name, "MARVELOUS".


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:36 PM
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Sometimes my ben friends do my nonben friends.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:36 PM
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23: That goes with being a sorority girl.


Posted by: Gabardine Bathyscaphe | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:38 PM
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It's been fun to see with which Unfoggeders on FB I have non-Unfogged friends in common. The connection in this case, as in most, is via the university that all attended.

The only surprising one was between will and someone I know from activist circles in L.A. Mostly I'm surprised that there aren't more commonalities.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:38 PM
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Have any of you ever worked in customer service? Other than Stanley at 8, this thread seems to have gone off on a very unlikely tangent premised on the idea that this name is not pretty common.

I submit that once you've spent sufficient time untangling mixups caused by supposedly "uncommon" names, you gain a new appreciation for the scale of a country of 305 million and the likelihood that any given name you've never come across might still have several hundred twins. Some with the same birthdates.

(And for the record, the sentiment expressed in 1 was entirely to the content and merits of the letter to the editor, was written without access to Facebook, and does not reflect anything knowledge or belief of the letter-writer's personal characteristics, except his fine judgment in writing a letter temperate enough to get published.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:39 PM
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I share my name with one other googlable American, a Hebrew School principal in upstate New York.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:41 PM
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Sometimes I sign for packages at work when the receptionist isn't around. Does that count as working in customer service?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:42 PM
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Even Stanley seemed to think that there was a the "FB dude in question".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:43 PM
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Craig Segall is actually Craig Segall, a clone sent to infiltrate the DFH cliques and lead them to ruin at the hands of the Broders of Zurich.

Or he's some guy, at any rate.

max
['Indicting Dick Cheney would CAUSE INFLATION TO RISE.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:45 PM
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32: I assumed 5 and 6 were referring to the first FB result that came up upon googling, a reasonable assumption, I put it to you!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:46 PM
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The connection in this case, as in most, is via the university that all attended.

I don't think everyone here went to the same school...


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:48 PM
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34: Ah. Different dudes.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:49 PM
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anything


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:50 PM
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29 this thread seems to have gone off on a very unlikely tangent premised on the idea that this name is not pretty common.

I was going off on the "the Craig Segall who shows up on Facebook as an alum of U Chicago and Stanford who now lives in DC is probably the one neb knows and who wrote the letter" tangent. Especially since his latest status update is about that letter.

I have 4 FB friends in common with the guy, compared to only one with neb. Who is not one of the 4.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:51 PM
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A link to this letter, and the face of someone who a mouse click reveals to be named Craig Segall, are at the top of my FB "Highlights" section, despite my not being friends with Craig Segall. (Text below the link informs me that someone whose name is "nosfloW beN" in reverse commented on that link. Apparently FB thinks that whatever this "nosfloW" character does should be the highlight of my day.)

So I assumed that the CS who posted the link was the same CS who wrote the letter, but you never know these days, with these kids and their identity games.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:52 PM
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I think it's clear that the letter was ghostwritten by Bill Ayers.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:53 PM
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Huh. It seems that the Craig Segall who comes up as the first Facebook result in a google search is not the same Craig Segall who comes up as the first result in a Facebook search. (Being instead the second.) The correct Craig Segall is the latter.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:56 PM
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I don't think everyone here went to the same school...

Maybe not, but I would say there's a surprisingly small number of schools represented among the regular commenters.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 6:59 PM
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41: FB search results seem to take into account the proximity of individuals to your social network. (E.g., friends in common and networks in common seem to bump people to the top of your search results.) Presumably CS isn't far from your current social network, and as such, it's no surprise that he would show up atop your results. Google search results, of course, are ranked differently.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:01 PM
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I have no idea why, but 33.last is making me laugh.

And teo gets it completely right in 42. Well, not the answer to life, but otherwise.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:01 PM
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That would explain it. Thanks, Otto.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:02 PM
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Anyway, what the fuck did I do with my keys?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:02 PM
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Your piano keys?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:02 PM
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Maybe the elephant took them back.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:03 PM
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You set them down in a non-standard place near the fridge, bathroom, or computer, while distracted by the cell phone conversation you were having as you walked in the front door.

Alternatively, they're still in the front door.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:04 PM
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Your Florida Keys?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:06 PM
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Whoa. On top of the kitty litter box in the bathroom. Did *not* see that one coming!

(n.b., I am not a cat owner; I am a cat sitter.)


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:06 PM
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And that's how Otto got his keys back.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:07 PM
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The End.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:07 PM
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His mon keys?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:08 PM
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His lac keys.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:09 PM
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Now, where did I put my otto?


Posted by: Alicia Keys | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:09 PM
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It's the bottom of the ninth. The bases are loaded. We are down by three with two outs. Where the fuck is Otto?


Posted by: The Yankees | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:11 PM
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1: Thanks!
5: More attention is fine. Believe me.
6: I'm pretty okay, really.


Posted by: Craig Segall | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:19 PM
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Where's my Auto?


Posted by: Car keys | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:20 PM
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42: I add diversity, having gone to a second tier school.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:21 PM
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I think I'm unique at having gone to U of Michigan. You wouldn't think so, though; they boast having the most alumni of any school.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:22 PM
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I am 99.9% sure that no other graduates of my undergrad institution even read Unfogged, much less comment. Aha!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:24 PM
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I can feel the moment to make a joke about something something tongue-in-cheek something malar keys slipping away, but the joke won't come together. Curse you, joke!


Posted by: Gabardine Bathyscaphe | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:25 PM
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"Curse you, joke!" s/b "Fuck you, clown"


Posted by: Gabardine Bathyscaphe | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:25 PM
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I know of only one other Unfoggetarian from my school. I think.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:31 PM
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34: Ah, Stanley,this is exactly what I did.
My powers of judging a book by its cover remain intact.


Posted by: bend | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:34 PM
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I think I'm unique at having gone to U of Michigan. You wouldn't think so, though; they boast having the most alumni of any school.

I guess we'll see now.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:38 PM
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I think there are only a couple of us hoos on here. Stanley and me. Any others? Matt F? Catherine.


Posted by: Will | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:44 PM
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Blow goo!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:45 PM
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I randomly discovered that there is an infrequent commenter (more frequent than me, but still) who not only went the same school of 1700 people as me, but graduated in the same year, and we had a J-Term class together. His face looks kinda familiar, but we didn't really know each other (it's not unusual that he recognized me by name, I had pink hair and didn't bathe vary often, I sorta stood out when they weren't gettin me mixed up with the other punk rock kid with funny colored hair and a goatee with 6 inches and a 100 lbs. on me).


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:45 PM
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The non-unfogged friend I have in common with k-sky is puzzling indeed.

Craig Segall is just this guy, you know?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:46 PM
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Hey, Craig. Thanks for writing that letter to the editor, and thanks also for being good humored about being discussed here.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:48 PM
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61: they boast having the most alumni of any school.

Including:
Sam Weber
Sarah Cooper
Michael Gold
Nick Carlton
Harold Cooper
Meg Jones
Karen Bowens


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:49 PM
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Megan knows whereof she speaks.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 7:49 PM
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73: But not limited to!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:00 PM
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Who are all those people?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:01 PM
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75: It *would* be pretty awesome, though, if the school with the most alumni had only 7, and all the other schools had had 6 or less students.

Back from my run. I passed a fellow jogger who was wearing an "Economists Do It With Models" t-shirt. I do love the nerdiness of this hip city.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:03 PM
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I had to look them up.

I once had an eerily Big Chill weekend because we have a pretty tight-knit college crew, and one of us really did commit suicide about a year+ after graduation, and so we all went back for the funeral and stayed at another friend's house, and it was a Michigan football weekend, and parallel after parallel. But not just any old parallels, but particularly mood-setting ones.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:05 PM
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a fellow jogger who was wearing an "Economists Do It With Models" t-shirt.

I saw a new one the other day, which was something like "Ensembles Duet in Harmony". It made me chuckle.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:07 PM
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While we were soliciting slogans about historians for our graduate student mugs (which, huh, we never did get made), one option was "historians do it with gloves on." Much more amusing was the winning slogan, "anyone who says history is written by the winners never met a* historian."

*There was huge debate on the grad student list serve about a vs. an.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:12 PM
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My favorite is "Phoneticists Do It with Intensity, Duration, and Frequency."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:13 PM
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78.2 but particularly mood-setting ones.

Did you hear about it through the grapevine?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:13 PM
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82: I don't remember the movie well enough to reply in kind. My close friend called me up to tell me?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:16 PM
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Actually, the way he killed himself is darkly fascinating. (Probably told it here already.) He bought a barbecue grill, went and got a room at a hotel, put a towel under the door, lit the barbecue, and asphixiated himself.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:17 PM
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"Economists Do It With Models"

I had to stare at this for, like, thirty seconds before the other meaning of the word 'models' occurred to me and I got the joke.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:19 PM
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In law school, the group that raised money to fund measly stipends for public interest summer gigs for law students had shirts/mugs/etc. that said "Make Love, Not Law Review".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:20 PM
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Wait, M/tch is a lawyer too? My god. You're everywhere.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:22 PM
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I had to stare at this for, like, thirty seconds before the other meaning of the word 'models' occurred to me and I got the joke.

I had to stare at this, and I'm still not entirely sure which meaning was obvious and which was obscure. But I guess the tall skinny magazine kind was the mystery.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:25 PM
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Not everyone who went to law school is a lawyer. Some of us escaped orbit.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:25 PM
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Not everyone who went to law school is a lawyer

Not all who wander are lost.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:25 PM
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89: Oh, right. But still.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:25 PM
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I'm a recovering lawyer. I take it one day at a time.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:27 PM
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Wait, M/tch is a lawyer too?

I was also in China.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:28 PM
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But I was never a lawyer in China, at least not to my knowledge.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:28 PM
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I'm not not a lawyer, I just don't play one at work.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:33 PM
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Apropos of 15 et seq a FB friend just emailed me and another friend to let me know that both she and bitchphd was friends with both of us. (She doesn't know B.)

I think there was some musing here-abouts over whether FB could establish second-order friend commonalities. In re: someone AWB romped on and then misplaced.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:35 PM
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82, 83: Just a lame-o reference to the use of the song in the opening sequence (where you get a brief glimpse of Kevin Costner).

69 was another Michigan reference, not sure if it is an well-known one (not a lot of relevant Google hits).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:39 PM
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M/tch has been to China, but he's
never been to me.

(girl just got on the bus who looks totally like Anne Hathaway's character at the beginning (i.e., pre-makeover) of _The Princess Diaries_.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:40 PM
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97.1: I understood your lame-o reference, JP.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:41 PM
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Ask her out quick, Otto. You'll have so much more cred if you woo the princess before the makeover.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:46 PM
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Too late! She got off the bus while I was dicking around with my phone. Typical. It's a metaphor for--something.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:49 PM
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Asking her out post-makeover can work in the movies, but this was your opportunity to show her that you aren't interested in her throne, or some fancy ballgown.

No use belaboring the point. If you missed your pre-makeover opportunity, so be it. I suggest you apply yourself to coming up some mighty poetic ways of telling her you value her for herself. You'll need them for the scene right before the kiss and credits.

(You could have done this the easy way, but...)


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:56 PM
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101: iPhone-assisted auto-cockblockery? Well done, man.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:57 PM
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You could try "oh, did you get a makeover? I thought you were beautiful when I first saw you on the N-Judah". Note the time and date and stop, so you sound plausible.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 8:58 PM
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77: That's actually a rather amusing blog by an econ grad student.

Also being an economist, I have the saucy logo displayed on my fridge. I've always thought it reflected well upon the laydeez, but they have not always agreed.


Posted by: pm | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:05 PM
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I think I'm unique at having gone to U of Michigan. You wouldn't think so, though; they boast having the most alumni of any school.

Nope. I went to University of Michigan. This boast is confusing. There are larger universities, are there not? Are U of M alumni abnormally long-lived?


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:13 PM
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You're an economist? You just missed our friend Emerson. You and he will have a lot to talk about when he comes back.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:15 PM
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107: The legends say that He will only return at Unfogged's time of greatest peril.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:19 PM
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(Am I the only one confused about the am/pm thing? I thought read was considering going by those pseuds, but now someone else is? Or someone new? Feel free to e-mail if it's a pseud-sensitive thing. Or just leave me hanging. In the dark. Out to dry.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:23 PM
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There was a semi-lurker who began to comment as "pm" and read said she liked the idea of commenting as "pm" in the afternoon and "am" in the morning, whereupon the real pm said that he was intending to do just that. And he has.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:25 PM
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Thanks, teo. I had missed that last part.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:26 PM
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I asked pm if s/he were ptm, then didn't see the answer. I'm thinking not.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:27 PM
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He is.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:30 PM
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F'reals?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:32 PM
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I think the answer was yes, or at least "probably yes".


Posted by: wispa | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:32 PM
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Shoot. Do you remember where that exchange was?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:34 PM
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Here.


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I think s/he claimed to have forgotten what the previous pseud s/he had used was, and thus started going by "pm", but recalled using "ptm" when someone asked.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:35 PM
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Pwned.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:35 PM
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And indeed, here is the answer in the affirmative.


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107: yes, except I'm the kind that talks about when markets didn't work, and so the fancy economists tend to ignore us

110, 113: yes. sorry to confuse. It does amuse me, but I guess that might not be single most important thing in this world.


Posted by: pm | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:36 PM
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Dude, hey! How was grad school?

Whatever. You don't need me to tell you about Emerson. You were here before me.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:41 PM
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I'm in the middle of it, working on dissertation-y stuff half time and applied-y stuff half time. It's really good, in part because I'm happy with my field and work and in part because I'm happy with my little corner of my institution.


Posted by: pm | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:43 PM
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Still playing Ultimate?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:46 PM
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Off-and-on. I gave up trying to be fast (along with most other hobbies) during the weed-out first year of my grad school program, and have had some minor health issues off-and-on since then. I think I've got all that sorted out, though, and am just starting to work out again. I expect my throws will come back. We'll see about the legs. I do miss it.

You?

Off to bed. It's late out east.


Posted by: pm | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 9:56 PM
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Naw. I don't play anymore. I find my throws are steady when I go out to play catch, though. That's nice.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:05 PM
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Due to the acquaintance with Megan, I'm assuming pm is in Cali somewhere? There are lots of valleys there, right? Accordingly, I move that pm hereto forward be known as "[pm's choice] valley ptm".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:17 PM
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His reference to it being "late out east" suggests that he's probably not in California.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:27 PM
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On the contrary, it suggests that he is definitely in the west, because if he were on the east, it wouldn't be "out east", you see?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:31 PM
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But he's talking to Megan, who is in California, so he may be describing his position in reference to hers.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:31 PM
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Impossible.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:33 PM
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Expand your mind, neb.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:34 PM
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Impossible.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:34 PM
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Stanley FTW.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 10:52 PM
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Also being an economist ...

So are the "freshwater" economists as idiotic and influential as Krugman would have us believe or is he constructing strawmen?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 09- 8-09 11:36 PM
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135: Um, yes?

Lots of economics is like assuming a frictionless plane in freshman physics - it helps you understand what's going on, but it doesn't really generate any useful predictions. The difference is that physicists remember that.

Another way to think of economics is as policy engineering. It's not some voodoo that prescribes best paths from on high; it informs questions like "what is the best way to provide universal health care" or "how can we unleash rich people from the burden of paying taxes"? If one input to your priorities is not really caring about unemployment, then addressing unemployment won't be a part of your model.

That said, those Chicago guys are s-m-r-t, and the Chicago/Boston divide isn't what it once was.


Posted by: am | Link to this comment | 09- 9-09 7:39 AM
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I'm taking some econ classes now, and it's really interesting to see the difference in approach from the one econ class I took in college. That one was basically bog-standard neoclassical theory, with some reference made to things like externalities but the focus definitely on the awesomeness of markets. Here, though, it's all about the usefulness but also the limits of the theory, and there's lots of explicit discussion of distributional issues and such. The focus is more on the public sector, and the "policy engineering" quality of the discipline is very evident.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 9-09 9:28 AM
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