Too bad all this tearing up just makes people vote for Hillary.
I gave him $5 a while ago and got a message from a matching donor which I promptly ignored. I wonder if there's some kind of dirty trick vulnerability here, though- Hillary gets the names of many donors by having a team make lots of small contributiions, then messes with Obama's base, maybe use negative ads or over-robocall like Republicans did in 2006. Campaigns usually hide their donor lists pretty carefully.
If any of you send me some money, I'll match it USING MY OWN PERSONAL FUNDS (that's a measure of my commitment, see) and send you increasingly drunken and obscene text messages as I utilize your contribution through the night.
So are you sayiong you didn't even get a bumper sticker?
That's cheap, man.
"it really inspired a warm fuzzy bringing-people-together kind of a feeling."
Don't be led astray by hippie nonsense, Vince, stay punk.
"Dear American Prospect,
"I never thought it would happen to me, but after I donated to the Obama campaign, I received an e-mail from a voluptuous professor of women's and gender studies -- a PhDD, if you will...."
Someone used this idea in the 2006 campaign -- I think the DNC or the DCCC. I remember getting a brief email from some guy in California. No adverse aftereffects, though I was already on every Democratic mailing list in the world.
I don't think they would need to worry about people using this to harvest donor names. You can can edit your name as displayed to the other person. My match person used first name and last initial -- I bet most people edit it in some way.
And donations are public record and can be harvested anyway.
And you're all cold cynical bastards, BTW.
Thanks to your donation, we'll finally be able to solve the Social Security crisis once and for all.
Isn't it only big donors (>$250) that are public record? The whole point of the online fundraising is lots of little donors.
Anyway, I'm not letting this Obama guy take away my cynicism, it's all I have left.
11 -- Is it? I thought I remembered seeing myself in the record and I've never given $250 in one shot. Then again, I'm sure I gave more than $250 to Kerry in 2004 over the course of the campaign but I did it in $50 or $100 chunks.
Now, if they could combine this with some real matchmaking, it would be pure gold. Sure the sweet note from another donor inspired warm, fuzzy feelings. But imagine the feeling that would have been inspired if your donation had been followed by dinner with a clever, six foot something stud with chiseled pecs.
if your donation had been followed by dinner with a clever, six foot something stud with chiseled pecs
Trouble is, they all gave to Romney.
followed by dinner with a clever, six foot something stud with chiseled pecs
If you give $100 to Edwards, I'll make good on the rest of the deal, Di.
This article is interesting. It's about Obama's failed attempt to unseat Bobby Rush. Some notable parallels to the current race: can we trust you? Or does all this unity and transcendence talk & all the white people/Republicans who think you're so great mean you're not going to fight for us? Your opponent paid his/her dues. Who do you think you are? Obama's tendency to be overly meta-, overly academic is right there too. See also this Salon article on the same campaign.
You could get depressed that he's making all the same mistakes, or figure that he now knows what he has to do next. We'll see.
17: I dunno, Chicago politics in general, and South Side politics especially, are pretty crazy shit that I don't think can be usefully generalized to national or even state elections.
We're talking about a place where an alderman seat was fought for by Jesse Jackson Jr.'s wife and William Beaver's daughter, neither with any other qualifications, and no one seemed to remark to much about how filthy the whole thing was (I think maybe we were all worn out from Todd Stroger's "Hey! My dad's getting better! He'll be the candidate, trust us! Oh, the primaries are over and we won? Well, the stroke was terrible and he's not recovering, guess I have to run in his place!".
I think there's a reason Obama did a lot better once he actually faced a multiracial electorate and avoided the insane machinery and patronage of Chicago political offices.
16: If Edwards wins the primary, you're on.
12- From opensecrets.org donor lookup page:
"This database includes Federal Election Commission records of receipts from all individuals who contribute at least $200 (smaller contributions are not part of the public record)."
Obviously that's per election cycle, you can't get around the reporting by giving $10 per day for 100 days.
15: Huh. I might actually have to consider that.
Becks, you defeatist, you could have given twice as much to Edwards, since he accepted matching funds.
you could have given twice as much to Edwards
I think the donor matching is a good idea and, in fact, I just gave a end of year donation inspired by the promise of matching funds.
I would imagine it feels good for both parties, you get to know that you might have inspired someone else to donate who wouldn't have otherwise, and she gets to know that her donation is being matched.
16: Don't hurt yourself with that chisel, Apo.
16:
Di: followed by dinner with a clever, six foot something stud with chiseled pecs
Apo: If you give $100 to Edwards, I'll make good on the rest of the deal, Di.
Apo, where do you cruise for tall, chiseled, studly guys? I'm sure that your knowledge could be helpful for a lot of people, not just parsimon.
Apo, where do you cruise for tall, chiseled, studly guys?
The Minneapolis airport, just like everybody else.
"Dear American Prospect,
"I never thought it would happen to me, but after I donated to the Obama campaign, I received an e-mail from a voluptuous professor of women's and gender studies -- a PhDD, if you will...."
Come on. Am I the only one who laughed at that?
I couldn't find the stall when I went through, but during and after the Republican convention I think that the Mpls airport should be flooded with Larry Craig icons.
Don't let them get you down, Becks. I had the very same experience and felt years of cynicism melt away.
I keep getting "personal" emails from Barry and Michelle. [Well, OK, "Barack", but really...] I have yet to train AT&T's spam filter to do something with them. [Consigning all political email to the waste bin is something I'd dearly love to do; I am an equal opportunity disliker of poli-spam.] Does anybody actually believe that some bot isn't doing this??
21: You might also try your local Drinking Liberally (sort of a Democrats' happy hour, if you haven't heard of it before), which could well end up serving the same function.
Will, I thought that was funny too.
32: That sounds even better. Online dating sort of creeps me out at a visceral, based on nothing concrete sort of level. (You never know what sort of creeps you're going to find online, right?) But drinking, I have no real inhibitions about that.
On that note, I have a date with my-age girl tonight.
I'm also considering asking out the waitress, who has seriously stepped up the flirting since I last mentioned her here.
You never know what sort of creeps you're going to find online, right?
Actually, I'm pretty familiar with the sort of creeps you find online.
36: Damn, Teo, you are in the groove. Ask her out! What do you have to lose?
37: So you understand my hesitation then?
What do you have to lose?
Nothing, really, I just haven't seen her in a while.
What do you have to lose?
That fruit is not only low-hanging, it's barely clinging to the tree branch by the faintest hint of a stem.
my-age girl
Is that some new slang like "my homegirl"?
Knecht, that fruit fell, fermented, and was eaten by a passing bear who excreted it 1/2 a mile away. It will soon be a tender young sapling.
the faintest hint of a stem
The real source of Teo's dating woes?
Teo, when did you mention these two before? I haven't been following Unfogged super closely in the past few weeks, so I might have missed some of your comments.
Good luck!
I'm also considering asking out the waitress, who has seriously stepped up the flirting since I last mentioned her here.
I'm having trouble understanding the first part. What's to consider?
47 stranger things have happened ...
... ATM
Less flippantly, the issue is really whether I ask her out today or wait until another time.
Ditto to 51. If she is flirting intensively with you and you ignore her (or don't give her the signal she's looking for), eventually she's going to stop. At that point, human psychology being what it is, she's going to start rationalizing why she never wanted to date you anyway. At which point you will have missed the opportunity. Strike while the iron is hot, Friend of God.
At the very very least, you must flirt with her outrageously, lest KR's prediction unfolds.
I have been flirting with her as best I can, precisely in order to forestall such an occurrence. I've been gone for a couple weeks, though, so it's been a while since I saw her last.
Heebie knows all about seizing the carp.
He who hesitates is lost. If you want to avoid ending up as my discipline, asking both of them out is the best plan. Not at the same time.
"disciple".
We regret the error.
Also, human psychology being what it is, the longer you wait the more time you have for nerves to kick in.
Asking my-age girl out is a done deal. The only question is the waitress. I'm pretty sure I will.
56: Ok, you've been away a couple weeks, you come back and she is flirting with you more intensely than before?
Let me translate that for you. If you squint just right you'll see she's waving a big ass sign that says "Teo. Ask me out. Now."
What do you have to lose?
If things go awry, he might not be able to eat comfortably at her place of employment. How much do you like eating there, teo?
asking both of them out is the best plan. Not at the same time.
Unless, of course, everyone is into that kind of thing.
Ok, you've been away a couple weeks, you come back and she is flirting with you more intensely than before?
No. She began flirting with me more intensely than before, then I went away. I haven't seen her since I got back.
Alternatively, if you want to join my cult, think things over for about two weeks and then maybe ask one of them out.
Oddly, most of us learn "On top of old smoky" in first grade, a song designed to warn against this very problem. But the message is often forgotten at crunch time.
If things go awry, he might not be able to eat comfortably at her place of employment. How much do you like eating there, teo?
I like it, but that's not a huge concern. I can just go at times when she's not working there.
No. She began flirting with me more intensely than before, then I went away. I haven't seen her since I got back.
Oh, ok. In that case, tell her as directly as you can that you missed seeing her while you were away. If she reacts well, ask her out then.
Oddly, most of us learn "On top of old smoky" in first grade, a song designed to warn against this very problem.
Sadly, I only learned "On top of spaghetti," a song designed to warn against the problems of wayward meatballs.
70: You've got to be careful with those saucy little rapscallions.
Teo, on what site did my-age girl message you? I've been considering experimenting with dating in this new year and am wondering what online venues are yielding more success for you.
OT: The female marine who was missing/killed:
"Authorities said they didn't consider Lauren a flight risk until Friday, because they had information the pair carried on a "friendly relationship" after she reported the assault to military authorities."
Yea, I am shocked. They didnt believe her when she said she was raped because someone told them that she had been friendly to him. Shocking. I am shocked that they didnt believe her.
Teo, on what site did my-age girl message you?
JustSayHi. It's a very basic site, but it has some interesting features that can facilitate contact.
Okay, I'm going to lunch. I'll report back on how it goes.
I call sloppy seconds on whichever one you end up not wanting, teo.
Kotsko is at risk of becoming my disciple also. At least he has the Desert Fathers tradition to sustain him. St. Anthony and them guys.
81: Teo's in the zone -- he may end up keeping both and finding a few more while he's at it.
83:
Teo plays the nice quiet guy, but he is really a ladiez man.
I don't know. The waitress sounds risky to me, if his contact with her is only qua waitress. They are, after all, paid to flirt with customers.
I'm in love with a waitress at one of the local pubs, for instance, but I don't imagine for a moment that it's reciprocated -- because every customer of a compatible sexual orientation is in love with her.
I don't know. The waitress sounds risky to me
Hush, you. Teo is capable of cockblocking himself without an assist from you, Kotsko.
I am with Knecht. Teo, ask lots of women out. Don't be shy. Go out with lots of women.
Have fun. No pressure.
Kotsko always wants to have a finger in the pie.
A Communist friend of mine married a waitress at a Chinese restaurant once. It turns out that her family remained Communist so for the first time in his life, his politics worked for him. She was a very nice person who treated him very well while she got her hi-tech PhD and then moved into the six-figure salary range, and afterwards too. I have no idea why they split up, or how she endured him so long. He was an extraordinarily hard guy to get along with.
So anyway, if it's a Chinese restaurant, go for it Teo.
So wait -- are you all implicitly saying that my "no waitress" rule of thumb constitutes an auto-cockblock?
86: There seems to be a difference to the extent that Teo is not describing a waitress who is flirting with every customer of a compatible orientation, but seems to be flirting specifically with him. (Have you checked out the Flickr photos from UnfoggedCon? Of course she's flirting with Teo!)
But hell, what would you have to lose by taking a chance on your waitress, too? Ask her out playfully, with just enough plausible deniability built in, and you can even keep patronizing the pub if she says no.
"My" waitress was days away from getting married last time I was in.
I'm sure that even if I removed the waitress auto-cockblock, all the other auto-cockblocks would still keep me a de facto Emersonian.
So wait you're going out with both of them tonight?
I'm in love with a waitress at one of the local pubs
You're in love with one of the bartenders at Jimmy's?
At least he has the Desert Fathers tradition to sustain him. St. Anthony and them guys.
Ah, yes, the "I'm in love with Jesus but He wants to keep it casual" school.
94: "My" waitress was days away from getting married last time I was in.
Well, if she went through with it, I suppose it would probably be tacky to ask her out. Take comfort though -- despite the obvious drawbacks of being an Emersonian, it does have its advantages as well.
95: She said yes.
What I said above about the advantages of being an Emersonian? Totally full of crap. Woo hoo, you rock star! In the zone!
Just remember to finalize your list of dealbreakers ahead of time, and that airhorns beat clipboards.
A haka isn't really celebratory so much as threatening. I can offer something appropriate in a siva afi if you like.
Or maybe a praise singer could be found.
So wait you're going out with both of them tonight?
No, I haven't made specific time/place arrangements with the waitress yet. But I gave her my number and e-mail address.
Oh, man. If I get this job, it'll be more courtroom work (well, 'any' would be more. I can't remember the last time I spoke to a judge.)
Do you think it would be okay if I developed a practise of dancing a quick haka before arguments? Might put me in a stronger position, dominating the courtroom-wise.
oudemia, I don't live in Hyde Park.
109: I was mostly cracking myself up. (I lived in Andersonville when I still lived in Chicago.)
Threatening someone with the possibility of turning into me has proven an effective method. Kotsko's probably out there hitting up the chicks working the fast-food cash registers as we speak.
I just went to the convenience store, but the clerk was (a) a guy and (b) didn't seem to be in the mood.
Threatening someone with the possibility of turning into me has proven an effective method.
Works for me.
Thanks, everyone. We'll see how it goes.
Yay Teo!
Go LB! But I'm a little skeptical about the haka in your part of the world. I do occasionally see ads for positions like Attorney General of Palau, though. Perhaps I should pass them along.
Yay Teo!
Attorney General of Palau would be perfect for LB. Apparently being U.S. Attorney in Guam can get pretty hairy, though.
She said yes.
Did it sound like Bix Biederbecke's cornet?
Fuck yeah, Teo!
Good luck, LB!
Hugs and candy for all!
Again, thanks, all. My date tonight is at 10:30, so I'll be leaving for that in a few minutes.
Okay, I'm leaving now. Wish me luck.
Teo, you bastard, how the hell are you?
Meh, it wasn't so bad. We just don't seem to be very compatible personality-wise. She's extremely normal and conventional, perhaps overly so. Maybe AWB was right.
Onto the waitress, then.
But not on the first date.
No, it's an injection, not a surjection, that's wanted.
Damnit boy, are you turning away women because they're normal?
Onto the waitress, then.
Yep. I sure hope she calls.
Damnit boy, are you turning away women because they're normal?
I guess I am. Gotta draw the line somewhere, dude.
No, it's an injection, not a surjection, that's wanted.
They're not mutually exclusive, youngsters. The onto having been achieved, the into is virtually assured. I wish I didn't have to put so fine a point on it, but I respect local custom.
I also just sent messages to the two 18-year-olds, who I haven't heard from since I left for DC. Not really sure what's going on there.
You might also try your local Drinking Liberally
Highly recommended, Di. That's where M/tch & I met.
No, it's an injection, not a surjection, that's wanted.
They're not mutually exclusive, youngsters.
Duh, everyone knows that bijective girlfriend is the holy grail.
134: Absent something hideously repulsive, I wouldn't write same-age girl off too precipitously. I imagine most people come off slightly more conventional/normal on a first date than they normally are -- first date jitters and the natural inclination to hold a little of your unique weirdness back until you've sized up who you're dealing with. The biggest mistake you can make is jumping to conclusions about someone before you get to know her. (I know nothing about dating, of course -- but I know plenty about mistakes!)
143: I will definitely keep it in mind for whenever I decide to actually get back out there.
I know plenty about mistakes!
I should put that on a business card.
I agree with Di about first date jitters. Don't write her off yet. A couple more dates could be fun.
Highly recommended, Di. That's where M/tch & I met.
Best testimonial for Drinking Liberally EVAR.
M/tch + Kraab are sitting in a tree? Who was at unfogged first?
M/tch + Kraab are sitting in a tree?
K / S S / N G!
Maybe for confidentiality's sake she should be Kr//b.
Still haven't heard from the waitress. Not a good sign.
152: Better yet: Sir Kr /-\ /-\ b
153 is kinda funny if Teo's been at the same restaurant since last night's thread.
Anyone making hay of the Steven Pinker extravaganza in the NYT Mag?
In the celeb feature, I was most tickled to see Shelby Lynne get drunk and teach the reporter the difference between begging and raising the question.
153 is kinda funny if Teo's been at the same restaurant since last night's thread.
Unfortunately, such is not the case.
Anyone making hay of the Steven Pinker extravaganza in the NYT Mag?
Oh lord, what's he on about now?
Who was at unfogged first?
M/tch is very much old school.
Oh lord, what's he on about now?
It's weird, he just broke out into a long oration about his cock. It was an ode, really. Moving, but weird.
It's weird, he just broke out into a long oration about his cock. It was an ode, really. Moving, but weird.
Sounds pretty typical, actually.
I sent a message to my-age girl a little while ago saying that I didn't think it was likely to work out, and she just replied saying that she agreed. So that's all squared away.
Oh lord, what's he on about now?
Haidt, moral modules, morality as an evolutionary fact that precedes rationality. Same thing Timbot got us into last year round September time.
There's a trolley problem!
[Drinking Liberally is] Highly recommended, Di. That's where M/tch & I met..
I, too, met someone there (although it didn't really go beyond the first date), which was why I recommended it.
Teo, I think you don't need to start worrying yet. (It seems fair to say that people don't always start planning out their coming weekends before their current ones are over.) I'd wait until Wednesday or maybe even Friday before concluding that something's wrong. Besides, she was flirting with you, wasn't she? So she must be interested.
I have a coffee date some time this week, if all goes well.
[Drinking Liberally is] Highly recommended, Di. That's where M/tch & I met..
I, too, met someone there (although it didn't really go beyond the first date), which was why I recommended it.
Teo, I think you don't need to start worrying yet. (It seems fair to say that people don't always start planning out their coming weekends before their current ones are over.) I'd wait until Wednesday or maybe even Friday before concluding that something's wrong. Besides, she was flirting with you, wasn't she? So she must be interested.
As for me, I have a coffee date some time this week, if all goes well. We'll see how it turns out.
Teo, I think you don't need to start worrying yet. (It seems fair to say that people don't always start planning out their coming weekends before their current ones are over.) I'd wait until Wednesday or maybe even Friday before concluding that something's wrong. Besides, she was flirting with you, wasn't she? So she must be interested.
Thanks. This is indeed the most likely scenario. I've just been obsessing over this because (a) it's what I do, and (b) I actually asked her out for this past weekend, which may not have been the best move given that this was on Friday, and when she couldn't immediately think of a time that would work for her I gave her my number and told her to let me know. In retrospect I probably could have handled that better.
It's still possible that she was just humoring me and isn't going to call, and that's the possibility that's been worrying me lately, but that would be a very weird thing for her to do given the circumstances and it's really not that likely.
Good luck with your coffee date.