Re: Meet up - San Francisco

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Bummer--will be out of town. Have fun!


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 1:37 PM
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May I be the first to suggest Rosamunde, in the Mission?


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 1:38 PM
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Unfortunately my parents will be in town that weekend and I will probably be busy with them.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 3:14 PM
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I'm in! I may be insane with moving-related concerns, but a drink would probably do me good in that case.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:29 PM
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moving-related concerns

Unrelated to your mom showing up at your door, one hopes.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:34 PM
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x.trapnel, I'm up for wherever, provided I can get there.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:48 PM
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I'd like to counterpropose the Sycamore, also in the mission.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:49 PM
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As a synthesis, I'd like to propose breaking into Tu Lan.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:51 PM
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I won't, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:51 PM
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Unrelated to your mom showing up at your door, one hopes.

A drink would presumably help with that too, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:53 PM
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6: Given that you'll be staying in Union Square (IIRC), basically anywhere in SF is easily accessible.

7: What time are we thinking? I love the Sycamore (mmm, pork belly beignets), but on a Saturday night it'll be absurdly crowded. Mission Bar's always a good fallback.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 4:56 PM
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Won't Rosamunde also be absurdly crowded on a Saturday night?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:01 PM
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You know what bar wasn't absurdly crowded on a Saturday night when I lived in SF eleven years ago? Li Po! Check it out!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:04 PM
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I bet nothing has changed at all!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:04 PM
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I bet nothing has changed at all!

Sorry, the city's now nothing but wall-to-wall Quakers and drive-by shootings.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:11 PM
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12: Mission Bar it is!

13: Nope. Now it's absurdly crowded.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:13 PM
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16.2: yeah I did a bit of googling and as soon as I saw "Anthony Bourdain" and "$9 Mai Tai" realized what the sad truth must be.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:14 PM
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You guys could go get drinks at the Metreon! That place is pretty happening!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:17 PM
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(I was actually astounded the other day when I realized, thanks to [ SOOBC ], that Noc Noc is still open. Hooray, Noc Noc!)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:17 PM
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I don't have any advice on bars, except I love that place on Geary full of Asian gangsters where they give you free shrimp chips, but maybe you all could help me with an OT plea:

I'm making dessert for a Seder next week. I'm thinking maybe flourless chocolate cake? Except, no butter, and no whipped cream. Googling a bit tells me that one could whip up the cold separated fat from coconut milk, but it's not clear to me that that would actually taste good and not be greasy and weird. Have any of you ever done this? Also, is there a good baking margarine I can use instead of butter? Or should I use Crisco? (Hilariously, for fully ten minutes I was like, oh no problem, I'll just use lard. Ha ha, I am a dummy.)


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:24 PM
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Earth Balance is the best vegan butter substitute. (Widely available!)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:28 PM
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Widely available!

But not Kosher for Passover.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:29 PM
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Oh HO! (What's naughty in it?)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:30 PM
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Soy, which is somewhat ambiguous but usually considered verboten, plus there appears to be something or other derived from corn.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:31 PM
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Use schmaltz!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:32 PM
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21 - Yay! Thanks!


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:33 PM
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Most Passover baking relies heavily on eggs, btw. Not sure how compatible that would be with a chocolate cake recipe, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:33 PM
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22-24 - Oh oops.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:34 PM
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Mmm, chocolate, schmaltz and eggs.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:34 PM
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29: Just dump 'em all in a stand mixer and Bob's your uncle!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:35 PM
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Kosher for Passover sounds right the fuck on.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:36 PM
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31: It's pretty paleo in many respects. No bacon, though,


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:37 PM
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24: Apparently fine for sephardim(, you racist.) Although, weirdly, it shows up in a lot of "Kosher for Passover" dessert recipes on sites that should know better. (I actually found someone arguing with a rabbi on whether it was kosher for passover. Rabbi says no!)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:38 PM
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Plus there's actually lots of grain, it's just all in the form of particularly bland and unappetizing crackers.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:38 PM
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33: Yeah, it would be fine for Sephardim, and even lots of Ashkenazim who keep Passover moderately seriously don't exclude it. I guess the question is really how strict jms's friends are about this. Given that they asked her to make a dessert for their seder, maybe not very.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:40 PM
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24. The ingredients list online says it's made from oil pressed from palm fruit, canola, soybean, flax and olive. Except for soybean, is that all okay? And how ambiguous is soybean? The attendees at this dinner aren't actually religious. Also the host specified that people should bring non-kosher wine because it tastes better, which I feel indicates that ambiguities can be exploited.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:40 PM
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Many internet people claim that Earth Balance Buttery Sticks (Baking Sticks? Some sort of Sticks) have that little OU doohickey on them.

Also, lots of internet people recommend coconut oil. I guess you have to get the right kind? Act now!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:41 PM
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Or non Passover wine. I don't actually know the difference.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:41 PM
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I mean really, if these people are trusting me to cook them dessert in my grain- and pig- infested kitchen what can they expect.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:41 PM
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Schmaltz is paleo, I guess. I'm actually hosting a Seder this year though not doing the cooking. I plan on telling the kid who finds the Afikomen that he/she can't eat it, because it causes weakness.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:43 PM
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The ingredients list online says it's made from oil pressed from palm fruit, canola, soybean, flax and olive.

The tub in my sister's fridge also lists "natural flavor" which is "derived from corn"; I'm not sure if all varieties of the stuff include that, and in any case corn is in the same category as soy.

Except for soybean, is that all okay?

Yes.

And how ambiguous is soybean?

See 35.

The attendees at this dinner aren't actually religious. Also the host specified that people should bring non-kosher wine because it tastes better, which I feel indicates that ambiguities can be exploited.

In this case I think you're probably fine, though you might want to check with the host just to make sure.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:45 PM
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There's some pretty damn good kosher wine once you dig a little deeper than Manischevitz. Also apparently kosher ouzo that my friend's libyan jewish father would serve. Made for quite a rollicking seder from what I hear.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:47 PM
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I mean really, if these people are trusting me to cook them dessert in my grain- and pig- infested kitchen what can they expect.

Right, the fact that they asked you suggests strongly that they're not super concerned about maintaining the kashrut of the meal.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:48 PM
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I plan on telling the kid who finds the Afikomen that he/she can't eat it, because it causes weakness.

I'm sure they'll be fine with this as long as you pay the ransom.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:49 PM
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Or non Passover wine. I don't actually know the difference.

You're not alone. The world of kosher wine is among the most complicated and confusing parts of Judaism, and basically no one understands it except people directly involved in the industry. I don't even know offhand what makes a wine kosher for Passover in addition to just regular kosher. I guess they'd have to do a special inspection to make sure no grain falls in the vat or something.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:52 PM
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I was going to suggest Buck's as a possibly quieter place, but it looks like it's closed down.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:53 PM
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I was going to suggest Buck's as a possibly quieter place, but it looks like it's closed down.

In that case it'll definitely be quiet.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:55 PM
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Regular kosher, mevushal, wine has been *boiled,* right? I'm not sure how good that can be.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:56 PM
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48: Right. The boiling means it can be handled by gentiles without becoming non-kosher.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:57 PM
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Damn I wish I knew where to get Kosher for Passover Slivovitz.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 5:59 PM
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49: I will totally do some idolatry with that boiled wine anyway, teo.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:00 PM
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51: No, see, the boiling means it's so shitty it doesn't matter.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:02 PM
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51: also, to be completely honest among most of my friends the intermarriage ship has pretty much sailed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:05 PM
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52: Well you could make mulled wine.


Posted by: Tiny Hermaphrodite. Esq. | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:08 PM
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53: Among my family too. We're not all that religious, though.

That link is pretty interesting. I didn't know regular Manischewitz wasn't considered kosher for Passover because it contains high-fructose corn syrup.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:14 PM
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That right there probably tells you all you need to know about Manischewitz.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:16 PM
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Speaking of meetups, clew, togolosh, Messily? Any of you going to be in town in June for reunions?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:23 PM
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Relevant.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:26 PM
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Also speaking of meetups (and Passover!), I'm in Philadelphia now and will be here for the next week or so. Is there any interest in a meetup? I'm not sure how many regulars live around here, but I know there's at least one.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:39 PM
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Speaking of meetups, if anybody'll be at any breweries in Vermont this weekend, I probably won't recognize you, because how would I?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:41 PM
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I've heard that people tend to be pretty good at recognizing other people by looking at their faces, actually.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:49 PM
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Plus there's actually lots of grain, it's just all in the form of particularly bland and unappetizing crackers.

Which are those? Not matzoh!

I don't see why slivovitz wouldn't be kosher by default.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:50 PM
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Couldn't Slivovitz be unkosher for the same reasons wine could be?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:56 PM
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60: Dude. Where will you be? If you're not planning on going to Hill Farmstead, I have a recommendation for you: go to Hill Farmstead. Also, Three Penny Taproom. Also, Claire's in Hardwick. Do you want to hang out with my mom?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:56 PM
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64: I am going to Hill Farmstead. Also the Alchemist. Not sure past that.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 6:57 PM
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The Alchemist reopened? Yay. I have to run off to a concert at the moment, but if you want some recommendations, email me.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:00 PM
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I guess it's not a pub anymore. But they still make beer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:10 PM
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Ooh, I bet I missed the deadline for my congregation's community seder. Maybe if I call tomorrow morning I can be squeezed in.

I was intermittently responsible for buying kosher wine in college, and observed over time that clerks rarely bothered carding me for those purchases. I'd guess they were right to judge it an unlikely target for illicit underage buyers, really.


Posted by: joyslinger | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:30 PM
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Couldn't Slivovitz be unkosher for the same reasons wine could be?

No.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:38 PM
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That only applies to the fruit of the vine, where "the vine" is a grape vine.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:39 PM
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Torn between two imperfect plans for this weekend, I was briefly and unreasonably tempted to go test Sifu's lurker-recognition abilities, but I've realized that the fifth- or sixth-most serious obstacle to that imaginary plan would be that I would presumably fail the converse test of my Sifu-recognition abilities.


Posted by: joyslinger | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:39 PM
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Huh. Well that's handy. Maybe I can find Slivovitz by Tuesday!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:40 PM
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I guess there may be stricter rules for passover.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:41 PM
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Apparently (according to the internet) some producers actually get the stamp. I suspect that this crowd would be entertained if I brought some stamp or no stamp.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 7:44 PM
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There are some pretty good kosher wines made via the intensive supervision method, and none at all made by boiling. If anyone needs a good brisket recipe, I've been making this one for my Passover seders for years with great success.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 8:28 PM
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60 -- Palm Sunday is totally Bro Day.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 8:37 PM
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I just moved to SF and I have no friends, so obviously I'll be there.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 03-21-13 10:05 PM
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I can't make Saturday the 6th, but I should be able to make Sunday the 7th if it's then.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 12:34 AM
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59, 60: also, anyone fancy a beer in DC tonight? I seem not to be as insanely busy as I thought I would be.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 5:08 AM
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78. You have mail.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 5:29 AM
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79: About when? Where would be convenient?


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 6:22 AM
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80: Got it.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 8:24 AM
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7 or so? I am sort of around and about the world bank.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 8:59 AM
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d'oh, got a dinner later, so was hoping for early. Next time.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 9:07 AM
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I am sort of around and about the world bank.

Now this is making you wish you had responded to my email of a couple weeks ago. It concerned (possibly) this chap.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 9:12 AM
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s/b "making *me* wish"


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 9:13 AM
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Oh, can do earlier if that's easier. Five thirty?

Knecht, don't think I got that one... Sorry for not replying if I did!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 10:35 AM
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Oh, can do earlier if that's easier. Five thirty?

Knecht, don't think I got that one... Sorry for not replying if I did!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 10:35 AM
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Jesus McQueen: Which town? I am indeterminately in Davis, Berkeley, and Seattle through August, then in Seattle with occasional blips of Berkeley.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 11:14 AM
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You know, that town where we went to school, and which is on the way from Berkeley to Seattle.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 11:18 AM
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87: I sent it to triplanetary-at-symbol hotmail. Maybe that account isn't in use anymore?


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 11:21 AM
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Oooh! Where we might naturally meet and have a collegial discussion of books and beer! I had not been planning to, though. I went to one June and I... liked it too much? feel I ought to move on? something.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 11:22 AM
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Huh. No, that one is still in use. Sorry about that...


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 11:48 AM
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Huh. No, that one is still in use. Sorry about that...


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 11:48 AM
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Sorry, ajay, my workday just expanded and my evening thing pulled up a bit too. I'm squeezed out of this one.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 03-22-13 12:57 PM
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Shall we agree to meet somewhere in the Mission, Saturday night?


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 03-23-13 2:36 PM
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Let's.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-23-13 2:41 PM
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How many of us will there be? We can always try the Sycamore and adjourn to Mission Bar if it's too crowded.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 3-13 10:36 PM
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You, me, x., J., Yawnoc … who else?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 3-13 10:48 PM
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Not me, I think. Sorry to miss y'all.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 12:57 AM
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I think I just walked past Standpipe in the Port Authority bus station. Made eye contact, did a double take, but couldn't remember who I thought they were fast enough to say "Hi".

Small world.

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Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 6:45 AM
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Do the frontpager@deggofnu e-mail addresses still work?


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 7:21 AM
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That's an excellent question.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:00 AM
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Mine does, or at least has quite recently.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:06 AM
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Mine is always confusing because it's not clear what to do with the hyphen and I can never remember which version works.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:07 AM
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No hyphen.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:17 AM
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Just because I was in SFO a couple of weeks ago and I shot wlfsn a message.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:22 AM
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106: We'll never know, will we.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:24 AM
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oh, I didn't get it.

I think my email is benw-lfs-n at unfogged (hyphens replaced as you'd guess), but I should probably check.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:25 AM
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I turned down my old mate's invite to some event called "Mr. Marina". Even he qualified it as "the douchiest thing in the douchebag district".


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 8:58 AM
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If it is between 6.30 and 7 Sunday in theory I could come. Where is the current proposed location, and does it have decent beer on tap? Location near or easily accessible to Upper Market would be fantastic.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 2:15 PM
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Current proposed location is the Sycamore, on Mission between 17th and 18th. (So, yes, easily accessible to upper Market.) They do have decent beer on tap.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 2:43 PM
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I do think that winning "Mr. Marina" could be a nice first step for Trapnel's quest to marry into money. Or Nosflow, I'm not judging!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 2:49 PM
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Trapnel's quest to marry into Nosflow?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 2:50 PM
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hyphens replaced as you'd guess

I know "/" always gets replaced with "ai-tai-chi-chi-b", but if we have to replace hyphens too, does it go on recursively?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 2:54 PM
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Guys, Mr. Marina looks totally great. It's too late to join in 2013 as a contestant, but I totally want to see a Nosflow/Trapnel showdown in 2014:

http://sfist.com/2013/01/04/behold_your_finalists_in_the_2013_m.php#photo-1


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 3:08 PM
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111, 112: However, Saturday is not Sunday.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 3:10 PM
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117: So it isn't.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 3:28 PM
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Mmmmm, Almanac and Triple Voodoo, but Saturday may not work. Oh well, have fun all you crazy unfoggedtarians. Perhaps the next SF meet up will coincide better with child's rehearsal schedule.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 3:31 PM
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116: I think I even have the same cheap H&M blazer that Schmitt appears to be rocking in that picture, though I do not have his abs. Maybe by next year!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 3:49 PM
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So, Sycamore on Saturday around seven?

(I've been crazy-busy at this conference, but have been checking messages at the other place).


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 5:10 PM
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OK.


Posted by: X.Trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 9:43 PM
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OK.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 9:48 PM
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OK.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 4-13 10:08 PM
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Only 4 of us? C'mon, Mineshaft!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 5-13 11:03 PM
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But what four!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 5-13 11:28 PM
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I'm in.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 4:34 PM
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Woooo Yawnoc! More, more!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 4:39 PM
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No, Yawnoc, you have to say "OK."


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 4:42 PM
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You guys definitely need to liveblog the process of wandering all the hell over the mission trying to find someplace that's not packed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 4:46 PM
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Forget it. I'll never fit in.

Will nosflow be wearing a pink carnation or something like that?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 4:59 PM
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Look for the awkward people.

Oh, fine, I'll wear my "Deutsche Bundesbank" t-shirt.


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:06 PM
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You'll recognize trapnel from the pro-RIAA billboards.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:09 PM
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You will know us by the trail of dead.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:39 PM
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Oh yeah, and 130: I guarantee you that at 7 Mission Bar will not be packed.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:40 PM
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But we're meeting at Sycamore.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:41 PM
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Right, but Mission Bar makes for a good fallback. Which reminds me: I'm about to head over to the bar.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:45 PM
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And soon!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:45 PM
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138 to 134.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:45 PM
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Don't forget to liveblog!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:50 PM
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Liveblogging: still haven't left.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:52 PM
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Oh, do liveblog. I sometimes yearn for the fjords fog.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:54 PM
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I'm here, and in line for the bathroom.


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:56 PM
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Fjog.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:56 PM
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Bathroom line liveblogging!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:57 PM
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More liveblogging: listening to Prince. Did I mention I got tickets for one of his shows at the DNA?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 6:57 PM
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That rules, Josh. Now go to the meetup.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:01 PM
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The guy in front of me in line totally left the seat up. Now I'm at the bar but I only know what x. trapnel looks like. I'm the chick in the awesome grey boots, folks.


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:02 PM
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I am also in the bathroom line. I do not see J. Robot.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:02 PM
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Ah, I see. She isn't in line any longer. Well well well.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:03 PM
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Wait J, Robot go back to the bathroom line.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:04 PM
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Crap. Sorry, my mother called with a quick tech-support problem. Be there in 15m tops.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:04 PM
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They'll meet you in the bathroom line, trapnel.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:04 PM
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(She needed help watching the pirate Game of Thrones episode I'd helped her illegally download.)


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:07 PM
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Joined nosflow in line, but let him use restroom solo.


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:07 PM
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In a cab now!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:09 PM
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Tell them to let you off right at the bathroom line, Josh. Hurry!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:10 PM
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I am here, awkwardly trying to guess who to talk to.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:31 PM
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Just head for the bathroom line and it will all work out, Yawnoc.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:33 PM
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That's where I am! Only the bathroom is unoccupied. The jig is up.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:34 PM
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I see boots, but are they awesome?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:34 PM
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Narrow it down for me: front or back?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:35 PM
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Just stay in line for the bathroom and all will be revealed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:36 PM
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I know you're against me, Sifu.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:37 PM
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We are hearing details of trapnel 's Iberian beauty. Says trapnel, "It was a terrible idea."


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:50 PM
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No one plans to have Iberian beauty. Iberian beauty is thrust upon them.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:51 PM
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That's what I call my bathroom line, "Iberian Beauty".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 7:54 PM
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Geez not even teo is liveblogging.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:06 PM
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I was near an Ibernian beauty once. He was wearing beads and only had eyes for my friends.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:07 PM
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yeah, any further displays of babeolliciousness, JR?


Posted by: read | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:09 PM
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There was talk of bikes, the dating sites, then BBSes, then dirty limericks.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:10 PM
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It was all babealicious


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:10 PM
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JR is discoursing on the relations between various academic disciplines.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:11 PM
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BBSs, sweet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:11 PM
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173: what sort of relations?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:12 PM
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Geez not even teo is liveblogging.

I'm reading about igloos.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:17 PM
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I just bought "Albion's Seed". Was that a mistake?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:18 PM
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The book? If so, then no, that wasn't a mistake, though I didn't find it especially convincing when it read it a million years ago. (Man, I'm old.)


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:22 PM
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The book, yes. Did they make a movie?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:22 PM
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Sifu: This bar is not all that crowded. Sorry.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:23 PM
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179: you didn't italicize, so how was I to know?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:24 PM
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175 173: what sort of relations?

Incestuous ones, presumably.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:24 PM
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I almost finished your book, old man.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:25 PM
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Fair point. To 180 and 181. I don't quit know what to do with the existence of a bar in the mission that isn't crowded on Saturday night.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:25 PM
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Not you. The previous you.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:26 PM
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169 I was near an Ibernian beauty once.

Half Iberian, half Hibernian?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:26 PM
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Neither of you wrote a book. Quit fucking me up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:26 PM
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I've never read Albion's Seed; my parents had a copy when I was growing up and it was one of their books that I was always thinking I should read at some point but never did.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:28 PM
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183: and your cholera is gone, right? Or are you the person who left the mean review -- "He uses big words. Like apocryphal." -- at Amazon recently? In which case you seem to be quite choleric.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:29 PM
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I spent several days last week in Colorado working with a reasonably famous author on a magazine story. Lo and behold, it turns out that all* writers, no matter how successful, suffer from the same insecurities and thin skin. Learning this was reassuring and sad in equal measure.

* My sample size contains does not contain multitudes.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:33 PM
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I haven't reviewed it yet. I'm waiting to find out if the park gets built or not.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:33 PM
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I do so wish that unfogged had an edit feature.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:33 PM
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Also, I have to decide about my position on genocide.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:34 PM
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The pro-genocide lobby needs you, Moby.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:35 PM
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Astride it?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:35 PM
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Wide stance.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:37 PM
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There's a forum in WMQ or somewhere where all of Albion's Seed is explained in something like 15 points. I read that.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:37 PM
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186.--Well, from Catalan. Perhaps, I was subconsciously hedging my bets.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:40 PM
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Even Woodrow Wilson himself needed only 14.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 8:46 PM
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nosflow just slapped me.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:01 PM
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This bathroom line is a scene, man.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:01 PM
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200; And for good reason.


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200; And for good reason.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:02 PM
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wait, what? the Iberian beauty wasn't a mistake at all. don't trust the robot!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:08 PM
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oh and Sifu, I must have asked you this already, but were you on Argus?


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:12 PM
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205: yep. I feel like we have discussed this.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:20 PM
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This is some first-rate liveblogging, guys. Keep up the good work.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:21 PM
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Yeah especially keep us apprised of any further violence, or anything to do with the bathroom line.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:22 PM
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Also, your specific plans for satisfying the karaoke requirement.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:24 PM
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194: They seem too clingy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:25 PM
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the karaoke is my next stop. trying to get them to come...


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:29 PM
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Mmm monad libraries...


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:38 PM
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You teases.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:41 PM
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If you do karaoke, know that Unfogged East swears by "Jolene" and "Viva Las Vegas."


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:46 PM
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The igloo article was interesting; it's available here if you're either affiliated with a university or willing to pay Elsevier $40.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 9:54 PM
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Now Josh is in the bathroom line.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:09 PM
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214: Jolene has already been suggested.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:09 PM
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Update! Josh was in the bathroom itself. There was no line.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:17 PM
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There's always a bathroom line. It just sometimes has a length of zero.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:18 PM
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I'm sympathetic to that view, but I'm not sure Josh is.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:24 PM
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J Robot tried to set Nosflow up with a friend. There was much speculation about how good Nosflow was in bed. And then I had to leave to meet my Iberian beauty. With whom I'm now going out for dancing & karaoke. Night, all.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:30 PM
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Oh, and Josh and neB got me totally drunk.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:31 PM
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Huh. Chasing space syntax around got me to a tangy little drink of vituperation.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:37 PM
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Space syntax is cool stuff. Lots of information on it here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:43 PM
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It feels like they could make it clearer if equations were allowed. (Also, that awfully similar stuff is done under entirely different nouns for reserve, migration, subpopulation, predation analysis.)


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 10:57 PM
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Well, they also have a consulting practice, so they don't really want to make it too clear to anyone else.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:03 PM
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Now we're debating the names of the New Kids on the Block.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:13 PM
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I have been looking for space syntax social relations analysis of modern development houses -- the insides of Lennard houses, not the entire developments -- but not finding any.

Kids on the Block, Eyes on the Street, whatever.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:32 PM
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Do it yourself! I think they'll give you at least some of their software for free if you have an academic affiliation.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:42 PM
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I am back at my hotel, having shared my opinions on the three funniest features of the Agency's headquarters, Jimmy Cliff, and the hottest NKOTB (Donnie, of course). Also had an amazing burrito.


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:55 PM
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Home now. Albion's Seed is great and VW is sadly wrong about its convincingness.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:56 PM
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Nobody saw fit to live blog nosflow's shark skin penis?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:57 PM
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I think that was when I nearly spit my drink out.


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 6-13 11:59 PM
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That's no excuse for not liveblogging.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 12:02 AM
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I liked albinons seed too.


Posted by: Lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 1:37 AM
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oh my god. I'd almost forgotten about the shark-scale cock.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 2:03 AM
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231: read more carefully. I was sadly wrong about its unconvincingness twenty-some years ago. Now I'm unconvinced about its unconvincingness. This sort of tendentious misconstrual on your part is why I refuse to see you when I come into San Francisco.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 8:35 AM
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What was the name if the burrito place?


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 3:16 PM
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Just spent too much money on yarn at Artfibers!

Also, does anyone who was there recall the name of the burrito place?


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 3:17 PM
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Whoops.


Posted by: J,Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 3:18 PM
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CancĂșn.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 3:18 PM
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TEDIOUS MENSTRUAL WHAT, EXACTLY, YOUNG MAN?


Posted by: OPINIONATED GRANDMA | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 3:54 PM
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if there is a river
more beautiful than this
bright as the blood
red edge of the moon if
there is a river
more faithful than this
returning each month
to the same delta if there

is a river
braver than this
coming and coming in a surge
of passion, of pain if there is

a river
more ancient than this
daughter of eve
mother of cain and of abel if there is in

the universe such a river if
there is some where water
more powerful than this wild
water

pray that it flows also
through animals
beautiful and faithful and ancient
and female and brave


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238, 239, 241: And if you feel the need for another burrito before you go, you can always go to the Market Street location.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 4:13 PM
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239: Ooh, did you get some of their exotic just-for-you awesome yarns?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 7-13 4:49 PM
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I picked up a few colors of this gorgeous yarn, "Pleiades," as well as the equally beautiful "Zouzou," "Goldrush," and "Houdini."


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