i wish i can listen to it, the radio show if it's streamed online
would you post the station url?
Color me impressed, w-lfs-n, even if I don't understand any of it.
The SNAC that I am familiar with is Sitting Naked At the Computer.
And you have managed to get Unfogged to be the 2nd result for this Google search.
Ben, I suggest your radio show should be an exercise in answering the question "what is music"? No piece should be played unless there is a serious question of whether, or not, it is indeed music. Invite listener opinion. By the end of those 3 hours, much progress will have been made.
And to think, I could do that without giving up on the plan to include Last Exit.
Is it possible to post from AIM?
4' 33": music?
You could play the 20-minute club mix of it.
See the update to the post, Chris. Don't think I didn't see this in the log: "2008/03/24 20:08 -0500 [UnfoggedBot,client] Message data: '\x05\x01\x00\x04\x01\x01\x01\x02\x01\x01\x00$\x00\x00\x00\x00So can you post from this thing?'"
(The answer is no, and it will be ever thus.)
Is it possible to post from AIM?
No. Apart from the technical issues, it was discussed and rejected as an option.
Music: Ligeti, Poème Symphonique for 100 Metronomes.
I forgot that w-lfs-n reads binary.
15: thanks! I've wanted to hear that for a while. And when I saw this in the sidebar, I was temporarily mightily impressed, thinking as I did that it was the same Greg Anderson who purveys a sonic doom as part of Sunn O))).
SNAC (Simple Network Atomic Communication) only slightly felt like a backronym when it was explained at an engineering session when I was at AOL, but that was also in a more generic networking context (not AIM) where SNACs and FLAPs were the order of the day. SNACs are used in a lot of non-AIM ways, but I'm guessing the NDA I had to sign means I can't really say what they are. Generically SNACs solve the same sort of problem XML solves, (like an XML payload, a SNAC is largely self-defining and -describing) but they don't waste as much space describing what data they include. When you move around as much data as AOL does, having an efficient protocol matters.
Sadly, though, FoodGroup was most definitely an intentional pun, even if SNAC wasn't.
it was discussed and rejected as an option.
The Politbureau has spoken. You will now be administratively reassigned to a new sector.
Apart from the technical issues, it was discussed and rejected as an option.
I'm having conceptual issues with an AIM window that talks at me, but doesn't listen. It seems so lifelike, and yet so unreal.
"Political Bureau", or "Politburo", but not "Politbureau".
20: it listens, just not to very many things you say.
it listens, just not to very many things you say.
Well, that's pretty lifelike after all.
Either the bot needs to number the posts, or ogged needs to get serious about enforcing the house style.
It puts its context in its comment, or else it gets the hose again.
Maybe these people shouldn't have comment numbers at all, if they can't handle them properly.
Well, if the use of comment numbers is discouraged henceforth, out of respect for bot-style readers, an announcement will have to be made.
If you outlaw comments numbers, Chris, only outlaws will have comment numbers.
Would a "SELECT COUNT(*) WITH post_id=X AND comment_id
It looks like I got sanitized... the rest was "be too expensive?"
Or maybe it was the angle bracket here in HTML land. "comment_id < Y"
There's a house style? Clearly I haven't been working hard enough on my lurking.
In re comment numbers
w-lfs-n, J. delivered the opinion for a unanimous blog.
It there's an adjectival form of 'comity', don't tell me. I'd rather not know.
If you outlaw comments numbers, Chris, only outlaws will have comment numbers.
On the frontier with the Indians and the bears, comment numbers were all we had to secure our liberty.
There's a house style? Clearly I haven't been working hard enough on my lurking.
It's only observed in the breach.
(Uh, seriously, use of comment numbers is sort of essential. Well, then. Carry on.)
There's a house style?
Yes. (And that's just the one where it got immortalized in a post.)
Boy, kids today. I'm telling you.
You'll note, naturally, that that post doesn't say anything about needing to sign your comments.
I know I'm just an asshat, but consider this one asshat's vote to keep the comment numbers. They're incredibly useful.
use of comment numbers is sort of essential
and then
keep the comment numbers. They're incredibly useful.
What are you people talking about?
"Bayesian Asshat" would be a great pseudonym.
44: *sigh* I clearly shouldn't try to be ironic before establishing enough of a reputation. You'd think I'd have learned that by now. Or at least made more enemies.
What are you people talking about?
Some of us are running privately-written bots on the side, that track comment-threads and rebuild comment->comment links by parsing (among other things) the comment-number references...
For 50, read: Some of us are huge dorks who need to share our code with w-lfs-n.
51: Sexist! Teh code could be shared with Becks too!
Definitely guilty of being a dork. Code'll will certainly be shared when it's ready to be shared.
So this is awesome, but those us for whom access to AIM is blocked at work have a natural question: when does the Yahoo! version come out?
Comment numbers are essential for the continued presence of Kobe, are they not?
Comment numbers are essential for the continued presence of Kobe, are they not?
Kobe's long gone, and comment numbers aren't going anywhere. The dispute, such as it is, is over whether to cite previous comments by number or, as per house style, by quoting.
eb: is it just misguided nostalgia, or is that a better than average piece of bubblegum dance music? (copy-and-pasted from the IM window, damn you w-lfs-n.)
I would not know, as I have not listened to that youtube link. There is no music at my link, which is how I like it.
It seems the house style could be improved with the inclusion of the previous commenter's handle, if any.
LIX: as per house style, by quoting in conjunction with a comment number.
66: Fuck me.
59: as per house style, by quoting in conjunction with a comment number.
Technotronic were involved in my first experiences of dancing with the opposite sex.
The dispute, such as it is, is over whether to cite previous comments by number or, as per house style, by quoting.
Can't we have both? And anyway, confusing the two seems like a category error. Numbers are names, but putting something in italics is like pseudo-quoting.
Technotronic were involved in my first experiences of dancing with the opposite sex.
The first time I slow danced with a girl was to Foreigner's "Waiting for a Girl Like You".
80:
Reformd spelling wil not be compulsery. Whoevver prefers an unreformd (TS) spelling (in wun werd or in his/her hole riting) may continnu to uze it. So if it is desided that we spel "wen" for TS when, if ennybody ses "hwen" s/he can spel "when".
92: You know, I've come to love that video.
80: The first president of Reed championed orthographic reform, so the archives from his term contain a lot of documents in phonetic spelling.
97: I used to force myself to watch the whole thing every time, as punishment for clicking things indiscriminantly, but no longer!
96: "Come to"? Some of us have always loved that video.
The New York Times just discovered it today
Numbers are names, but putting something in italics is like pseudo-quoting.
Putting something in italics is actual quoting. See that above? That's quoted. There are more ways to quote than with quotation marks.
So this is awesome, but those us for whom access to AIM is blocked at work have a natural question: when does the Yahoo! version come out?
I suggest using the google chat AIM gateway.
102: Zomg. What a crappy paper.
I especially love this:
it has become a hugely successful "meme," the Internet's word for an idea repeated across the Web
I suggest using the google chat AIM gateway.
Given that Google Chat is blocked too... that does me no good. (And don't suggest using the web client, either.)
I wish they'd given us a word that "meme" rhymes with. Otherwise I'm going to be walking through my neighborhood tomorrow and hear someone talking about mee-mees on the internets.
106: The sad thing is, that's actually a pretty accurate statement.
107: Do you have a blackberry? Have you tried installing google chat on it?
I'm pretty sure I wrote a college paper version of 102 about lolcats just the other week (on assignment), though I tried to justify it by shifting the topic to 4chan.
There's a console-based client that uses libpurple, called Finch. That plus ssh to your home machine oughta do ya.
(Indeed, you could run full-fledged pidgin with X forwarding.)
Rickrolling isn't a word.
It's not just a word, Ben.
111: Not a BlackBerry, this. And I'm not paying $40 to get an IM client on my phone; I'd much rather complain that the free ice cream is the wrong flavor.
106: Dudes! Did everyone see the latest meme from PZ Myers about trying to see the creationist movie Expelled? Pretty rad.
When something is "the internet's word" for something, does it show up in dictionaries as, like, coined by the internet?
116 is a masterpiece of subtlety.
117: It's technology writing. I'm just happy they got the basic concept right; complaining about the infelicities of their word choice seems... ungrateful somehow.
Are there any entries in the OED in which a word or phrase citation is to an online source?
I am ungrateful. It makes me feel the way I felt eating lunch next to a couple in their 30's discussing, very slowly, "a really fascinating recent film that's called Rushmore. It's a strange title for a movie, and it's sort of a strange movie, I guess, too! Have you heard of it? It's all about a young man who is pretty quirky, and he falls in love with a teacher at his school! But there's also this funny steel tycoon guy..." Nothing he said was inaccurate, but it still sort of made my heart thud unpleasantly.
oh i like this thread
the third flower in the white pot in the 85's haus style link is good to have around house, it brings money fengshuiishly
don't know how it's called in english, we call it 'spoon flower'
I never got around to seeing Rushmore. Also, despite spending so blinking much time on the internet, this is the first I've seen of "rickrolling."
I might have heard the term rickroll for the first time today.* I saw Rushmore years ago and went about forgetting it immediately.
*I actually think I heard it before, but it never made it to my memory.
Jackmormon is even less hip than the New York Times.
But she's exactly as unhip as I am, so she's obviously doing just fine.
OT: I love that the new NY governor has realized he should go ahead and admit any and all "wrong doing", as long as it's not as bad as buying hookers.
New York Gov. David Paterson admitted during a television interview Monday that he used cocaine and marijuana during his early twenties.
this is the first I've seen of "rickrolling."
Me too.
Does that mean you were born 1998, Ben?
ok, me too
hostile
actually the lyrics are tender and both songs sound so similar
I love that the new NY governor has realized he should go ahead and admit any and all "wrong doing", as long as it's not as bad as buying hookers.
I for one welcome our new shame-free society.
I as I currently am came into being in 2003.
I've never seen Rushmore. I had heard of rickrolling before, but I still have only a vague sense of what it is.
135: Me, too! It reminded me of when Sarkozy and Royal parted ways and almost immediately shacked up with their preferred mates. The French press was like "Meh, man bites dog; moving on".
I for one welcome our new shame-free society.
teo has a lot of confessing to do.
I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion, people.
There has been at least one previous instance of rickrolling on this very blog.
So the person I knew would get rickrolling (you've admitted knowledge of Russian memes, AWB) didn't appreciate the joke, and the rest of you just learned of it.
EPIC FAIL ?
teo has a lot of confessing to do.
Nah, there's just a bunch of stuff I want to do without having to worry about the consequences.
142: Teh Tragedy of the Internets, I think. Anyone who has encountered a meme is tired of it, and anyone who hasn't yet doesn't get why it's funny. Let's pack up and go home, people.
without having to worry about the consequences
Prison's not so bad, teo.
I was hip between 1998 and 2001.
In Soviet Russia, 2008 hips you.
141: I see that I commented in that thread. I guess I did come across the term rickroll before. I'm pretty sure I never watched the link.
Let's pack up and go home, people.
Most of us already are home. Aren't we?
Prison's not so bad, teo.
I'll take your word for it.
Anyone who has encountered a meme is tired of it
C'est toujours la même chose.
EPIC FAIL ?
I laughed. I figured it was the only time you'd manage to get away with it without getting yelled at (too much), which seemed pretty clever on your part.
"Let's go home."
"We are home."
"That was fast."
I laughed too. I just wanted to give you shit, Destroyer.
the first I've seen of "rickrolling."
Hey, have you seen this?
152, 154: Good thing I preview. I was about to start defensively citing my 12,000 character article on lolcats, 4chan, and memetics.
So the person I knew would get rickrolling
I'm hurt!
I'm hurt!
I'm sorry, rfts, but you've never posted anything on her level.
It was a fluke, I swear! I have a cryptologist who feeds me things like links to gryphon dildos and Russian internet memes. I usually assume it's all old hat to you guys.
Here's a cute video of a live preved medveding (watch to the end).
So that's a mistransliteration of привет?
Apparently, yes. I'm going to take this thread to 164 all by myself.
106: Rickrolling isn't a word.
What are you, some sort of prescriptivist?
Comparative memes. The half-life of "All your base" is surprisingly long.
"Rickrolling" is a word. Rickrolling is a practice.
Funny cat pictures: still more popular than Rick Astley.
"Little bitch" is two words. Being a little bitch is a lifetime project.
"Rickrolling" is a word. Rickrolling is a practice.
Little bitchBen, I am immune to this kind of pettifoggery, having built up complete resistance via prolonged exposure over the past 13 years.
Funny cat pictures: still more popular than Rick Astley.
Never gonna give you up: now as far away in time from us as Sergeant Pepper's was when Rick rolled up the charts.
Holy shit, is that true?
Wow. 'Cause I *remember* that song. I think I bought the album and everything.
And "Together Forever." I remember Astley 1.0 well.
Holy shit, is that true?
Yes it is. In the U.S.., it was twenty years ago today the other week.
The saddest thing about it was that Astley was all of 19-21 when he had his big horrible hits. In the bloom of youth, vague and bland professions of caring romantic love were all he could manage. What about fucking and burning shit down, Rick Astley? At 20, isn't that what you should be thinking about?
the third flower in the white pot in the 85's haus style link is good to have around house, it brings money fengshuiishly
That looks like a jade plant, and my Serbian neighbor said that Serbs call it a money plant, and that if you take care of it it will attract money. So if they believe that in both Serbia and Mongolia, it must be true. I think I'll go repot my mine.
Sergeant Pepper was 1967, yo.
Astley hit the bigtime in the UK in 1987, yo.
Someone has made a nice animated icon.
Fair enough. I should have paid more attention to "in the U.S." in 176.
175: That video makes me wonder how he got a record deal. A late-20s baritone dressed in suits singing pop songs? Is he in the record industry's attempt to make crooners into pop stars? Connick didn't really work as a pop star, either.
183: Well, it works for R&B singers.
Astley hit the bigtime in the UK in 1987, yo.
Oh, dude was 20-21. I guess he looks old because of the Saved By The Bell Effect.
It's even harder to fathom when he dropped the dancy thing and grew his hair out and changed his producer.
(The dance-face at 2:40 in the video linked in 186 is perfect.)
Strange that Rickrolling has come to the community's attention just now.
Anyway thanks for resurrecting the bot, Ben -- I'm glad to see the idea clinging to life, and if I can get an IM client working on my phone it really will be pretty useful. Also, FWIW, if you ever end up having to write another incarnation let me strongly suggest you do it with Jabber instead of AIM. Since writing the first incarnation of the bot I've found it's much, MUCH nicer to work with (this Ruby gem in particular makes writing a bot a breeze, although I know that's not your style).
I am pleased that somehow this Astley person never intruded on my consciousness even at the height of his fame. I am also pleased by the adverb "fengshuiishly."
I wouldn't mind learning some Ruby, actually.
Astley was a vehicle for the Stock/Aiken/Waterman machine. It was entirely his voice, not his look or charisma or anything, that got him a chance. And he never had any major songs that weren't S/A/W songs.
188: Astley's first band was called "FBI." COINCIDENCE?
186: clear evidence that the 1980s ruined cross-stick drum beats and slap bass forever.
Also: he looks like the bassist for a metal band. Sucks to be typecasted, but go with what works.
It was entirely his voice, not his look or charisma or anything, that got him a chance.
Because I am old, I remember there was some controversy about whether Rick's voice belonged to someone else. The popular theory at the time was that he got his break because of his look, and the voice was some anonymous black session singer, because no way could some weedy ginger guy have a voice like that.
190: Good! So far it's an extremely pleasant language, and I've seen evidence that it's an elegant one, too (although I'm still too much of a novice to pull of anything like that myself).
I don't know if you've looked into learning it at all, but by far the two most interesting resources are this in-browser interactive console tutorial (good as a basic intro) and this surrealist narrative about space travel (available as a free PDF). Both are by the same guy, who's kind of amazing. He also wrote Shoes. Oh, AND the hpricot gem. Seriously, Ben: hpricot. It's built into the mechanize gem; together they make online ballot-box stuffing easier than ever.
Yeah, but surely if you're going to cast someone as Rick Astley's voice, and you could choose anyone, you'd pick someone other than Rick Astley.
Yeah, but surely if you're going to cast someone as Rick Astley's voice, and you could choose anyone, you'd pick someone other than Rick Astley.
Clearly the sensibility of the mid-80s UK mainstream is beyond your grasp.
hpricot. It's built into the mechanize gem; together they make online ballot-box stuffing easier than ever.
You certainly know how to get my attention.
I wouldn't mind learning some Ruby, actually.
TRAITOR.
cross-stick drum beats
This is at least the second time you've mentioned cross-stick drumming, Stanley. What's distinctive about it?
FUCK. How did I not notice that was 200?
This is at least the second time you've mentioned cross-stick drumming, Stanley. What's distinctive about it?
It's when you turn a stick over and place the stick's point near a rim and strike the opposing rim. It's a distinctive sound, a kind of "clock" sound. Here is a rather instructive bit about its use in jazz (where it's not overdone, usually). Radiohead's "High and Dry" is a good example of using it with class, in my view. But, in general, it's over-used.
Why is Conan lip-synching Billy Ocean ?
Oh, okay, now I know exactly what you mean. (I thought it meant drumming with arms crossed -- i.e., hitting a hi-hat to your left with your right stick -- and I was confused about what would sound distinctive about it.) Thanks!
203 - now I know what today's musical accompaniment will be.
Had never heard of rickrolling or FTW. Unfogged is so damn *educational*.
I held this one back until our UK commenters came on line: Howe style
And for our Dutch and Flemish friends, Huis Tijl.
Good God, someone stop me before I comment again!
50: you actually did that? I thought we were joking.
Last time the bot was running, I crashed it by sending it a message consisting of just a space (' '). Just now, I did it again. Sorry.
208: Right now, it's just a personal aide for reading long comment-threads. It picks up italic-quoting and comment-numbers, and lets you navigate by those instead of the linear ordering of the comments. It also keeps track of authors and tries to identify conversation topics across comments (I've been doing some work with language segmentation on the side), and also it lets you build a notion of a "thread" across posts instead of within a single post itself. It's pretty raw right now, without much of an interface, but if you want a copy when it's a bit more polished, email me at my real address?
Kijk op de kalender voor de komende activiteiten!
This is what you need: BT Web21C SDK. SMS, SIP, call routing, all in a nice pythonic pack.
Last time the bot was running, I crashed it by sending it a message consisting of just a space (' '). Just now, I did it again. Sorry.
That's odd, because I can send it messages consisting of just spaces with no problems arising.
Ah: "2008/03/25 09:40 -0500 [UnfoggedBot,client] Message data: '\x05\x01\x00\x01\x01\
x01\x01\x00\x04\x00\x00\x00\x00'"
Looks as if, on the bot end, nothing was received, and there was a crash experience.
there was a crash experience.
You should get a job with the Department of Defense.
